John Muir Trail JMT permit lottery process step by step (southbound)

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
  • The southbound JMT permit process has changed for 2022. If you are applying for the permit lottery I strongly suggest you watch this video to get a full understanding of the entire process. In the making of this video I applied for and received a JMT permit through the new lottery process and I walk you through all the screens. The process for ACCEPTING your permit after you win the lottery can be quite confusing, so it's important that you watch that part if you are lucky enough to win. Good luck, and let me know if you have any additional questions after viewing!
    Here are the important links I mentioned in the video:
    Website for figuring out which date you should apply for the permit lottery:
    www.nps.gov/yo...
    Map of Yosemite National Park trails and trailheads:
    www.nps.gov/yo...
    Recreation.gov:
    www.recreation...
    Check out my gear list: www.jonallenout...

Комментарии • 129

  • @ericschwartz9982
    @ericschwartz9982 6 месяцев назад

    I followed your instructions and I just received an email indicating that I'd won a permit! On my second attempt, too! Thanks again. Now I'm keeping my trekking poles crossed and hoping my luck extends to a permit for an overnight up/down Mt. Whitney.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  6 месяцев назад

      Wow, that’s great! Enjoy your adventure!

  • @cashstramel3242
    @cashstramel3242 2 года назад

    I won! I can't believe it but I won! Happy Isles here I come! Thanks again Jon I came back to your video for the portion about claiming my permit after winning the lottery. So your video was helpful twice.

  • @natalieho8554
    @natalieho8554 2 года назад +3

    This is the best permit video I’ve watched! Crystal clear explanations.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! Best of luck if you apply for a permit.

  • @danjones4107
    @danjones4107 2 года назад

    Just got my permit today. Your video helped me navigate the acceptance procedures. Thanks

  • @vicmyers431
    @vicmyers431 2 года назад +4

    This is so incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for putting this content out there. Since the change in the permit process kicks in this summer, this is the only source I've seen that really spells things out. I'm hoping to go southbound with my daughter this summer. Hopefully we can score some permits. Thanks again.

  • @craigparrott305
    @craigparrott305 Год назад

    Thank you SO MUCH!! We are trying for summer 2023 and your video was a life saver. Now to win the lotto!

  • @christyperkins8985
    @christyperkins8985 Год назад

    Hi again Jon, thanks to you I WON the lottery on my first attempt!

  • @ericschwartz9982
    @ericschwartz9982 10 месяцев назад

    Great video. I just went through this process for the North Lake/South Lake Loop. As for campsites at 12:27, I just randomly chose some sites. I was stopped twice by very friendly rangers asking to see the permit. They could care less about camp site selection. I'm hoping to through hike the JMT next year. Thanks again and your instructions were spot on and exactly the process I went through for the 6 day/5 night loop.

  • @tenguereche
    @tenguereche 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the detailed information; I did the JMT in 2017 and the reservation system is different now so this video is very helpful;

  • @yazhismith1838
    @yazhismith1838 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for this. Best permit video I've seen.

  • @honeybadgerhikes
    @honeybadgerhikes 2 года назад

    Thank you so much for this video. After watching many videos on how to get a JMT permit, this is THE ONLY ONE that gives information without ALL THE PERSONAL NOISE AND CHATTER dialogue. Just the nuts and bolts of the process in the process.
    (And no annoying music-thank you)

  • @texmexia49
    @texmexia49 2 года назад

    Jon, I wish you hadn’t removed your other video on “How to hike the John Muir Trail without using the lottery system”. It was a great video that I found very useful!

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      I unfortunately had some wrong information that was causing some confusion so I needed to remove it.

    • @texmexia49
      @texmexia49 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside well thank you for your work and effort!

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

    I just got accepted for a June 6 departure. I accepted, hoping to get a better date next week. This is better than my prior, May 29 date, which I will cancel once my new one is accepted. I have been watching the weather channel and would not be surprised if some part of the trail are under 10' of snow by now.

  • @leroymcquay7592
    @leroymcquay7592 2 года назад

    Thank you! Very informative video. I used this informative video a few days ago and WOOHOO!, was just notified that l won a permit!!! Thanks again!!!

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      Congrats! Now the anticipation begins!

    • @leroymcquay7592
      @leroymcquay7592 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside YES SIR!!!

    • @leroymcquay7592
      @leroymcquay7592 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside Well, as life often goes, things have gone wrong with my hopes of hiking the JMT starting August 2nd. My original hiking partner had to bail on me, and now a lady l have recently met who at first thought she could go with me now says she is worried that she is not up to a through hike of the JMT has also opted out. Sooo, after being so fortunate to win a permit on my first try...I too will opt out until next year when l will begin to apply for a another JMT permit. :(

  • @kazber4011
    @kazber4011 Год назад

    Thanks John. Great video! You helped me to save my permit.

  • @LizKidder
    @LizKidder 2 года назад

    THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!!

  • @hollyhopalong7405
    @hollyhopalong7405 2 года назад

    Thank you thank you thank you !
    Applied, fingers crossed👍

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      You are welcome and good luck. I’ve heard from several viewers who were successful so far.

  • @kikionthetrailoflove7036
    @kikionthetrailoflove7036 2 года назад +1

    Very helpful info. Wasn't a trail I had ever thought about hiking, but now I'm really interested in doing the JMT. Have a wonderful Christmas and a great 2022 to you and your family 👍

  • @nicolegiumarra909
    @nicolegiumarra909 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for such a detailed and helpful guide on the new permitting process.

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад +1

    Great video Jon. I really like the week to week format vs. reapplying every 21 days. I will apply for early Sept start hoping I get picked.

  • @scothampton963
    @scothampton963 2 года назад

    Thank you.
    This is the best information out there.
    Great job.
    Because of you and your blog I have was awarded a permit for JMT in July of 2022. Out of Happy Isles.
    With out your video this never would have happened for me.
    Would you have any information on resupply at Onion Valley trail head parking lot bear boxes. I watch a video of hikers picking up their resupply buckets there

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      Thank you! Unfortunately I have not resupplied at Onion Valley and don’t know the details. However, I’m sure someone on the JMT Facebook group would know the answer.

  • @skatman1837
    @skatman1837 2 года назад

    Thanks for a great video explaining this new permit system! I did a walkup permit for next day start from tuolumne meadows in 2016. It was only way I could get in due to time and no lottery wins.

  • @monicaforestell93
    @monicaforestell93 2 года назад

    This is a huge help, thank you!!

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      Thanks, and good luck on your permit. I’ve had several people share that they won the lottery already.

  • @tanvach
    @tanvach 2 года назад

    Thank you clarifying the process! It has been pretty confusing and your explanation is super clear!

  • @thierryarditti7706
    @thierryarditti7706 2 года назад

    A thousand thanks, from Paris, (France). Your explanations. are clear, precise and valuable :)

  • @cashstramel3242
    @cashstramel3242 2 года назад

    Both this and your PCT Permit videos were very helpful. Thank you!

  • @mattdaley56
    @mattdaley56 2 года назад

    Thanks Jon!! Awesome giving us the tips for the new way to apply and for some side tips as well....I just will have to watch this again come February when I actually make the application.

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

    Woohoo! I just got picked to hike out of Lyell on May 29th. Thanks for the tips. 😎

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      Nice! Enjoy the trip!

    • @lightwalker4558
      @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside Thanks. Maybe now I apply for a permit to hike from YV to Lyell for the prior 3 days?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      @@lightwalker4558 I’ve done that trip before. Easy to get a permit and awesome scenery.

    • @lightwalker4558
      @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

      It appears the site has already progressed a week, making it impossible to get my second permit before leaving. I don't think I can accurately predict when I will be done. Hence, I will hope for a walkup permit a few days in advance so I can complete the whole trail in one shot.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      @@lightwalker4558 Did you see my other JMT permit video? You can grab the other permit without using the lottery system.

  • @meghan6438
    @meghan6438 2 года назад

    Thank you for this very informative video! It is easy to follow and lays everything out clearly. As someone who’s applied with no success in the past, I’m still really hopeful for next year!

    • @meghan6438
      @meghan6438 2 года назад

      UPDATE! I won a lottery for August. Major thanks to you helping me make this dream a reality!!

  • @jeffandsuefisker2190
    @jeffandsuefisker2190 2 года назад

    Thank you, Jon. You outlined the process exactly and I was able to get a permit for June 12. Hopefully we'll have a modest snowpack by then. Pine

  • @kennethpride1
    @kennethpride1 2 года назад

    Thanks for the great information

  • @tipshikes3682
    @tipshikes3682 2 года назад

    Thanks for putting out the information you get my sub

  • @bionicdan1959
    @bionicdan1959 2 года назад +2

    Thanks again for a very informative video! It really helps to “see” the entire process. Do you have any information about hiking NB using the JMT?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +2

      I was considering a video on that. We’ll see if people like this one.

    • @bionicdan1959
      @bionicdan1959 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside
      For the Nov 9 PCTA permit lottery, there wasn’t any permits left once I got in. So I’ll try again during the Jan lottery. IF that is unsuccessful, then I’m going to look at what it takes to acquire all the separate permits needed for a thru-hike.
      BTW, your PCTA video was very helpful in preparation for the lottery date.

    • @davidzander7725
      @davidzander7725 2 года назад

      Great video Jon!

  • @geoffreyransom1410
    @geoffreyransom1410 Год назад

    Would love you to do this for 2023!!❤

  • @Sflrex
    @Sflrex 2 года назад

    Jon...really helpful...especially the Donohue Pass info. Thanks.

  • @hikingmule
    @hikingmule 2 года назад

    Fantastic overview Jon! I'm sure this will be very useful to many people. I still think you should have shown the credit card information. haha... 😉

  • @Vanderloo5
    @Vanderloo5 7 месяцев назад

    Thank You Jon. Wondering where to park and parking limitations.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  7 месяцев назад

      I parked at the movie museum in Lone Pine. There was a fee, but it was worth it.

  • @lohyewcheong
    @lohyewcheong 2 года назад

    Thank you very much!!

  • @jamesbadham9665
    @jamesbadham9665 2 года назад

    This first-night-only thing seems incorrect, maybe it works for coming out of YNP. But I'm planning to get onto the JMT by starting up Rush Creek, an easier permit to get, and I twice timed out because I couldn't complete the daily camping form in the allotted 15 minutes.

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

    After trial and error, I figured out that all the text in the Comments field cannot have any returns (Enters) in it. Otherwise, you will get an odd looking error. You also need to tell a bit more about your first night campsite than the name. Good luck!

  • @CzyzAdventures
    @CzyzAdventures 2 года назад

    Great information. Thank you for putting all of this information together

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

    Update: I re-applied and got picked for a June 19 date from Lyell. That may still be early for me so I entered the lotter again, this time w/ 8 entries, hoping to get a start date between June 26-July 2. Instead of submitting 2 date ranges (one from each start point), I entered 8 date ranges (5 from Happy Isles and 3 from Lyell), hoping to get picked again. Something tells me my luck is about to run out. 😉

  • @Viajando6301
    @Viajando6301 2 года назад

    You made my day 💕
    English is my second language and was about to give up. You made it possible for me to fill the application. Gracias amigo💛💛💛
    Can you make for the Grand Canyon 🙏

  • @stevep7785
    @stevep7785 2 года назад

    Really great Jon! Nice work!

  • @johnbaranowski6840
    @johnbaranowski6840 2 года назад

    Thank you!

  • @stefancogurik8209
    @stefancogurik8209 2 года назад +1

    So I just apply for leaving Yosemite valley from happy isles (in my case since I'm three months late, so I'm walking up), then saying I'm exiting from mount Whitney and it's all good if I get it? I was under the impression that there were many permits.
    Thanks! This video has helped clear most of my confusion :)

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      When you talk to the ranger at the walk-up station just let them know what you want to do and they’ll make sure you have the appropriate permit.

  • @jimwolff3823
    @jimwolff3823 Год назад

    excellent video, thamks.

  • @andrewpaisley
    @andrewpaisley 2 года назад

    Fantastic! Jon do you know if you go up Half Dome whether you can then camp at Little Yosemite Valley? Otherwise it seems like a very very long day.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      I don't believe that getting the Half Dome add-on to your permit will change the fact that you can't camp at LYV the first night. As long as you camp past the Half Dome turn-off you are legal, which may even be less walking than backtracking to LYV after you finish Half Dome. Either way, starting at Happy Isles and going all the way up Half Dome in one day would be a long day with all that climbing.

  • @robbailey464
    @robbailey464 2 года назад

    Golden information! Thank you!
    I'm thinking of getting a walk-up permit at Happy Isles. What can you tell me about the likelihood of that? I'm guessing that the permits that don't get picked up by 10am are up for grabs at 11?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      There are permits reserved specifically for walk ups. I got one from Tuolumne Meadows in 2018 showing up at 10:30 a.m. but that was a unique situation due to the wildfires in Yosemite. I think it will vary a lot from day to day and being there early is a good idea.

  • @cooter6490
    @cooter6490 18 дней назад

    We never got checked for a permit

  • @shawnlindsay
    @shawnlindsay 4 месяца назад

    If I want to just do a section hike, Happy Isles to Tuolemne Meadows, which dropdown permit should I choose?

  • @christyperkins8985
    @christyperkins8985 Год назад

    Jon, will this step by step method work for 2023? Thank you for all your help! Happy Trails!

  • @nevilaland7042
    @nevilaland7042 2 года назад

    Hi John!! I followed your steps and applied for my permit today. Question Do I have to repeat the process each week until I get the permit? Thank You so much. I started following you. You have been a great help.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      Yes, you need to keep going until you get the permit.

  • @cathleenkevinkinne2774
    @cathleenkevinkinne2774 2 года назад

    This is a terrific step-by-step guide! Thanks so much. If you win the lottery for four permits and one of the four can't start on the official starting date, can that person join the other three somewhere past Donahue Pass or do all four people have to start on the same day? Also, if one of the original three has to hop off trail after Donahue Pass for a work commitment, can that person start back up where they left off a few weeks later?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      You may want to call a ranger and ask these questions because I don't see them addressed specifically in the regs. My hunch is that it would not be allowed, but they may be willing to go with it.

  • @rogerkeating2839
    @rogerkeating2839 2 года назад

    Hey Jon-Great video with excellent advice! Thank you! Also, just thinking about the odds of getting a walk up permit at Happy Isles. Do they hand them out in the order of arrival?

  • @tourguidechuck
    @tourguidechuck 2 года назад

    Thanks man! I was going nuts trying to figure this out! BIG question!!! I WON the lottery but my trailhead is Illilouette. Does that mean they gave me a permit for a trailhead I can't use? I have until tomorrow to decide. Not sure what to do. Drat!

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      Unless they changed something very recently, you need Happy Isles or Lyell Canyon to go over Donohue pass. Not sure what happened.

  • @mattiegoodie
    @mattiegoodie 2 года назад

    Does anyone know if you max out your choices (8) and put LYV (Donahue Pass Eligible) for all 8 of those choices, will that help/hurt your chances?

  • @MrJesperPoulsen
    @MrJesperPoulsen 2 года назад

    Can you make a video about walk up permit. If I arrive in Yosemite at 8:30 pm, can I sleep in front of the visitor centre. If there is less than 6 persons. Am I then guaranteed a permit. What are the hours of the centre.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      I’ll need to research this one. I do know that the number of people can vary a lot from day to day and by time of year.

  • @craigregan159
    @craigregan159 2 года назад

    Thank you for a very informative video. In the past there is been an option to request a larger group size but specify that you are willing to accept fewer slots if there are not enough available for your initial request. Has this option been eliminated?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      I’m not sure. You may need to call and ask.

    • @craigregan159
      @craigregan159 2 года назад

      @@jonallenoutside Okay, thank you!

  • @jbm744
    @jbm744 Год назад

    This is a great resource, do you have any insight on joining trail south or north of JMT. Seems like you can skip lottery this way?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      As long as you don’t go over Donahue Pass you can skip the SOBO lottery. For example, get a permit for the Rush Creek trailhead and hike to the JMT south of Donahue.

    • @jbm744
      @jbm744 Год назад

      @@jonallenoutside thanks for the info, will probably pursue both and hope for a lottery slot in my window.

  • @scothampton963
    @scothampton963 Год назад

    Your video are great
    Are you aware of any permit changes for 2023?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      It’s always a good idea to check the website, but I did review the regulations a few months ago and saw no changes for 2023.

  • @sullavabitch
    @sullavabitch 2 года назад

    How do I go about packing, what amount for this trail? How do I prep until refilling stations. How many refilling stations are there?
    I want to do this but need a lot of help and information.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      There are many resources available online to help you plan your hike on the JMT. I suggest doing extensive research and planning ahead of this hike.

  • @brianmcleer
    @brianmcleer Год назад

    Hello, thank you for this helpful video. If starting from Lyell Canyon TH, where would you recommended camping the first night if trying to go 8-12 miles the first day?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      The night before your hike or your first night on trail?

    • @brianmcleer
      @brianmcleer Год назад

      @@jonallenoutside First night on the trail.

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      @@brianmcleer Once the flat part ends and you start ascending you’ll see plenty of great spots.

  • @lightwalker4558
    @lightwalker4558 2 года назад

    If you start at Lyel, can you day hike the northern part the day before or after the hike to complete the entire trail?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      People have done it, but it’s a very tough hike to do in one day. I did it over three days and two nights as a separately permitted hike the year after I did the JMT. The permit was easy to get.

  • @mjirving29
    @mjirving29 2 года назад

    Maybe I missed it, but what are the options for group size if any?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад +1

      I’m not aware of any limit on group size (aside from total permits available on a given day) but as group size goes up, your chance of winning goes down.

  • @PerfDayToday
    @PerfDayToday Год назад

    13:19 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @user-jd7dp5om8t
    @user-jd7dp5om8t 2 года назад

    Is there a way to contact you? I have some questions I'm hoping you could help me with re John Muir Trail.

  • @mjg918
    @mjg918 2 года назад

    So Jon, did you get a permit for PCT next year?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  2 года назад

      I did not apply. Planning on some other hikes instead.

  • @raymaroney8355
    @raymaroney8355 2 года назад

    👍☮

  • @dilippatel3268
    @dilippatel3268 11 месяцев назад

    wow so confusing

  • @solukhumbu911
    @solukhumbu911 Год назад

    hi jon , isnt april-may a little too early to book the JMT trail? wudnt higher yosemite still be full of snow>????

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      If you are referring to my example, I just did that for purposes of this video and then immediately cancelled the permit. It would be highly dangerous to attempt the JMT in April.

    • @solukhumbu911
      @solukhumbu911 Год назад

      @@jonallenoutside oh ok, thanks for clarifying that. Just as I suspected. But if i can ask your opinion on when is the earliest "safe" date to start the JMT or backpack a few nights in the high sierras?

    • @jonallenoutside
      @jonallenoutside  Год назад

      @@solukhumbu911 That varies every year based on snowpack and weather. Bear in mind the weather can change quickly. In most years you can avoid snow with a start date in late July or early August.