Should RUSH ever reform? | Life, death, free will and nostalgia | PHILOSOPHY SUNDAY
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Only if it's you on drums, Andy...wearing a kimono.
I pressed the like button, and I still choose Free Will.
A tripod missing a leg... Rush had a brilliant run for decades and were very influential for me. I can't see Geddy and Alex being creative together without Neil's lyrics. I kind of like what Alex is doing with Envy of None. Move forward and don't look back.
I would love to see Geddy & Alex do something similar to what Gov't Mule did when they lost their bassist Allen Woody. Put out a collection of songs utilizing different drummers in Neil's honor.
now that is a very good idea!!
I was thinking of the same idea.
I saw Geddy a few nights ago and he said Dave Grohl made the same suggestion.
This brought back memories of lying on a beanbag with my first girlfriend listening to La Villa Strangiato (she wasn't a fan, but it was my house). "I can hear your heart beating fast", she said. "Is it beating for me?". "Uh, yeah" I said, not wanting to admit that it was my body preparing itself for Alex's blistering second solo.
Sounds like your first girlfriend dodged a bullet.
😅 great pretender you are
God bless grumpy old men. You're one of us.
Alex and Geddy will tour again but not as Rush. Geddy is quoted in the documentary, " There is no Rush without these other 2 guys".
You totally nailed it with this video on so many levels. ……As a teenager becoming a musician and awakening adult in the late ‘70s 2112, Farewell To Kings and Hemispheres was my university for music, philosophy, art, science, storytelling, LIFE…Neil Peart “ The Professor” was who I aspired to be like.
Love this video Andy. You know I had to watch it. My vote is for Andy Edwards!! 🔥🥁
only if you can be on rhythm guitar too!
Great discourse once again. My vote would be either matt halpern or Danny Carey. I think death wins out tho. The Death of Rock and roll. Early Utopia is prog, no? I guess that's TR's Initiation album tho... cheers!!
Is watching this video I think having a woman be the drummer is a really interesting idea. It would bring new life to the idea of seeing rush. Or either a person of colour. Not just Meg White, but Linda-Philomène Tsoungui who drums for The Mars Volta. Or Dennis Chambers or Thomas Pridgen. That would be most interesting to me and really freshen up the idea of seeing Rush again for me. Great great video
Geddy and Alex back onstage together playing music? Yes, please - if they have new material. Calling themselves Rush? I think most fans would rather they didn't. I'd also hope they'd think about doing stuff that DOESN'T SOUND LIKE RUSH: they never did a wholly acoustic album, for example. And they clearly could - very well.
No need to reboot Rush. I'm a lifelong fan, musician, and self-educated student of philosophy. I'd like to see and hear a new music project from Lee and Lifeson; new drummer, new style, new band. Neil will never be replaced. His impact on Rush was too large and supremely unique. Rush's music is a sonic, lyric, and life-affirming oasis. Well done boys. Well done.
Geddy and Alex should do what they want and if it's called Rush, well, that's what would make cash- it'd cause some fans to get annoyed, others would be happy that the thing rolls on for a bit longer. The substance of the legacy has already happened. So it's whatever. Maybe they'd put on one or two more fun tours- even if Ged's vox is strained (which is as much of an issue as Neil's absence, musically of course).
I was at one of r u s h first concerts in the US. They opened up for Charlie Daniels at the St Louis KSHE kite flying contest which Drew 80,000 people to Forest Park. It was Neil peart's first tour with the band and was fantastic I just wish I didn't get so drunk and high so I could remember it more I was Seventeen at the time. I also saw the great super Group Emerson Lake and Palmer in 1971 on their first tour of the states and I bring this up to suggest that Carl Palmer could very easily take on Neil peart's percussion duties after all he was the drummer that inspired Neil Peart and he was also a fan of Rush. That would be my Preferred Choice or Geddy Lee and Alex lifeson could do by Carl Palmer is doing with the ELP tribute and bring Neil Peart into the band via high resolution video just like Carl does with Keith and Greg😮
I will answer the question before watching the video. And of course this is MY opinion. Alex and Geddy should get together if that's what they want. Should they do it as Rush? No! Get together, with a new drummer, write new music and call the band something other than Rush. This way the drummer will not feel pressured to be a Peart clone. It frees him up to be himself and forge his own path. And we get new music from the guys. To continue as Rush and play Rush songs means getting a Peart clone. What drummer wants to do that? Peart's drum parts are an integral component of the Rush sound. I dare say fans do not want an improviser that is going to change the drumming on Tom Sawyer, Xanadu, YYZ, Spirit of Radio, etc, etc, etc. The people that air drummed at Rush shows want the same fills. Why should a drummer be a clone of another drummer and face the scrutiny attached to it? It's a thankless job. As a longtime Rush fan I have no desire to hear Geddy and Alex with a Peart clone. What's the point?
Mike Mangini for the drum chair in Rush? After all, he's had classical training, his chops are unbeatable and he comes across as a very open and warm hearted guy. Most of all, he'd be supremely creative in his drum parts with a full sense of phrasing, dynamics and orchestration. Just my 2p.
Way to go Andy! You made a video about death, and the ending is very very funny. :)
You are so spot on with all your thoughts, thank you!
Thank you.
Solution- When Primus altered line-up, they altered the band name. If Rush were to keep going as Rush- it would be like the Who without Keith Moon. Still a band; it was Pete's band and no one sang Pete's songs like Roger... but not the same. They might get multiple percussionists (they would need to, to cover it...)- Maybe get Danny Carey, and Mike Bordin. (Matt Halpern as one of the duo). But change the name of the band. Rush-X... (heh- Canadian in-joke referencing Bush/ aka Bush-X)
Just pressed!!!
That I liked/loved this video. You’ll get your money when o get paid. LOL!!!
Coincidences!! So glad to know they’re attracted to you Andy. When you showed the drawing of your dog and brought in the Sherlock Homes coinkydink I was like YES YES YES..Interesting…I could say much more but you brought up that death unimaginable thing and wow. Wait til you’re 65!! Yes, determined….We weren’t here before we popped out of mom. So no fear my friend…Closer to the heart. You’re cracking me up! Gotta press..
Late to this. Great show as expected, but i have to say i saw that Ulver cover and decided to check it out. WOW!
Such a thought provoking and at times saddest (in a good way !) talking head, took me back to my 15 year old self. Thank you. P.s. would you fancy the job
Do we need more new music from these guys really ? They've done enough and surely would not top anything from the past.Time to do something completely different.
Cool Ulver LP up there on the shelf.
Andy, I think you should make a video reasoning why Rush is the greatest rock band ever. You have alluded to this once or twice before, but there is a thesis there for sure.
I would love to hear some new Rush.
Andy I mean this and I say this from the bottom of my heart you sir are a dork a geek and a nerd😅 however I will continue to listen as long as you have something interesting to say which I'm finding less and less frequently😅
Simon Phillips in a Lee Lifeson project not called Rush with new songs and a Rush section live.
Andy, don't know if you're ever going to read this....just wanted you to know that this video was profound and deep. It really touched my heart. Canadian here on the other line!
I did Jeff...I read all the comments. All my best to you
you're right... agreed with your view
When I was watching this video and at the moment you pulled the Rush LP I happened to glance at the clock time reading on the taskbar of my PC and it was at 21:12. What a coincidence. I think Gavin Harrison could pull off the drumming.
The only people who can decide is THEM, not us. I mean Neil wasn't their first drummer... so.
That last bit was priceless!!😂😂😂
Hi Andy, Really enjoyed your meandering thoughts but I think it's a bit of a stretch to rule out free will just because we're all going to die! The universe might seem deterministic at our everyday scale of perception but it gets a lot fuzzier at lower levels so our freewill and consciousness have a get out of jail card from this mechanical dead end. Anyway ... if Alex and Geddy were to work again as a trio I can't see past Matt Cameron on drums. He did a fine job on Geddy's solo album "My Favorite Headache".
Before they make the Ayn Rand Move and apply for Social Security they might as well work for their Bread.
Only half way through the vid but I agree with everything you've said. I think if Geddy and Alex want to write new music today which would be AWESOME they should just form a new band with a new name. It would take the emphasis off the Neil question and allow them to do what they want and move on to something new which they've done so often through their careers, while still freely referencing Rush and Neil and anything from their past they wish to bring into the music.
For me, Danny Carey would be the obvious choice and Neil certainly liked him. For Rush fans, I think someone Neil would have approved of would be important.
I would love to see them do a series of tribute shows with a variety of drummers involved. Simon Phillips is a great choice, as are Neil's friends Danny Carey, Omar Hakim and Stewart Copeland. I also thought Matt Chamberlain did an excellent job on Geddy's My Favorite Headache album. Andy, I know you're not keen on Crown Lands but a combination of those two chaps with Lee and Lifeson would cover all of the bases (basses?) - including the higher vocals from the band's early days that Geddy can no longer handle effectively.
Let's focus on the important part of this video: Letraset. Philistines will say, you can just print out a font from Adobe etc. That is the not the same. You can bang out a preliminary/test piece on Adobe Illustrator, but virtual drawing is not the same as picking up a pencil or other physical media & making something.
Ulver! I'd like to hear what you make of that. I think they're a truly progressive band...from black metal to folk to trip-hop to whatever the heck Blood Inside is.
Andy, we all can make do with some reforming.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Pressed the Like button 10 minutes before the end.
New material from Geddy and Alex? Yes please! As Rush?.........??????
A little more synchronicity: I was thinking about letting you know the audio was a little 'thin' sounding on this video, then in the end I'm pretty sure it's because you hadn't installed the battery.
Good talk Andy, I have loved Rush since 1977. I think the 70's period Yes is my favourite music but Rush is my favourite band. I agree that they shouldn't go out as Rush without Neil but its up to them. I don't know if you've heard Tim Bowness's album Lost In The Ghost Light? The songs are about the 'Iron grip' that music from our formative years has on fans and musicians alike.
I have heard bits. I am drumming for Tim at the moment too!!!
Virgil Donati. He also plays keys. And a deep thinker, i believe.
he's awesome- I also don't think his approach to the kit is anything like Neil's (it's probably pretty advanced comparatively). Virgil and Sherninan need to cook up some new Planet X stuff
Have you read Ghost Rider? Damn fine book! Really makes one appreciate the man in full.
Determinism is a construct of the human mind to understand. Some don’t want to relinquish to the creator. Just trapped in our humanity trying to figure it out looking everywhere but nowhere all at once. There is freewill, determinism is the illusion.
Ok...but what is your reasoning?
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer the ultimate destination for our physical being is the death of the flesh. Where go beyond is path that we had to choose while in life. The fork in the road. Now making a choice can have consequences ( for you and others as well). Those consequences can looked upon as determined due to your choice. But your choice is still yours to choose. Anyway I’m just another voice in the debate on freewill. Just thoughts and beliefs that I have. You can agree or disagree. I enjoy the discussion
Well said…..
Let me carefully consider that question. [2 seconds elapse] NO.
Jeff Plate, drummer for Trans Siberian Orchestra east live tour. He is the closest to Neil I have ever seen in concert that has a work effort that would work well with Alex and Geddy. He is not a lyricist, so it probably is impossible to find a lyrics writer to put words to new music the way Neil wrote so amazingly insightful.
Aloha I feel Omar hakim would be a great fit for something new🌝
If they can get even better and move on with new songs as Rush then yes. If it’s just to play to the nostalgia ticket then Crownlands are doing quite a good job of that already.
We have free will to choose. Only those choices may be inconsequential.
Agreed. Freewill is a fantastic song (fav solo section) but I think Neil was wrong and none of us have freewill.
Well it is stated in the tune that it's a choice to make and no one is free of responsibility which seems to be the conflation quite often- "I have to do X, there for I'm not free" isn't "freewill" as it's defined traditionally by religious types or as Neil is using it here.
Marco Minnemann or Gavin Harrison would do a great job playing with Alex and Geddy
You could have mentioned Andy ....
To tell the truth, I thought about it, but I didn't want to seem like I was sucking up to him.
@@jjdiazmiro ... doesn't matter , ..I did it 😄
Only ASIA and DEEP PURPLE come to mind with a worthwhile reformation. Could RUSH do it?
They should call it SLOW DOWN
Matt Cameron could play with Rush. He played in Geddy Lee solo album
NO! And because I think this, it will probably happen, but it's their prerogative entirely. I saw them many times in the good years, so I wouldn't go, but if they(the two from Rush) decide to, well good for them. It's all just rock n' roll
I think Todd Sucherman would be a great fit and play those parts to the letter.
Simon Philips or Marvin “Smitty” Smith.
"Should Rush ever reform,?" first reaction was "Are they?" then "who would've thunk it," followed by "don't care." But I decided to give the video a whirl. Lo and behold! It's like a highlight reel of "Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking!"
But that title needs a makeovere "Rush: The Ultimate Deep Dive... Disagree? Prepare to be labeled a tw@t-monkey."
after making 500+ videos I have learnt that to make a video that really discusses death, I need to come up with a click baity title like this....
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Yes I get it, Picked up some some of it. Sorry to hear this. Good luck to you and your family Andy
A version of Rush with any other drummer would be fundamentally different to Rush with Neil. However, the most authentic Rush currently available is 67% of the classic lineup. If they want to do it, I say good luck to them. I would hope that they are sensible enough to make sure anything they do feels comfortable to them and that it serves some artistic purpose for them. A carbon copy of Neil's drumming is not likely to be their aim but I'm not sure how far from his playing style they could go. I would guess that they might consider expanding from a trio and exploring music not "suitable" for the classic Rush. Perhaps we will be treated to their version of Jazz fusion and maybe we will like their new direction. The real question is, Are you up for it Andy?
yes they should, and dave grohl should drum with them....... just like I said back when neil died......
I love nostalgia as much as the next guy but "Eternity remains a constant state." I don't miss the world when I'm sleeping, I won't miss the world when I'm "dead." One of the most important passages in the Bible is "to know God rightly is Life Eternal." Identify Rightly. Happiness and Peace.
Lee, Lifeson, Lang. Band name: Hat Trick (with three hockey sticks for the L's), :)
I think Ringo should join them
Carl Palmer
I don’t want “Rush” to come back with a new drummer, but I would like the Lee-Lifeson tandem to do something new-an album of instrumental rock, for example, with someone like Portnoy who can push them to find new sounds. Yeah, they can throw in a Rush track occasionally, but no tribute tours!
Balls to Mike Portnoy. Respectfully,considering his output, if you like that kind of thing,I don't. That leather-thonged neo metal athletics kind of misses the point of Rush. Omar Hakim and Aimée Mann for a Lee-Lifeson project, cos Geddy's voice left the building a long time ago...
Antonio Sanchez
Are we talking a out new Rush songs or live performances of legacy material? Two completely different things.
Should RUSH ever reform? (before I watch video)
If they want to, but I doubt they would use the Rush name.
Jeremy Clarkson for me, amazing drummer.. he would add some punch.
I too would love to see Geddy and Alex play together but not use the name Rush. It could be a chance for them to do a new project with obviously a new drummer and maybe a keyboard player. It would relieve the pressure & expectation, the fans would know it's not a Rush Mk2 and they could be free to play what THEY want. A bit like how the Page/Plant album wasn't Led Zep.
The death of Peart has forced these guys into early retirement, I'm sure they're itching to play but don't want to disrespect their Legacy.
If they picked up a drummer, recorded a handful of songs and played Rush songs it would cheapen their legacy, don’t think that will happen. What I see happening is the find a drummer maybe a keyboard player or even someone who sings write some new songs and play a few Rush songs that maybe have been tweaked a little for the new lineup. Doubt it would be called Rush in any incarnation though.
Steve Smith.... he would be the guy. No ego, and did "Journey" which was WAY under his artistic grade.
Meg White 🤣 . Nothing against Meg, really nothing, but my guess it's going to be someone like Gregg Bissonette. They'll go for someone 98% reliable and able to follow a brief.
They should leave it as it was. Don’t tarnish the memory. Honor the chemistry.
Annnnd, I’d love to see them play out as a new group. Go ahead, play some rush times, but don’t call yourself Rush.
here's the thing, Alex and Geddy are Rush. Round and round it'd go. It's largely semantics at this point given everyone knows what happened.
No they shouldnt let it be anything more would diminish the overall to some degree I think
If they want. Or just be like the Lee-Lifeson band or something. Of course whatever they call themselves people will still just call them "Rush" anyway. But bands always overthink this like Floyd, Zeppelin, Beatles, etc. It's no more complicated than if you like playing together.. play together.. if you don't like doing that.. don't. Too many artists lose precious years worrying about "legacy" or whatever.
Rush 2.0, marketed as Rush, would be a betrayal of their artistic legacy and integrity. There simply is no Rush without Neil Peart. It doesn't matter how technically accomplished a replacement drummer would be, or the fealty which which they perform Neil's parts - it's not Neil Peart, and it's not Rush.
Beyond that, Geddy's voice is just gone for most of the upper ranges where he was comfortable as a man in his 20s-40s. It's painful to hear him try it.
Now, if they wanted to do tours with other musicians, you know, An Evening of Rush Music, with Geddy, Alex & Special Guests, with a young vocalist, I'm all for that. Just don't do what Ian Anderson has done with Jethro Tull.
Rush was formed in 1968 and Neil joined a band that had a major release in 1975. Point being, it is what it is- betrayal is far too strong
Call it Lee/Lifeson, just like in the sleeves of the past. Then, hire guest-fans of Peart- drummers as a tribute.
And one reason you do these videos? To live on beyond death? I think what you are saying is that if Rush were to get back together (obviously without Neil) - would they be just a pale imitation of their former selves like some kind of tribute band - shattering your nostalgic illusion and in so doing erasing or sullying a part of your adolescence?
Yes but as a new band with new songs as they continue to give the fans nostalgic experiences in live performance. It would greatly honor Neil Peart's legacy to do so IMHO.
Howard Stern recently interviewed Hagar & Co. on a new supergroup tour where Satriani attempts to play a EVH solo but not so well both to show respect as well as let everyone know this band's take on the Van Halen material is going to be dissimilar if itself virtuosic.
I think that says it all & is something even Rush fans can learn from nevermind all of us.
They have every right to come back and tour as Rush. However, I know the fanboys ( yes Rush has many fanboys). The fanboys wouldn't except them. Rush has always been a band of individuals. Fanboys hated both Geddy's and Alex's Solo albums that were that nothing like Rush. There were splits in the fan base once Signals came out. Geddy and Alex are two completely different people now than during the Rush years.. I would love to see Alex and Geddy create new music for their own selves, not for the fanbase.
@@scottmcgregor4829 Ok but Neil Peart had to work his ass off & was permitted to take nothing for granted. If he did he'd be like so many other poets, writers & drummers in the world performing as almost literal puppets.
To be clear I know myself it's hard work to be a good puppet. I don't disparage it. I just cite it to illuminate how much harder it is to be yourself the way Peart was himself. The risk of failure in being sustainably successful at being oneself is MASSIVE!
You know, one way of being a puppet is to be slavish to one's own past successes -- something Peart implicitly asserted in interviews and for which, e.g., Moving Pictures nevermind Permanent Waves or even 2112 would have never happened had he done so.
So yeah granted, Lee & Lifeson have every right to tour & play the hits as Rush. They started the band! But Peart became an essential ingredient for Rush's sound & work as they evolved, and that ingredient was an explicit promotion of change as something to welcome as a friend not fear or disparage.
Lee & Lifeson are a part of that beautiful legacy & helped Peart confront it during his own darkest days with their own strengths. I'm just saying I miss it is all, the everchanging and not strictly nostalgic Rush.
Maybe I'm wrong and/or selfish to feel this way but right now it's how I feel about it.
@@johnnylayton1672 that is the very reason that I think that it's a bad reason for Rush to try another go around as Rush.. older fans hate changes in music. Most so-called fans hated their solo albums went completely different directions musically, many fans stepped off the Rush train in the 80s and early 90s because of the music the musical directions that they took. Geddy and Alex are different people and musicians from our our teen memories. People and drummers to often forget that the master himself Buddy Rich was a child prodigy at age two. He never had to work at being amazing. His best friend Mel Torme. Once said when he was at Buddy's house that. He said " let's mess around on the drums". Buddy in his usual manner said " what?? I don't have any goddam drums around here. Why would I want drums around here.!!??" Mel gave him the captain obvious answer and said " to practice, don't you need to practice??" Buddy just replied "why??". It's true, Buddy never practiced. Year's of practice carries very little weight, when it comes to stature,or deserving accolades.
@@scottmcgregor4829 I seem to have misread or failed to catch any edits you may have made to your first response please forgive me. My last response was a double-down in response to a misperceived counter and instead we are actually in much agreement as mutual Rush fans.
And yeah, Buddy Rich remains my favorite for his muscular yet virtuosic drumming. I don't find a psychological men-feminine dualism & its academic reconciliation compelling for regarding music's importance anywhere near as much as actual men-women unions, and so people like Rich & Peart are easier for me to empathize as mature, full artists as aggressive drummers who rarely if ever show a sensitive side required by say a Norah Jones song despite that it catches my ear also.
I think social media & its feature for engagement however hollow has been a massive shift for media. So many people engaging in it do so now to seek feedback which many older generations would consider a lack of not a futher step in personal development. Were Peart a young man today would he regard individuality so important even having been exposed to Ayn Rand's work?
Who knows but it IS a chink in the armor I tried to construct to defend my own argument -- as Peart himself was unquestionably influenced as an artist by both Rich & Rand.
Nic Collins would be perfect. The celebrity son who isn't necessarily a nobody or a somebody but has the skills to pull it off, yet in a non-aping manner. Would be an interesting thing that would throw people for a loop and be multi promotional and not come off as pathetically pulling an existing celebrity drummer out of one setting to create a stir in another. Plus young vs old energy, and he doesnt seem very gregarious.
🎉STEWARRRT COPELANDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ⚛️
In my opinion after the master work "Permanent Waves" they were already done. So, no.
Geddy and Alex wrote the music, so anything by them in the future is welcome. They are not too old.
I am all for it.
Gavin
Harrison =
perfect!!
🤌🏒🚨🏒🤌
Gavin Harrison for me or going left field how about Larnell Lewis
Or even even Nate Wood...that would be my choice
They could form a new band and call it... ?
Not Rush, but 2/3rd's Rush.
Show more weird stuff from rare albums it’s cool.
Hear something about death how about this presentation😅 with that I'll say good night😅😅
I suspect the no free will thing is just something the academics who want to force Karl Marx (etc etc etc etc, but who's got the time for all those names) to not be wrong.
I might just be a suspicious cynic.
It's OK if I am.
My predetermined gut feel says this is what makes it necessary to fuss about whether there "is" or "isn't" free will. You can ignore it if you like.
What's the Greek word for "lazy"? I'm trying to establish the Lazy Idle Good for Nothings School of Think With Head (new name for phlogiston or whatever that phancy artsy fartsy lah dee bloody dah subject is), but I think it'll sound more important if I use some mutilated Greek in the name.
Especially if I good and proper butcher the pron, nêh?
At first, I took the title of this video to mean "Should Rush reform there political views/change their ways (like on Ann Rynd or something?...or whatever nefarious things they are up to?)" 😂.....I like the quote from Confucius on your banner, the first country that jumps to mind is his country China which contributes nothing to modern art or music
I believe Danny Carey would be the guy