Don't forget Sakurai said this is being recorded like two months in advance, so all of the damage and frame data for these moves could have been adjusted significantly since then.
Probably the Dair shield damage cuz that was absurd. Tho I guess as a zoner you need some way to break through their guard since you can't rush them down like a Captain Falcon or Pikachu.
When I was looking the presentation I realized that byleth’s d-air breaks shield. The Cpu was at about 3/4 shield so that seems like it’s gonna be a good sheildbreak option if you catch someone holding shield to long.
DunnGeon Yeah I don’t think it was 3/4ths Shield. Pretty sure that was closer to 1/2 of the shield or a little less the CPU was holding shield for a while.
but for the record it was a total waste, no one wants another FE swordsman. They even insulted us and joked about it in the trailer. I don't play FE tho, is this character some sort of a drag queen?
@@TheTyphoon365 Just say they are people who dont want the character while they're are also people who love the addition and no they are two separate characters one Male and one female when you play the game you choose your gender
@@TheTyphoon365 No character is a waste of a slot. Every character is valuable, regardless of your opinions on them. And no, they're not a drag queen, Fire Emblem is a medieval warfare game.
I was about to say that lol Very true though, if they haven't adjusted Byleth's moves there would have been really no point in releasing them 2/3 months after they prepared Byleth for the direct. Still very hype character in any case
@@marioruvalcaba9487 Or, hear me out, he likes the character. I know, it seems impossible to do so, but guess what? People will have different opinions than you, grow up!
I feel it won't be a top tier but in tournaments it will make so many hype and highlight moments. Because it forces both players to keep mixing up, and take risks, and has a ton of disrespect moves.
It seems like a character that’s has to rely on reads and punishing, to minimize their low mobility. Considering Byleth is a tactical professer, that seems very appropriate.
Yeah, this character gives the feels of "I'm the professor, i'm so good i can beat all of you without bearly moving from my position". And with all the range he has, he can do it. But needs to read approaches and whiffed punishes correctly, to take advantage of their ranged potential.
@Major Thought Ahead While that may be true, killing is gonna start to be harder and riskier during matches between those characthers. Not to mention a disadvantage that would most likely occur to a Belmont by Byleth's recovery, might not even be able to recover.
I don’t even play Fire Emblem, but I’m actually really happy with Byleth’s addition. It’s clear Sakurai puts a lot of love and effort into each character, and I respect that. It sucks that people are being so salty.
@@placeadrien5566 It means that even though the animation of returning to idle is still going on, you can already act. Kind of like Inceneroar's special taunts he does when he hits someone.
Suprised that you didn't mention how Byleth's Dair broke a shield that was like 60-70% full easily in one hit. That seems like it can be good, especially since a shield break gives you a chance to use Down B.
It wasnt dair it was down B. Watch it in slow motion. I've seen so many people wrong about this. The axe is below Byleth during the dair animation. When the shield breaks, Byleth is clearly standing and the axe is at her side when it connects
for the F tilt lag... we have no idea how much of the ending animation you can cancel into another move so it having 30 frames of endlag is probably not true.
@@blxss18 not really sure but that's my point. We don't know and I feel like he's trying harder to find bad things about Byleth since people were disappointed with another FE character
@@blxss18 A lot of characters can cancel endlag on moves, so I wouldn't be surprised if Byleth can. I'd imagine with that much end lag on a move like f-tilt that you can either cancel it or that the footage was early footage and they've since tweaked it.
@@blxss18 Marth/Lucina has low endlag but crazy long animations with basically every grounded move. Ike and Zelda has crazy laggy aerials that are cancelled by landing, but some characters like Fox have really good aerials that have laggy landings where it is better to fulljump with them.
Damn people dump it's just extra animation (posing animation) that's with every character has them people don't notice cuz they always canceling them. Usually is when they start pulling back or start to pick their weapon away u can move again. I remember when cloud trailer came out people thought that long af animation on his forward tilt was end lag when in reality u can move even before the other animation starts
Bastien Bolafeld was that sarcasm. The last one literally is just the original but they dye their hair Edit: I get that it references the ending of Three Houses but I think there could of been more thought with these last two otherwise you have Cloud Syndrome.
Moves can almost always be acted out of way before the actual animation ends, you should keep that in mind. There is absolutely no way Byleth's F-Tilt is gonna have over 30 frames of endlag.
20 frames isn't THAT bad, not every character has to have stupid good moves. Most good nairs are frame 3 but kens nair is frame 6 but literally the same move
@@glxylunk lol I was also wonder whats the big deal byleth is cool but ppl are super salty and it sucks because they complain about too much fire emblem but the more fighters the better
When he does ftilt into uptilt into dtilt we should use that to measure the end lag of those moves since he's probably acting as fast as possible and not just letting the animation go through
Back when he/she was announced I was a little annoyed for being another FE character, but then I start getting over it, and I started laughing while I was reading the live chat. With that said, I still haven't play 3houses, but i'm fine with the character, even for the fact that there are 6 more. But all the hate generated by this reveal has generated such poor arguments people keep spreading around -"He's another swordfighter": this is the most common complaint I see, and it is even false considering the different weapons and the sword's moveset, since that is a whip in a sword skin. And if you complain about it, but then begging for characters like Sora, it's a bit hypocritical considering he's using a sword in a key skin, and I've played the Kingdom hearts games, I want him too -"Another FE rep": this can be a valid argument, if you don't proceed by asking for characters like Geno, Waluigi or any pokemon rep, since their franchises have more reps than fire emblem, and you can't excuse by saying that most of them are Marth clones, cause this is not the case -"It's a wasted slot, no one asked for them": it was the 10th most wanted character in japan and threehouses has won the award from best player choice, and if you say that this is Japan bias, that's understandable, but come on, we got Ridley, we got King K rool, we got Banjo, and who knows how many more considering the six characters left -"We payed for this shit": yeah... sure! This "shit" has a good rendering, a good study and an accurate representation of the source material, new kind of moveset, a new stage, a bunch of music, totally not worth it!... and why that doesn't count for the other four fighters? -"Not gonna spend my money on that!": here i'm not looking to everyone, i'm looking at people who said that, but they will buy it anyway, and at people who bought the fighter pass: how and why do you want to cancel the order for an extra feature that doesn't cost you anything since purchasing all five was your intention from the beginning? -"The like/dislike ratio says it all": the like are still double the dislikes. Not to mention the dislikers are the most vocal, cause they NEED to spread their salt everywhere, so that's because people seems only to hate byleth and because smash fans are considered toxic. And 15.000 dislikes were left right after the first five seconds of the reveal, and that's why some people still consider him a marth clone or a swordfighter -"Why Sakurai doesn't listen?": you can't pretend who needs to be added and who not to the point of harassing the creator, it's his game, and he's not obligated. And he's not someone who pretends your money, cause if that was the case, he would have added the popular requests immediately. I think Sakurai knows all this was coming, so he added a sixth spot for the FP volume 2 to make sure nothing is happened. With all that aside, I loved the general reaction, especially the memes. I remember when Piranha plant was revealed. Byleth is having the same scenario with the whole " FE invading fighter pass 2"
Fucking thank you. Everyone's disappointed and that's blinding them. That being said, I personally think Smash should get rid of Roy, Corrin and Lucina/Chrom. They're just repetitions of themselves. Also, play Fire Emblem, it's great.
The reason wasn't because we thought the character was trash. But because were tired of FE characters being shoved into the roster. People were looking for more third party characters to shine in smash. can't blame them for being mad for that reason.
For it is simple to be *edge-guarded* by them. Seriously, Byleth seems to function as a solid counterpick to characters like Pikachu and a _monstrous_ edge-guarder, no matter who.
Before someone comment it, Lucina is the only one who looks like marth, chrom is a clone of roy and even roy is unique, like Luigi, he has some differences that makes him unique
@@AllStarChestnut yeah not to judge but he was called sonic something dont remember and had a sonic profile pic, Though he could have been a troll based on how he responded it probably wasn't
Believe it or not, I think Zero's comments are the least salty when it comes to Byleth. His and Alpharad's. But I understand, go anywhere else, and you might get a bit too much salt.
If they do make any changes it may be slight increase in movement speed, change the nair hitbox or some lad changes. Nothing 'major' but could improve the character
JayDawg591 It was hard to watch I agree but they're technically not idle frames, they are apart of the move's frame data it's just the player is actionable during them. idle-ins if you will.
I wanted Byleth to be in after Terry’s trailer and was so excited to see him in but after so much hate from smash fans who don’t even play FE just kinda bums me out
Smash Fans Cried Joker is broken, Hero is irrelevant, Banjo-Kazooie isn't Minecraft, Terry's imputs are too hard, they're a spoiled and ungrateful bunch
I feel bad for Fire Emblem fans who actually wanted Byleth. Seeing all of the negativity on Twitter must have bummed them out. There ARE people who wanted him in Smash guys... Let them be excited that the character they wanted got in!
Honestly no, it doesn’t It just gives us more people to laugh at, they can’t be taken seriously so we won’t reply seriously either Hence why I spam the hoes mad meme on all the haters
People don’t realise that if this moveset was on another character People would be exited and like this But because it’s fire emblem people hate it Also I’m concidering maining byleth
Is there an issue with people being upset that its Fire Emblem? Sakurai set a precedent with how Smash DLC was supposed to be set when he released Joker. What you said is easy to assume because that situation is hypothetical. Feels more like a waste of a spot that couldve gone to a community that wasnt represented.
Aww shit smash kids doing that intitle shit again making up rules crying when they get their hopes up to be disappointed cause there character didn't get in. go play Mugen
I'm glad to see the positivity here for byleth, this is our first official Lance using character, something I've wanted in smash for so long! This is a nice move on Sakurai's part for allowing the use of every hero relic.
Down-B looks to be an alright commitment punisher to smashes and stuff, without worry of being hit by rouge hitboxes. Great in non-top levels of play. Might see use in locals.
Great breakdown, man! I personally am really excited for Byleth after your analysis. My play style (for heavier-hitting characters) thrives on being in disadvantage. I'm better at knee-jerk options than calculated ones. Byleth seems like a good punishment character. PS his down-b does break shield even at full shield. Sakurai did it during his match against Marth, I believe. He fell on his shield with down-b and broke it instantly.
Also, that CPU held his shield for a good second or 2. Dair probably does good damage to shields though. And if downB doesn't break shields, it will be an absolute trash downB.
His gameplay looks really fun and he definitely doesn’t seem broken. Everyone knew Joker would be broken the moment Arsene was revealed. It doesn’t feel the same now.
ken 700 well, he’s heavy, has bad recovery and his game plan is to keep people at a distance. He’s more sword dependent but it’s still very distance based.
Down b might be good for ledge getup coverage because it can be turned around, and unlike the punches, it has verticality and can fall through ledges, making it a little more unpredictable, and it breaks shields
Do we know anything about his weight by watching? I like how he's reminding me of how I play as Ganondorf :3 slow speed, all spacing, epic moves and a guarded falcon punch
@@takemetoyonk Neither do I. I play with my brother and he plays Richter and Ganondorf a lot, I just know both fighters and how they play because I fought them so many times...
@@FrostedMike oh cool cool. Yeah I forgot to say the down b reminds me of the punch because you can turn. Kind of wish you could drop through the floor with falcon and Ganondorf!
I'm honestly very terrified of Byleth. She has insane tools to keep you at a far distance with insanely powerful punish tools. She looks like she can create a literal wall in front of her. She seems like she will win on direct aerial interactions and can low profile with that giant down tilt hit box. If the opponent tries to approach from above she can up b them and can gimp from below with it off stage. If the opponent tries to camp back they will be shot up by Failnaught. The major weakness I see in her is that if the opponent is able to get through her wall she will be blown up very quickly because she has nothing to combat them at close range due to frame data. Her only saving grace may be neutral air but that's about it.
People might be tired of Fire Emblem characters, but Byleth's moveset is by and far the most unique i've seen so far. At least among franchises with multiple entrees.
@@supersentaipepsi3736 I always refer to Byleth as male because I like male Byleth better than female Byleth. I don't like referring to anyone as "them".
I feel like this character will struggle super hard vs characters with strictly safer and better tools like joker and fox, but also if you're good at reading your opponent and tech chasing then I feel like they could be high mid tier at least. D-tilt, nair side b to tech chase (You can either press it normally to cover roll in, tech in place, missed tech or do the smash input to cover roll out depending on if it has enough range or not.) I feel like this character has a terrible disadvantage but probably one of the most punishing advantages in the game. Plus up-b is cool af so definetly picking them up!
There supposedly will be another fighter pass so potentially more characters. I think they are trying to please everyone so don’t be too disappointed. Three houses was a great game and they are probably just trying to get more exposure
People: "Oh! A unique fire emblem character!" Robbin, Corrin, and Ike: "I guess... we don't exist?" Roy: "Hey! I'm different enough from Marth!" Chrom: "..... I'm somewhat unique. I mean I mix it up a little don't I?" Lucina: "I'm unique to---" Everyone: "YOU LITERALLY PRETEND TO BE MARTH WHEN INTRODUCED!!!" Corrin main.
This was a really good video. Normally in these type of videos I leave half way but this was good. I think that having a webcam is good because it's more engaging.
The fact that its disappointing that they used this pick for a fe character. Why is that so hard for fe fans to understand? I dont think anyone doubted that three houses was going to get representation, but all the fighters this pass have been 3rd party and then they end it with FE. I was really hoping we would get a final 3rd party character to close it out and then the next pass (which they already announced) would be more 1st party representation like FE, pokemon, mario, etc
@@TheBomberman122 Exactly. Then they get upset when others show disappointment. People who blame Sakurai are assholes and don't deserve their characters but people who are just a little disappointed should be able to express that without being called salty or get get spammed with hoes mad.
Something not mentioned anywhere but when he broke the shield of the cpu with an aerial down B, it looked like it came out a lot faster. It's very possible that in the air down B doesn't have armor but does come out faster. If thats the case, you might be able to get a kill at like 30 off the stage with it. Especially scary when you consider they also have to respect down air and up B so going under, at, or above byleth could be potentially be extremely scary even at like 20. Even if their grab doesn't combo or do a ton of damage, if it can get them pretty far left or right at low percent, it could still be really useful for this character specifically. The up B looks like it has a small scooping slash to hit shorter characters. If it does have good enough reach, it could be scary. When up B spikes, it is untechable so I wonder how high the cheese potential is on up B out of shield into falling down B covering neutral get up and rolling one way.
Don't forget Sakurai said this is being recorded like two months in advance, so all of the damage and frame data for these moves could have been adjusted significantly since then.
Yep that's what I was thinking too
Probably the Dair shield damage cuz that was absurd. Tho I guess as a zoner you need some way to break through their guard since you can't rush them down like a Captain Falcon or Pikachu.
Im seriously hoping they make them faster
I doubt they’re gonna mess with the strength on the attacks but I do hope they’ll make them faster
Rui Riversz that’s what I was thinking. Not only is it fairly quick but it’s also most likely a disjoint. This character is looking awesome so far IMO
When I was looking the presentation I realized that byleth’s d-air breaks shield. The Cpu was at about 3/4 shield so that seems like it’s gonna be a good sheildbreak option if you catch someone holding shield to long.
Yeah, that's gonna be a crazy shield punish.
Wasn’t it airborne DownB? You’re talking about when he’s fighting on the tag team and marth had Final Smash, right?
@@sataoborao6444 nope. It was down air. Its insane
DunnGeon Yeah I don’t think it was 3/4ths Shield. Pretty sure that was closer to 1/2 of the shield or a little less the CPU was holding shield for a while.
I mean Ganondorf also have a busted D-air so that make some sense.
So Zero is basically saying "I'm not seeing enough movement"
-_- yes
At least he gave his opinion on each moves
IS THAT A FORTNITE REFERENCE?
True lol
Linksin having only 4 movement does that to you.
Finally a youtuber talking about the actual character instead of ranting about if it was a waste of slot or no
but for the record it was a total waste, no one wants another FE swordsman. They even insulted us and joked about it in the trailer. I don't play FE tho, is this character some sort of a drag queen?
@@TheTyphoon365 Just say they are people who dont want the character while they're are also people who love the addition and no they are two separate characters one Male and one female when you play the game you choose your gender
@@TheTyphoon365 No character is a waste of a slot. Every character is valuable, regardless of your opinions on them. And no, they're not a drag queen, Fire Emblem is a medieval warfare game.
TheTyphoon365 for the record there are many people who actually wanted the character as well. 😅😅
@@TheTyphoon365 byleth was the most requested character for smash in japan
Lets remember this was recorded in november and changes could have been made
lets also remember that people thought banjo was gonna be trash
I was about to say that lol
Very true though, if they haven't adjusted Byleth's moves there would have been really no point in releasing them 2/3 months after they prepared Byleth for the direct. Still very hype character in any case
Yeah
@@fauna_virus Sakurai did say that they still need to prepare for Byleth's release because he wasn't announced in advance.
@@fauna_virus then again a good amount of the time during development goes to fixing bugs and glitches
Byleth seems like he's going to be a heavy bruiser type character like Ike.
Except IMO more fun than Ike.
Brawl Ike lmao
Ikr ike and robin combined plus both him and ike were Mercenary
@@MelissiaBlackheart at least Byleth will have a two button neutral
Ike used to be an absolute heavyweight
I'm personally not salty that Byleth is in the game and I'm glad you're doing an analysis on Byleth
Xd
Cause you a fire emblem ass kisser
@@marioruvalcaba9487 Or, hear me out, he likes the character. I know, it seems impossible to do so, but guess what? People will have different opinions than you, grow up!
Noah LAT buddy you are 15
@@marioruvalcaba9487 Good try, but no
Dimitri: Take my spear
Claude: And my bow
Edelgard: AND MY AXE!
And then they all had a fistfight, the end.
Fisting is 300 bucks
@@marth5308 ...
@@marth5308 fist me daddy
@@soltrice Are you sure? ♂️It's♂️a♂️long♂️process♂️
I feel it won't be a top tier but in tournaments it will make so many hype and highlight moments.
Because it forces both players to keep mixing up, and take risks, and has a ton of disrespect moves.
Just like captain falcon
the character is going to consist of, walk away, charge arrow.
Byleth even has a Falcon-Punch-like move
It may be used in doubles though...
360 no scope Byleth ITS HAPPENING BOIS
Down Air obliterated Marth's shield at like 2/3 size. It does coocoo shield damage.
Marche stfu
@@Mr_Peem ok?
@@Mr_Peem why you gotta be mean >:(
Matthewm 1802 who hurt you?
@Burhan Mohsin His wife who left him.
Something i saw when sakurai was playing, dair ahnialates sheilds. Marth had most of his sheild and sakurai broke it with 1 dair
Saw this as well. Dair demolished that shield. Wasn't shieldbreaker level but that was a lot of shield that just vanished.
I thought it was down B at first it hit so hard
this character seems like the ultimate punisher, similar to ganondorf. Ganon with a more usable sword...
Looked like down b to me.
Seriously scared me lmao
It seems like a character that’s has to rely on reads and punishing, to minimize their low mobility.
Considering Byleth is a tactical professer, that seems very appropriate.
Bruh byleth accepted the smash invitation so he could farm weapon xp from a 0 movement boss sitting on a healing tile
Yeah, this character gives the feels of "I'm the professor, i'm so good i can beat all of you without bearly moving from my position". And with all the range he has, he can do it. But needs to read approaches and whiffed punishes correctly, to take advantage of their ranged potential.
Hmm yes, tactical professer
Wonder how the Belmonts would deal with this character.
@Major Thought Ahead While that may be true, killing is gonna start to be harder and riskier during matches between those characthers. Not to mention a disadvantage that would most likely occur to a Belmont by Byleth's recovery, might not even be able to recover.
I don’t even play Fire Emblem, but I’m actually really happy with Byleth’s addition. It’s clear Sakurai puts a lot of love and effort into each character, and I respect that. It sucks that people are being so salty.
I don't mind another fire emblem character I was just against the moves being similar
@@michaeljames6737 Yeah, Chrom and Lucina made me sad cause they were basically Echo fighters. Byleth looks sick.
@@skeletonwar4445 Lucina is LITERALLY female Marth in the games, she even "called herself Marth" for some time.
Love to see zero encouraging people to play three houses
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Eww
It's a great game
@@revshyguy4441 yessss
@@fupalover stop
To me Byleth seems to be a high risk higk reward character
Highly agree
with that much laggy moves maked him high risk high risk
That recipe is usually fun to play but not as good competitively.
Joker 2.0
@@celticwind4122 zss
77th slowest? That's SUPER FAST!
@@mashed4553 nah he's saying 77th slowest is just the reverse way of saying 2nd fastest, zero just fumbled his words a bit
>zero is foreign
@@300PIVOTMASTER you fool
Trick room!
There’s always the possibility that he doesn’t go back to his neutral stance right away.
That's what I'm feeling too, similar to Roy in that way.
what do you mean ?
@@placeadrien5566 It means that even though the animation of returning to idle is still going on, you can already act. Kind of like Inceneroar's special taunts he does when he hits someone.
@@CaptainDCap Oh right like a cancel. Thanks
Which of Byleth's moves are you talking about?
Suprised that you didn't mention how Byleth's Dair broke a shield that was like 60-70% full easily in one hit.
That seems like it can be good, especially since a shield break gives you a chance to use Down B.
Or angled tipper f-smash
It wasnt dair it was down B. Watch it in slow motion. I've seen so many people wrong about this. The axe is below Byleth during the dair animation. When the shield breaks, Byleth is clearly standing and the axe is at her side when it connects
ValiantVincent lmao dude get yourself and eye check cause you are blind, that is clearly down AIR.
@@valiantvincent2621 Down B has a forward swing. Dair goes through the z axis straight down
It's a dair. Stop spreading misinformation. imgur.com/gallery/ia19Anz
for the F tilt lag... we have no idea how much of the ending animation you can cancel into another move so it having 30 frames of endlag is probably not true.
Can u cancel into moves with Byleth?
@@blxss18 not really sure but that's my point. We don't know and I feel like he's trying harder to find bad things about Byleth since people were disappointed with another FE character
@@blxss18
A lot of characters can cancel endlag on moves, so I wouldn't be surprised if Byleth can.
I'd imagine with that much end lag on a move like f-tilt that you can either cancel it or that the footage was early footage and they've since tweaked it.
@@blxss18 Marth/Lucina has low endlag but crazy long animations with basically every grounded move. Ike and Zelda has crazy laggy aerials that are cancelled by landing, but some characters like Fox have really good aerials that have laggy landings where it is better to fulljump with them.
Damn people dump it's just extra animation (posing animation) that's with every character has them people don't notice cuz they always canceling them. Usually is when they start pulling back or start to pick their weapon away u can move again. I remember when cloud trailer came out people thought that long af animation on his forward tilt was end lag when in reality u can move even before the other animation starts
"Probably around the speed of Ganondorf"
Me, a Ganon main: _I see nothing wrong with this_
"It's maybe a bit better than Robin's"
Me, a Robin main: *any little bit helps*
(My brother's a Ganon main too ^_^)
As a Gannon main, Byleth is looking to be r e a l l y F ù ñ
Same bro this character fits my exact play style
@@marekdec8605 ikr?! I cant with spike people with Up B or use a Dair to shield break and get a free Down B
I play incineroar so anything above his run speed is a win
I love how vibrant the recolors are
Bastien Bolafeld was that sarcasm. The last one literally is just the original but they dye their hair
Edit: I get that it references the ending of Three Houses but I think there could of been more thought with these last two otherwise you have Cloud Syndrome.
PrPro03
It’s a story thing. It has more significance than you think
PrPro03
The ones based off the other 3 houses character look super good imo.
@@tikprpro03 noRmiE
@@tikprpro03 oh this guy doesn't know lol
Moves can almost always be acted out of way before the actual animation ends, you should keep that in mind. There is absolutely no way Byleth's F-Tilt is gonna have over 30 frames of endlag.
Yea, TBH it looks like 20 at most lol
Le epic what lmao
@@ryanepps2183 that's still not that great
20 frames isn't THAT bad, not every character has to have stupid good moves. Most good nairs are frame 3 but kens nair is frame 6 but literally the same move
@@altair2843 racist
I am hyped for Byleth! I love this character so far. FE3H was so fun
Anime GD Studios nice to see someone else happy
It still is. Hype lives!
Honeslty, idk what's so bad about Byleth being in. I was definitely hyped. Kinda sad that "hoes mad" says alot lol basically
@@glxylunk lol I was also wonder whats the big deal byleth is cool but ppl are super salty and it sucks because they complain about too much fire emblem but the more fighters the better
@Rance Is my role model Do you love Japanese games
I’ll only watch Zero about Byleth in smash because he actually doesn’t rant
Also because I’m a FE3H nut and I kinda get sadboi seeing the hate😂
Holly Nguyen me too, I was so hyped when I saw the presentation but then it got dampened when I saw all the hate
They should have just said the last character wasn't third party to stop the hate.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU OR YOUR STUPID WEEB GAME
FUCK YOU
FUCK BYLETH
AND FUCK FIRE EMBLEM
@@brotherplant2455 Wow. Lol.
Icey oooh i’ll go and take a look at Esam’s video too !!!
Bro his down air breaks shields lmao
When he does ftilt into uptilt into dtilt we should use that to measure the end lag of those moves since he's probably acting as fast as possible and not just letting the animation go through
Back when he/she was announced I was a little annoyed for being another FE character, but then I start getting over it, and I started laughing while I was reading the live chat. With that said, I still haven't play 3houses, but i'm fine with the character, even for the fact that there are 6 more. But all the hate generated by this reveal has generated such poor arguments people keep spreading around
-"He's another swordfighter":
this is the most common complaint I see, and it is even false considering the different weapons and the sword's moveset, since that is a whip in a sword skin. And if you complain about it, but then begging for characters like Sora, it's a bit hypocritical considering he's using a sword in a key skin, and I've played the Kingdom hearts games, I want him too
-"Another FE rep": this can be a valid argument, if you don't proceed by asking for characters like Geno, Waluigi or any pokemon rep, since their franchises have more reps than fire emblem, and you can't excuse by saying that most of them are Marth clones, cause this is not the case
-"It's a wasted slot, no one asked for them": it was the 10th most wanted character in japan and threehouses has won the award from best player choice, and if you say that this is Japan bias, that's understandable, but come on, we got Ridley, we got King K rool, we got Banjo, and who knows how many more considering the six characters left
-"We payed for this shit": yeah... sure! This "shit" has a good rendering, a good study and an accurate representation of the source material, new kind of moveset, a new stage, a bunch of music, totally not worth it!... and why that doesn't count for the other four fighters?
-"Not gonna spend my money on that!": here i'm not looking to everyone, i'm looking at people who said that, but they will buy it anyway, and at people who bought the fighter pass: how and why do you want to cancel the order for an extra feature that doesn't cost you anything since purchasing all five was your intention from the beginning?
-"The like/dislike ratio says it all": the like are still double the dislikes. Not to mention the dislikers are the most vocal, cause they NEED to spread their salt everywhere, so that's because people seems only to hate byleth and because smash fans are considered toxic. And 15.000 dislikes were left right after the first five seconds of the reveal, and that's why some people still consider him a marth clone or a swordfighter
-"Why Sakurai doesn't listen?": you can't pretend who needs to be added and who not to the point of harassing the creator, it's his game, and he's not obligated. And he's not someone who pretends your money, cause if that was the case, he would have added the popular requests immediately. I think Sakurai knows all this was coming, so he added a sixth spot for the FP volume 2 to make sure nothing is happened.
With all that aside, I loved the general reaction, especially the memes. I remember when Piranha plant was revealed. Byleth is having the same scenario with the whole " FE invading fighter pass 2"
Well said bro.
Fucking thank you. Everyone's disappointed and that's blinding them. That being said, I personally think Smash should get rid of Roy, Corrin and Lucina/Chrom. They're just repetitions of themselves. Also, play Fire Emblem, it's great.
This is the first time I’ve ever been disappointed with the smash community. Just be happy you get a character with a cool move set
Murder by words, thank you for this
Preach 🙌
At first it seems like everybody hates byleth. But now, it looks like we’re starting to calm down and it makes me happy
Yeah it's true but this character I find him really cool and I'm happy.
The reason wasn't because we thought the character was trash. But because were tired of FE characters being shoved into the roster. People were looking for more third party characters to shine in smash.
can't blame them for being mad for that reason.
I love all the details & how the character (man or woman) is pretty amazing ngl
@@PaintedLive I would still argue that people let their emotions be a little too strong when we analyze this situation.
Don’t hate him, just disappointed. Character doesn’t even look fun to play. Very bland. Terrible way to end the fighter pack.
*Range Demon*
Also, down B looks like Hero's Hatchet Man, seems can break shield in a single hit
Down air can too. It's beautiful.
It's also the same speed as a Warlock Punch
@@xxim_just_jamxx with better armor
Hatchet man without the randomness
@@jackbudi Warlock Punch without the inconsistent super armor
0:38 you mean 77th fastest character
Neeeerdddd
77dd2 a nerd isn’t somebody who’s smart...
Damn you right🤣🤣
@@77dd2 Why're you complimenting them?
Y’all are annoying nobody can take a joke 🤦♂️
Imagine trying to edgeguard Byleth and you get yeeted into abyss.
One does not simply edge guard byleth.
For it is simple to be *edge-guarded* by them.
Seriously, Byleth seems to function as a solid counterpick to characters like Pikachu and a _monstrous_ edge-guarder, no matter who.
People: omg, i'm tired of another swordsperson in Smash. ughhh
also those people:
WHERE SORA
@Boring Namewt? Yes he is. His keyblade is a literal sword, but with a key's tip.
@Boring Name bruh lol
Francesco Lombardi blunt weapon not a sword
Also Dante. Another Anime swordsman. Yet still complain that we got an anime swordsman.
@@mistressofdreams6031 keyBLADE
No matter how good they are I’m still gonna play them and make my friends hate me
As a wii fit trainer main, I like your mindset
That's the spirit
Saem
As a cloud main I love u
When I like a character I'll play them even if they have the worst moveset in fighting game history.
You know, I’m really happy i watched this. This made me feel better after hearing so many people get mad about Byleth
*Does a decent analysis of a FE character that didn't even came out*
And?
@@killervader he is the only one on youtube doing one lol I just checked
Grammar needs help
Because he's coming out on January 29th
@@davidnewbon4385 wasn't 28th
I'm just asking
Regardless of how good he may be, I’m going to have a lot of fun playing as him when he comes out in 2 weeks!
Jotaro dies in Part 6
Auvisome I never read the manga but i already know jotaro kujo died in stone ocean
@@Auvisome wow bitch i alrdy read stone ocean but why u spoiling ppls
Less than two weeks!
My heart and actions are utterly unclouded; they are all those of justice!
Byleth: *isnt even out yet*
People: A R E T H E Y G O O D
*notice that this gameplay was recorded 2 months prior the reveal so all this analysis could be useless and everything could've been changed.
Welcome to smash
Yeah, shame on them for analyzing footage and making predictions like...literally everyone else basically
this happens for every character, why are you surprised?
@@capt.j0hn877 Why would Sakurai show us the footage if everything gets changed? Doesn't even add up.
I absolutely hate the people who take one look at a fire emblem character in smash and just go "LoL MaRtH ClOnE"
Literally just debated a guy just like that
people are too arrogant
Before someone comment it, Lucina is the only one who looks like marth, chrom is a clone of roy and even roy is unique, like Luigi, he has some differences that makes him unique
@@AllStarChestnut yeah not to judge but he was called sonic something dont remember and had a sonic profile pic,
Though he could have been a troll based on how he responded it probably wasn't
@@AllStarChestnut I know and it pisses me off
There's a couple up throws we see, but swordies throws generally suck
Up throw up b looks like a decent bread n butter
RIP in Marth
Yeah well byleth's throws legitimately look cool as fuck
Bought some fries 🍟 but it lacks salt.
So here I am fixing my problem
Jonathan Alba nice
Lmao, good one sir
Believe it or not, I think Zero's comments are the least salty when it comes to Byleth. His and Alpharad's. But I understand, go anywhere else, and you might get a bit too much salt.
Jonathan Alba up b spike
Granetdud I think they're talking more about the comments but idk
Remember, the Direct was recorded 2 months ago so this isn’t going to be 100% accurate to the final product.
What direct? It was a smash livestream yesterday, wasn't it?
@@derEchteFaker_offiziell At some point in the stream Sakurai says "It's actually November as of recording" or something along those lines
@@derEchteFaker_offiziell it was a live stream of the footage, which was recorded in November.
What you also need to consider is that this was pre-recorded 2 months ago, this means that they can make some changes before Byleth is released.
I doubt it, the character looks pretty complete and they have 6 other fighters to create and program and try to figure out some kind of gimmick
If they do make any changes it may be slight increase in movement speed, change the nair hitbox or some lad changes. Nothing 'major' but could improve the character
@@theclark5631 I hope they will buff movement speed at least a little bit to help the character.
19:12
“I’m not seeing enough movement”
Flosses aggressively
Did he really just count the frames of idle animation as the ftilt lag?
Yeah he did lol
Thats a competitive aspect, every little detail matters
RurouniJay but it’s inaccurate, idle frames=/=lag
No point counting frame data when the character isn't even playable yet honestly.
JayDawg591 It was hard to watch I agree but they're technically not idle frames, they are apart of the move's frame data it's just the player is actionable during them. idle-ins if you will.
I wanted Byleth to be in after Terry’s trailer and was so excited to see him in but after so much hate from smash fans who don’t even play FE just kinda bums me out
Smash Fans Cried Joker is broken, Hero is irrelevant, Banjo-Kazooie isn't Minecraft, Terry's imputs are too hard, they're a spoiled and ungrateful bunch
E_01 the fighter pack is trash only good one is probably joker everyone else is lame and irrelevant
@@slush2640 lmao
@@slush2640 ok shit taste
I’m just happy we finally got a Fire Emblem character. That’s something I never thought we would see in smash.
Sakurai: *announces new smash character*
ZeRo: it’s free real estate
cum shot out my nose from laughter
@@jcast1749 uhh... so.. we really.... didnt want.. to.. uh.. know that..
I feel bad for Fire Emblem fans who actually wanted Byleth. Seeing all of the negativity on Twitter must have bummed them out. There ARE people who wanted him in Smash guys... Let them be excited that the character they wanted got in!
I'm just enjoying seeing people rage about it lmao but ffs it's Sakurais game, let him add who he wants because he works hard for us
Truer words have never been spoken
Nah i was ecstatic to see byleth and now im just excited to main him knowing ppl will be extra salty when i win
Honestly no, it doesn’t
It just gives us more people to laugh at, they can’t be taken seriously so we won’t reply seriously either
Hence why I spam the hoes mad meme on all the haters
I know, right? People were gradually warming up to Byleth, then yesterday happened. I knew he'd be coming, but didn't think it be this soon.
People don’t realise that if this moveset was on another character
People would be exited and like this
But because it’s fire emblem people hate it
Also I’m concidering maining byleth
PIP OWEN u r godamn right
I've mained Samus since Smash 64, but I'm about to switch to Byleth just to annoy all these whiny kids that hop on the "haha FE bad" bandwagon.
Is there an issue with people being upset that its Fire Emblem? Sakurai set a precedent with how Smash DLC was supposed to be set when he released Joker. What you said is easy to assume because that situation is hypothetical. Feels more like a waste of a spot that couldve gone to a community that wasnt represented.
Aww shit smash kids doing that intitle shit again making up rules crying when they get their hopes up to be disappointed cause there character didn't get in. go play Mugen
ken 700 Nah just some critcism over a game I enjoy playing. but i guess you gotta flex that you dont care for online people right? 😂
I would love to have Nintendo call in some experts like Zero to develop the next character they'll add.
Zero would add a (balanced) top tier
Zero Mii costume •́ ‿ ,•̀
Senritsu} {Jumpsuit LOL! :D
They do do that actually, retired pro players get paid to help with balance.
They did hire some pro japanese players to help with balancing.
I'm glad to see the positivity here for byleth, this is our first official Lance using character, something I've wanted in smash for so long!
This is a nice move on Sakurai's part for allowing the use of every hero relic.
I am Satan's bitch Villager technically has an axe though now that I think about it
We need a sword fighter with a katanna like Raiden from metal gear
@@michaeljames6737 Aight you're getting a katana user, but it's gonna have to be Lyn.
Skeleton War alpharad approves this
Down-B looks to be an alright commitment punisher to smashes and stuff, without worry of being hit by rouge hitboxes. Great in non-top levels of play. Might see use in locals.
I think it's great for the retards that like to hold smash attacks in nuetral
Depends on how strong the armour is, it did take a falcon punch lol
I kinda see it as a longer ganon neutral B
jason frederick Hatchet man but warlock punch
@@ryanepps2183 super armour, so very great
So basically, Byleth is "come edgeguard me, I dare you"
*uses the red female Byleth*
"Come edelgard me, I dare you"
Remember when Joker wad Mid-Tier? Ah, good times
Who called him mid tier? Most people called him solid high tier.
@@devinbannish1469 I remember him being called mid tier first week.
40% of the community is salty and 60% of the love Byleth in the game
Corrin Kamui more like the other way around unfortunately
Here in Spain the hole comunity hated is appereance
Imagine blaming someone for being sad about this, not salty kid
T4M not really, I’d say the majority don’t care but this is a case of vocal minority.
Most of the videos on Byleth's reveal have a like/dislike ratio of 60/40.
Byleth is like a combination of Ganandorf and Link: A heavy hitter and slow mover with a large arsenal of weapons.
Funny, since they're rivals.
Great breakdown, man! I personally am really excited for Byleth after your analysis. My play style (for heavier-hitting characters) thrives on being in disadvantage. I'm better at knee-jerk options than calculated ones. Byleth seems like a good punishment character. PS his down-b does break shield even at full shield. Sakurai did it during his match against Marth, I believe. He fell on his shield with down-b and broke it instantly.
Its wasn't his down-b but his dair :)
Also, that CPU held his shield for a good second or 2. Dair probably does good damage to shields though. And if downB doesn't break shields, it will be an absolute trash downB.
Maxime Blanchard thanks for the correction. Just rewatched reveal trailer to confirm. Thought I saw down b. Good observation!
I don't care if Byleth is the worst character in the game. I'm maining Byleth day 1 and no one can stop me! 😆
I bet 50$ you drop em after 3 weeks
CleverTwist That’s Good we should have a Byleth Ditto
@@lkayde1996 Hey, you're on. But I shotgun the Edelgard skin. 😉
I want to main Byleth as well. Why can't the 28th come sooner?
Don't worry, Little Mac is still in the game so they won't be the worst
their down B is warlock punch +. it hits overhead and slightly behind and allows you to fall through platforms
And has better super armor.
I already changed my switch name to BylethMain
You're gay
@@brotherplant2455 No u
Single Housing Unit Same actually
@@brotherplant2455 Okay, bottom teir trash
@@raid--er4083 AND THAT'S A KNOCKOUT
remember that this was pre-recorded they might change frame data
I fell in love with his up special, that thing looks gorgeous and is a power house.
i wish we got the enlightened one skin
The sothis one is similar to what it would look like, because
"The Enlightened One" class costume is based on sothis.
Sothis one is pretty close too it
enlightened one outfit is ugly as hell tho i never used it lmao
Dae-Dae yeah that would have been awesome
I was underwhelmed by Byleth but I’m really looking forward to the character. It looks super fun. It’s like a mix between Marth and Simon, in a way.
His gameplay looks really fun and he definitely doesn’t seem broken. Everyone knew Joker would be broken the moment Arsene was revealed. It doesn’t feel the same now.
@@exodus1759 people didnt think joker was broke at first tho
Bruh how i get Simon tho
ken 700 well, he’s heavy, has bad recovery and his game plan is to keep people at a distance. He’s more sword dependent but it’s still very distance based.
@@vivilover9409 some people did some didn't. It was an argument even on day 1
Great break down from just a few minutes of move set gameplay ZeRo. Really liking what you’ve been doing👍🏻
Idk about the character personally, but he looks fun as hell.
Jeffery Flores until you constantly get bodied using him.
Well there is nothing special about them. They are the typical stoic silent rpg main character
@@stevencontreras84 theres a lot more to him than being silent and "generic"
@@pepsicola3561 like what?
@@stevencontreras84 almost everything about him is spoilers, but he is pretty interesting
I’ve watched this vid like 10 times cause I’m so excited for Byleth
It seems like Byleth is just a heavy Joker without Arsene
Down b might be good for ledge getup coverage because it can be turned around, and unlike the punches, it has verticality and can fall through ledges, making it a little more unpredictable, and it breaks shields
It covers some area in the air, maybe an edgeguarding move?
Byleth “I have landing lag when doing aerials”
Bayonetta “Nothing new”
Do we know anything about his weight by watching? I like how he's reminding me of how I play as Ganondorf :3 slow speed, all spacing, epic moves and a guarded falcon punch
Down B is more like Hero's Hatchet Man.
What I see is Ganondorf with Link's moves and Belmont's spacing. Depends on the weight.
@@FrostedMike I forgot to say I'm definitely not competitive or anything :P but yeah that sounds right
@@takemetoyonk Neither do I. I play with my brother and he plays Richter and Ganondorf a lot, I just know both fighters and how they play because I fought them so many times...
@@FrostedMike oh cool cool. Yeah I forgot to say the down b reminds me of the punch because you can turn. Kind of wish you could drop through the floor with falcon and Ganondorf!
@@takemetoyonk Can't wait to do it with Byleth :D
I don't care if we get 6 more FE characters, as long as Sakurai is happy with the character choices him and Nintendo makes, I'm good.
There is 8 now
felipe navarro correct, and 2 of them are just alts with minor changes so there’s really only 6, so it’s not too bad
Dude, I love Smash Bros, but Sakurai needs the best vacation.
the green alt looks like his boss and tiki also the omega form for this stage is going to be something
This characters up b is CRAZY!!
The spikes will kill any ledge gaurder unless your dedede or Kirby or someone idk
feck of floating bois
or am wacking you out if the sky
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 lmao u ain't hero
@@thedukeconiosantiago9180 frick :P
Eri Gamer boi that’s my new favorite move
I'm honestly very terrified of Byleth. She has insane tools to keep you at a far distance with insanely powerful punish tools. She looks like she can create a literal wall in front of her. She seems like she will win on direct aerial interactions and can low profile with that giant down tilt hit box. If the opponent tries to approach from above she can up b them and can gimp from below with it off stage. If the opponent tries to camp back they will be shot up by Failnaught. The major weakness I see in her is that if the opponent is able to get through her wall she will be blown up very quickly because she has nothing to combat them at close range due to frame data. Her only saving grace may be neutral air but that's about it.
In my opinion with the lack of speed and having quite a bit of spacing tools they look like a campy punish character.
People might be tired of Fire Emblem characters, but Byleth's moveset is by and far the most unique i've seen so far. At least among franchises with multiple entrees.
The only thing im scared of is that Byleth moves are to laggy for me to enjoy this character i hope Sakurai improve it when it releases
just got on the bus to school and i get to watch a new video zero video to pass the time lets go.
Love three houses. Looking forward to play her
@@plasma185 They can play as the female Byleth if they want.
Plasma It’s both. You can say “he” or “she” because there are two different options. You’re arguing over nothing.
WEEB
ALERT
@@davidnewbon4385 that's not the point, Byleth can be a him or a her so it should be "them" when adressing the character.
@@supersentaipepsi3736 I always refer to Byleth as male because I like male Byleth better than female Byleth. I don't like referring to anyone as "them".
I feel like this character will struggle super hard vs characters with strictly safer and better tools like joker and fox, but also if you're good at reading your opponent and tech chasing then I feel like they could be high mid tier at least. D-tilt, nair side b to tech chase (You can either press it normally to cover roll in, tech in place, missed tech or do the smash input to cover roll out depending on if it has enough range or not.) I feel like this character has a terrible disadvantage but probably one of the most punishing advantages in the game. Plus up-b is cool af so definetly picking them up!
Everybody hates this character but I think they're gonna be op
I’m glad you mention casual play, because this definitely seems like a character to whip out with your friends at a party
There supposedly will be another fighter pass so potentially more characters. I think they are trying to please everyone so don’t be too disappointed. Three houses was a great game and they are probably just trying to get more exposure
What do you mean "supposedly" and "potentially" they confirmed a second fighter pass a while and during the live stream.
Meshea462 not supposedly
Mr.PourTheMilkFirst yeah lol
Mr.PourTheMilkFirst I heard this information from a person I wasn’t too sure if it was true or not. I did not watch the live stream.
@@Meshea462 yeah there will be a second one and it will have 6 characters this time
his down b is basically warlock punch and hatchet man put together
Byleth's thighs are pretty good
Especially the male one
No homo tho both are thicc
Side b is now legally an arial
Byleth seems more akin to Link than the typical Fire Emblem character
Half of the Fire Emblem characters are totally unlike Marth.
It's worth noting that the presentation was recorded on November 2019 so fingers crossed for buffs upon release
People: "Oh! A unique fire emblem character!"
Robbin, Corrin, and Ike: "I guess... we don't exist?"
Roy: "Hey! I'm different enough from Marth!"
Chrom: "..... I'm somewhat unique. I mean I mix it up a little don't I?"
Lucina: "I'm unique to---"
Everyone: "YOU LITERALLY PRETEND TO BE MARTH WHEN INTRODUCED!!!"
Corrin main.
NOBODY CARES
Corrin mains exist?
And Roy
@@lindermontejo4546 There better?
Chrom the absolute madlad, trying to be different from Roy by instead copying moves from Ike.
This is huge! Thanks for the breakdown zero!
Waiting for the salt comments to start rolling in.
Drinking those salty tears all day long! 🍺
🍔🍟 i have some Fries and burger made with people's salt, do you Guys want some?
Gonna need some more salt for these fries... actually, there’s plenty.
I am not salty just disappointed
The only salt in the comments I see is people saying others are salty.
69th highest speed - K.Rool
*That's my boy.*
When you can't wait for 29th but you have exams those Days ...
28th actually I think so you might have a day
Man I remember thinking about exams, it's a nice memory once you've graduated
@@TheBomberman122 wow that's so interesting please tell me more things about your life that nobody asked for
@@skeletonwar4445 I can tell you that you're videos are trash and your sub count is sad
@@TheBomberman122 Okay I guess??
Still doesn't make you any less of a baby
This was a really good video. Normally in these type of videos I leave half way but this was good. I think that having a webcam is good because it's more engaging.
New waifu. What's there to complain about?
*New Husbando
Slobertooth 13 NO
Absolutely nothing at all.
The fact that its disappointing that they used this pick for a fe character. Why is that so hard for fe fans to understand? I dont think anyone doubted that three houses was going to get representation, but all the fighters this pass have been 3rd party and then they end it with FE. I was really hoping we would get a final 3rd party character to close it out and then the next pass (which they already announced) would be more 1st party representation like FE, pokemon, mario, etc
@@TheBomberman122 Exactly. Then they get upset when others show disappointment. People who blame Sakurai are assholes and don't deserve their characters but people who are just a little disappointed should be able to express that without being called salty or get get spammed with hoes mad.
I feel like every single one of Zeros videos starts with the word “So”
I'll be honest. After playing three houses, I was hoping Byleth would be in Smash.
This is a style on your opponent character, I love it
Short answer:
no
Long answer:
most likely
Something not mentioned anywhere but when he broke the shield of the cpu with an aerial down B, it looked like it came out a lot faster. It's very possible that in the air down B doesn't have armor but does come out faster. If thats the case, you might be able to get a kill at like 30 off the stage with it. Especially scary when you consider they also have to respect down air and up B so going under, at, or above byleth could be potentially be extremely scary even at like 20.
Even if their grab doesn't combo or do a ton of damage, if it can get them pretty far left or right at low percent, it could still be really useful for this character specifically.
The up B looks like it has a small scooping slash to hit shorter characters. If it does have good enough reach, it could be scary. When up B spikes, it is untechable so I wonder how high the cheese potential is on up B out of shield into falling down B covering neutral get up and rolling one way.