@@rocka07 i drive both and CF Moto is by a mile better bike all around! Much better transmission, brakes, speed, screen ,plastic...i mean i don't have a words to describe how good CF done this bike and how much better is than Honda. Kawasaki is the only one that i would think for a while what to choose... for other i will not think single second.
but what about quality? How many miles did you do? I've got experience with Benelli and Keeway and they're piece of crap. Transmission it's like for 5K miles and after that it falls apart
@@ElCoco1984 I could also say, until you ride a liter bike compared to that 650. But this is not about displacement, it's about the experience and real life application. I live in a place where traffic is notorious, try using a liter bike in that and you're just wasting money. 450cc is more than enough on public roads to be honest.
I’ve heard it’s more stable than most of its class on the highway? What’s your experience? Currently tossing up between the Cf 450, Ninja 500 & CBR 500
I purchased a cfmoto adventura 650 one year ago today,,,,,,,,,AWESOME MOTORCYCLE! Its great on backroads, interstate or my favorite,,,,,,,,the twisting roads in the Ozark mountains! Just a great motorcycle!! The 450 looks great, id like to have one of those also!
@@mariusungureanu3109 yes, still have it, a bit over 5000 miles and still zero problems! I bought the 650 and a harley davidson heritage classic about a month apart, both brand new, i like both but have more fun riding the adventura!!
@@markhancock4775 thank you man. I want to buy a CF MOTO MT 700 and i search info about this brand. I did not see anyone with 50-60 k miles to ask if reability is ok.
The 450ss is just so pretty. I love everything about it, and how cfmoto has stepped into the realm of "acceptable" bikes. Everything I've seen, from every bike in their lineup has been good. The literal ONLY complaint or criticism ive seen is parts!
I think “part” of the issue with parts, is CF MOTO since they merged with KTM, has mostly been in Europe for the last several years. Give them some time. KTM has the supply side and distribution side to push them into the future just fine.
Have been waiting for this bike to show up at our shop, and after setting up, I have to say it's very nice, especially with the price point. This bike doesn't feel cheap at all, really solid, nice runner and good power. I have plenty of my own bikes, but if I had the space I'd consider this as well as the 800 Ibex, which really surprised me with how good it is. I'm impressed with CF moto's bikes so far, compared to other brands they're actually nicer made, fewer cheap parts and well built. A big surprise to be honest.
yeah put 10k on it and list for sale and see what it is worth if it still runs, half of honda resale with 10k miles. Chinese crap no matter how it looks and feels new it will not last as it is based on old bikes from japan but built with china quality. If that thing lasts 10k miles I will be shocked most chinese bikes I see listed as running are all way under 10k, never seen used one over 10k unless as non runner
@@RT22-pb2pplisten lil man You talking shit about Cfmoto being chinsese junk but let me tell u something some honda parts are from China Some other company's parts are made from China. Cfmoto is more reliable than that polaris JUNK Honda ain't bad it's just TO SLOW😂 think before buying parts for a Honda or another atv and see why it takes so long😂
@@Kingoftheglitch I know but honda dealers and parts are close by nearest cf dealer is 100 miles and you will never see this Chinese built crap used with more than a few thousand miles go look 5 k miles is highest mileage used and still cost as much a s a known bike HONDA Chinese bikes are crap buy one let me know if i=t makes 10k miles before falling apart, buy what you like but the quality is no where near as close. you must be selling them or work for them to get so upset
@@RT22-pb2pp one thing I Absolutely Hate on cfmoto is the acceleration and clutch and the damn whining noise from the CVT BELT. I'll take your word if I reach 5k miles or more and it starts having problem I'll buy A cheap sxs on marketplace preferably a kawaski or some other brand and no I do not work or sell them I work for can am at Performace East I have a cfmoto and haven't had any issues yet
well cf moto is collab brand with ktm engineer .. the engine is good i think but the spare part need to see in the future..the more people buy this the more spare part we get..dont forget after market part for cf moto a bit hard to find
yoour reliability is a great excuse to sell a cheap lcd panel for a high price and your honda only got ordinary front shock and single ABS? a cheaply made honda defines a piece of trash that sells a high price because of honda sticker. poor parts of your honda defines a sugar coated brand with a cheaply made parts for a high profit.
The 450 has looks, tech, engineering like what else can you want in a bike. I'm a hard core Ducati or just about any big brand lover but the 450 is making me fall fast for it
reliability and handling and parts when it breaks, call me silly. no way it is better than ninja 400 and I know they are reliable fast when tuned and can handle racing with out breaking. for same cost, if it was cheaper like some chinese bike may gamble but no way i pass on a known thing like ninja 400 twin for any chinese bike until i see one with 10-20k on it
@@chrispekel5709 cool any issues at all? I just need to see some real bikes go this far. If you gotb40k congrats. I come from the school i like to see a vehicle rack up some miles before i crown it the new class leader. Sounds like you are doing that congrats
I’m on a Cfmoto clx700 sport and I’m loving it … ninja 650s stand no chance I smoke them Every time and I have way more tech on my bike compared to them
Had a good bit of seat time on a '19 CBR 500. Bike was slow and soulless, but man was it sharp. Looks, handling, ergos. It was equally as boring as it was obedient and beautiful. I'll maintain that the 500 with ABS is probably the best beginner bike on the market. That CF is a killer competitor for the performance/price... just haven't ridden one.
For me who used to owned 2014 CBR500 for 5 years I'm 100% agreed with your statement. It's a good commuting bike but like you said "soulless". Currently waiting for my 450SR
I can agree with this 100% started on a 21' CBR 500R and the bike looks phenomenal, has a very moderate riding posture, can be flicked around easily (as far as it goes weighing as much as a 600RR) but the bike is as you said soulless. Don't get me wrong the 70mpg when riding normal and not getting on it is beautiful, but I was always asked if I was going to do an aftermarket exhaust and flash the ECU and get a tail tidy, my response was that yes I loved the bike but why put more money into it when I'm just going to trade up. In the two years I had it I put almost 10k miles on it and never had any issues. It's a great bike but just gutless and won't scratch the itch when you want to crack the throttle.
In all fairness the CBR500 weighs in around 425lb...for a parallel twin. About as much as my CBR600 F4i (435lbs wet). The CF Moto is about 394lbs wet. If this 450 SR came out around the same time as the Ninja 400 here in the US....I would've gotten that instead of the 400 to be honest.
@@xTHEYCALLMExGx The power curves for the CBR and 450SS are fairly different. Theres some funky extra power around 8k RPMs in 4th gear that you'd probably not reach on a short drag like this. Color me surprised that it easily kept up though. Max speeds are clearly another result entirely. (Not that it really matters. Nobody is riding max speed on the streets unless they're one of those idiots who drag race on the highway)
had our NK400 Last year, already pumping 13k miles on it no issue!, we are planning to grab this one because of that aggressive looks, but thanks to Kawi on releasing the Zx4, we are now having a really tough time to decide which to get first!
@@goldwally1428 the ZX4RR is barely more powerful than an Ninja 400, so it's the worst bang for the buck. The 450SR is the better deal, and for the price of an ZX4RR, an Yamaha R6 is an better option.
@@aseryo5457 On normal riding conditions, you'll barely feel the power of the ZX4RR unless you're always on the highway revving it out higher. It makes most of its power higher in the rev range. Unless you plan to take it on the track often or are always riding on the highway, the CFMoto 450SR or even the Ninja 400 makes more sense. On the twisty roads, the CFMoto 450SR and Ninja 400 will definititley smoke the ZX4RR being the first 2 bikes makes more torque down low.
@@RT22-pb2pp all these foreign companies investing and building outta of china, you don't think the Chinese took those skills and used it to build their own machines? it's going to be the exact same quality as the competition if not better and cheaper. the Chinese have so many goddam ppl, and the labor is cheap ass dirt.
The CF Moto are great motorcycle's, I've owned 4 different models over the last 3 years, they are a very reliable motorcycle, the only downside is the resale value, i live in Europe and the general feeling is it Chinese.The other concern is the last CF Moto I brought which was the 700 CLX Sport, the following year the price for a new one was reduced by 250€ ?, this will make you think before you buy.
Hi there, I think what’s happening is the same that happened when first Japanese motorcycles came to America or Europe, those were compared to german, english, italian motorcycles, it’s a question of time
@@diecovers4646 it’s a great motorcycle but when I got hit and trying to order parts apparently they were back up or whatever and that it could take like 6 months or so but other then that it’s great bike
It's great that other brands are bringing their motorcycles into a market historically dominated by Japanese motorcycles. That should bring down prices. That said, I would probably buy the Honda if the price tag were not so ridiculous. The difference in ride quality can be too much (Hondas are refined motorcycles) even though I do not doubt the CF dominated the CBR according to this test.
Yeah, just like how China phone brands did on the smartphone industry especially the XIAOMI. XIAOMI's reputation now has risen! CFMOTO is becoming the Xiaomi of bikes.
Well here's my take. The 450 is track ready bike, lighter and high speed tranny whereas CBR500 is a much heavier cruiser touring sports bike with low speed tranny. the 500r is also just 20cc higher but with heavier parts. he's also not shifting properly throwing all those peak power band. Weight: 450 HP: 450 Torque: 500 Price: 450 Features: 450 Looks: Subjective Overall performance: 450
Damn it, the biggest problem is finding a dealer. Years ago I bought a CF Moto Fasion 250 which is a Honda Helix clone, It was a good scooter reliable, Next thing I know the dealer went out of business, Now I have a scooter that no one will work on and I have been unable to sell so I have a scooter that has been sitting in my shed for years.
I have the cb500x Honda I rode it 3000 miles in the last year lol & I have a full-time truck that I drive for work. That's just a cool bike I can't believe it's smoked the Honda! It has upside down forks, that model CBR does not those look like the same forks that are on my 2019 cb500x obviously tuned differently.
The best part about this is when you compare to the CBR500 or the Ninja 400 the Japanese bikes are absolutely dated when it comes to technology. If I'm correct I think a new ABS CBR500 is over $7000 too which I say is just too much.
Obviously there's a better pilot (smoother clutch and gears usage) and the other one is just heavier on both bikes. You can't tell unless it's the same pilot who tests both with chrono 🤙🏻🤙🏻
The CBR500R is a heavier bike in general, while making the same power as the 450SS… also they swapped pilots and the CFMOTO still started pulling away. The guy who rode the CBR500 first is heavier, mentioned in the video. Yet he still won on the 450 SS… the 450 is definitely a little bit quicker, watch the whole video if you don’t believe me…
CF Moto for sure. Problem is that if you follow whats happening around the world CF moto parts back up and aftersale service is not looking good. Not enough trained mechanics around the world. In some parts like South America peeps are stuck looking at bikes while they wait for parts. But yeah when they run they run gooood and they look mad sexy!!!
@@believeingood5875 The difference between owning an exotic and something mass produced from China is that both are expected to leave you on the side of the road at some point in time but atleast with an exotic you look cool doing so. Owners of Ducati, Aprilia, MV, KTM etc know this and are happy to do so. I know this because I've owned a few and have been associated with race teams and motorsports of every nature for over 30 years.
It's Good To Be The King. Watched a video the other day with a rzr trail on the dino same hp as my trail before the tune. Think the others fib a little in their spec's. Great video y'all 👍👍👍👍👍
I wonder how well CFMOTO will do in Australia with this machine? I did a price comparison with the ninja 400 and there was only about $500 difference. I think a lot of people here still stigmatise Chinese built bikes, but clearly the reviews are starting to really stack up in the positive.
The only thing is one of the riders in this video looks to be about 2-3x the size of the other. These bikes are going to be super sensative to massive weight differences. The big rider was on the cf moto for 5 races. Where the honda is 50 pounds heavier. So now you have the cfmoto actually rider & bike atleast 100#’s heavier. Where 99% of the time the cfmoto rolls up on another bike and its gonna have a better power to weight
Cfmoto is killing it. That 450 motor sounds great. If ypu got any Info on the cfmoto clc450 cruiser that's coming out upload it or let us know man. My wife is wanting that bike, shes a cruiser rider, I think it has rode under the radar because of the sport and naked and adventure bikes from cfmoto.
Wow that spot is eerily similar to the spot where i experienced my first tank slapper doing the same thing. Between my fzr 600r and my wifes uncles concours 900
I guess it is much better to test it if both drivers are on the same weight. Weight actually gives a huge difference regardless of the torque advantage of 450SR to CBR500. Weight should be identical.
@@dariusrat6468 only 1 letter is the difference. SS for American market for some reason, but it's still the SR, same with Ibex 450/800, it's still the 450/800MT
everyday sportsbike vs track ready bike. I'd take the CBR, the engine is bulletproof. As for CFMoto, it need to show good aftersale support and engine reliability for few more years, then it'll become one of main players alongside Japanese players. i just dont want that 'disposable bike' stigma.
I traded in my cf moto 650 adventura and bought the bike in this video. I love it and yes they’re one of the most reliable engines in a lower cc sport bike.
@nadstengco2591 yea.? The better rider didn't have as much of a gap when he lost. The other guy would have a whole bike length or more when he lost. That's all I was talking about. The 450 seems good, just to see if the wife will switch from her 500 to it now. 😆
@@scottneal2738 meh, you were implying he's just plain better like the bike didn't made any difference when he clearly lost using the CBR.. the comparison is with the 2 bikes and not with the 2 riders hence why they switch bikes..
@nadstengco2591 actually in my first comment, I stated he has better experience on shifting gears. Nothing about winning or losing or even of which bike. I'm not going on a rant over this with you. You can think what you want. No one can tell you how to think.
@@scottneal2738 didn't say you said anything about winning or loosing.. it's just that you implied which is like taking away the difference between the bikes..
the guy on the black hood under shifts while the guy in the red and black power shifts that why he gets more leverage on the power of the motorcycle but dang the cf moto out performs the japanese bike, even swapping the 450ss could catch up even when its under shift. maybe has to do with the power to weight ratio of the bike since the cf moto is lighter.
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a uncomfortable clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
@@RealTalkPowersports I'm trying to build a cbr500r track bike and I think the CBR500 can be competitive if we lighten it up. I'm in the process of sourcing race plastics, rearsets, and clip ons. I'm keeping the engine for now. I think it would be nice to see a battle between ninja 400, cf moto, R3, and CBR 500R on track
People keep saying oh cfmoto made in China so quality this and quality that. I have not heard anything about the 450 yet not one issue heard yet. Time to get one before they jack up the price
I think the real issue that they was having is that the dude on the 500 he ain't as good at quick shifting than the other. Cuz even on the 500 he was a little slow on it. That will make a big factor in the race.
I wouldn't consider any manufacturer that doesn't compete at the top in Suzuka 8 hour race. Even bikes like Aprilia or Ducati winning short Mgp races don't matter in long term
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better sound, better performance. I wish CFMoto grow and keep its quality. They are making an awesome job
I agree
And awesome price
No better performance
@@CICO3405 its not what Im hearing about. But I will just know when I test ride it.
@@rocka07 i drive both and CF Moto is by a mile better bike all around! Much better transmission, brakes, speed, screen ,plastic...i mean i don't have a words to describe how good CF done this bike and how much better is than Honda. Kawasaki is the only one that i would think for a while what to choose... for other i will not think single second.
that 270 degree crank is doing its job, sounds awesome too
Yeahh, sounds like MT07, R1 and R7 of Yamaha.
450ss msrp $5,499 and CBR500R msrp $7,299. That's a big difference
Exactly
450sr is sold for $6,250 in Korea
How about the CBR 500 in korea how much then
@@chris_chan6418 In Korea, the price of cbr500r is $6,500, and we are faced with a very unfortunate choice
Türkiye de 179000 türk lirası :)
I have the 450sr for 5 months now and I have no complaints in terms of its power. More than capable on the road.
but what about quality? How many miles did you do? I've got experience with Benelli and Keeway and they're piece of crap. Transmission it's like for 5K miles and after that it falls apart
@@misakisaki2682 I have 5200miles in and everything's working fine. I even recently joined a 434Miles Riders Loop and I have no issues.
@@ElCoco1984 I could also say, until you ride a liter bike compared to that 650. But this is not about displacement, it's about the experience and real life application. I live in a place where traffic is notorious, try using a liter bike in that and you're just wasting money. 450cc is more than enough on public roads to be honest.
I’ve heard it’s more stable than most of its class on the highway? What’s your experience?
Currently tossing up between the Cf 450, Ninja 500 & CBR 500
@@ToddyBaller21 just got a cf Moto 450ss and I’m loving it so far. I’ve had it for 1 week. Have about 600 miles on it. driving it constantly.
I purchased a cfmoto adventura 650 one year ago today,,,,,,,,,AWESOME MOTORCYCLE! Its great on backroads, interstate or my favorite,,,,,,,,the twisting roads in the Ozark mountains! Just a great motorcycle!! The 450 looks great, id like to have one of those also!
Do you still have the 650 from CF MOTO? How is it run and how many miles you got on it? Thank you.
@@mariusungureanu3109 yes, still have it, a bit over 5000 miles and still zero problems! I bought the 650 and a harley davidson heritage classic about a month apart, both brand new, i like both but have more fun riding the adventura!!
@@markhancock4775 thank you man. I want to buy a CF MOTO MT 700 and i search info about this brand. I did not see anyone with 50-60 k miles to ask if reability is ok.
The 450ss is just so pretty. I love everything about it, and how cfmoto has stepped into the realm of "acceptable" bikes. Everything I've seen, from every bike in their lineup has been good. The literal ONLY complaint or criticism ive seen is parts!
I think “part” of the issue with parts, is CF MOTO since they merged with KTM, has mostly been in Europe for the last several years. Give them some time. KTM has the supply side and distribution side to push them into the future just fine.
@@davec8117yeah
Have been waiting for this bike to show up at our shop, and after setting up, I have to say it's very nice, especially with the price point. This bike doesn't feel cheap at all, really solid, nice runner and good power. I have plenty of my own bikes, but if I had the space I'd consider this as well as the 800 Ibex, which really surprised me with how good it is.
I'm impressed with CF moto's bikes so far, compared to other brands they're actually nicer made, fewer cheap parts and well built. A big surprise to be honest.
Embarrassing loss for Honda
@@pigpen65How? The Honda is restricted for A2 license compatibility and has better mpg's
Great comparison! You can't beat that value of the CFMOTO!! Awesome Video!!!!
Thank ya man! I agree
yeah put 10k on it and list for sale and see what it is worth if it still runs, half of honda resale with 10k miles. Chinese crap no matter how it looks and feels new it will not last as it is based on old bikes from japan but built with china quality. If that thing lasts 10k miles I will be shocked most chinese bikes I see listed as running are all way under 10k, never seen used one over 10k unless as non runner
@@RT22-pb2pplisten lil man You talking shit about Cfmoto being chinsese junk but let me tell u something some honda parts are from China Some other company's parts are made from China. Cfmoto is more reliable than that polaris JUNK Honda ain't bad it's just TO SLOW😂 think before buying parts for a Honda or another atv and see why it takes so long😂
@@Kingoftheglitch I know but honda dealers and parts are close by nearest cf dealer is 100 miles and you will never see this Chinese built crap used with more than a few thousand miles go look 5 k miles is highest mileage used and still cost as much a s a known bike HONDA Chinese bikes are crap buy one let me know if i=t makes 10k miles before falling apart, buy what you like but the quality is no where near as close. you must be selling them or work for them to get so upset
@@RT22-pb2pp one thing I Absolutely Hate on cfmoto is the acceleration and clutch and the damn whining noise from the CVT BELT. I'll take your word if I reach 5k miles or more and it starts having problem I'll buy A cheap sxs on marketplace preferably a kawaski or some other brand and no I do not work or sell them I work for can am at Performace East I have a cfmoto and haven't had any issues yet
The real question is reliability, it’s hard to beat decades of Honda’s reputation for reliability
Hard to do, but not impossible... I mean, even japanese bikes got a moment when people said "japanese? no thanks"
well cf moto is collab brand with ktm engineer .. the engine is good i think but the spare part need to see in the future..the more people buy this the more spare part we get..dont forget after market part for cf moto a bit hard to find
even yamaha is partnership with cf moto i see good future in this brand'
yoour reliability is a great excuse to sell a cheap lcd panel for a high price and your honda only got ordinary front shock and single ABS? a cheaply made honda defines a piece of trash that sells a high price because of honda sticker. poor parts of your honda defines a sugar coated brand with a cheaply made parts for a high profit.
@@UNBIASEDCOMMENT exactly
The 450 has looks, tech, engineering like what else can you want in a bike. I'm a hard core Ducati or just about any big brand lover but the 450 is making me fall fast for it
😎💪👍
reliability and handling and parts when it breaks, call me silly. no way it is better than ninja 400 and I know they are reliable fast when tuned and can handle racing with out breaking. for same cost, if it was cheaper like some chinese bike may gamble but no way i pass on a known thing like ninja 400 twin for any chinese bike until i see one with 10-20k on it
@@RT22-pb2pp I've got a 2014 650nk with 40,000 miles on it
@@chrispekel5709 cool any issues at all? I just need to see some real bikes go this far. If you gotb40k congrats. I come from the school i like to see a vehicle rack up some miles before i crown it the new class leader. Sounds like you are doing that congrats
@@rt2255 it's the 650 I don't own one of these 450
I'm very impressed!! CF Moto is holding its own!!!
Man yea!
My 450sr now has 13k+ km odo and still runs great no issues whatsoever!
Plus, the sound it make, even on the stock exhaust, is stunning, feeling that rawr baby!
I'm shopping for a 450ss right now for my wife. Thank you for posting.
MSC has them in stock
Thank you so much! Unfortunately I didn't see this until I'd already bought one.
0:01 bruh I thought Your pointing at a Toy figure of cfmoto 450ss hahahaaha thank goodness im not tripping 😂
😆
Same 😂
I thought the same for a split second, just shows that these bikes were made for our kid dreams 😂👌
I’m on a Cfmoto clx700 sport and I’m loving it … ninja 650s stand no chance I smoke them
Every time and I have way more tech on my bike compared to them
💪🤘👍
Yes I love the Sport!!!!
Using 450ss for daily, it is really good
That is great 💪👍
Had a good bit of seat time on a '19 CBR 500. Bike was slow and soulless, but man was it sharp. Looks, handling, ergos. It was equally as boring as it was obedient and beautiful. I'll maintain that the 500 with ABS is probably the best beginner bike on the market. That CF is a killer competitor for the performance/price... just haven't ridden one.
For me who used to owned 2014 CBR500 for 5 years I'm 100% agreed with your statement. It's a good commuting bike but like you said "soulless". Currently waiting for my 450SR
I can agree with this 100% started on a 21' CBR 500R and the bike looks phenomenal, has a very moderate riding posture, can be flicked around easily (as far as it goes weighing as much as a 600RR) but the bike is as you said soulless. Don't get me wrong the 70mpg when riding normal and not getting on it is beautiful, but I was always asked if I was going to do an aftermarket exhaust and flash the ECU and get a tail tidy, my response was that yes I loved the bike but why put more money into it when I'm just going to trade up. In the two years I had it I put almost 10k miles on it and never had any issues. It's a great bike but just gutless and won't scratch the itch when you want to crack the throttle.
CFMOTO is really starting to surprise me. I didn't think it would have kept up with the Honda.
It did great 👍
In all fairness the CBR500 weighs in around 425lb...for a parallel twin. About as much as my CBR600 F4i (435lbs wet). The CF Moto is about 394lbs wet. If this 450 SR came out around the same time as the Ninja 400 here in the US....I would've gotten that instead of the 400 to be honest.
@@xTHEYCALLMExGx The power curves for the CBR and 450SS are fairly different. Theres some funky extra power around 8k RPMs in 4th gear that you'd probably not reach on a short drag like this. Color me surprised that it easily kept up though. Max speeds are clearly another result entirely. (Not that it really matters. Nobody is riding max speed on the streets unless they're one of those idiots who drag race on the highway)
had our NK400 Last year, already pumping 13k miles on it no issue!, we are planning to grab this one because of that aggressive looks, but thanks to Kawi on releasing the Zx4, we are now having a really tough time to decide which to get first!
zx4rr all the way
@@goldwally1428 the ZX4RR is barely more powerful than an Ninja 400, so it's the worst bang for the buck. The 450SR is the better deal, and for the price of an ZX4RR, an Yamaha R6 is an better option.
@@alanpereyra5503what do u mean barely? the ninja400 have 44HP vs ZX4RR that have a 77HP? what barely? lol
If you have the money, zx4r everyday, otherwise cfmoto 450, cbr 500 and ninja 400 are still very good.
@@aseryo5457 On normal riding conditions, you'll barely feel the power of the ZX4RR unless you're always on the highway revving it out higher. It makes most of its power higher in the rev range. Unless you plan to take it on the track often or are always riding on the highway, the CFMoto 450SR or even the Ninja 400 makes more sense. On the twisty roads, the CFMoto 450SR and Ninja 400 will definititley smoke the ZX4RR being the first 2 bikes makes more torque down low.
i love when new companies kick the big dawgs, more competitors better for consumer
See me in 10k miles that bike will not kick or crank
@@RT22-pb2pp all these foreign companies investing and building outta of china, you don't think the Chinese took those skills and used it to build their own machines? it's going to be the exact same quality as the competition if not better and cheaper. the Chinese have so many goddam ppl, and the labor is cheap ass dirt.
Nice comparison. I wish they had teh 450ss out a few years ago when i was getting into bikes. I would have 100% went with that instead of a Ninja 650.
It’s a great option for sure! Thank you
You can still buy it as a second fun bike.
The CF Moto are great motorcycle's, I've owned 4 different models over the last 3 years, they are a very reliable motorcycle, the only downside is the resale value, i live in Europe and the general feeling is it Chinese.The other concern is the last CF Moto I brought which was the 700 CLX Sport, the following year the price for a new one was reduced by 250€ ?, this will make you think before you buy.
Yeah they always reduce the price once it's been out for a bit. People who really want it on launch will pay more
Hi there, I think what’s happening is the same that happened when first Japanese motorcycles came to America or Europe, those were compared to german, english, italian motorcycles, it’s a question of time
Just got mine yesterday!!
Awesome bro 💪
Pls tell me about, i want to get her too 😍
@@diecovers4646 it’s a great motorcycle but when I got hit and trying to order parts apparently they were back up or whatever and that it could take like 6 months or so but other then that it’s great bike
would you say this would work as a fun daily commuter?
I personally believe so 💪👍
back aches like a 60 year old
It's great that other brands are bringing their motorcycles into a market historically dominated by Japanese motorcycles.
That should bring down prices. That said, I would probably buy the Honda if the price tag were not so ridiculous.
The difference in ride quality can be too much (Hondas are refined motorcycles) even though I do not doubt the CF dominated the CBR according to this test.
Yeah, just like how China phone brands did on the smartphone industry especially the XIAOMI.
XIAOMI's reputation now has risen! CFMOTO is becoming the Xiaomi of bikes.
Well here's my take. The 450 is track ready bike, lighter and high speed tranny whereas CBR500 is a much heavier cruiser touring sports bike with low speed tranny. the 500r is also just 20cc higher but with heavier parts. he's also not shifting properly throwing all those peak power band.
Weight: 450
HP: 450
Torque: 500
Price: 450
Features: 450
Looks: Subjective
Overall performance: 450
Great info and input brother! 💪👍👍
thank god someone other than me noted the excessively bad shifts.. I'm sorry to be that guy but hot damn..
Holy smokes this is a great video comparison. Any ninja 400/650 riders in your group I would love to see how the 450 ss stacks up
Thanks man! I hope we can find someone with a Ninja soon that we can ride with and see
My 450 walks away from the ninja 400. Its the quicker bike.
love the look of the 450ss. looks premium.
Damn it, the biggest problem is finding a dealer. Years ago I bought a CF Moto Fasion 250 which is a Honda Helix clone, It was a good scooter reliable, Next thing I know the dealer went out of business, Now I have a scooter that no one will work on and I have been unable to sell so I have a scooter that has been sitting in my shed for years.
Cfmoto is just blasting out of left field here lately man. Prices are starting to creep up though!
$5899 out the door on my 450ss. Best value in motorcycling on a new small cc sport-bike and maybe all of motorcycling
@@austinwinchester2954 that’s crazy, a place is telling my 7600 out the door
Bike isn’t creeping up the Stealerships are marking up prices
Kawasaki ninja 400 out the Door for 6k total. 5 year warranty for free!
@@ogbean82 and still not faster or good looking as the 450SS. 450SS even has more features.
I have the latest 400 NK that pulls the front wheel off the ground thru the first 3 gears and loves the higher rpm range.
I love the nk 450 sr..
I can't wait to get that one and the new 800 NK
I have the cb500x Honda I rode it 3000 miles in the last year lol & I have a full-time truck that I drive for work. That's just a cool bike I can't believe it's smoked the Honda! It has upside down forks, that model CBR does not those look like the same forks that are on my 2019 cb500x obviously tuned differently.
Is there a reason they're both sitting up acting like a sail rather than getting over the tank?
The best part about this is when you compare to the CBR500 or the Ninja 400 the Japanese bikes are absolutely dated when it comes to technology. If I'm correct I think a new ABS CBR500 is over $7000 too which I say is just too much.
That's insane, I'd never pay that much for one of those 💀
Check out new Ninja zx4RR, not outdated tech! But it is like 10 gran depending where you live
@@ninja1970fin $13,000 once you add prep,etc.
@@rivercityrambler7751 ok!
Obviously there's a better pilot (smoother clutch and gears usage) and the other one is just heavier on both bikes.
You can't tell unless it's the same pilot who tests both with chrono 🤙🏻🤙🏻
The CBR500R is a heavier bike in general, while making the same power as the 450SS… also they swapped pilots and the CFMOTO still started pulling away. The guy who rode the CBR500 first is heavier, mentioned in the video. Yet he still won on the 450 SS… the 450 is definitely a little bit quicker, watch the whole video if you don’t believe me…
Bravo Cf Moto!
Damn that CFmoto has a lot of torq for doing power wheelies at that horsepower level.
Yes sir
Where did it power up? If you're talking about the dude clutch dumping and "power"shifting...
CF Moto for sure. Problem is that if you follow whats happening around the world CF moto parts back up and aftersale service is not looking good. Not enough trained mechanics around the world. In some parts like South America peeps are stuck looking at bikes while they wait for parts. But yeah when they run they run gooood and they look mad sexy!!!
Ducati has no maintenance available in many countries, but no one complains.
@@believeingood5875 The difference between owning an exotic and something mass produced from China is that both are expected to leave you on the side of the road at some point in time but atleast with an exotic you look cool doing so. Owners of Ducati, Aprilia, MV, KTM etc know this and are happy to do so. I know this because I've owned a few and have been associated with race teams and motorsports of every nature for over 30 years.
That Was Awesome!
Thanks buddy
I appreciate ya
@@RealTalkPowersports Your Welcome!
@@RealTalkPowersports Thank You!
It's Good To Be The King. Watched a video the other day with a rzr trail on the dino same hp as my trail before the tune. Think the others fib a little in their spec's. Great video y'all 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks so much Fred and I agree
I have no issue with who made it as long as they cared about making it. I may see about getting my son one of these before he gets dads GSXR
Press the horn 3 times for a rolling race 👍
I wonder how well CFMOTO will do in Australia with this machine? I did a price comparison with the ninja 400 and there was only about $500 difference. I think a lot of people here still stigmatise Chinese built bikes, but clearly the reviews are starting to really stack up in the positive.
The only thing is one of the riders in this video looks to be about 2-3x the size of the other. These bikes are going to be super sensative to massive weight differences. The big rider was on the cf moto for 5 races. Where the honda is 50 pounds heavier. So now you have the cfmoto actually rider & bike atleast 100#’s heavier. Where 99% of the time the cfmoto rolls up on another bike and its gonna have a better power to weight
Cfmoto is killing it. That 450 motor sounds great. If ypu got any Info on the cfmoto clc450 cruiser that's coming out upload it or let us know man. My wife is wanting that bike, shes a cruiser rider, I think it has rode under the radar because of the sport and naked and adventure bikes from cfmoto.
Wow that spot is eerily similar to the spot where i experienced my first tank slapper doing the same thing. Between my fzr 600r and my wifes uncles concours 900
🤯🤯
450SR is a rocket 🚀
For those who don't know people in the states love this 450
both fellas chunkier so we can appreciate the torque and power on both
I wished cfmoto would sell the gt650 here in the states that’s a bike I would enjoy
Agree, not everyone wants a 1400 sports tourer or Hayabusa, the mid size GT650 ticks a lot of boxes.
I would love to ride with y'all sometime!!!
Surprised by CF moto! Must be an amazing bike!
That cfmoto is really good
I guess it is much better to test it if both drivers are on the same weight. Weight actually gives a huge difference regardless of the torque advantage of 450SR to CBR500. Weight should be identical.
they are both rather large but yeah, the one guy in the hoodie is forsure 30-50 lbs more
Awesome bikes
Im not much of i bike guy but those look good.
Dude, what is the different CF MOTO 450 SS vs CF MOTO 450 SR ?
I think it's just looks basically.
@@dariusrat6468 It's only the name
@@ShinzouWoSateSateSate yeah but the decals are a bit different
@@dariusrat6468 only 1 letter is the difference. SS for American market for some reason, but it's still the SR, same with Ibex 450/800, it's still the 450/800MT
@@ShinzouWoSateSateSate oh okay
everyday sportsbike vs track ready bike. I'd take the CBR, the engine is bulletproof. As for CFMoto, it need to show good aftersale support and engine reliability for few more years, then it'll become one of main players alongside Japanese players. i just dont want that 'disposable bike' stigma.
I traded in my cf moto 650 adventura and bought the bike in this video. I love it and yes they’re one of the most reliable engines in a lower cc sport bike.
i could bet my life on 450 st the beginning! I drive CBR 500 and sr 450 and it's not even close.
Gotta love that Chinese econony of scale
Rider on cbr 500r , is he know how to shift properly when drag race?
Where they get you is that CF Moto adds shipping on after the fact. Unless it was just our local dealer. Nice products though
All dealers add shipping and setup. I've worked in dealerships for years.
CFMOTO 450sr ftw!❤
Trying to get as much out of the airflow as much as they can Damn sure would help. 😩 I look pregnant and can get under them screens better.
Joe can ride anything!
He sure can
i have both. 450sr performance is better than cbr500r.
💪🤘
What's the distance of this drag race test? I wanna see both bikes go at least a quarter of a mile or max out the last gear to the limit.
Ninja 500 and the 450sr-s should be a fun race
Would be good to see a ninja400 drag the 450ss.
450ss wins
@@SenateKT-uc2id doubt it, maybe I'm used to litre plus bikes but they both look slug slow to me
@@MrBulli690 ~ 100km. Ninja 400 is 4.5 seconds. CF 450ss is 4.3 seconds. With a little modification, it can be 4.1 seconds.
@believeingood5875 so I was right they are slow 🐌
@@MrBulli69 imagine expecting a sub 500 cc bike to be as fast as a 1000cc bike 😒
Nice video. It would be nice to get an overall view of the engineering+design quality.
Thanks for the idea!
@realtalkmotorsports do plan on any tuning, being available for this bike?
That poor clutch with those shifts.😟
Yeah that honda won't last
Should be doing clutchless upshifts instead of this strange clutching technique which really unsettled the chassis
Yes sir I do agree..
CFMoto somehow looks nicer than the CBR..... or may be I have seen the CBR too many times already.
Yes the CFMOTO styling and fit and finish is Excellent
How come there is not a lot of the cfmoto 300ss videos out there
I have a couple videos here in my channel.. but maybe I could film a few more
Waiting for the cf450 here in Puerto Rico
Your gonna love it
The after market parts though.
That stock exaust seems good on cfmoto
Red jacket just has better experience for racing on hitting the gears at the right time, no matter what bike the 2 ride.
Lol did you watch the video.? He lost using the CBR500.. he's the better rider but the better bike actually made a difference..
@nadstengco2591 yea.? The better rider didn't have as much of a gap when he lost. The other guy would have a whole bike length or more when he lost. That's all I was talking about. The 450 seems good, just to see if the wife will switch from her 500 to it now. 😆
@@scottneal2738 meh, you were implying he's just plain better like the bike didn't made any difference when he clearly lost using the CBR.. the comparison is with the 2 bikes and not with the 2 riders hence why they switch bikes..
@nadstengco2591 actually in my first comment, I stated he has better experience on shifting gears. Nothing about winning or losing or even of which bike. I'm not going on a rant over this with you. You can think what you want. No one can tell you how to think.
@@scottneal2738 didn't say you said anything about winning or loosing.. it's just that you implied which is like taking away the difference between the bikes..
Sequential gearbox mean clutch isn't required for upshifting and is not recommended for a drag race
the guy on the black hood under shifts while the guy in the red and black power shifts that why he gets more leverage on the power of the motorcycle but dang the cf moto out performs the japanese bike, even swapping the 450ss could catch up even when its under shift. maybe has to do with the power to weight ratio of the bike since the cf moto is lighter.
This was like watching the special Olympics
🤔
CBR 500R, the punching bag of the middle-weight, parallel-twin sportbikes. 🤣
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a uncomfortable clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
You should have gotten the CBR500R. I'm sorry 🤪
I really want a 450ss
why are they grabbing the clutch when the 450 has a slipper clutch. No need to clutch pull when your upshifting?
Bunch of rookies I reckon
Why not a top speed run?
Faster acceleration can because different gear ratio or different sprockets .
I think the best way to test is to take both on a track and compare lap times
I would like to do that
@@RealTalkPowersports I'm trying to build a cbr500r track bike and I think the CBR500 can be competitive if we lighten it up. I'm in the process of sourcing race plastics, rearsets, and clip ons. I'm keeping the engine for now. I think it would be nice to see a battle between ninja 400, cf moto, R3, and CBR 500R on track
When can we expect in Hyderabad, India #cfmoto450 sr I was really waiting..to buy
Bravo
💪👍
CBR must’ve disconnected his vtec 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oooooo CFmoto is hurting a lot of companies feelings and satisfying many of us 😂
You shifting gear to early sir
Do this test i. A couple years with the same two bikes.
How do you get the cfmoto up to 80mph in 3rd gear?
People keep saying oh cfmoto made in China so quality this and quality that. I have not heard anything about the 450 yet not one issue heard yet. Time to get one before they jack up the price
Now let's wait 2 years to see who ages better 😎
I think the real issue that they was having is that the dude on the 500 he ain't as good at quick shifting than the other. Cuz even on the 500 he was a little slow on it. That will make a big factor in the race.
I wouldn't consider any manufacturer that doesn't compete at the top in Suzuka 8 hour race. Even bikes like Aprilia or Ducati winning short Mgp races don't matter in long term
Please bring this bike to India🇮🇳.. plz plz 😍❣️🙌 #CFMotoofficial