What possibly happened to the missing climbers on K2? Analysis of Sajid Sadpara's recent interview
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Pakistan Explorers' Naveed Bari cross examine the Information provided by Sajid Sadpara of what possibly happened to the missing climbers on K2.
This explainer is a hypothesis of Pakistan Explorer and is based entirely on probability derived from the information provided by Sajid Sadpara in his recent interview.
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Excellent analysis without any sensationalism. very logical.
I can’t imagine them having the energy to jump the crevasse on their way back. So incredibly sad.
This channel deserves more subscribers, very informative and authentic.
Agree!!
I am Chilean and a expedition of rescuers sent by the 3 families just found out the 3 bodies last week... I dont know exactly the place that were but, there was a video on social media showing all the efforts that were making to bringing down.. May rest in peace
another logical summerized reporting and anlysis, great work, I think now only time will reveal if they aren't burried under snow
Having followed the attempt on K2 on social media, I was saddened by the loss of these mountain heroes. I listened to your wonderful narration with great interest. May they rest in peace. Greetings from India.
There's no greater testament to how challenging climbing K2 is than the fact that it takes 5 hours to get from the Bottleneck to the Summit, when the distance between to two is only 400 metres. May they RIP.
I'm pretty sure that it is not 400 meters in length or distance. It is 400 meters in height, or altitude, which is significantly harder.
Well that's vertical meters
@@langdonowen161 while being over 8000m up and well into the death zone.
Over 8 foot jump with limited oxygen and heavy gear and being tired.... man I can’t even imagine
Extremely hard to believe that 3 climbers can jump across 2.5 mts cravasse in climbing gear!
At 8,000 meters at that!
Jumping down a level on the way back. They could of taken a risk to jump a wider gap to save time walking sideways (to find narrower crevice). Maybe the high side edge caved in while all 3 were looking at it
you mean unbelievable.
@Eric Rerrud11 According to the video, this crevass was new. This happens sometimes that glaciers crack open as they flow down a mountain.
They summited or were around very late, if the phone call or glitch was recorded at 19h. Descending at night while more winds were forecast....did they get lost in death zone? were they reached by a serac or an avalanche? did they fall in a crevasse? The fact all track was lost of the whole team suggests a freak event happened.
Thanks x your analysis. I guess now we will have to wait that someone could reach the area asap. Otherwise, we pray that summer time will open a gap to rescuers-recoverers could find the bodies and come to find out what really happened that tragic 5th of february. We all wait and hope for good news. Greetings and thanks again.
At that altitude with all the gear jumping across 2.5 m wide crevasse is impossible.
No way they jumped across a 2.5m crevasse at that altitude, they must have found a spot where the opening was more narrow. A 1m jump with gear at latitude would be almost impossible in my mind.
I mean they could have thrown the gear over and then jumped lmao. Still hard but not impossible
@@prhanson Ohh common, don't over do it. 1m is just like a regular wide step. And they also had the "stepness" helping them. I but there must have been an accident. It's very unlikely that all of the three fall into the crack in the process of trying to jump over it...
I agree though to do a 2.5m jump with climping equipment and high altitude geting difficult.
@@prhanson Okay so, 1 m is a big step ... 2.5 is ... very difficult but 1m is doable.
Risky like everything up there, but not the same as jumping 2.5 m ...
@joal incontrol fair enough
At 15:48. There was a fixed rope but not any sort of bridge. They put their safety D rings on this rope, secured anchor on their side, doubled ensured and jumped across. After first person jumped across they double secured the anchor (ice Screw) on other side.
Didn't the fixed rope run from the base of the Bottleneck to the Summit? There was no fixed rope in the area near the crevasse.
So sad,3 climbers dead,RIP,thanks, greetings from México City 🇲🇽👍🌈
Best analysis so far..so logical.....deserve many views
Thank you your explanation was very welcoming ....very very sad😪😪😪😪😪love from South Africa
Information dounds so authentic. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you so much for a very good analysis.
Can someone clarify: you’re saying the crevasse was near C3, but the photos that mark the approx location of the crevasse appear to be of C4?
Also, another unanswered question is: did they make it to the summit? Apparently, it was agreed they would make a call from the summit to confirm their achievement, but they did not call. If we assume that their phone was working (based on the call that was made from John Snorri’s phone at 7:17 pm), one hypothesis arises that they, for some reason, were unable to make the summit and had turned back - and ultimately met an accident near the crevasse which is when they used the phone to try to call for help.
Would be glad if someone could share their thoughts.
The Crevasse is reported to be somewhere between C3 (7600) and C4 (8000). Exact loc can only be pointed by the ones who saw it themselves however we think it must be right at the beginning of the shoulder i.e. when the altitude flattens and the long snow field gets visible. As for the Sat phone we think that all their gadgets including Sat Phone and Tracker (which can send sms) were dead long before they reached the summit (i.e. if they reached the summit) but during the accident they tried to turn on the phone (sometimes warming up batteries can give enough strength to make call or send an sms) which resulted in the system glitch. Again, these are all assumptions.
@@PakistanexplorerTM thank you so much. Sensible analysis. Nobody is giving this kind of insight on other channels. May Allah bless the souls of the departed climbers, specially our brother Ali Sadpara.
@@PakistanexplorerTM Did they ever mention if there was an agreed upon cut-off time?
They were probably too tired and out of time after reaching the summit in their way back, and didn`t consider going around the crevasse, so they tied themselves in case one of them failed to jump it in the attempt, and the other two could hold, and there, something might have gone wrongly.
it is not even clear if they summited at all. And jump 2.5m exhausted, in the death zone, with backpack....sure....
@@MasterFeidn If by summer they can't be found under there, then you were right
Thank you for your insight - greetings from the UK 🇬🇧
Rest and peace to this a maising hero. God bless your family 🇺🇸
a hero for what? trying to go where youre not supposed to , just to prove a pointless intention?
Thank you so much .after missing the team very first time customize information .
Now I know why K2 is called the savage and the king of all mountains 🏔 by the international experience mountaineers. More people have been to space then the Summit of K2 😮.
Climbing this mountain without supplemental oxygen in winter with a super tight weather window. Then getting in trouble and wasting a precious spare bottle meant for someone else? Jumping over crevasses? If this is the case then I ask, should we really be supporting this guy's quest to climb anymore mountains? He's going to get himself or others killed with those kinds of actions/decisions.
I agree with you very very strongly as he’s the second head command and most responsible for the safety of the whole team
Turns out, while down- climbing the traverse 'sherpa style' on the way back , in the dark and in freezing weather, one of the climber's safety line, attached by carabiner to the fixed rope, got stuck on a broken anchor. The climber was unable to climb back up to free the carabiner, and he and his mates froze to death.
I learned that from your other video, well done.
After seeing some other reviews on this accident , your analysis and info is quite relatable. Alas we lost our Hero, that's the loss.
@katlekho umphela You assumed wrong. Sadpara was one of the most famous climbers in Pakistan.
They should make a law that requires each climber to keep a journal of their expedition.
Very Logical Great 👍 Suggestion 👍
Thanks for analysis but all three climbers were fell in crevasse also doesn't make any sense. Secondly, when nepalis told there was a crevasse and they take another route towards cessen then why all other teams didn't follow. But there is one thing that make sense that something happened to them simultaneously that is why no one come back.
maybe the crevasse wasn't there on the way up?
@@danbrown4772 dan cravasse there and ali sadpara son told they jump from it. According to him, something may have happened during descend. He reported after evening, the winds were quite strong and may be they trapped under strong wind conditions. Gods knows the best.
Great and extensive video.
What were the winds like? I recall hearing a theory that Alison Hargreaves team got blown right off the traverse by strong winds.
the winds were around 30kmph but reached 60kmph by 1800hrs
I also think before that they may be in a crevice but no one actually searched for them in the crevice..
Jumping over a 8 ft wide crevasse at 7800mtrs after a summit attempt indicate they were not thinking properly which happens due to oxygen lack. They had run out of oxygen.when the tragedy struck.
Being as none of them returned it's my guess they were swept to their deaths at the treverse, huge blocks of ice regularly break off from the overhanging cerac,
Sadly it's unlikely their remains will ever be found
RIP 🙏
thank you......the one thing that would be good is to give us a date,so we might have a timeline of when this happen.
we will mention the date as soon as we have a confirmation.
There needs to be improved communication on the most dangerous mountain in the world..rip all three.
Like what? Install communication towers?
Most hickers use satellite phones. And that is the only possible way to communicate.. for your info, Thuraya is a sattellite phone company..
Yes so that iphone toting tourists can go there make a selfies. TF
If possible, plz interview or at least share the main mountaineers of Pakistan with their so far achievements and also the retired ones.
Do you mean Nanga Parbat?
I have some confusion that I hope someone can shed some light on. If the Nepalis shared info with the Sadpara/Snorri team at base camp about the crevasse would they not have also shared info at the time about using the Cesen route to go around it? If info was shared then why would Snorri team then try to jump across the crevasse. This makes no sense to me. If someone told me there is a giant crevasse and we could not cross it then I think the 1st question you would ask is how did you get around it. So my question is did they also share info regarding the Cesen work around?
John Snorri and his team came to know of the Nepali summit push only when Sajid went up to deposit gear in Camp-2. with this level of communication or absence of it shows they did not have the complete info even after the Nepali summit success. There is also a strong possibility that John and his team knew about the crevasse and possible detour to cross it but they were in a rush as the weather window was very small and they were already late
@@PakistanexplorerTM Thank you for replying. Do you have any information on whom is planning to search for them once K2 summer season begins? Thank you again.
@@Trish.Norman Sajid along with his fellow climbers have already announced the search for the missing climbers along with the cleanup campaign to remove old ropes from the mountain. We are not sure but a few climbers from winter expedition have already signed up to participate
The subject matter is kind of sad, but the analysis is brilliant
Thank you for this very clear analysis.
Thanks for the detailed information
Nice analysis,so many ropes wasfixed in the route and just desappeared in some hours????
Hmm, sad accident. But I am a little confused, shouldn't it be easier to jump over the crack if you go down? They went over the crack on their way up, didn't they? Maybe they overjumped the crack on their way down? Still not plausible, that all three of them didn't make it like that...
Anyway rest in peace brave men!!
Man , That is so crazy for all three , to jump.........
when ppl halucinate on these mts they often do weird things due to sickness such as taking off gear, attacking rescuers etc... if sajid was halucinating, is it possible he attacked and pushed them into the crevesse... watch lincoln hall documentry to get the jist of what i am saying....
@Mikael Funch its a possibility, if they were tied together and one failed the jump (and its been said John Snori was fatigued and emotional to go the course despite all cautions as he had failed once before and then on this trip they had already had one abrupted attempt)... a fall into the crevasse is the only plausible scenario as his satellite phone was also detected for last location to be at ~7800 m which is a touch below where they should have been (meaning crevasse fall)
The Nepali team didn’t mention any crevasse at camp3 only said theres a crevasse before bottleneck they went around it so i don’t know what crevasse he’s taking about.
Wow. Soo..very...nice. bhai...... But. Miss. You.. Ali. Sir... So. Sad.. 🏁🏁💚😓😓
Thank u for ur words.
Thank you
I think they were more tired while descending which made them weaker while jumping crevice.
Btw Sajid waited for the team at the shoulder/C4 area that night so that they would climb down togather so whatever happened must have happened above C4 most probably around the traverse as Sajid was already camped at shoulder/C4 .Why would they bypass Sajids camp on C4 which had the light on and whom they could communicate with as well and go jumping on the crevasse in the dead of night???
They did not establish Camp-4. They attacked the summit from Camp-3 where Sajid waited for them in the night.
Thanks for sharing with us ..just subbed 💙
Is it possible to fell in cravess and still their bodies can be found after 5 months? Don't know whether iam wrong, but seems like they were swept away by avalanche, bcoz their bodies were found far from each other. As per my knowledge team members always move in a queue and connected by ropes.
So how did the Nepal team who summited pass the crevasse?
they took the long route.
They have a built in cheat code. The difference bigger than man bs woman in sport
Looking at pictures of K2 it’s the Serac that would scare me. I honestly believe they should work out a new track to the summit. If they had a 8/9scale earthquake it would all come tumbling down. They killer climbers often. One climber from the storm at Mt Everest in 95 I think it was. He said “ if I knew I was going to lose my hands, feet, nose and have problems I would have NEVER climbed it.” Maybe they need to see a clip from him and others before they start the climb. It’s a traffic hazard now.. RIP to all that succumbed to these mountains 🙏🏻🙏🏻 love from Australia. We have lost many too.
2.5 m would be too far ... there is no way they jump 2.5 m in the snow, in high altitude with climbing gear.
One in five would make that jump, at best
Very interesting.
@ 8:48 that’s the house chimney not bottleneck, thanks for the info tho!
You are correct
Unlikely all 3 went into the crevasse. That close to camp 3 someone would have made it back. I doubt they ever got back to the bottleneck or they would have been found.
you can very well be right. However, the only problem is the Thuraya glitch that remains unexplained. Also by the time they might have reached the crevasse they must be extremely tired and exhausted to make it across
I can't find information, if Juan Pablo spent the night with John, Ali and Sajid and then set off for the summit with them, or perhaps joined them later on, to the summit. The reporter speaks only about Snorri, Ali and Sajid. Did I miss something?
Juan was surely with Ali and John when they started climbing the bottleneck.
Something went really wrong.
I’m looking up at my ceiling in the house as I listen to this story it is 3 metres from floor to ceiling..
it would be impossible to jump 2.5 metres ..unless you had a good run up ..even then it’s a huge gap..
Is the 2.5 metre gap accurate or is it guessed ?
Obviously not accurate, no way they did that. They must have found a spot that was more narrow. Impossible for them to do that at altitude on one of the most dangerous mountains in the world.
@Arbiter of Truth ..in those conditions up k2 ...not at school
@Arbiter of Truth yes yr right .. we weren’t there.. easy to comment from comforts of home
@Arbiter of Truth you're fucking kidding right...I can only assume you are being sarcastic in this statement.
@Arbiter of Truth Yes he is a liar or he was mistaken about the distance. 2.5m is way more than 5ft for one, it is more like 8ft, that is a big difference. These super athletes can barely walk at 8000m let alone run and jump a crevasse. They wouldn't be able to do it with no gear on let alone with all gear on. If they did do that then it seems they got exactly what you would expect, death. Get off the crack pipe dude.
V informative video
Very good points but one q how did the naplaese climbers cross over the cravess ?Did they all jump & all of them survived which they did or they had the ropes or the steel ledge if yes then why wasn't it left there to help other climbers?
If they fell into the crevasse , do you think they were roped together? If so is that something what standard procedure on K2? Thank you 🙏
Generally not roped in that area
its quite possible they were roped in together while crossing the crevasse
@@PakistanexplorerTM : possibly but still extremely unlikely all 3 would get pulled in. If they were roped and came to cross the crevasse they would go one at a time. When one jumps the other two are belaying and prepared to catch a fall if necessary. Seems almost impossible that they would all go in. I don't think they ever got off the upper part of the mountain. We probably will never know.
Yea, jumping 2.5 meters across a crevasse? NO.
Who were the fixed ropes at the Bottleneck set by?
ropes above bottleneck were fixed by the Nepalese team
@@PakistanexplorerTM Were those the only ropes or could they have found and used older ropes?
@@Hojiii there must be old ropes scattered all over but its easy to distinguish new rope from the old ones
@@PakistanexplorerTM Maybe, maybe not.
There have been other climbing accidents due to this mistake.
Hence a climbers unwritten rule to use only ropes set by oneself of their team.
With the kind of tech available today, I don't understand why people climb these mountains with caveman equipment.
Atleast buy a heated fleece jacket to help fight hypothermia in emergency.
Also why why don't climbers take a GPS device or any other type of tracking device.
Here in UK people put GPS colors on theirs pet cats and dogs. These are humans in a very remote place.
Doesn't make sense!
I'm guessing it's more of a battery survivability issue. It is said to be negative 40C to negative 60C when the wind blows up there, I think batteries run out pretty quickly at those temperatures. Nothing survives for long up there.
According to sajid they3 were going to summit k2 'yet they didnt reach on k2 and accident happened.i think.
VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND....HOW ABOUT SUBTITLES
Min 11 : 30 ... why cant they go on the rocks on the left side , in order to avoid the serac. They should create a new route
if you are referring to the formidable 'Weisser Variante' i.e. the rock structures on the left of the bottleneck, it is 1500m of steep rock climbing involving dangerous seracs and overhangs and is purely technical climb. This is almost 80-90 degree climb which is physically excruciating at this altitude if not impossible. A single footstep at this altitude weighs like a ton. Bottleneck is comparatively easier and maneuverable.
@@PakistanexplorerTM Wow... i didnt knew its 1500 m and 90 degrees. thanks for the info.
What happened was, on the descent, without oxygen, basically, exhaustion and no o2 was the nail in the coffin!
it is very sure that they all three have submit the K2 and coming back that they have received this accident.
What a tough job explaning something unknown. Reality difucult what a Challenge represents K2 .
Upthere the worst can always happen, part of the sport.
How come was 0/2 missing and tents?
nice analysis. do you reckon that if this is what happened, so that the accident was on the crevasse they did summit k2 or not? would they had time to go all the way up and almost down to c3?
without any evidence it is hard to ascertain a summit success
They summit k2?y snorri didnt call from k2?no proof.crevess was on the way back.and they jumped the crevess once they can jump again too.
Crevasse was more likely still there on their return but it may be possible that they were too exhausted to make the jump again or maybe one of the climbers met the accident while crossing it.
@@PakistanexplorerTM maybe they thought finding the end of the crevasse was outof possibility, due to the running time. And one of them was too exhausted to dare, or if daring, to make it. If they were corded for security, the one failed pushed the others into the void. Hope not, but that's a possibility. If only one is accidented, one can descend to camp 3 in order to activate the search and rescue, while the other can see what can be done at place. But this did not happen. If they decided to go around to search the end of crevasse and were not able to reach such point, maybe they were forced to vivac somewhere, which it could be a death sentence at that altitude. I don't know. Anything after the info you provided could happened... Thanks!
@@PakistanexplorerTM you just speculating man. You do not even know if they summit. "On their way back" sure... And a 2.5m jump is not easy on 100 % condition let alone exhausted, with backpack and in the death zone...
How sad to here. ❤❤❤
If they were in the crevasse, there would be footprints leading to the point where they disappeared into it. No? You could see where they ran and jumped, at least.
No, the winds are so strong at that altitude in the winter that their footprints would vanish in a matter of hours.
Seriously don’t think they jumped crevasse his analysis is not right no body knows possibly fell off near bottle neck area north side notorious for ice falls hitting climbers and taking them down.
How did the Nepalese team cross the crevasse?
as per records they went far down towards the Cessen route (maybe 100m) to cross it and John Snorri and team thought of jumping across it than wasting time looking for a narrow gap. The weather window was very small as we know
@@PakistanexplorerTM why they didnt fix ropes when jumped , means all four jumped wow and sajid jump again with bad health amazing...as you said 2.5meters means 8.20 foot with wearing dress and crampon and run on ice and jump . sir g hazam nahi ho raha.
Crevasse was 2-2.5 approximate
Is there any way!toknow did they 3 summit K2?we should also think about it.
This could only be ascertained if the bodies of the climbers are ever found.
Someone will find the 3 climbers, a hundred years from now
Morbid thought but likely true
They just found the 3 of them this past week.. I saw a video that was on the news.. The family of Juan Pablo never gave up to try to find his body.. May rest in peace the 3 of rhem
Please stop picking your nose it’s so distracting otherwise good video
How did all 3 fall into the crevice
It is an assumption that they fell in the crevasse and may very well be wrong. As one of the climbers pointed out, sometimes it happens that one of the member gets in trouble and the others risk their lives in saving him only to find out that they are too late to save themselves or even worse the weather worsens (which can be a possibility as it was a white out after 7pm as mentioned by sajid)
@@PakistanexplorerTM sir if going with this theory " that one member gets in trouble and the others risk their live to saving them . its mean its might be happend when they first try to jump and failed and may be two more person get down to save them . only sajid remain safe to fall and realize he cannot pull them alone and he return.
@@reyhanazeem9462 Why don't you just stop it, he said it may be they fell so just shut it down until the search team finds them
Pause video and take care of nasal
Sir. How can you be so sure about that .
well. just asking
We are not.
He just said and I quote : " the POSSIBLE explanation" what has happened.
he was hallucinating how can he even know what crevasses they were jumping off,I don’t think this scenario is right they prob fell off descending winds were picking up rapidly that day and it could be ice fall happened and they fell just like 2008 k2 disaster ice falls of serac
And hits the climbers.
Good report. In the future try to quit touching your face and nose when on camera.
Quit annoying commentary...
@@emu9520 learn to read
I'm the one who has reached K2 summit on Ytube.
Moral of story don't go with the furious type guy like Snorri.
I did it first! 😉
Why does climber doesn't carry gps tracker with them while climbing ?
should be a standard procedure to mtn climbing, u go up, u must be tagged with a tracker...
They were carrying GPS tracker both John and JP but their batteries died from the start of the summit push
one more thing that john snori team got wrong news about weather and in the same time nepali team got the right news and they went up towards camp3 while other teams were stayed at camp2, hence wasting their summit window.
This happens because there are multiple service providers one can choose from in order to get weather window predictions. And The reports of these different services don’t always match as there is an element of probability involved. Some are more accurate than others.
The Nepali team and JS team were not using the same service and were simply following the weather reports as given to them by their respective service.
Algun resumen en español porfavor? 🙏
no hablo Español lo siento mucho!
I wonder if they will ever be found
They just found them the 3 of them this past week.. I am from Chile and it was on national Tv, also I saw a video on social media . Rest in peace
Fascinating info...but distracting watching him stick his thumb in his nose every other minute. Maybe handle that, THEN make the video?!?
2.5m crevasse and they jumped it with that altitude and gearing? That seems impossible. Did I just hear that Sajib was in the bottleneck and he got issued? Told to come down. But then he still could jump the 2.5m crevasse to reach camp 3? How did a struggling climber in altitude can still ump a 2.5m crevasse while halucinating?
That was the only sensible risk that could have been taken at that time. If sajid was not stopped at the bottom of bottleneck he must have risked his life more seriously. Now we know that Ali made the right decision to send sajid back as he is the only one to survive
When and where did the Nepalis pass on information to JS team about the crevasse?
Probably at the Base Camp. As per Sajid Sadpara they had the info about this crevasse
@@PakistanexplorerTM probably is not the word you used in your video. There was no rope fixing at this location and JS Team didn't know about this in advance. Thus your assumption is wrong.
@@tahirriaz6277 The rope fixing is a lie and exactly how Atanas Skatov died the same day when they disappeared, but the climbing company denies a mistake on their part and blames him instead.
@@neonskuller rope fix has been exposed by the contradictions within in the Nepali explanations.
@@tahirriaz6277 Hey. Can you share with us what these contradictions are? Thanks
What's up with ur nose man?
Crevice kills.
the question is who cares !
For 15 minutes you sat and picked your nose ..
They died lmao thats what happened
Fairy tale