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In answer to a few of your questions: 1. Wyatt's common law wife Mattie was addicted to opium. When you read about the history of their relationship, it seems to have been a mess both ways from the beginning sadly - very toxic. 2. Doc Holliday suffered from tuberculosis for much of his life. Despite that and his heavy drinking, he was known for his skills at cards and as a gunfighter. 3. As amazing as it seems, the movie's version of events closely matches reports from people who were at the creek when Wyatt took down Curly Bill. Truth is sometimes wilder than fiction LOL And I still think it's a travesty Kilmer wasn't nominated for more awards playing Doc. It's one of my all-time favorite performances.
unfortunately gen z tends to try and define the past through its own self imposed logic, doc was actually a legitimate doctor, practising dentistry in many towns, so the nickname doc was actually legit. Also Wyatts relationship with Maddie was doomed because of her addiction to the opium, and Wyatt wasnt coming home to her smelling of another woman, he was loyal for as long as his patience with her addiction would allow! *also the revenge was always a part of this entire thing, the Earp vendetta ride really did happen, and he really was out to kill the cowboys as a legally appointed US marshall, he deputised the otehrs in his small posse!
@@Devanite13 Gen Z's sometimes miss out on the larger points of some movies bc they get focused on certain social dynamics they have been programmed to object to.
Maddie was a prostitute that Wyatt dragged along with him, most likely, partly out of pity and partly because that meant that he always had someone to screw when he wanted/needed it (didn't have to go looking for it). However, they never exchanged vows and "common law" marriage is more of a modern concept. Legally, it WAS recognized in 1877, but only if it was recognized in the state you were living in, and he DID get to Tombstone in 1879, but Arizona did NOT recognize common law marriages (nor does it today). Wyatt DID allow Maddie to state they were married, for appearances, but he was literally free to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted and was not obligated to Maddie in any way. Her addiction is what sealed her fate with him. However, Wyatt never cheated on Maddie, with Josie (Josephine) or anyone else for as long as he was "with" Maddie, and Maddie was long gone before he ever got together with Josie. In fact, he didn't even get together with Josie until he caught up to her again in San Francisco ... (I think it was about) a year after they left (separately) Tombstone.
"I'm your huckleberry..." Fun Fact: Val Kilmer practiced for a long time on his quick-draw speed, and gave his character a Southern Aristocrat accent. The southern accent is an authentic touch, as Holliday was a cousin (several generations removed) of "Gone With The Wind" author Margaret Mitchell. Western Connection Fact: The excerpt from William Shakespeare's "Henry the V" that is recited by Mr. Fabian is the same passage that Dutton Peabody speaks to himself while walking down the street in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962), which I highly recommend. Historical Fact: The line quoted by Doc (Val Kilmer) at the end of the fight at the OK Corral is historically true, and was reported in the Tombstone papers reporting the fight. As extraordinary as the scene is in which Wyatt kills Curly Bill Brocius in the creek, it is true. During the shoot-out in the creek, when Wyatt kills Curly Bill, the next person he shoots is Johnny Barnes. As in real life, Wyatt shoots Barnes in the stomach. However, Barnes was not killed on-site. He managed to escape, and died in a farmhouse. However, before dying, he told the story of how Wyatt really did walk into a hail of Curly Bill's gunfire unscathed, walked right up to Bill, and shot him point blank with both barrels of a double-barreled shotgun.
Please stop saying "fact". The fact that you have to keep saying fact makes it seem like you are NOT giving facts, but are trying to convince us of something. Now, saying that, I KNOW what you have said are facts, but you don't have to keep saying it. Let us assume you are factual without hearing you repeat it, ad nauseum. You could have said everything without ever once using the word. We would assume from your description that those comments were true. If you wanted to stress the fact that they were facts, quote the facts and give a reference after the quotes, like, "Conflict follows wrongdoing as surely as flies follow the herd." - Doc Holliday, 1883 Or ... "You might be surprised to learn that Doc Holliday actually spoke the line in real life too. Hollywood wasn’t taking liberties with the truth this time. The team creating Tombstone worked hard to keep things as authentic as they could." - TheTexasCountry.com Origin: texashillcountry.com/truth-meaning-doc-holliday-huckleberry/
So there was actually a lot drug use. Wyatt’s wife was drinking laudanum which contained opium. She was high or having withdrawal most of the movie. Curly Bill the guy in red was high on opium when he shot the Marshall. I saw elsewhere he was actually friends with the Marshall and was so wasted he didn’t realize he killed him. It’s why he was still talking to him after he shot him. Finally Doc was suffering from tuberculosis. Granted he did drink a lot but it was the tuberculosis that was killing him. It may have been why he was willing to risk his life so easily for his one good friend, Wyatt. He was already a dead man walking.
Also, in the montage of Wyatt's Immortals going around killing Cowboys, one reaches for what (in a drug addled haze) he thinks is an opium pipe---but is a pistol barrel.
Doc had tuberculosis and they say it in the opening monologue. Unfortunately it seems like too many reactors miss key moments in these movies because of not paying attention. I get that you guys have to do commentary but maybe dial it back a bit. Also it's always funny when all of you see a famous actor and you guys are like oh hell I didn't know they were in this movie. Don't you folks watch opening credits where they list the actors.
Yes I’ve said that same thing before. I know because of You Tube and copyright they have to make commentary but too often important things get missed. Just like in Stand By Me, Richard Dreyfus is reading the paper that clearly states that Chris Chambers got killed.
"Kurt Russel has incredible plot armor." That's Wyatt Earp. Many witnesses report he would walk calmly into a fire fight picking people off, bullets would rip up his clothes, but he never was so much as scratched.
@@kossakken Yeah, I wish people would stop trying so hard to use catch phrases and clichés. They are often grossly overused or misused, and ... is there something wrong with just speaking plain English ??? One of my new pet peeves is "Fun Fact(s)" ... my God, can people please stop already ??? It's usually neither "fun" nor a 'fact" !!! Like the man used to say ... "Try to pay attention to the language we all agreed on." - George Carlin
@@adamskeans2515 Oh, I get it ... that was a drive-by shooting, and you took a shot at me ... ha, ha, ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please ... stop 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ... cant ... breathe ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ... ha, ha, ha ... you're SUCH an ignoramus !!!
Shakespeare Fun Fact! Plays were enjoyed by all classes it was very big business. The upper class watched new plays with large production budgets and expensive tickets. Upper middle class people watched those plays late in the first run when ticket prices were lower. For the aspiring middle class it was local productions (copies) of popular plays on a lower budget. Finally the working middle and lower class watched old plays and Shakespeare was very popular. Most lower class people could quote their favorite Shakespeare plays from front to back. It was the nouveau riche industrials rising from the working class who brought Shakespeare to the upper classes, and radio plays (and later TV) would complete the divorce.
Fun fact: The scene at the creek happened, and several of the Cochise County Cowboys related the tale that Wyatt Earp about walked into the middle of that creek and never got hit once.
"Im your Huckleberry" Val Kilmer Tombstone 1993. This qas the first western movie I saw growing up in the 90's. It has an amazing ensemble cast: Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Michael Biehn, Bill Paxton, Jon Tenney, Billy Bob Thornton, Dana Delaney, Thomas Haden Church, Powers Boothe, Robert Burke, Sam Elliott, Stephen Lang Joanna Pacula, Jason Priestley, Michael Rooker, Billy Zane, Charlton Heston. Narrated by Robert Mitchum.
If you ever find yourself in southern AZ, I highly recommend a trip to Tombstone. There is nothing like seeing that place with your own eyes. The OK Corral is a pay site to get into these days, but seeing Boot Hill Cemetery and the Birdcage Theater is really something. The Oriental still stands as well. Out of all the places there, the place that really gave me the creeps was the Birdcage Theater. There is no question that it's haunted. Pictures I took there showed lots of orbs and many pictures were inexplicably fuzzy in some spots. The cemetery tombstones had some pretty funny inscriptions also. "Here lies Lester Moore, four slugs from a 44...no Les...no more". The spot where Curly Bill gunned down Fred White is also marked by the road where it occurred. Other westerns you should check out are "Unforgiven", "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" both with Clint Eastwood and "Silverado". I think you'd like them a lot. John Wayne made numerous good ones also.
Why do so many young reactors miss that bit in the first opening narration where they explain that Doc Holiday has tuberculosis and that was why he moved west, for the dry climate that was easier on his lungs? And by the way, laudinum is wine heavily laced with opium.
Yeah and thank you. She really talked about Doc having a series of conditions when he only had one main condition he suffered from: TB. He was talked about like a dog by this reactor when his condition was made at the beginning.
The real life Wyatt earp was never even grazed by a bullet in his entire life. Wyatt wouldn't get shaken in a gunfight and he could aim and hit his target while the other guy was panicked and missing. He said in a gunfight you have to take your time but do it in a hurry. He also said that Doc Holiday was the best with a gun that he ever saw.
Wyatt was the luckiest gunman ever. Both him and Curly had double barrel 12gauges loaded with triple aught buckshot (basically a fist-full of .32s firing at the same time), and they were 50feet from each other before Wyatt let loose both barrels. Anything at that range became ground chuck. And when he tried to ride away, his gun belt slid down his legs hobbling him around his knees. So all the while this is happening, Curly's boys kept on shooting at him. Finally, after getting his belt up, Wyatt rides back to his buddies and that's where he found his coat shredded on both sides from triple aught buck and .45s, three holes through his pants, his saddle horn sheared off, the heel of one of his boots shot off, five through the crown of his hat, and three through the brim. His guardian angel was working overtime that day.
Not entirely historically accurate, the movie nevertheless gets the bulk of the story right. The shooting at the OK Coral, that technically happened 6 doors from the rear entrance of the Coral, lasted a mere 30 seconds with about 30 bullets shot, meaning that everyone who shot emptied his barrel. 3 of the outlaws were killed and Doc and Morgan were wounded (with Wyatt about the only one left unhurt). There was also a vendetta that Wyatt, Doc and a group of lawmen exerted against the gang after Virgil was permanently disabled by a shotgun blast and Morgan was murdered. The end having Doc telling Wyatt to go for it with Josephine is just historically not true as Josephine was Jewish and Doc Holliday was an antisemite. Earp also had relation with a businessman by the last name of Jaffa (Jewish) and Holliday had seen Earp kiss the mezuzah (the little box with passages of the torah that jews kiss when entering a house) in sign of respect when visiting the house of Jaffa and later Doc accused Wyatt of being: "a Jew-boy" which ultimately lead to their falling out and going their separate way. But he was an outgoing personality, good with a gun and with cards who would easily go into fights. The performance of Val Kilmer has been singled out as the stand out in the film (as well as Kurt Russel) and many people think Kilmer should have had at least an Oscar nomination. Still, Tombstone is one of the defining westerns of the 90's and now a revered cult classic.
The fight where Wyatt walked out of his hiding place and all the cowboys missed him actually pretty much went like that in real life. Wyatt was never shot by an opponents bullets in any of his shootings, the only time he was hit was from a miss fire of his own gun.
Val Kilmer’s Doc Holliday is one of my favorite movie characters of all time!! I’m your huckleberry. There was one reaction where the guy did no even recognize it was Val Kilmer as Doc until the river shooting scene becuz he recognized him as Ice Man from Top Gun
Doc Holliday had tuberculosis, which was an treatable, and could not be cured in those days at all. He was in a sanitarium at the end of his life, which was high in the Colorado mountains, and at that time was deemed best for people with acute and incurable tuberculosis. He did drink a lot, and he did smoke, but he did not have lung cancer :-)
The speech that the artist guy made inspired them because it's about having courage and dying with your brothers in arms. The most important parts of the speech were left out of the movie so you don't get that context as to why they loved it so much, unless you know the speech already.
To add to some of the facts that are listed here in the comments, the gunfight at the creek, Wyatt had the horn of his saddle and the heel of his boot shot off , he also had bullet holes throughout his coat and pant legs. When Morgan was shot in the back, Wyatt was in the bar seated against a wall and a bullet just missed his head. Wyatt had two other brothers also living in Tombstone at the time , the youngest brother in the family joined Wyatt on his vendetta ride ..
In general, I like your reactions. If I can give you one critique, it's that you tend to miss things relevant to the story because you're talking through them, then it comes up again later and you either misunderstand or ask a question that has already been answered, but you had talked through it and missed it.
This was a brilliant reaction to one of my favorite westerns. Val Kilmer should have gotten an Oscar for his performance. He was also great as Jim Morrison in The Doors, the story of the iconic '60s rock band. "I am the lizard king. I can do anything." He was also great in the Ron Howard directed fantasy Willow. He met the woman who later became his wife on this production. Kurt Russell is a versatile actor. He is also a lawman in Bone Tomahawk a horror/western. In Death Proof he is Stuntman Mike. This is a Tarantino directed dark comedy/thriller released on a double bill with Planet Terror as Grindhouse. He is also great in Overboard, a comedy co-starring his wife, Goldie Hawn. Bill Paxton was taken from us too soon. Please, take a look at his movie Frailty. He directed as well as stars in this horror/suspense/family drama with Matthew McConaughey and Powers Boothe (Curly Bill). Once Upon a Time in the West, The Dollar Trilogy, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Dances With Wolves, Hostiles, Little Big Man, and Shane are all wonderful westerns. Good viewing.
@Shree Nation And sorry to hear about your uncle, my mother died of covid back in 2020, all alone in her apartment, my younger brother and me found her the next day after she wasn't answering her phone. Even though she wasn't the best to us, still sad that she went like that. And I don't think Billy was romantically in love with the actor, I think it was probably platonic. I loved another man like that years ago, he was my old high-school best friend. I wasn't attracted to him, wasn't interested in anything romantic with him or men period, but he was the closest thing to being the love of my life. He made me better in so many ways, we were inseparable, thought we would grow old together, I'd have went to hell for him if he asked, and he did, which made me realize such love and devotion isn't always reciprocal. It's funny me being a lover of women of all things another man to show me that, taking years after to realize what I was even feeling. I think living under this white supremacist patriarchal capitalist system in the US we are only taught that true love, soul mates, etc can only be romantic. Look at Doc Holliday in the movie, he loved Wyatt to the point he was dying and still rode out by his side for Wyatt's "reckoning", to stop genuinely bad people, to where even Wyatt was like "what are you doing, bro, you should be resting". I was probably like Doc when it came to my old friend, was there for him through thick and thin even when I probably shouldn't have been. I don't know, I've recently just started thinking about these things, and this movie sort of hits differently now
Wyatt Earp was a real person, and there are more movies about him than this one, one has Kevin Cosner. However, this movie missed some parts of his story. 1. In all the gunfights that Wyatt Earp had in his life, he never had a single scratch made by a bullet. 2. Instead of drinking in the tavern he prefers to spend his time in the ice cream store eating ice cream.
I recommend "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" with Clint Eastwood, the movie that changed the landscape of Westerns. The director Sergio Leonie introduces the spaghetti western(made in Italy) and with it the Anti-Hero Hero, a character that comes across as a bad guy, but has just enough redeeming qualities(as compared to those around him) to be considered a good guy at the end. Prior to these westerns it was always easy to tell good from bad; white hat wholesome John Wayne type good guys and black hat, scruffy, dirty bad guys.
Doc had tuberculosis NOT liver issues. He got it from taking care of his mother and sister who both died from it. (They literally mention it in the movie and people never pay attention.)
The reviewers always miss the full statement surrounding the "very cosmopolitan" shooting. He said, the man crawfished a bet and called me a liar. That means he backed out on a bet. The shooting wasnt over being called a liar. Humidity? In A R I Z O N A? Doc had TB.
McMaster didn't like hurting women, that why he turned away when they took the Bride. Since they were taking out or trying to take the wives. He decided he has enough, that why threw his sash down. He was done with the Cowboys if they are maliciously taking on the women just hurt the Earp's and Mayor
Also, IRL Doc was a dentist before moving west. And he met Wyatt Earp in Texas at a saloon where Wyatt was cornered by several men, Doc saved him. They went to Colorado together I think, then met up again later in Arizona. F'ing legends.
The big gunfight at the OK Corral between the Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday on one side and the Cowboys on the other is one of the few shootouts that really happened in actual history. Due to the excitement such rare events generated, they became commonplace in Western movies.
You'd be surprised how easy it is for people to miss a target while firing a pistol, especially under stress like being shot at. It takes some practice to be consistently accurate.
One of the best Westerns i ever watched was Once Upon A Time In The West with Henry Fonda and Charles Bronson. Its a very long movie but its worth the time to watch it.
5:42 "It's the... it's the dude I saw in _Ghost Rider_ and the guy I saw in _Aliens_ _and_ _Twister."_ Oh, goodness. Yes. The late Bill Paxton. You've also seen him in _Apollo 13._
Love your channel. Consider watching "Unforgiven," "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid," "Dances With Wolves," and "The Outlaw Josey Wales" -some of my favorites.
Woman thats why I love your commentary.... I saw this movie as a kid when it first got released and have seen it at least 40 times since then if not more hahaha and i have never ever thought about what Ringo quoted in the bible about the pale horse being ridden by death and hell following with him...and as you now know it was doc brought death to ringo. Good shit Shree! shout out from Mexico.
There are a lot of myths and legends mixed with fact, but the burning church was a historical coincidence, it really was on fire the day of the shooting. Some facts were ignored so the heroes here wouldn't look quite so bad. When trouble really started brewing in Tombstone, the men sent their wives away. Wyatt took the opportunity to immediately marry the actress and never sent for common-law wife Mattie to return. Later Mattie tried resuming her former profession as a boomtown prostitute, but the boomtowns were over. Later she died of the drug overdose. Their campaign against the Cowboys wasn't quite as law and order as presented here. After the crusade was over, Wyatt fled to California to avoid murder charges. Plot armor: Wyatt charging those shooters, that supposedly happened. But again, myths and legends. One more weird historical fact: Doc's companion Kate was commonly called Big Nose Kate. She didn't have a big nose, but rather she was known for sticking her nose in other people's business.
As for what western to see next, you've already seen two of the best: "Tombstone" and "Blazing Saddles." :) There are a lot of good westerns, some of them made more recently, like in the last 40 years. "Unforgiven," "3:10 to Yuma," "Open Range," "Dances with Wolves," "True Grit," and maybe a few more. The golden age of westerns came to a close around the late 60s / early 70s. A lot of people still watch the Clint Eastwood "Dollars trilogy" of 3 unconnected movies, concluding with "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
17:25 "Ooooh. He said some _slur..._ in _Spanish."_ Nope. Latin. It was 1879. Educated people, at least in the US, made a pastime of studying _Latin._ Doc Holliday said _one_ thing in Latin which wasn't really significant, but it indicated that _he's_ an educated man, and Johnny Ringo replied with something _else_ in Latin to indicate that he is _too._ Doc Holliday said, "In vino veritas," which means, "Under the influence of alcohol, a person tells the truth." Ringo replied, "Age quod agis," which means, "Do what you are doing."
50:18 Ever since that scene in which Johnny Ringo drew his gun and then started twirling it, Doc knew he was faster than Ringo. That’s why Doc responded by mocking him by twirling his drinking cup in perfect reproduction of Johnny’s moves. Doc knew that Ringo wasn’t a threat to him. But he also saw no need to let Ringo know just how fast he could draw. Doc was half drunk, suffering from tuberculosis but knew he could out draw Ringo. When Ringo saw how well he replayed his moves with the cup, he knew he couldn’t beat Doc. That is why he initially tries to talk his way out of this duel.
She's not just drinking. It's laudanum, an opium based liqueur. She's an ex-prostitute and now a junkie. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve our sympathy but the story is not fully developed. We get glimpses but we are not privy to Wyatt's efforts to steer her towards a less self-destructive path. Try not to judge with so little knowledge.
@Shree Nation I dd didn't see if anyone clarified for about the scene where the Cowboy was shooting at the moon and then shot the Marshall, but there was a part you slightly misunderstood. At first the good citizens wanted to string him up for the murder and Wyatt deciding to get involved so that the Cowboy in the red shirt didn't get away with this murder, but Wyatt being a former law man would only do it the lawful way but that's not the point I'm saying you missed. The point you missed was After the one citizen said they wanted to hang him the Cowboy the Cowboys gang starting with IKE CLAMPTON told Wyatt to set their fellow Cowboy free and of course Wyatt was not going to let this Cowboy go free with his gang without arresting him for the murder so then the rest of the Cowboys proceeded to try to surround Wyatt and try to intimidate Wyatt into setting their fellow gang member scott free that's when you see the Cowboy gang member IKE CLAMPTON Threaten to have him and the rest of the gang members tear Wyatt apart if he didn't set their gang member loose which is when he pointed the gun to IKE CLAMPTON's head an told him that "your gang might get me by rushing me but not before I turn your head into a canoe" see the gang didn't want their gang member to face any punishment at all. But when the citizens wanted the Cowboy to hang they made the comment "string him up" but Wyatt told them the man would stand trial for the murder following the law the citizens accepted that as good enough but right then the Cowboys stepped in to try to force Wyatt not to arrest him for the murder he had just committed. Just wanted to clarify because I saw you unknowingly for a minute accidentally supporting IKE CLAMPTON and the Cowboys demanding Wyatt to "turn him loose" as IKE CLAMPTON was saying. I enjoyed your reaction though
Well HEY Shree...I was hoping to See-You-Again soon, before My Birthday next week (May the 1st, to be exact). It's been a while since I last saw this Great Movie, but I'm looking forward to it! You might also want to consider "Open Range" from 2003, now that's one Helluva Western...🤠
@@ShreeNation Oh...Well that's Wonderful Shree, I'm Happy for You! However, You may not be so happy to hear this...I caught My Dad's Flu last week, and now I'm really Sick. IDK if I'll be "up" for today's Premiere after all...
It's really disappointing how many reactors don't listen to the beginning of the movie. And start guessing what's wrong with Doc. If they would have listened they'd know he has tuberculosis. And Maddie is a drug addict. She died of a drug overdose shortly after leaving Tombstone. And apparently you did not understand what Wyatt Earp stood for with his brothers. They are law men. They didn't just go vigilante justice like the cowboys. Wyatt was not drove to that untill they killed his brother and disabled his other brother. Read your history books. This is very very close to being a true story of Wyatt Earp.
No plot armor needed for Wyatt, somehow he was never wounded by gunfire during his lifetime. Maybe he had super powers 😂 Western recommendations Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood or The Magnificent Seven (I’d advise watching the original Kurosawa film Seven Samurai first)
Glad you enjoyed the movie like a lot of us did. If you rewatch you'll pick up a few more things. You'll get lots of suggestions for westerns and there is a verity of styles, but I'll recommend one with some humor in it to mix it up a little: "Destry Rides Again" (1939). If you watch "Dances with Wolves" you'll want to get comfortable. It won 7 Oscars but it is a long one. Director's cut is almost 4 hours but you may want to stick to the original just because of the time thing. It is only 3 hours.😛 Whatever you do, have fun. We all get a kick out of others watching for the first time.
@Shree Nation I dd didn't see if anyone clarified for about the scene where the Cowboy was shooting at the moon and then shot the Marshall, but there was a part you slightly misunderstood. At first the good citizens wanted to string him up for the murder and Wyatt deciding to get involved so that the Cowboy didn't get away with, but Wyatt being a former law man would only do it the lawful way but that's not the point I'm saying you missed. After the one citizen said they wanted to hang him the Cowboys starting with Ike told Wyatt to set their fellow Cowboy free and of course Wyatt was not going to let this Cowboy go free with his gang without arresting him for the murder so then the rest of the Cowboys proceeded to try to surround Wyatt and try to intimidate Wyatt into setting their fellow gang member scott free that's when you see Ike Threaten to have him and the rest of the gang members tear Wyatt apart if he didn't set their gang member loose which is when he pointed the gun to Ikes head an told him that "your gang might get me by rushing me but not before I turn your head into a canoe" see the gang didn't want their gang member to face any punishment at all. But the citizens when Wyatt told them the man would stand trial for the murder following the law the citizens accepted that enough before the Cowboys stepped in to try to force Wyatt not to arrest him for the murder he had just committed. Just wanted to clarify because I saw you unknowingly for a minute accidentally supporting Ike demanding Wyatt to "turn him loose" as Ike was saying. I enjoyed your reaction though
Its not plot armor. Although there is some debate by western historians over what exactly happened at the creek Wyatt Earp was under fire and his jacket had bullet holes in it and he did not get hit. Wyatt was very cool under fire. There are different accounts as to what happened. One said account was Wyatt and the others road in and were ambushed. Wyatt got up and saw Curly and shot him. He then ran back hopped on his horse and road off with the others under a hail of gun fire. Later when he inspected his coat it had several holes in it. The exact location of the fight has been in debate but recent findings and surveys of the area historians now believe they found the location which at least verifies some of Wyatt Earp's claims about the gun fight there.
Serious wester recomendations: Clint Eastwood´s: Pale Rider, High Plains Drifter, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven. And Special bonus: The Wild Bunch Modern post Tombstone: 3 : 10 to Yuma, Open Range, Spaghetti westerns: anything From Sergio Leone. Comedic Westerns: Maverick with Mel Gibson. Korean "western:" The Good, the bad, the Weird
Fun fact: Frank Stilwell tried to surrender in real life. Wyatt snuck up behind Stilwell and scared the latter so much that he dropped his gun. Stilwell then put his hands in the air and said something to the effect of, “Let’s go see the judge, lawman.” Wyatt killed him right then and there. A warrant was issued for the arrest of Wyatt for that incident. After the events depicted in the movie, Earp had to leave the Arizona territory to escape the warrant.
“Just a drunk piano player, your so drunk your probably seeing double.” -Random Person “ I have two guns, one for each of ya “ - The legend Doc Holliday
I'm sorry to hear how your uncle died, but I am glad to know how he lived, & how you shared with & remember him. I love Doc & this movie but I've seen so many reactions. I was glad to hear I have a chance 2 still leave a positive impact having no kids, my niece & nephew being my life, & my brother & their mom never spending time with them.
Sit down ,take some time, and learn more about the " GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K CORRAL " because you seem to miss out on a hold lot. Which is what the movie is about.
🤠👍 If you're looking for another A-list western, "Unforgiven" (1992) with Clint Eastwood and Morgan Freeman is a good one. It's amazing that Kurt Russell has now been starring in movies for 60 years. His first was "It Happened At The World's Fair" in 1963. If you want to watch a fun movie with Sam Elliott (Virgil) in it, check out "The Big Lebowski" (1998). His narration is one of the most entertaining aspects of the film. Of course, Val Kilmer's first two films, "Top Secret" (1984) and "Real Genius" (1985) are both must-sees.
Great film, best role for Val Kilmer, followed only by Shiherlis in The Heat. And since you've gotten one more bite of the Kurt Russell filmograpgy, I insist you check out 1998 Soldier.
I promise I'm not just trying to be politically opportunistic here... but the point you made about the cowboys not giving up their guns just because a law was written is indeed a major part of the argument that we gun rights advocates make here in America. The reason shootings happen here at schools so often is because the shooters know there aren't any guns there that could shoot back at them. Our last shooting was absolute proof of that fact in that the shooter left documented testimony to the decision for the eventual target because the first one "had too much security" (translation, there were guns there). In this instance, that school that had security indeed saved countless lives as a deterrent alone.
The burning house was not lit by the Cowboys. Structure fires were the biggest threat to frontier towns. There were no fire departments. Most likely caused by a kerosene lamp.
I have been enjoying your personality during reactions since I discovered your channel a few days ago. The one point of constructive criticism I would offer is to not talk during dialogue. Viewers get "agitated" when they feel you missed the information given during those moments. I wish you success with your channel and enjoyment in the viewing experience.
First, a movie suggestion: THE QUICK AND THE DEAD. Directed by Sam Raimi, starring Sharon Stone, Russel Crowe, Gene Hackman, and Leonardo DiCaprio. You will love it. Second: a few notes about this movie. 1. Wyatt's wife was an opium addict, which is why their marriage was falling apart. Laudenum was an opium medication that people tended to abuse because it was highly addictive. So don't be too hard on Wyatt because he was dealing with an emotionally abusive junkie who was nothing like the woman he married. 2. The other two guys with Wyatt throughout this were his brothers Virgil and Morgan Earp, not just friends. 3. Ike Clanton was a weasel of a man who tended to be in the middle of trouble when it brewed in that region. He was the one who got in Wyatt's face to try to free Curly Bill when Curly Bill got stoned and shot the Marshall. The citizens wanted a hanging. Wyatt wanted a trial. The Cowboys, Ike included, wanted no repercussions at all for Curly Bill. And yes, as the movie said, Ike got stabbed in a bar fight later on. 4. Doc Holiday had tuberculosis, not lung cancer. Liver damage, however, could be argued as he was a notorious drinker. 5. Doc's common law wife, a Hungarian outlaw known as "Big Nose Kate", was pretty close to this portrayal (except not quite as physically "Hollywood" pretty) and did indeed enable Doc while he was greatly in need of rest and laying off booze, tobacco, and sex. She was an alcoholic herself, and after she had a fight with Doc, Sherriff Beehan (the guy with all the jobs) bribed her with booze to sign an affidavit accusing Doc of robbing a stagecoach and killing the driver and passenger (which the Cowboys did, and Beehan wanted to protect them). Doc was arrested, and wasn't set free until the Earps found witnesses who testified on his behalf proving he was nowhere near the stagecoach when the murders happened. Kate then faded in and out of Doc's life, eventually marrying someone else after Doc died. 6. Some old west slang: "smoke wagon" = gun, "skin" = draw from holster, "lunger" = tuberculosis victim, "go heels" = carry a gun/gunbelt.
"Nobody's bullets are hitting him?!" 🤣🤣🤣 Before barrel rifling and standardized ammunition, firearms were wildly inaccurate for a variety of reasons. It's why most shootists carried at least two revolvers. Heck, the conical aerodynamic bullet (without metal cartridge) was only a late Civil War invention and wouldn't get widespread for years.
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In answer to a few of your questions:
1. Wyatt's common law wife Mattie was addicted to opium. When you read about the history of their relationship, it seems to have been a mess both ways from the beginning sadly - very toxic.
2. Doc Holliday suffered from tuberculosis for much of his life. Despite that and his heavy drinking, he was known for his skills at cards and as a gunfighter.
3. As amazing as it seems, the movie's version of events closely matches reports from people who were at the creek when Wyatt took down Curly Bill. Truth is sometimes wilder than fiction LOL
And I still think it's a travesty Kilmer wasn't nominated for more awards playing Doc. It's one of my all-time favorite performances.
unfortunately gen z tends to try and define the past through its own self imposed logic, doc was actually a legitimate doctor, practising dentistry in many towns, so the nickname doc was actually legit. Also Wyatts relationship with Maddie was doomed because of her addiction to the opium, and Wyatt wasnt coming home to her smelling of another woman, he was loyal for as long as his patience with her addiction would allow! *also the revenge was always a part of this entire thing, the Earp vendetta ride really did happen, and he really was out to kill the cowboys as a legally appointed US marshall, he deputised the otehrs in his small posse!
@@Devanite13 Gen Z's sometimes miss out on the larger points of some movies bc they get focused on certain social dynamics they have been programmed to object to.
Maddie was a prostitute that Wyatt dragged along with him, most likely, partly out of pity and partly because that meant that he always had someone to screw when he wanted/needed it (didn't have to go looking for it). However, they never exchanged vows and "common law" marriage is more of a modern concept. Legally, it WAS recognized in 1877, but only if it was recognized in the state you were living in, and he DID get to Tombstone in 1879, but Arizona did NOT recognize common law marriages (nor does it today).
Wyatt DID allow Maddie to state they were married, for appearances, but he was literally free to do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted and was not obligated to Maddie in any way. Her addiction is what sealed her fate with him. However, Wyatt never cheated on Maddie, with Josie (Josephine) or anyone else for as long as he was "with" Maddie, and Maddie was long gone before he ever got together with Josie. In fact, he didn't even get together with Josie until he caught up to her again in San Francisco ... (I think it was about) a year after they left (separately) Tombstone.
truth is indeed sometimes wilder than fiction. Just look at the unkillable soldier
They say the thing at the river really happen
"I'm your huckleberry..."
Fun Fact: Val Kilmer practiced for a long time on his quick-draw speed, and gave his character a Southern Aristocrat accent. The southern accent is an authentic touch, as Holliday was a cousin (several generations removed) of "Gone With The Wind" author Margaret Mitchell.
Western Connection Fact: The excerpt from William Shakespeare's "Henry the V" that is recited by Mr. Fabian is the same passage that Dutton Peabody speaks to himself while walking down the street in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962), which I highly recommend.
Historical Fact: The line quoted by Doc (Val Kilmer) at the end of the fight at the OK Corral is historically true, and was reported in the Tombstone papers reporting the fight. As extraordinary as the scene is in which Wyatt kills Curly Bill Brocius in the creek, it is true. During the shoot-out in the creek, when Wyatt kills Curly Bill, the next person he shoots is Johnny Barnes. As in real life, Wyatt shoots Barnes in the stomach. However, Barnes was not killed on-site. He managed to escape, and died in a farmhouse. However, before dying, he told the story of how Wyatt really did walk into a hail of Curly Bill's gunfire unscathed, walked right up to Bill, and shot him point blank with both barrels of a double-barreled shotgun.
Nice! Thank you for letting me know :)
You're welcome!
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Please stop saying "fact". The fact that you have to keep saying fact makes it seem like you are NOT giving facts, but are trying to convince us of something.
Now, saying that, I KNOW what you have said are facts, but you don't have to keep saying it. Let us assume you are factual without hearing you repeat it, ad nauseum. You could have said everything without ever once using the word. We would assume from your description that those comments were true. If you wanted to stress the fact that they were facts, quote the facts and give a reference after the quotes, like,
"Conflict follows wrongdoing as surely as flies follow the herd." - Doc Holliday, 1883
Or ...
"You might be surprised to learn that Doc Holliday actually spoke the line in real life too. Hollywood wasn’t taking liberties with the truth this time. The team creating Tombstone worked hard to keep things as authentic as they could." - TheTexasCountry.com
Origin: texashillcountry.com/truth-meaning-doc-holliday-huckleberry/
Wyatt gave Doc the greatest gift he could've gave him: despite dying young, he immortalized Doc forever with his story.
So there was actually a lot drug use. Wyatt’s wife was drinking laudanum which contained opium. She was high or having withdrawal most of the movie.
Curly Bill the guy in red was high on opium when he shot the Marshall. I saw elsewhere he was actually friends with the Marshall and was so wasted he didn’t realize he killed him. It’s why he was still talking to him after he shot him.
Finally Doc was suffering from tuberculosis. Granted he did drink a lot but it was the tuberculosis that was killing him. It may have been why he was willing to risk his life so easily for his one good friend, Wyatt. He was already a dead man walking.
Thank you for the info :)
Also, in the montage of Wyatt's Immortals going around killing Cowboys, one reaches for what (in a drug addled haze) he thinks is an opium pipe---but is a pistol barrel.
If I thought that we weren't friends anymore, I don't think I could bear it, :Doc Holliday
Doc had tuberculosis and they say it in the opening monologue. Unfortunately it seems like too many reactors miss key moments in these movies because of not paying attention. I get that you guys have to do commentary but maybe dial it back a bit. Also it's always funny when all of you see a famous actor and you guys are like oh hell I didn't know they were in this movie. Don't you folks watch opening credits where they list the actors.
Yes I’ve said that same thing before. I know because of You Tube and copyright they have to make commentary but too often important things get missed. Just like in Stand By Me, Richard Dreyfus is reading the paper that clearly states that Chris Chambers got killed.
"Kurt Russel has incredible plot armor."
That's Wyatt Earp. Many witnesses report he would walk calmly into a fire fight picking people off, bullets would rip up his clothes, but he never was so much as scratched.
yeah, she said plot armor, but...THAT HAPPENED! some times reality is too unbelieavable for the movies.
@@kossakken Yeah, I wish people would stop trying so hard to use catch phrases and clichés. They are often grossly overused or misused, and ... is there something wrong with just speaking plain English ???
One of my new pet peeves is "Fun Fact(s)" ... my God, can people please stop already ??? It's usually neither "fun" nor a 'fact" !!!
Like the man used to say ...
"Try to pay attention to the language we all agreed on." - George Carlin
@@StevesFunhouse over react much?
@@adamskeans2515 Nope !!! Mind your own business much ??? Don't bother trying to respond ... it's rhetorical ... I already know the answer.
@@adamskeans2515 Oh, I get it ... that was a drive-by shooting, and you took a shot at me ... ha, ha, ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please ... stop 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ... cant ... breathe ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ... ha, ha, ha ... you're SUCH an ignoramus !!!
Shakespeare Fun Fact! Plays were enjoyed by all classes it was very big business. The upper class watched new plays with large production budgets and expensive tickets. Upper middle class people watched those plays late in the first run when ticket prices were lower. For the aspiring middle class it was local productions (copies) of popular plays on a lower budget. Finally the working middle and lower class watched old plays and Shakespeare was very popular. Most lower class people could quote their favorite Shakespeare plays from front to back. It was the nouveau riche industrials rising from the working class who brought Shakespeare to the upper classes, and radio plays (and later TV) would complete the divorce.
Wow! That's fascinating!
Fun fact: The scene at the creek happened, and several of the Cochise County Cowboys related the tale that Wyatt Earp about walked into the middle of that creek and never got hit once.
When Doc said, it was funny, he was talking about not dying with his boots on (e.g. in a gunfight)
"Im your Huckleberry"
Val Kilmer
Tombstone
1993.
This qas the first western movie I saw growing up in the 90's.
It has an amazing ensemble cast: Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Michael Biehn, Bill Paxton, Jon Tenney, Billy Bob Thornton, Dana Delaney, Thomas Haden Church, Powers Boothe, Robert Burke, Sam Elliott, Stephen Lang Joanna Pacula, Jason Priestley, Michael Rooker, Billy Zane, Charlton Heston.
Narrated by Robert Mitchum.
If you ever find yourself in southern AZ, I highly recommend a trip to Tombstone. There is nothing like seeing that place with your own eyes. The OK Corral is a pay site to get into these days, but seeing Boot Hill Cemetery and the Birdcage Theater is really something. The Oriental still stands as well. Out of all the places there, the place that really gave me the creeps was the Birdcage Theater. There is no question that it's haunted. Pictures I took there showed lots of orbs and many pictures were inexplicably fuzzy in some spots. The cemetery tombstones had some pretty funny inscriptions also. "Here lies Lester Moore, four slugs from a 44...no Les...no more". The spot where Curly Bill gunned down Fred White is also marked by the road where it occurred. Other westerns you should check out are "Unforgiven", "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" both with Clint Eastwood and "Silverado". I think you'd like them a lot. John Wayne made numerous good ones also.
Thank you for the recommendations 😍 Will definitely visit Tombstone if i get the chance!
Why do so many young reactors miss that bit in the first opening narration where they explain that Doc Holiday has tuberculosis and that was why he moved west, for the dry climate that was easier on his lungs? And by the way, laudinum is wine heavily laced with opium.
Yeah and thank you. She really talked about Doc having a series of conditions when he only had one main condition he suffered from: TB. He was talked about like a dog by this reactor when his condition was made at the beginning.
I don't think ANY reactor has paid attention to the tuberculosis bit. That, and the fact that Wyatt and Maddie are NOT actually married.
17:30 No, darling. That was not Spanish. That was Latin.
Laudanum was a medicine that included opium and was very addictive
44:18 - It's not plot armor. The real life Wyatt Earp was never injured by a bullet in all his gun battles which is what they're showing here.
Johnny Ringo was Kyle Reese in the Terminator.
The real life Wyatt earp was never even grazed by a bullet in his entire life. Wyatt wouldn't get shaken in a gunfight and he could aim and hit his target while the other guy was panicked and missing. He said in a gunfight you have to take your time but do it in a hurry. He also said that Doc Holiday was the best with a gun that he ever saw.
Wyatt was the luckiest gunman ever. Both him and Curly had double barrel 12gauges loaded with triple aught buckshot (basically a fist-full of .32s firing at the same time), and they were 50feet from each other before Wyatt let loose both barrels. Anything at that range became ground chuck. And when he tried to ride away, his gun belt slid down his legs hobbling him around his knees. So all the while this is happening, Curly's boys kept on shooting at him. Finally, after getting his belt up, Wyatt rides back to his buddies and that's where he found his coat shredded on both sides from triple aught buck and .45s, three holes through his pants, his saddle horn sheared off, the heel of one of his boots shot off, five through the crown of his hat, and three through the brim.
His guardian angel was working overtime that day.
Indeed!
Not entirely historically accurate, the movie nevertheless gets the bulk of the story right.
The shooting at the OK Coral, that technically happened 6 doors from the rear entrance of the Coral, lasted a mere 30 seconds with about 30 bullets shot, meaning that everyone who shot emptied his barrel.
3 of the outlaws were killed and Doc and Morgan were wounded (with Wyatt about the only one left unhurt).
There was also a vendetta that Wyatt, Doc and a group of lawmen exerted against the gang after Virgil was permanently disabled by a shotgun blast and Morgan was murdered.
The end having Doc telling Wyatt to go for it with Josephine is just historically not true as Josephine was Jewish and Doc Holliday was an antisemite.
Earp also had relation with a businessman by the last name of Jaffa (Jewish) and Holliday had seen Earp kiss the mezuzah (the little box with passages of the torah that jews kiss when entering a house) in sign of respect when visiting the house of Jaffa and later Doc accused Wyatt of being: "a Jew-boy" which ultimately lead to their falling out and going their separate way.
But he was an outgoing personality, good with a gun and with cards who would easily go into fights.
The performance of Val Kilmer has been singled out as the stand out in the film (as well as Kurt Russel) and many people think Kilmer should have had at least an Oscar nomination.
Still, Tombstone is one of the defining westerns of the 90's and now a revered cult classic.
True but for Hollywood film this is surprisingly accurate. Not to mention Val Kilmer is beast in this film.
@@thejamppa
Yes, that he didn't get at least a nomination is a travesty.
Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah doc was an anti-semite but he was from the Antebellum South and aristocracy which shouldn't be that surprising.
John "Doc" Holliday was a dentist from Georgia. He died in Colorado six years after the Cowboys were done.
The fight where Wyatt walked out of his hiding place and all the cowboys missed him actually pretty much went like that in real life. Wyatt was never shot by an opponents bullets in any of his shootings, the only time he was hit was from a miss fire of his own gun.
That actually happened. Wayatt Earp crossed that river and didn't get hit once.
I've watched a war game of that encounter and Wyatt doesn't survive.
Val Kilmer’s Doc Holliday is one of my favorite movie characters of all time!! I’m your huckleberry. There was one reaction where the guy did no even recognize it was Val Kilmer as Doc until the river shooting scene becuz he recognized him as Ice Man from Top Gun
Apparently, you forgot in the very first scene of the movie, they mention Doc Holliday has TB. 😉
Doc Holliday had tuberculosis, which was an treatable, and could not be cured in those days at all. He was in a sanitarium at the end of his life, which was high in the Colorado mountains, and at that time was deemed best for people with acute and incurable tuberculosis. He did drink a lot, and he did smoke, but he did not have lung cancer :-)
When Ringo and Doc had their confrontation in The Oriental, they were speaking Latin, not Spanish.
The speech that the artist guy made inspired them because it's about having courage and dying with your brothers in arms. The most important parts of the speech were left out of the movie so you don't get that context as to why they loved it so much, unless you know the speech already.
a group of stars in their golden years. created one of the best Westerns filmed in recent decades.
To add to some of the facts that are listed here in the comments, the gunfight at the creek, Wyatt had the horn of his saddle and the heel of his boot shot off , he also had bullet holes throughout his coat and pant legs.
When Morgan was shot in the back, Wyatt was in the bar seated against a wall and a bullet just missed his head.
Wyatt had two other brothers also living in Tombstone at the time , the youngest brother in the family joined Wyatt on his vendetta ride ..
In real life after the fighting was over. Wyatt took doc up to a hospital in Colorado. Spent he's last days with him. Real friends
DOC,= goat and MVP, good thing it wasn't called the Earp's, because DOC,is the Star ⭐
In general, I like your reactions. If I can give you one critique, it's that you tend to miss things relevant to the story because you're talking through them, then it comes up again later and you either misunderstand or ask a question that has already been answered, but you had talked through it and missed it.
This was a brilliant reaction to one of my favorite westerns. Val Kilmer should have gotten an Oscar for his performance. He was also great as Jim Morrison in The Doors, the story of the iconic '60s rock band. "I am the lizard king. I can do anything." He was also great in the Ron Howard directed fantasy Willow. He met the woman who later became his wife on this production.
Kurt Russell is a versatile actor. He is also a lawman in Bone Tomahawk a horror/western. In Death Proof he is Stuntman Mike. This is a Tarantino directed dark comedy/thriller released on a double bill with Planet Terror as Grindhouse. He is also great in Overboard, a comedy co-starring his wife, Goldie Hawn.
Bill Paxton was taken from us too soon. Please, take a look at his movie Frailty. He directed as well as stars in this horror/suspense/family drama with Matthew McConaughey and Powers Boothe (Curly Bill).
Once Upon a Time in the West, The Dollar Trilogy, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Dances With Wolves, Hostiles, Little Big Man, and Shane are all wonderful westerns.
Good viewing.
Thank you so much, and for the movie recommendations 😍
Billy Bob Thronton's character can never come back to Tombstone again after getting punked out twice the same day
Lol true
@Shree Nation And sorry to hear about your uncle, my mother died of covid back in 2020, all alone in her apartment, my younger brother and me found her the next day after she wasn't answering her phone. Even though she wasn't the best to us, still sad that she went like that.
And I don't think Billy was romantically in love with the actor, I think it was probably platonic. I loved another man like that years ago, he was my old high-school best friend. I wasn't attracted to him, wasn't interested in anything romantic with him or men period, but he was the closest thing to being the love of my life. He made me better in so many ways, we were inseparable, thought we would grow old together, I'd have went to hell for him if he asked, and he did, which made me realize such love and devotion isn't always reciprocal. It's funny me being a lover of women of all things another man to show me that, taking years after to realize what I was even feeling. I think living under this white supremacist patriarchal capitalist system in the US we are only taught that true love, soul mates, etc can only be romantic. Look at Doc Holliday in the movie, he loved Wyatt to the point he was dying and still rode out by his side for Wyatt's "reckoning", to stop genuinely bad people, to where even Wyatt was like "what are you doing, bro, you should be resting". I was probably like Doc when it came to my old friend, was there for him through thick and thin even when I probably shouldn't have been. I don't know, I've recently just started thinking about these things, and this movie sort of hits differently now
When Wyatt shot the guy in the mouth, that was an Opium Den. The Cowboy thought he was smoking from an Opium pipe when Wyatt snuck up on him.
Mando isn't a western. It's an escort mission with a Desert backdrop
Best version of this story.
Wyatt Earp was a real person, and there are more movies about him than this one, one has Kevin Cosner. However, this movie missed some parts of his story.
1. In all the gunfights that Wyatt Earp had in his life, he never had a single scratch made by a bullet.
2. Instead of drinking in the tavern he prefers to spend his time in the ice cream store eating ice cream.
Thanks for letting me know!
I recommend "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" with Clint Eastwood, the movie that changed the landscape of Westerns. The director Sergio Leonie introduces the spaghetti western(made in Italy) and with it the Anti-Hero Hero, a character that comes across as a bad guy, but has just enough redeeming qualities(as compared to those around him) to be considered a good guy at the end. Prior to these westerns it was always easy to tell good from bad; white hat wholesome John Wayne type good guys and black hat, scruffy, dirty bad guys.
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
Doc Holliday was looking at his bare feet when he said, "This is funny." He was a famous gunslinger, and he expected to die with his boots on.
Interesting!
Reminder Shree " QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER " you will absolutely love it...I promise ❤
****SPOILER ALERT****
One of my favorite quotes of all time. "Said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use one".
Yea it's probably Tom's best film, I love the long rifle shots 🤠🏴
Will check it out :)
Doc had tuberculosis NOT liver issues. He got it from taking care of his mother and sister who both died from it. (They literally mention it in the movie and people never pay attention.)
Yep they never do.
The reviewers always miss the full statement surrounding the "very cosmopolitan" shooting. He said, the man crawfished a bet and called me a liar. That means he backed out on a bet. The shooting wasnt over being called a liar. Humidity? In A R I Z O N A? Doc had TB.
Love Val Kilmer, my favorite movie with him, other than this is 'Thunderheart'. please check it out, I'm sure you will love it
Thank you, will do :)
Young guns 1&2 are another of my favorite cowboy movies.
McMaster didn't like hurting women, that why he turned away when they took the Bride. Since they were taking out or trying to take the wives. He decided he has enough, that why threw his sash down. He was done with the Cowboys if they are maliciously taking on the women just hurt the Earp's and Mayor
'That's just my game.' Awesome. Fantastic movie
If you watch Wyatt Earp, with Kevin Costner, they dig deeper into his character and his relationships.
Can't wait!
Also, IRL Doc was a dentist before moving west. And he met Wyatt Earp in Texas at a saloon where Wyatt was cornered by several men, Doc saved him. They went to Colorado together I think, then met up again later in Arizona. F'ing legends.
The big gunfight at the OK Corral between the Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday on one side and the Cowboys on the other is one of the few shootouts that really happened in actual history. Due to the excitement such rare events generated, they became commonplace in Western movies.
Doc saying, "That's funny" while dying. He always thought he would die with his boots on, i.e. being shot and killed.
Haha i see!
Laudanum was powdered opium (morphine and codeine) mixed with alcohol and used as a pain killer. Highly addictive.
You'd be surprised how easy it is for people to miss a target while firing a pistol, especially under stress like being shot at. It takes some practice to be consistently accurate.
One of the best Westerns i ever watched was Once Upon A Time In The West with Henry Fonda and Charles Bronson. Its a very long movie but its worth the time to watch it.
Wyatt's wife was on Opium. Curly Bill was on Opium when he shot the old Marshall.
5:42 "It's the... it's the dude I saw in _Ghost Rider_ and the guy I saw in _Aliens_ _and_ _Twister."_
Oh, goodness. Yes. The late Bill Paxton. You've also seen him in _Apollo 13._
🤭
Love your channel. Consider watching "Unforgiven," "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid," "Dances With Wolves," and "The Outlaw Josey Wales" -some of my favorites.
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
Woman thats why I love your commentary.... I saw this movie as a kid when it first got released and have seen it at least 40 times since then if not more hahaha and i have never ever thought about what Ringo quoted in the bible about the pale horse being ridden by death and hell following with him...and as you now know it was doc brought death to ringo. Good shit Shree! shout out from Mexico.
Thank you so much 🥰🙏
There are a lot of myths and legends mixed with fact, but the burning church was a historical coincidence, it really was on fire the day of the shooting.
Some facts were ignored so the heroes here wouldn't look quite so bad. When trouble really started brewing in Tombstone, the men sent their wives away. Wyatt took the opportunity to immediately marry the actress and never sent for common-law wife Mattie to return. Later Mattie tried resuming her former profession as a boomtown prostitute, but the boomtowns were over. Later she died of the drug overdose.
Their campaign against the Cowboys wasn't quite as law and order as presented here. After the crusade was over, Wyatt fled to California to avoid murder charges.
Plot armor: Wyatt charging those shooters, that supposedly happened. But again, myths and legends.
One more weird historical fact: Doc's companion Kate was commonly called Big Nose Kate. She didn't have a big nose, but rather she was known for sticking her nose in other people's business.
Thank you for letting me know, appreciate it :)
As for what western to see next, you've already seen two of the best: "Tombstone" and "Blazing Saddles." :)
There are a lot of good westerns, some of them made more recently, like in the last 40 years. "Unforgiven," "3:10 to Yuma," "Open Range," "Dances with Wolves," "True Grit," and maybe a few more. The golden age of westerns came to a close around the late 60s / early 70s. A lot of people still watch the Clint Eastwood "Dollars trilogy" of 3 unconnected movies, concluding with "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
I’m your huckleberry… 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻 Tuberculosis. I’m watching the entire video.
It was well known that Doc Holliday was the fastest gun in the West. Johnny Ringo didn't really want any of Doc but he wouldn't back down.
She was not his wife. She was his working girl that he took out of the lineup.
17:25 "Ooooh. He said some _slur..._ in _Spanish."_
Nope. Latin. It was 1879. Educated people, at least in the US, made a pastime of studying _Latin._ Doc Holliday said _one_ thing in Latin which wasn't really significant, but it indicated that _he's_ an educated man, and Johnny Ringo replied with something _else_ in Latin to indicate that he is _too._
Doc Holliday said, "In vino veritas," which means, "Under the influence of alcohol, a person tells the truth."
Ringo replied, "Age quod agis," which means, "Do what you are doing."
50:18 Ever since that scene in which Johnny Ringo drew his gun and then started twirling it, Doc knew he was faster than Ringo. That’s why Doc responded by mocking him by twirling his drinking cup in perfect reproduction of Johnny’s moves. Doc knew that Ringo wasn’t a threat to him. But he also saw no need to let Ringo know just how fast he could draw.
Doc was half drunk, suffering from tuberculosis but knew he could out draw Ringo. When Ringo saw how well he replayed his moves with the cup, he knew he couldn’t beat Doc. That is why he initially tries to talk his way out of this duel.
She's not just drinking. It's laudanum, an opium based liqueur. She's an ex-prostitute and now a junkie.
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve our sympathy but the story is not fully developed. We get glimpses but we are not privy to Wyatt's efforts
to steer her towards a less self-destructive path. Try not to judge with so little knowledge.
Do Henry Holliday was a dentist, he contracted tuberculosis from his mother when he was young and that's what he died of.
@Shree Nation I dd didn't see if anyone clarified for
about the scene where the Cowboy was shooting at the moon and then shot the Marshall,
but there was a part you slightly misunderstood.
At first the good citizens wanted to string him up for the murder
and Wyatt deciding to get involved so that the Cowboy in the red shirt didn't get away with this murder,
but Wyatt being a former law man would only do it the lawful way
but that's not the point I'm saying you missed.
The point you missed was
After the one citizen said they wanted to hang him the Cowboy
the Cowboys gang
starting with IKE CLAMPTON
told Wyatt to set their fellow Cowboy free
and of course Wyatt was not going to let this Cowboy go free with his gang without arresting him for the murder
so then the rest of the Cowboys proceeded to try to surround Wyatt
and try to intimidate Wyatt into setting their fellow gang member scott free
that's when you see the Cowboy gang member IKE CLAMPTON
Threaten to have him and the rest of the gang members tear Wyatt apart if he didn't set their gang member loose
which is when he pointed the gun to IKE CLAMPTON's head an told him that "your gang might get me by rushing me but not before I turn your head into a canoe"
see the gang didn't want their gang member to face any punishment at all.
But when the citizens wanted the Cowboy to hang they made the comment "string him up" but Wyatt told them the man would stand trial for the murder following the law the citizens accepted that as good enough
but right then the Cowboys stepped in to try to force Wyatt not to arrest him for the murder he had just committed.
Just wanted to clarify because I saw you
unknowingly
for a minute accidentally supporting
IKE CLAMPTON and the Cowboys
demanding Wyatt to "turn him loose" as IKE CLAMPTON was saying.
I enjoyed your reaction though
Thank you for clarifying :)
Well HEY Shree...I was hoping to See-You-Again soon, before My Birthday next week (May the 1st, to be exact). It's been a while since I last saw this Great Movie, but I'm looking forward to it! You might also want to consider "Open Range" from 2003, now that's one Helluva Western...🤠
That's right around the corner, happy birthday in advance Tom! Hope you enjoy this reaction :)
@@ShreeNation I'm sure I will...I always Enjoy You, My Friend! 😉💝 Btw, I Love that Beautiful Blue top, in the Thumbnail too!! 💙💙
@@tomhoffman4330 Thank you 🥰 Kinda celebrating a bit of weight loss with new clothes this week!
@@ShreeNation Oh...Well that's Wonderful Shree, I'm Happy for You! However, You may not be so happy to hear this...I caught My Dad's Flu last week, and now I'm really Sick. IDK if I'll be "up" for today's Premiere after all...
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! That's alright, get lots of rest, hope you get well soon enough to celebrate your birthday! 😇
It's really disappointing how many reactors don't listen to the beginning of the movie. And start guessing what's wrong with Doc. If they would have listened they'd know he has tuberculosis. And Maddie is a drug addict. She died of a drug overdose shortly after leaving Tombstone. And apparently you did not understand what Wyatt Earp stood for with his brothers. They are law men. They didn't just go vigilante justice like the cowboys. Wyatt was not drove to that untill they killed his brother and disabled his other brother. Read your history books. This is very very close to being a true story of Wyatt Earp.
No plot armor needed for Wyatt, somehow he was never wounded by gunfire during his lifetime. Maybe he had super powers 😂
Western recommendations Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood or The Magnificent Seven (I’d advise watching the original Kurosawa film Seven Samurai first)
Thank you 🙏
It kills me that no one these days know that this based on history. What are they teaching in school these days?
Pronouns and feelings mostly
Glad you enjoyed the movie like a lot of us did. If you rewatch you'll pick up a few more things.
You'll get lots of suggestions for westerns and there is a verity of styles, but I'll recommend one with some humor in it to mix it up a little: "Destry Rides Again" (1939).
If you watch "Dances with Wolves" you'll want to get comfortable. It won 7 Oscars but it is a long one. Director's cut is almost 4 hours but you may want to stick to the original just because of the time thing. It is only 3 hours.😛
Whatever you do, have fun. We all get a kick out of others watching for the first time.
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
@Shree Nation I dd didn't see if anyone clarified for
about the scene where the Cowboy was shooting at the moon and then shot the Marshall,
but there was a part you slightly misunderstood.
At first the good citizens wanted to string him up for the murder and Wyatt deciding to get involved so that the Cowboy didn't get away with,
but Wyatt being a former law man would only do it the lawful way
but that's not the point I'm saying you missed.
After the one citizen said they wanted to hang him
the Cowboys
starting with Ike
told Wyatt to set their fellow Cowboy free
and of course Wyatt was not going to let this Cowboy go free with his gang without arresting him for the murder
so then the rest of the Cowboys proceeded to try to surround Wyatt
and try to intimidate Wyatt into setting their fellow gang member scott free
that's when you see Ike
Threaten to have him and the rest of the gang members tear Wyatt apart if he didn't set their gang member loose
which is when he pointed the gun to Ikes head an told him that "your gang might get me by rushing me but not before I turn your head into a canoe"
see the gang didn't want their gang member to face any punishment at all.
But the citizens when Wyatt told them the man would stand trial for the murder following the law the citizens accepted that enough
before the Cowboys stepped in to try to force Wyatt not to arrest him for the murder he had just committed.
Just wanted to clarify because I saw you
unknowingly
for a minute accidentally supporting
Ike
demanding Wyatt to "turn him loose" as Ike was saying.
I enjoyed your reaction though
This movie is heavily based upon true historical events I'd say 65% accurate look up gunfight at the O.K. CORRAL
Its not plot armor. Although there is some debate by western historians over what exactly happened at the creek Wyatt Earp was under fire and his jacket had bullet holes in it and he did not get hit. Wyatt was very cool under fire. There are different accounts as to what happened. One said account was Wyatt and the others road in and were ambushed. Wyatt got up and saw Curly and shot him. He then ran back hopped on his horse and road off with the others under a hail of gun fire. Later when he inspected his coat it had several holes in it. The exact location of the fight has been in debate but recent findings and surveys of the area historians now believe they found the location which at least verifies some of Wyatt Earp's claims about the gun fight there.
Serious wester recomendations: Clint Eastwood´s: Pale Rider, High Plains Drifter, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven. And Special bonus: The Wild Bunch
Modern post Tombstone: 3 : 10 to Yuma, Open Range,
Spaghetti westerns: anything From Sergio Leone.
Comedic Westerns: Maverick with Mel Gibson.
Korean "western:" The Good, the bad, the Weird
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
Fun fact: Frank Stilwell tried to surrender in real life. Wyatt snuck up behind Stilwell and scared the latter so much that he dropped his gun. Stilwell then put his hands in the air and said something to the effect of, “Let’s go see the judge, lawman.” Wyatt killed him right then and there. A warrant was issued for the arrest of Wyatt for that incident. After the events depicted in the movie, Earp had to leave the Arizona territory to escape the warrant.
“Just a drunk piano player, your so drunk your probably seeing double.” -Random Person
“ I have two guns, one for each of ya “ - The legend Doc Holliday
51:50 fun fact Stephen Lang the actor playing the cowardly Ike Clanton also played the gung-ho Marine Colonel in Avatar. Dude has quite the range.
I'm sorry to hear how your uncle died, but I am glad to know how he lived, & how you shared with & remember him. I love Doc & this movie but I've seen so many reactions. I was glad to hear I have a chance 2 still leave a positive impact having no kids, my niece & nephew being my life, & my brother & their mom never spending time with them.
Love is all that matters in the end ❤ Your positive impact will leave a lasting impression.
Sit down ,take some time, and learn more about the " GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K CORRAL " because you seem to miss out on a hold lot. Which is what the movie is about.
🤠👍 If you're looking for another A-list western, "Unforgiven" (1992) with Clint Eastwood and Morgan Freeman is a good one. It's amazing that Kurt Russell has now been starring in movies for 60 years. His first was "It Happened At The World's Fair" in 1963. If you want to watch a fun movie with Sam Elliott (Virgil) in it, check out "The Big Lebowski" (1998). His narration is one of the most entertaining aspects of the film. Of course, Val Kilmer's first two films, "Top Secret" (1984) and "Real Genius" (1985) are both must-sees.
Thank you for the recommendations ❤
Great film, best role for Val Kilmer, followed only by Shiherlis in The Heat.
And since you've gotten one more bite of the Kurt Russell filmograpgy, I insist you check out 1998 Soldier.
Hehe, I will :)
What's amazing is all of the times Wyatt Earp faced the guns of criminals he was never struck by a bullet.
Yup. She knows what "work" means. She knows Wyatt is now the dealer at the Oriental.
I promise I'm not just trying to be politically opportunistic here... but the point you made about the cowboys not giving up their guns just because a law was written is indeed a major part of the argument that we gun rights advocates make here in America. The reason shootings happen here at schools so often is because the shooters know there aren't any guns there that could shoot back at them. Our last shooting was absolute proof of that fact in that the shooter left documented testimony to the decision for the eventual target because the first one "had too much security" (translation, there were guns there). In this instance, that school that had security indeed saved countless lives as a deterrent alone.
Side note what they got wrong was that McMasters actually wasn't killed he was there the entire time and helped Wyatt finish the Vendetta
The burning house was not lit by the Cowboys. Structure fires were the biggest threat to frontier towns. There were no fire departments. Most likely caused by a kerosene lamp.
I have been enjoying your personality during reactions since I discovered your channel a few days ago. The one point of constructive criticism I would offer is to not talk during dialogue. Viewers get "agitated" when they feel you missed the information given during those moments. I wish you success with your channel and enjoyment in the viewing experience.
Thanks for the feedback!
First, a movie suggestion: THE QUICK AND THE DEAD. Directed by Sam Raimi, starring Sharon Stone, Russel Crowe, Gene Hackman, and Leonardo DiCaprio. You will love it.
Second: a few notes about this movie.
1. Wyatt's wife was an opium addict, which is why their marriage was falling apart. Laudenum was an opium medication that people tended to abuse because it was highly addictive. So don't be too hard on Wyatt because he was dealing with an emotionally abusive junkie who was nothing like the woman he married.
2. The other two guys with Wyatt throughout this were his brothers Virgil and Morgan Earp, not just friends.
3. Ike Clanton was a weasel of a man who tended to be in the middle of trouble when it brewed in that region. He was the one who got in Wyatt's face to try to free Curly Bill when Curly Bill got stoned and shot the Marshall. The citizens wanted a hanging. Wyatt wanted a trial. The Cowboys, Ike included, wanted no repercussions at all for Curly Bill. And yes, as the movie said, Ike got stabbed in a bar fight later on.
4. Doc Holiday had tuberculosis, not lung cancer. Liver damage, however, could be argued as he was a notorious drinker.
5. Doc's common law wife, a Hungarian outlaw known as "Big Nose Kate", was pretty close to this portrayal (except not quite as physically "Hollywood" pretty) and did indeed enable Doc while he was greatly in need of rest and laying off booze, tobacco, and sex. She was an alcoholic herself, and after she had a fight with Doc, Sherriff Beehan (the guy with all the jobs) bribed her with booze to sign an affidavit accusing Doc of robbing a stagecoach and killing the driver and passenger (which the Cowboys did, and Beehan wanted to protect them). Doc was arrested, and wasn't set free until the Earps found witnesses who testified on his behalf proving he was nowhere near the stagecoach when the murders happened. Kate then faded in and out of Doc's life, eventually marrying someone else after Doc died.
6. Some old west slang: "smoke wagon" = gun, "skin" = draw from holster, "lunger" = tuberculosis victim, "go heels" = carry a gun/gunbelt.
Thank you :)
Wyatt and Maddie were not married. They were just shocked up.
Nice reaction. Another western movie that I know you will enjoy is "Open Range" 2003.
Thank you 🙏
The Earp brothers Wyat, Virgle were both Law men first in Kentucky then in Tombstone Arizona
Doc Holiday was stuck with tuberculosis
"Nobody's bullets are hitting him?!"
🤣🤣🤣
Before barrel rifling and standardized ammunition, firearms were wildly inaccurate for a variety of reasons. It's why most shootists carried at least two revolvers.
Heck, the conical aerodynamic bullet (without metal cartridge) was only a late Civil War invention and wouldn't get widespread for years.
You're right about how bad medicine was then. A prominent General in the US Civil War died from infection from just barking his shin.
I usually lurk without commenting, but I also lost a beloved uncle to covid so I feel compelled to say... I'm so sorry for your loss and that you weren't able to be there at the end. ☹️
Thank you, I'm sorry to hear about your uncle as well :(
You are right. Bill Paxton from Aliens and Twister, but don't forget Weird Science and Terminator.