A FIRE BREATHING MONSTER...Picture 120 mph, no brakes, wide open throttle, a exhaust choked wolfpack and a strong faith in God to see you through. NOW THAT WAS RACING ! ! !
These were the years when the transition was from the powered bicycle. 61cubic inches = 1000cc. 30.5 cu in or 500cc each cylinder. What a sight it must have been to watch these bikes run around the old tracks. Thanks for the video.
I have been a bike freak all my life. Owned at least 40, 6 presently, as a self employed machinist , I have never hit the big time financially, and if I won a mega million lottery, not that I buy tickets, and have little dreams about aquisitions, , a bike like this would be the first to search for. Lights? REG.,? Ins,? Talk to my lawyer !!!!! In all seriousness, God bless you for keeping this bit of history original and showing it to folks like me. Willy.
What an awesome Machine. Especially because you can see everything operating. Like the Sound, the look, the History of board track races thats bond with it. Wish more young people like me would be interested in such way.
This thing was made for one purpose; to dominate the track. The engine was optimized as much as was possible for the period. Lubrication is total-loss. I would imagine that it was intended for the top end to be rebuilt between races...
@@michaelmcneil4168 Not solder....babbit metal.. soft alloy of tin, antimony, copper, and usually lead..... It's how we made bottom end bearings back in the day. Pour in the metal, let it cool and then hand scrape it in to an exact fit with engineer's blue and a hand scraper. They held up well, especially considering the crap oils of those days (which why castor was popular) and very 'casual' oiling systems.
there isn't a million of these v twin racing bikes and all of them have ported heads to try to vent heat to stop it burning the 8 valves look on the internet if you don't believe me.
This is awesome! Watching the work of this bike's engine I couldn't get rid of thought that it was not just working 4-stroke engine, but a kind of submachine gun firing with bursts. This thought came to my mind during watching these blue and orange flashes visible inside cylinders' cover and appearing at the exit of exhaust pipe, and the shooting sounds ringing out at the same time.
Those "cut outs, relieve the very high exhaust pressure in the ports. Some guys do that to outboard engines, which exhaust underwater and cause a lot of back pressure. It gives significant power increase, but sounds really nasty and ruins the serenity of the lake.
It was because they didn't understand the concept of valve overlap. This was their 'fix'. No-one really did, until Harry Ricardo nutted it out about 10 years later.
Wow. W-O-W. What I don't get is why oil isn't flying out of those holey cylinders and day-um, that flying rear tire is only an inch away from grabbing floor traction and hurtling bike and rider into the far wall.
My Harley has 17 lights including the .title ones like license plate, fender tips etc., plus blue strings under the tanks to light up the chrome. Loud LIGHTS save lives! And I'll bet after this filming, he started wearing ear protection!
@@johnniethepom2905 just saw this comment today! We went and viewed that bike when it was discovered. My dad was building a series of replicas of the 1927 8 valve models at the time. used that bike as a reference for a bunch of small parts we didn't have access too. There are now 2 known examples of that bike - one restored by my dad, and the one found in Australia.
Excellent sir. I had no idea the Pistons were exposed and you can see the skirts. Also I don't understand how the Flames are coming out of the cylinder heads as well as the exhaust. Most informative and well done. Thank you.
It's an Indian 8 valve racing engine, four per cylinder. It's designed this way, One exhaust valve dumps into the pipe the other the head port. Absent the exhaust systems used on more modern motor cycles, an exhaust flame is normal. But then, any engine running directly out of the exhaust ports will have an exhaust flame. Valve timing has nothing to do with it. No leaking valves, no over heated heads, just an old engine running as it was designed to run.
Very cool. nice machine. Love seeing the old ones run. That must have been quite a machine in the day. Kinda like to Moto GP bikes today. Thanks for sharing.
I think that's a 'ported' engine. On many race bikes of the era the cylinder was opened to the air towards the bottom of the stroke. It was supposed to allow rapid expulsion of exhaust gasses but some speculate that it really just gave a crude supercharging effect. Either way ported engines did make big power, as well as big noise. It also made control of the intake charge almost impossible, hence the blip throttle. If I understood what I read correctly anyway...
this is a real man´s bike , not today future shit with esp, abs and electronical Assistent Systems ... future sucks @ ITALY ( im sorry my english is not good )
Awesome , what a find!! Great job getting it together , I cant believe how it sounds...Very Nice, Thanks for sharing..It looks like you have a great shop also..Dave
No tattoos, no airbrushed skulls, but REAL flames! Also, no chrome that the owner is afraid will turn blue. Those classic board track race bikes were meant to be RIDDEN instead of today’s trailer queens with their poser owners.
A couple of possibilities: exhaust valves are leaking or or poorly timed so that they open before burned air-fuel mixture escapes, or intake valves are leaking and mixture is igniting from heat in heads. My best guess; radical valve timing to increase horsepower since spark advance was probably pretty crude. Hence the ports.
Fucking LOVE this! My Grand-dad raced one here in NSW in the 1920s. I'm sure I remember seeing the engine in the early 1960s - or it may have been my father's 8-valve Harley. Fuck, it WAS nearly 60 years ago...
if it ever warms up... it might settle down.I confess I do not understand a combo of exhaust ports and pipes .. the exposed piston skirts are wild... makes you want to walk around it with an oil can.. like a steam locomotive!
@itTAKESaWOLF I'm guessing that either (a) they had a guard over here that protected their legs, or (b) their riding position meant that their legs were out of the way...
I can remember as a kid in the early 1960's there were still some of these old Indians and vintage Harleys set up like this to ride the " Wheel of Death" and I had much respect for those riders in that steel and wooden sphere going balls out.
These old engines are tough, if it did sieze you just let it cool down and start it back up. I rode my '23 Indian hard and over long distances, and the engine was never a concern, the clincher rims on the other hand, they planted a small seed of fear.
As soon as you open a passage to fresh air, you drop sound in the cylinder and immediately create a vacuum. Ever heard of anti reversion Harley port pipes. That's a pro reversion exhaust port job. As the intake valve opens, there is an immediate vacuum, those flaming ports let sound out early while still making exhaust speed out the pipes. I could watch it for hours.
The one whose cost in ancient time was as high as the cost of a house. USD 8000:-- 4 valve open ported , gearbox no cast iron, but brass, tire pressure up to 60 psi. Power output on back wheel tremedously high. Its told 30 HP. Not made for city traffic - only running.
A FIRE BREATHING MONSTER...Picture 120 mph, no brakes, wide open throttle, a exhaust choked wolfpack and a strong faith in God to see you through. NOW THAT WAS RACING ! ! !
These were the years when the transition was from the powered bicycle.
61cubic inches = 1000cc. 30.5 cu in or 500cc each cylinder.
What a sight it must have been to watch these bikes run around the old tracks.
Thanks for the video.
My Grandfather raced one of these in Australia in the 1920s. Love this!
The KING of the track for the era. The baddest of all cycles! The nostalgia that it holds is priceless.
You are one lucky guy!
4 valves per cylinder in 1915 in a motorbike, that's amazing
I have been a bike freak all my life. Owned at least 40, 6 presently, as a self employed machinist , I have never hit the big time financially, and if I won a mega million lottery, not that I buy tickets, and have little dreams about aquisitions, , a bike like this would be the first to search for. Lights? REG.,? Ins,? Talk to my lawyer !!!!! In all seriousness, God bless you for keeping this bit of history original and showing it to folks like me. Willy.
Can you imagine what a set of stones it took to ride this beast? Much respect!
"so where should the exhaust come out?"
" legs are fine "
The fact that it has 8 valves is astonishing in an engineering standpoint. While most modern motorcycles have less.
That old rusty bicycle looks and sounds more brutal than the modern bikes with their 1000cc engines
No u
Me pet animals
Will ride like a bag of shit
No exhaust straight from the head
because it is
Probably the best video I have ever seen of a motorcycle running ever
ive watched this vid at least 5 times over a couple of years and every time l get a big shit eatin grin, love it, thanks for sharin,,
@Shadow Rider Most probably.
OMG mustie 1 after 7 years im your sub hi!!!
4 valve cylinder heads 110 years ago. They knew something about future.
This is not 110 years old. It is 100 years old.
@@AwsomeVids83 nñjuy09
Yes.... Rudge made a 4 valve bronze head for some of their road racing bikes.... Nothing new under the sun...
8 valve....
whats amaizing listen again an antique old gasoline motor , it is incredible , congratulations
Nice to see a boardtracker actually running rather than the museum bikes you see at auctions.
This Sound is my alarm at 6:00 a.m. a Really. Warm up just to start the Day. Thanks for the video. I love old school motorbicycles.
the reasoning behind those exposed exhaust ports is so the rider can make on the fly adjustments to ignition timing and see the change
and what are the holes at the bottom of each cylinder for? .. crankcase venting?
You you are saying those are kind of an EC-You, then?
I'll be over here.
EC-YOU :D
You are being serious ?
Michael Lang I thought they were for cooling the exhaust valves
Awesome in 2019
Can you imagine what the average spectator thought of this in 1915.?
That had to be some experience!
you know you're a manly man when your motorcycle's explosions happen outside of the engine like its no big deal
What an awesome Machine.
Especially because you can see everything operating.
Like the Sound, the look, the History of board track races thats bond with it.
Wish more young people like me would be interested in such way.
This thing was made for one purpose; to dominate the track. The engine was optimized as much as was possible for the period. Lubrication is total-loss. I would imagine that it was intended for the top end to be rebuilt between races...
Especially not having factory matched, machine milled bearings. They used to have to pour their own solder into the journals every so often.
@@michaelmcneil4168 Not solder....babbit metal.. soft alloy of tin, antimony, copper, and usually lead..... It's how we made bottom end bearings back in the day. Pour in the metal, let it cool and then hand scrape it in to an exact fit with engineer's blue and a hand scraper. They held up well, especially considering the crap oils of those days (which why castor was popular) and very 'casual' oiling systems.
I'd like to ride it, but I'm afraid I'd have to save up for a skin graft first.
How do ride it without burning your pants up?
I think he still has some work to do!
nope thats how they were have an flame proof inner leg on your pant leg or stick your leg out like a jonny ten men
luis vermillion If see a million of these old bikes running and none of them had fire coming out of them.
there isn't a million of these v twin racing bikes and all of them have ported heads to try to vent heat to stop it burning the 8 valves look on the internet if you don't believe me.
nope and stupid mods they were the cutting edge for the time
This is awesome! Watching the work of this bike's engine I couldn't get rid of thought that it was not just working 4-stroke engine, but a kind of submachine gun firing with bursts. This thought came to my mind during watching these blue and orange flashes visible inside cylinders' cover and appearing at the exit of exhaust pipe, and the shooting sounds ringing out at the same time.
Those "cut outs, relieve the very high exhaust pressure in the ports. Some guys do that to outboard engines, which exhaust underwater and cause a lot of back pressure. It gives significant power increase, but sounds really nasty and ruins the serenity of the lake.
It was because they didn't understand the concept of valve overlap. This was their 'fix'. No-one really did, until Harry Ricardo nutted it out about 10 years later.
Combustion engines are inherently incompatible with serenity
Wow. W-O-W. What I don't get is why oil isn't flying out of those holey cylinders and day-um, that flying rear tire is only an inch away from grabbing floor traction and hurtling bike and rider into the far wall.
loud pipes save lives,
Or at least gets their attention!
My Harley has 17 lights including the .title ones like license plate, fender tips etc., plus blue strings under the tanks to light up the chrome. Loud LIGHTS save lives!
And I'll bet after this filming, he started wearing ear protection!
OMG MUSTIE 1 8 YEARS AGO!!
Wat en pracht van en motor...zeker all de mooite waard,om hem aan de praat te krijgen!! Thumbs up!!
They thought of everything. Now, you can light your cigar without having to stop to light a match. Brilliant!
I can't stop watching this... thank you.
LMFAO Imaging riding that thing to school. Even a Bugatti would be boring compared to that :D
xXAlmdudlerXx I rode mine to school lol everyone wanted to ride it lol
exposed rocker arms and push rods are beautiful
A real Indian board track racer ... wow. Mind blown. Thanks for posting this.
Clearly THE most badass bicycle around.
My neighbor uses the same engine in his camper generator and runs it all night long.
Bill Bright i bet he doesnt sleep then lol
Bill Bright your neighbor has a $20,000 engine powering his generator.😊
Are you can sleep ?
And that is why I am going today and get my 320w solar panels, 4 of them for my camper van ;) (and batteries so it will have power over the night)
Love the fact these old bits of kit still exist, yet still run!. Nice one!. Nuff said!. 🙂
And 102 years later Harley introduces their "Revolutionary" Milwaukee 8
BAHAHAHA.........
Harley Davidson also had an 8 valve board track bike in that era
Best seller since the Softtail
@@Finnius_fiff , one was found in a shed in Australia a couple of yrs back in poor but almost complete condition and sold in the US for $ 440k .
@@johnniethepom2905 just saw this comment today! We went and viewed that bike when it was discovered. My dad was building a series of replicas of the 1927 8 valve models at the time. used that bike as a reference for a bunch of small parts we didn't have access too. There are now 2 known examples of that bike - one restored by my dad, and the one found in Australia.
I'm obsessed with motorcycles from this era.
was made for hard people
Sheet, EVERYONE was hard back then.
Excellent sir. I had no idea the Pistons were exposed and you can see the skirts. Also I don't understand how the Flames are coming out of the cylinder heads as well as the exhaust. Most informative and well done. Thank you.
Just love it
man i would pay to ride this !!!!!!!!! unbelievable machine well done and thanks for sharing
One of the coolest bikes ever!
I have to hand it to the guys who used to race those things around the track for hours. What real men are made of.
Wooowww. Im impressed. Good filmed,no one in between camera and bike. Perfect shooting. nice sound-details and at last patina. :-)
this is some next level crazy right here
seriously hardass.. from a time when men were men and us boys watched in awe
that engine is FREAKY!!! it'll burn the rider's knees off!!!
Everything about that motor looks so so cool fire coming out of the heads bring it back!
It's an Indian 8 valve racing engine, four per cylinder. It's designed this way, One exhaust valve dumps into the pipe the other the head port. Absent the exhaust systems used on more modern motor cycles, an exhaust flame is normal. But then, any engine running directly out of the exhaust ports will have an exhaust flame. Valve timing has nothing to do with it. No leaking valves, no over heated heads, just an old engine running as it was designed to run.
Man...goosing the throttle on a centry old scooter...can't get much better than that
LOVE THE FLAMES AND THE BEAUTIFUL OPEN STRAIGHT PIPES.....🎶🎵🔥🔥🔥🔥🎵
Very cool. nice machine. Love seeing the old ones run. That must have been quite a machine in the day. Kinda like to Moto GP bikes today. Thanks for sharing.
That engine sounds more badass than a modern Harley. Cool flames coming out too.😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Cool! Must have been nuts on those tracks......
The best thing i've ever heard in my life :)
I think that's a 'ported' engine. On many race bikes of the era the cylinder was opened to the air towards the bottom of the stroke. It was supposed to allow rapid expulsion of exhaust gasses but some speculate that it really just gave a crude supercharging effect. Either way ported engines did make big power, as well as big noise. It also made control of the intake charge almost impossible, hence the blip throttle. If I understood what I read correctly anyway...
Yep, love those blue flames, and as gunbroker100 said it's normal operation for an old beast like this. Thanks for posting.
thats the best thing ive seen on youtube to date
Iron American Dream on RUclips.
Irons what made all those old motorcycles happen.
this is a real man´s bike , not today future shit with esp, abs and electronical Assistent Systems ... future sucks @ ITALY ( im sorry my english is not good )
Doris Moser indian1919
whtas the Price or value of them?
Good enough better than my Italian.
Holy shit!! That bike shoots flames the same way my old 1977 XLCH Sporty 1000 did!
Awesome , what a find!! Great job getting it together , I cant believe how it sounds...Very Nice, Thanks for sharing..It looks like you have a great shop also..Dave
Goh daar zou ik best wel een stukje mee willen rijden! Wat een ervaring lijkt me dat! 999,6cc op een rijwiel vergelijkbaar met een fiets. Wauw!
Sounds Great! Keep that leg clear!!!
very interesting and impressive old rig, and slightly frightening.
If you like this and want to see a superb "new" version,
check out Roger Goldammer`s red board racer, it is the most beautiful bike on earth, imho.
It has an awesome sound when everything is hitting
OH my left leg - well it burnt off while racing !
@SH1974
Do you really think this guy would destroy an engine like that?
Come on! This man is a specialist with these type of engines!
WWI era.. wow they looked bicycles at the time! What a beautiful history piece
No tattoos, no airbrushed skulls, but REAL flames! Also, no chrome that the owner is afraid will turn blue. Those classic board track race bikes were meant to be RIDDEN instead of today’s trailer queens with their poser owners.
that thing is almost 100 years old and sound INSANE
THE BEST... SHOW... I LOVE INDIAN
A couple of possibilities: exhaust valves are leaking or or poorly timed so that they open before burned air-fuel mixture escapes, or intake valves are leaking and mixture is igniting from heat in heads. My best guess; radical valve timing to increase horsepower since spark advance was probably pretty crude. Hence the ports.
Not many 8 valves produced in the first place, now they seem to be popping up everywhere. Why can't I find one in a barn?
This is amazing, I just ran across this today. Thanks for posting this up and please do not touch it (restore) it is perfect!
@caterpillarnut there are holes drilled into the exhaust ports to aid in cooling
Fucking LOVE this! My Grand-dad raced one here in NSW in the 1920s. I'm sure I remember seeing the engine in the early 1960s - or it may have been my father's 8-valve Harley. Fuck, it WAS nearly 60 years ago...
if it ever warms up... it might settle down.I confess I do not understand a combo of exhaust ports and pipes .. the exposed piston skirts are wild... makes you want to walk around it with an oil can.. like a steam locomotive!
looks like it would start your left leg on fire and it sounds angry and beast-like!!! Love it!
@SuperNick134 It's a board track bike, no brakes, just cut the throttle and coast to a stop :)
@itTAKESaWOLF I'm guessing that either (a) they had a guard over here that protected their legs, or (b) their riding position meant that their legs were out of the way...
That is a savage sounding bike!
4 valves per cylinder, HD's M8 engine just went out recently when Indian had this years and years ago
Como nao gostar de um motor tão especial como este......valeu
What's the idea behind the head side ports, besides sorting the men from the whimps!
A rare thing! Thanks for posting!
Very awesome ! I wonder why the holes are in the head like they are .insted of coming out of the pipes? still awesome
what a raw sound! I like that!
Thanks for posting,,I enjoyed your video of that awesome machine
1:42, EAT YOUR HEART OUT ELECTRIC VEHICLES...!!!
I can remember as a kid in the early 1960's there were still some of these old Indians and vintage Harleys set up like this to ride the " Wheel of Death" and I had much respect for those riders in that steel and wooden sphere going balls out.
These old engines are tough, if it did sieze you just let it cool down and start it back up.
I rode my '23 Indian hard and over long distances, and the engine was never a concern, the clincher rims on the other hand, they planted a small seed of fear.
As soon as you open a passage to fresh air, you drop sound in the cylinder and immediately create a vacuum. Ever heard of anti reversion Harley port pipes. That's a pro reversion exhaust port job. As the intake valve opens, there is an immediate vacuum, those flaming ports let sound out early while still making exhaust speed out the pipes. I could watch it for hours.
This bike is endorsed by senator larry craig. You have to have a wide stance while you use it.
What a beast!!
This thing is a rat rod bike!
Ha Ha Ha what a Beast,fire breathing dragon strapped to a bicycle.F....., Awesome.I,m still building my 741.. cheers from Down Under
que imprecionante maquina, es una belleza de motocicleta y el sonido es lo increible, no cabe duda que es puro poder americano.
The one whose cost in ancient time was as high as the cost of a house. USD 8000:-- 4 valve open ported , gearbox no cast iron, but brass, tire pressure up to 60 psi. Power output on back wheel tremedously high. Its told 30 HP. Not made for city traffic - only running.
Great engineering for the time, they didn’t know about exhaust design, carbs or even frame design and geometry and still rode close to 100mph