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The way Ben is standing and kneeling when giving me Landscaping advice is better then the Home network ever gave me.... He needs to do more Landscaping videos.... there ive said it... There is something comforting about a "crazy man" giving landscaping advice
Wow this brings back memories! My first production job was at a shop that had a mix of these HVX200s (and their descendents) and the big shoulder mount HPX370s. Those P2 cards were super expensive, but at the time were a breath of fresh are compared to tape or disk based cameras. I joined right at the start of the DSLR revolution with the 5D Mk II gaining prominence as a video camera and it was really cool to see the acceleration of camera tech. In fairly short order we picked up AF100s with their "large" micro 4/3 sensor and soon after that the C100 with an even bigger sensor and great Canon color science. That was a really cool time to have entered the industry. We went from cameras that had to be transported in giant trunks to cameras with massively better image quality that could fit in a small bag.
Also the elimination of "logging and capturing" from the post production workflow was incredible. That used to take nearly as much time as the editing itself.
We have a bunch of P2 cameras in our college that are used regularly even now. It is absolutely clear that the dynamic range is limited and the video comes out looking slightly... soft and low quality for some reason. (Could be bitrate, could be compression, don't know). But I knew a guy from college who made this absolutely gorgeous short film with a P2 camera (don't know which), that was shot mostly in low light yet came out looking almost noiseless and crisp. I don't know what magic he performed on it in post, and he never told me, so...
Used mine for 8yrs until I finally retired it in 2016. The format helped me work with multiple layers of FX back when the Consumer AVCHD format taxed PC's of circa 2007. Also the cards are beasts and I never had a file go bad. The cards were not cheap. $1700 for each of the 2 32gig cards I used, I think I paid 5K for the camera. I use much cheaper setup now but I do have nostalgia for the old HVX200.
We bought one of those Sony miniDV HDV camcorders in 2006… thing was not cheap, and it was still squarely a consumer device, but it was a nice one for sure! There was nothing else on the market that was recording in 1080 at that time…. Blu Ray had *barely* just came out, stations really weren’t broadcasting in HD, and most video-based TV productions weren’t even being recorded in HD. So it really felt cutting edge for the time. Now so many years later everyone can record 4K with the phone in their pocket, but I can’t get hold of a working HDV deck or camera to transfer any of those tapes over!
I got sucked into the enthusiastic landscaping part and finally snapped out of it thinking wait, why am I watching a landscaping video!?!? Oh right. Anyway thanks for the informative and interesting video. Im about to start shooting with one of these thangs for fun. The p2 cards are on the way now.
If anyone has ever thought "did a bunch of Americans sit down and decide to make the language sound different just to annoy non-Americans," _yes, that's exactly what happened._ Not kidding.
At my TV station, we're still using Panasonic P2 and Sony SXS cards... We're an ABC affiliate and still running 720p (since ABC is still 720p currently). We'll probably follow whatever ABC ends up doing (probably 4K in the next couple of years).
I remember these cameras well. Almost bought one but the cost of the P2 cards and the maximum record time, a the time, was the limiting factor. I ended up going for the Sony EX1 which offered SxS cards which were also expensive but had longer recording times. Fun fact. Open up a P2 card and you'll find four Panasonic SD cards.
Early ones, yeah! I've had 16 and 64 GB cards apart, and they're flash chips on a custom board. "Micro P2" cards are literally just U3 SDXC cards with Panasonic logos on them.
@@needfuldoer4531 Ah, cool. I was wondering if they ever transitioned to custom boards. I should say I actually did have a P2 camera for awhile that I bought used. Sold it awhile later. Still have the EX1 though, but I don't shoot much with it anymore.
@19:18 OMG... Is Ben drinking again? Panasonic Cameras were amazing. My first camera was a Panasonic. The quality of recording and the lenses were amazing. I had to buy a computer with a FireWire to process the videos, but I it was painfully slow. The only issue I didn't like about my camera was the fact that, I wasn't able to charge the battery AND use the camera at the same time.
I used to record on hdv - it didn't have loss but like any kind of tape you'd still get dropped frames because of run off the mill tape dropout. Somewhat rare, but it happened.
Hi. I've got a Sony DCR-TRV320 Digital camcorder, It's been used mostly for vacation video, but now I 'm having trouble playing back tapes. The tape inside is moving, but there's no picture or sound coming from the playback. Keep in mind that this is a very old device, and Sony tech support suggested I buy a newer model as they no longer service this device. You can't even buy the tapes for them in the stores or online (eBay doesn't count). Any idea what the cause may be and what I can do about it?
Sometimes I wonder why interlaced video actually survived the introduction of HD digital video. From what I understand television always used mpeg compression. So why would you reduce datarate by introducing interlacing instead of just turning down the datarate of the encoder? Wouldn't that have resulted in much more even quality?
Interlacing lets you get away with smaller frame-buffers on some of the equipment in the chain since you only need to store one field at a time. A digital cable or satellite box for example would only need half the frame-buffer size for 1080i over 1080p. There's other benefits but those can mostly be had by lowering the framerate to maintain progressive scan or lowering resolution to maintain frame rate with the added bonus of reducing artifacts from de-interlacing in fast moving scenes.
I'm buying this cam for shooting a documentary. It might seems stupid to use this one for these days, but I can't afford more. I've been shooting black metal music videos on my smartphone, pretty dope shoots I say but for this documentary I would like to use a camera which I've found this
It's always been a silent L for me with solder too! Probably picked it up from my Hoosier dad. I believe my high school used this camera or something similar in my junior and senior year 2006-2008 for the daily news but at a low resolution because HDTVs were super expensive and no way public schools could afford them back then.
I was curious to buy this one, found a guy who sold it for $450, but for $450 its a hassle to figure out what the heck you need to get that dv tape into the computer and also how long can you record on a 16gb card, 2min?
Ben can you do a video explaining how some tvs look normal and some look like real life? Sorry I can't explain it more than that. Is it the soap opera effect? Motion smoothing? Can you do a video on that?
Firewire could do anything anyone bothered to write for it, as it was a full-fledged network Layer 1/2 system. (This could actually be a bad thing on a Windows machine. Desktop Windows computers would sometimes get confused about what to do with multiple network connection, and they didn't come with configuration tools to sort that kind of problem out.)
Pretty sure that HDV only could record interlaced video natively, to get progressive video it required tricks like PsF (progressive segmented frames) which recorded progressive in interlaced tape. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_segmented_frame
Those are all ‘NTSC’ frame/field rates of course, not glorious ‘PAL’ 25/50 frame rates! DV25 and XDCAM are still common ‘codecs’ for broadcast file formats. For P2 they are still used professionally and usually required a special drive and software to load into the NLE (non-linear editor). On the subject of ‘4K’ (or more accurately ‘UHD’, as there is a difference between cinematic 4K and broadcast UHD), a lot of live events are captured in 4K and then may be simulcast in downconverted HD and 4K. A lot of non-live content is still captured in 4K, even if it will never be broadcast in that format, of course streaming services is an entirely different matter. Another factor in broadcast cameras is there ability to capture and convert light, often referred to by the ‘f-stop’ reference, plus the HDR curve they can deal with - so don’t think your average low cost ‘4K’ camera is comparable with a proper broadcast (or cinematic) 4K camera. Slo-mo is also an entirely different subject, which as well as impacting your storage, also relies on the capabilities of the sensor and camera processing to be ‘true’ slo-mo. The abilities of the lens and sensor to capture/process light also becomes more critical.
Usually the Sony DV Handycams can't record video to the memory stick. Some models like HC96 can but only in low resolution and low bitrate (240p if I remember correctly) which looks a lot worse than the DV footage on the tape (480i NTSC or 576i PAL). I've never tried to record to the memory stick with the HC96 because MiniDV tapes are cheap and the picture quality is decent unlike the low bitrate 240p
I thought that camera looked kind of familiar...I remember checking that bad boy out when we were doing the big possum shootout and thinking it was the coolest thing...Then had to laugh pretty hard upon hearing how the camera cost something like 5x what it cost to make the movie itself XD
I wish I spoke French but it was not meant to be maybe not as good as Big-Red that is used for making 8K videos, with the small DVC cassette and it is a 90 you get 90 minutes or if you select a lower quality it longer REC/PLAY.
Revisiting this video again since it appeared in my recomended section. It's a shame that the Panasonic's general video quality is better than a much younger cheap consumer Sony cx-405. Yes, the Panasonic is on the soft side, but my Sony does not look like 1080p at all. And the colors are washed out. I might look in to replacing the sony (since I am allready selling it) with one of these. It will still be a B cam so it doesn't have to be the best.
So the camera didn't support HD-SDI output so you could just use it as a dumb camera head and record to an offboard HDD like a cheap BlackMagic? I'd expect those to be much more available than 1394-based recorders.
I was previously watching you bus snooping 2600 and wondered if you had seen this thread stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14398&start=30&hilit=purple+tube it is doing instruction decode and debugging and can do it just by reading the data bus on a BBC Micro (6502A), although, I think it does trigger off one other (clock) signal.
us skate filmers love our P2 Cams even today!! I'm rocking the hpx-170 n I love it :)
Came for the tech, stayed for the landscaping advice.
I still use the HVX200/HPX171. Great cameras!
Ben The Sodderer
"RUclips's algorithm will support this video" - yep, just showed up at my home page, no idea how
"You can go to Menards" = filmed in Midwest. Lol. So true though. When I lived in Indiana, Menards was always the first choice.
You'll save big money!
You’ll save big money!
When you shop Menards!
Plumbing, electrical appliances too!
The saving will always come right back to you!
You'll save big money!
You'll save big money!
When you shop Menards!
SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS!
The landscaping part was really educational.
The way Ben is standing and kneeling when giving me Landscaping advice is better then the Home network ever gave me....
He needs to do more Landscaping videos.... there ive said it...
There is something comforting about a "crazy man" giving landscaping advice
Wow this brings back memories! My first production job was at a shop that had a mix of these HVX200s (and their descendents) and the big shoulder mount HPX370s. Those P2 cards were super expensive, but at the time were a breath of fresh are compared to tape or disk based cameras.
I joined right at the start of the DSLR revolution with the 5D Mk II gaining prominence as a video camera and it was really cool to see the acceleration of camera tech. In fairly short order we picked up AF100s with their "large" micro 4/3 sensor and soon after that the C100 with an even bigger sensor and great Canon color science. That was a really cool time to have entered the industry. We went from cameras that had to be transported in giant trunks to cameras with massively better image quality that could fit in a small bag.
Also the elimination of "logging and capturing" from the post production workflow was incredible. That used to take nearly as much time as the editing itself.
I didn’t expect the how to build a flower bed bit but I loved it and I learned many things.
Ben, you are a breath of underproduced fresh air on youtube. Have my upvote.
We have a bunch of P2 cameras in our college that are used regularly even now.
It is absolutely clear that the dynamic range is limited and the video comes out looking slightly... soft and low quality for some reason. (Could be bitrate, could be compression, don't know). But I knew a guy from college who made this absolutely gorgeous short film with a P2 camera (don't know which), that was shot mostly in low light yet came out looking almost noiseless and crisp. I don't know what magic he performed on it in post, and he never told me, so...
I remember this camera. Reliable.
These pre-covid videos are from another world… I miss travelling to where other people live, and working with them on stuff in their workshops…
I loved this video. There's just something about a couple of absolute legends going totally off-the-cuff...
Let’s get some more of Ben’s Landscaping Tips
I picked up a Canon XA15 not too long ago. Love it. Nice entry level prosumer camera. It's crazy how small these camera are getting.
Used mine for 8yrs until I finally retired it in 2016. The format helped me work with multiple layers of FX back when the Consumer AVCHD format taxed PC's of circa 2007. Also the cards are beasts and I never had a file go bad. The cards were not cheap. $1700 for each of the 2 32gig cards I used, I think I paid 5K for the camera. I use much cheaper setup now but I do have nostalgia for the old HVX200.
Loved this camera. Used it in the military
Australian SoLderer here. Also he was right in saying it was a 64 G/bit card. 64 G/bit = 8 G/Bytes
Weird how Ben spends his life making videos about electronics, but when it's on someone else's camera, he makes a video about landscaping.
We bought one of those Sony miniDV HDV camcorders in 2006… thing was not cheap, and it was still squarely a consumer device, but it was a nice one for sure! There was nothing else on the market that was recording in 1080 at that time…. Blu Ray had *barely* just came out, stations really weren’t broadcasting in HD, and most video-based TV productions weren’t even being recorded in HD. So it really felt cutting edge for the time. Now so many years later everyone can record 4K with the phone in their pocket, but I can’t get hold of a working HDV deck or camera to transfer any of those tapes over!
Oh man, throwback. Always “pack and black” your blank tapes!
Taste of Texas is an amazing dining experience! Maybe I’ll catch you next time you’re in Houston
20:47 “of which I own many” BOSS
I got sucked into the enthusiastic landscaping part and finally snapped out of it thinking wait, why am I watching a landscaping video!?!? Oh right. Anyway thanks for the informative and interesting video. Im about to start shooting with one of these thangs for fun. The p2 cards are on the way now.
"The English language sucks" - no, just America's grasp of it.
(We love you really.)
If anyone has ever thought "did a bunch of Americans sit down and decide to make the language sound different just to annoy non-Americans," _yes, that's exactly what happened._ Not kidding.
@@moosemaimer no, the soft R of the Brits, Aussies, and Kiwis developed post American Revolution as did standard dictionaries and most slang
19'26"....Regrettable acting... Haha! Very entertaining video! Love your work, Ben.
Finally someone telling Ben how to pronounce soLder :-)
Hvx- 200 filming skateboarding with it best thing I’ve used
At my TV station, we're still using Panasonic P2 and Sony SXS cards... We're an ABC affiliate and still running 720p (since ABC is still 720p currently). We'll probably follow whatever ABC ends up doing (probably 4K in the next couple of years).
SXS is pretty common, I thought? At least with their current cameras. We are just phasing out our XD Cam disc cameras. Bleck!
@@DouglasFish Yep, all the new stuff we buy is SXS, no more P4 purchases allowed.
I remember these cameras well. Almost bought one but the cost of the P2 cards and the maximum record time, a the time, was the limiting factor. I ended up going for the Sony EX1 which offered SxS cards which were also expensive but had longer recording times.
Fun fact. Open up a P2 card and you'll find four Panasonic SD cards.
Early ones, yeah! I've had 16 and 64 GB cards apart, and they're flash chips on a custom board.
"Micro P2" cards are literally just U3 SDXC cards with Panasonic logos on them.
@@needfuldoer4531 Ah, cool. I was wondering if they ever transitioned to custom boards. I should say I actually did have a P2 camera for awhile that I bought used. Sold it awhile later. Still have the EX1 though, but I don't shoot much with it anymore.
That darn thing is 14 years old?
@19:18 OMG... Is Ben drinking again?
Panasonic Cameras were amazing. My first camera was a Panasonic. The quality of recording and the lenses were amazing. I had to buy a computer with a FireWire to process the videos, but I it was painfully slow. The only issue I didn't like about my camera was the fact that, I wasn't able to charge the battery AND use the camera at the same time.
I used to record on hdv - it didn't have loss but like any kind of tape you'd still get dropped frames because of run off the mill tape dropout. Somewhat rare, but it happened.
If you ever get a chance to take a 2/3 shoulder mount P2 camera apart, do it. The HPX600 is about 75% air inside.
Still use it, the color science is amazing as well as the global shutter.
Panasonic used those P2 cards in their Arbitrator series evidentiary dash camera systems too.
Hi. I've got a Sony DCR-TRV320 Digital camcorder, It's been used mostly for vacation video, but now I 'm having trouble playing back tapes. The tape inside is moving, but there's no picture or sound coming from the playback. Keep in mind that this is a very old device, and Sony tech support suggested I buy a newer model as they no longer service this device. You can't even buy the tapes for them in the stores or online (eBay doesn't count). Any idea what the cause may be and what I can do about it?
I see an SD slot on the side. What is that used for?
config only. It was a generation or two later before they started doing P2 recording direct to SD cards
It allowed you to copy settings between cameras.
@@DouglasFish do you know if the Panasonic Micro P2 adapter would work in this camera?... .
Sometimes I wonder why interlaced video actually survived the introduction of HD digital video. From what I understand television always used mpeg compression. So why would you reduce datarate by introducing interlacing instead of just turning down the datarate of the encoder? Wouldn't that have resulted in much more even quality?
Interlacing lets you get away with smaller frame-buffers on some of the equipment in the chain since you only need to store one field at a time. A digital cable or satellite box for example would only need half the frame-buffer size for 1080i over 1080p. There's other benefits but those can mostly be had by lowering the framerate to maintain progressive scan or lowering resolution to maintain frame rate with the added bonus of reducing artifacts from de-interlacing in fast moving scenes.
Bruh we need a update in march. I wanna see mother natures beautiful goodness in that bed.
Hey, I used one of those color Casio calculators in high school.
I hope while you were in Houston he took you to the Goodwill Computer Store. We've got two of them here.
I'm buying this cam for shooting a documentary. It might seems stupid to use this one for these days, but I can't afford more. I've been shooting black metal music videos on my smartphone, pretty dope shoots I say but for this documentary I would like to use a camera which I've found this
Honestly, the footage from this cam is totally fine. The audio is a bit underwhelming, but when has that ever *_not_* been the case for onboard audio?
Mr. van Es also has a little Dutch accent in there as well? Double the algorithm powers.
1:35 oh my look at the wall of parts
They sell P2 to SD card adapters. This thing can live forever!
If you open up a P2 card it's actually full of SD cards.
It's always been a silent L for me with solder too! Probably picked it up from my Hoosier dad.
I believe my high school used this camera or something similar in my junior and senior year 2006-2008 for the daily news but at a low resolution because HDTVs were super expensive and no way public schools could afford them back then.
Maybe PCMCIA to CF adapters using CF cards will be less expensive and work?
we need more home project vids :)
Nothing changes with videography. Back then you had the P2 cards, now we have CFAST/CFAST 2 cards.
I was curious to buy this one, found a guy who sold it for $450, but for $450 its a hassle to figure out what the heck you need to get that dv tape into the computer and also how long can you record on a 16gb card, 2min?
I think sports works with 720p because it's action and that hides the lower resolution.
Was that a belch at 5:55?
Ben can you do a video explaining how some tvs look normal and some look like real life? Sorry I can't explain it more than that.
Is it the soap opera effect? Motion smoothing? Can you do a video on that?
haha great video... and great cam still have one! Still use it!
Firewire could do anything anyone bothered to write for it, as it was a full-fledged network Layer 1/2 system. (This could actually be a bad thing on a Windows machine. Desktop Windows computers would sometimes get confused about what to do with multiple network connection, and they didn't come with configuration tools to sort that kind of problem out.)
I wonder how this camera compares to the Sony F3 HD camera
What about the SD port on the side of the camera, what was that used for?
Think this will be cool to film a skate video with ?
Pretty sure that HDV only could record interlaced video natively, to get progressive video it required tricks like PsF (progressive segmented frames) which recorded progressive in interlaced tape. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_segmented_frame
Was the retaining wall an impression of Project Farm?
give Bud a few empty boxes here and there and he'll be happy forever.
OMG the landscaping video was amazing! HAHA!
Why didn’t you glue the wall cap stones down?
Up here in Canuck land - "Soddering" is the normal way of saying it as far as I know ;)
Those are all ‘NTSC’ frame/field rates of course, not glorious ‘PAL’ 25/50 frame rates! DV25 and XDCAM are still common ‘codecs’ for broadcast file formats. For P2 they are still used professionally and usually required a special drive and software to load into the NLE (non-linear editor).
On the subject of ‘4K’ (or more accurately ‘UHD’, as there is a difference between cinematic 4K and broadcast UHD), a lot of live events are captured in 4K and then may be simulcast in downconverted HD and 4K.
A lot of non-live content is still captured in 4K, even if it will never be broadcast in that format, of course streaming services is an entirely different matter.
Another factor in broadcast cameras is there ability to capture and convert light, often referred to by the ‘f-stop’ reference, plus the HDR curve they can deal with - so don’t think your average low cost ‘4K’ camera is comparable with a proper broadcast (or cinematic) 4K camera.
Slo-mo is also an entirely different subject, which as well as impacting your storage, also relies on the capabilities of the sensor and camera processing to be ‘true’ slo-mo. The abilities of the lens and sensor to capture/process light also becomes more critical.
Do some Sadering.
Ben, reach out to me if you want more info about relevance in broadcast standards and what espn/abc/nbc/any of them are doing their shows at
Ok so I didnt really understand.. is there a way too record onto an Sd card on this camera?
nice, ben has his own cameraman.
What was the SD card slot on the side of the camera by the firewire port for? Could you record to it as well?
u just can store "profiles" users settings. . . as far as i know . .
@@LeonErrante Correct. Though, fun fact, the P2 cards have SD cards inside them as a RAID storage array.
Can you dump from DV to computer through usb?
Bill Strobeck's Excalibur B)
Uma pena eu não entender nada desta língua pois foi bem completo o que se foi falado sobre esta filmadora .
TY for letting kitty free
HDV... mid 90s? I think you're off by a decade ;)
how could i stream de HD signal?. . .fire wire? . . . or rca output?. . . usb?., . . .
Can this camera be used like a web cam?
That dude was definitely smuggling some high quality Australian cat-nip in that bag.
I have the Sony dv handycam, so tiny, I need to get Sony memory sticks to shoot onto. Not even going to risk using the tape drive.
Usually the Sony DV Handycams can't record video to the memory stick. Some models like HC96 can but only in low resolution and low bitrate (240p if I remember correctly) which looks a lot worse than the DV footage on the tape (480i NTSC or 576i PAL).
I've never tried to record to the memory stick with the HC96 because MiniDV tapes are cheap and the picture quality is decent unlike the low bitrate 240p
Why do the P2 cam have a SD slot?
Does anyone know if Ben worked on Possumus Woman?
Dvx100b supremacy
Why am i missing alot of your uploads?
Never seen these movies. All the download links and mirrors are dead. Can someone torrent this content?
So this is the forerunner of my vx870 camera which is 4k and tiny.
I thought that camera looked kind of familiar...I remember checking that bad boy out when we were doing the big possum shootout and thinking it was the coolest thing...Then had to laugh pretty hard upon hearing how the camera cost something like 5x what it cost to make the movie itself XD
Save big money at Menards!
you can use a hvr mrc1 on a hvx200??!!!😳🤯
I only clicked and liked and commented cause of the arrow in the thumbnail
I wish I spoke French but it was not meant to be maybe not as good as Big-Red that is used for making 8K videos, with the small DVC cassette and it is a 90 you get 90 minutes or if you select a lower quality it longer REC/PLAY.
can you record to a atomos ninja
kittyyyyyyyyyyyy
Revisiting this video again since it appeared in my recomended section. It's a shame that the Panasonic's general video quality is better than a much younger cheap consumer Sony cx-405. Yes, the Panasonic is on the soft side, but my Sony does not look like 1080p at all. And the colors are washed out.
I might look in to replacing the sony (since I am allready selling it) with one of these. It will still be a B cam so it doesn't have to be the best.
So the camera didn't support HD-SDI output so you could just use it as a dumb camera head and record to an offboard HDD like a cheap BlackMagic? I'd expect those to be much more available than 1394-based recorders.
I was previously watching you bus snooping 2600 and wondered if you had seen this thread stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14398&start=30&hilit=purple+tube it is doing instruction decode and debugging and can do it just by reading the data bus on a BBC Micro (6502A), although, I think it does trigger off one other (clock) signal.
How did you like my hometown?