Are Alien Xenomorphs Really No Match for Darth Vader? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill)
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It’s the ultimate sci-fi nerd debate: would the acid blood of Alien xenomorphs stand a chance against the weapon of Jedi and Sith? Kyle answers the burning question on this week's Because Science!
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If a flamethrower is the best weapon possible, then does that mean a 108m tall radioactive lizard who just happens to spew blue radioactive fire from his mouth would be the best weapon of all?
...yes. Godzilla would be the best weapon of all. And yes...Godzilla wins again.
Because Godzilla.
unless ure batman
No, just Elon Musk now.
chuck norris will roundhouse kick the crap outta all of dem dweebs
you sir have just won, my favorite person of the day, because of that comment
MUSK WAATTCH!
I do believe Darth Vader is smart enough realize that after the first one explodes, he would use force repulse to blast the mist away from him, or if he has the ability of force lightning would also work in this instance.
he doesn’t have the ability to use force lightning
I remember when Count Dooku had his hands cut off and exploded into a mist of blood.
You got it: SW is not scientifically accurate, it's not Sci-Fi, it's just FANTASY!
@@_piulin_ it is sci-fi lol
Right don't forget when Vader cut Luke's hand and he exploded into a gory death
when Palpatine told him to dew it, tht was the most hilarious lol
In one of the Vader comics though he is literally crushed by a collapsed building and he uses the force to keep himself alive even though his suit is ruined, so I don’t think he’s suffocate from a hole in his suit straight away.
The xenomorph may still be able to kill him but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as a vaporising acid would burn holes in his suit and suffocate him, and he already survived terrible burns so I really don’t think he’d be killed so easily to be honest.
Nice theory though. Keep it up.
Leah Dragon Agreed, Vader is capable of surviving without his suit for long periods of time by using the force to temporarily heal his lungs. He definitely wouldn't be able to go on without his suit forever but he is still an extremely formidable foe without it. I can't blame Kyle for overlooking this, though. The Star Wars lore is complex and you REALLY have to dive into the lore outside of the movies to truly understand what the Force actually is and how it works. On top of that, you can't really apply much science to the Force. And unless my memory betrays me, Vader's helmet and the control box on his chest control his breathing, so unless he got acid on either of those locations his suit would continue to breath for him like normal. In the event his suit does get damaged too extensively he can go on without it, like you said. Keep in mind I'm going completely off of Legends here, but unless Disney has explicitly overrode something for the new canon I still treat Legends like it's canon. Long story short, I completely agree with you. Apologizes if it seemed like I was drawing that on for too long, I just love to chat Star Wars.
Darth Revan I’m glad someone agrees with me! And you didn’t go on for too long. I tend to do the same about the things I’m passionate about like Star Wars, Pokemon etc. So I understand XD
I love your name by the way!
he's still being forced to breath in acid blood mist... with space asthma...
Joseph Torres he can’t breathe anyway without the use of his suit so keeping himself alive without the respirator would mean he can’t breath and STILL stays alive when he is crushed by a building. Plus when a building falls there’s plenty of dust and shit in the air that can cause trouble with the air ways. He simply doesn’t need to breathe while sustaining his body with the force while his suit is damaged, so your point is moot.
You're talking about a mist that will literally eat away at his suit. Once the suit is gone, his flesh will follow.
If we are taking the alien movie rules into consideration. Why not star wars?
What alien movie rules is he taking into consideration? (Genuine question)
@@cheesestyx945 i assume he means the alien rules that allow them to exist and have acid blood in the first place.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero then he should have a problem with Vader existing and creating a working lightsaber too
@@cheesestyx945 I dunno what else the guy could be referring to when he says alien movie rules. He might just not know what hes talking about when he specifies that.
I think what he means is that arguing that lightsabers would cause a steam explosion when you never see that happen in the movies invalidates Star Wars rules. Why not argue instead that xenomorphs dissolve their own exoskeletons from the inside and instantly turn themselves into a puddle of goo the moment they come into existence?
Soldier:“sir there is a xenomorph outbreak on the planet!“
General:“nuke it!“
Three big issues with your theory...
1) Vader has force sense, he should be able to reasonably tell where they are before they get close enough to mess with him.
2) Vader travels with Storm Troopers, allowing him to see what the Xenomorphs can do before he ever faces one personally, better preparing himself for the fight.
3) If we are going with the movies being cannon, then obviously blood does not simply explode into mist as it would in real life, if we are accepting light sabers and Xenomorphic blood, then we must also assume that regular blood does not simply explode into mist, and that there is a good chance that Xenomorphic blood has a similar boiling point as regular blood based on it's properties in the movies...
With no acid blood mist, no sneaking up on Vader, and Storm Troopers to help Vader (still an amazing swordsman/tactician/force user by any measure of the terms) better access the situation, I think it would be an easy victory for Vader...
Let's not forget how easily the Predators take down hordes of them... Now, 4 or 5 Predators vs Vader would probably be a fairly good fight
The predators would love that fight too. Having one of their hunters cut down while cloaked before the fight proper starts would immediately show them that they found worthy prey.
But stormtroopers dont hit shit
in canon stormtroopers are actually really skilled so they were serve the duel purpose of being xenos fodder and thinning the xenos numbers by 2-3 per trooper squad
@@mckusipaska7964 They weren't supposed to hit shit. The only time they were shown to have bad aim was when Luke rescued Leia. Other than that, the Storm Troopers were notorious for their impeccable aim.
Which means they missed on purpose.
One more point: Vader has a huge navy, that would probably bomb the sh*t out ouf any planet xenomorphs would be on...
D E W I T
Samuel Screw it
I'm crying lol!!!!
Jew it
I AM THE SENATE.
I'm still laughing
Don't be too proud of the scientific video you've constructed. The ability to scientifically predict the outcome of a battle, is insignificant next to the power of The Force!
This needs more rate ups.
Someone really needs to tell Thrawn this
I just had a nerdgasm.
Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, mccabber.
William Edward "force choke"
I find your lack of faith disturbing
What about anakin vs sand?
Martin Pizano yaaaaas, do it. No wait, dew it.
sand, every time
Easily sand
I'd get all over him
Martin Pizano anakin aint no match for dat sand
Darth Vader’s armor resisted lightsaber strikes and if lightsabers are as powerful as you say it is, it would have to be able to resist the acid of the xenomorphs.
No, that's like saying rock must beat paper because it beats scissors.
Piulin nah i think it’s fair. The amount of destructive power a lightsaber produces is more destructive than xeno acid.
Frank McNally how do you figure ? Lol
Protective systems:
"Vader wears gauntlets on his prosthetic hands made from Micronized Mandalorian iron weave" (Beskar)
"The outer cape, and to some extent, the tunic, was made out of armorweave, as it provided protection from environmental damage and was light enough for adequate movement. The cape also acted as a protective cloak designed to block fire and acid jets, thus helping protect the suit's electronics. Similarly, the cape also minimized the possibility of grit and other contaminants from entering and potentially clogging up the filter."
"INFRARED AND ULTRAVIOLET VISION" Not sneaking up on him in the dark
"Despite the weaknesses imparted by the suit, it also provided a number of strengths. These included greatly enhanced durability and stamina, numerous sensory enhancements, and protection from extremely inhospitable environments and biological weaponry."
Vader wore a black ribbed, padded, multi-ply body glove that covered everything below his neck. This flexible, quilted suit was blast-dampening, and was made of a fireproof material that provided some protection against flames and corrosive gasses. The armor was constructed in ten layers, with each subdivided into three primary layers. The first primary layer was a self-sealing surface similar in function to a standard Emnat suit worn by most Imperial military officers. The outermost layer was a black insulating shell, and the inner layer was an Andwa gel-crystal matrix. The second primary layer dealt with impact protection from physical shock due to the irreversible damage to the torso. The first layer was Reifflex cellular padding which was also utilized for some Stormtrooper helmets; the second layer was orthofabric; the third layer was mylar laminate; the fourth layer was polychlorophene-2 fiber weave, while the final layer contained a rechargeable energy suit. The third primary layer related to the pressure and temperature regulatory functions of the suit. The first layer contained plastex pressure garments; the second layer related to temperature stasis and the third layer was a compression sheath.
There was also a gasket within a suit that accesses the cartridge containing kouhunin chemicals to lessen Vader's perception of pain. The suit was also lined with sensors plugged to diagnostic systems to monitor Vader's pulmonary, cardiovascular, and neural interfaces and feed the data to the central chest box. The suit's temperature was likewise regulated via a heating unit installed on the back.
I don't think so. Some materials which are very resistant to heat are not resistant to impact or acids. Steel and glass being great examples. Glass is very resistant to (most) acids, but heat it and it easily melts, strike it and it easily shatters. Steel is very resistant to impact and heat, but a strong acid will eat right through it. Spacecraft's heat ablative plates are great at resisting heat, but you can easily smash them. A lightsaber on it's own might just vaporize a xeno and make a deadly acid fog, but a lot of jedi and sith were capable of creating a force bubble to resist gasses and other chemical assaults. A lightsaber with a Pontite crystal focus produces a cold blade which flash-freezes instead of burning. It comes down to a question of numbers. Enough xenos are going to overwhelm any defense, just like enough small children could eventually take down a grown man. A better question is "How many xenos would it take to wear down and kill Vader?".
But according to Kyle from Because Science, There would be no winners in the light saber fight because everything will be on fire.
well, its according to science. wouldnt you be on fire if you stood near an object thats as hot as the sun?
Well at least the xenomorphs would die as well~ since they obviously don't like fire
dont forget, vader is that way because he somehow survived lava... lol
a small dip. and yes, it would be a draw
I like that collective noun for the Xenomorphs
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I agree. Awesome. Maybe Ridley Scott will see this video. :) lol
Xenomorphae
He could just push all of them against the wall and crush them
He's never shown that level of power in his entire life.
He has on multiple occations show such power. In current canon he has such powerful force push that in the open air with no walls to crush them against he blew apart multiple lyleks (the insect from the arena scene in clone wars) with a single blast of force push.
You realize that xenos are not immune to fire and guess what happens when you get caught in planetary gravity? They could be ripped apart, too.
But if they’re from a different galaxy the force would not work on them.
@@hailme1 He could shield the xenos with the foce while he cuts them and the mist wouldnt do shit it would just be a green bubble
I think that if Darth Vader encountered Xenomorphs, there would be immediate attraction and affection. They would be his new pets and they would LOVE him. It would get disgustingly cute.
Cool fetish you have there, but that wouldn't remotely make sense. Xenos don't have a fetish for any human.
@@PJSM94 you have problems if you got fetish out of pets
@@PJSM94 force mind trick?
@@attilaseyfullah8522 Entirely possible and plausible, hes force mind tricked massive beasts and then turned them on Jedi masters successfully.
I can’t be the only one who has never heard of Darth Vader vs. Xenomorphs?
Like, since when is this a thing, so far i’ve only heard of the Goku vs. Superman conflict...
Nejx with you on that one
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thats not what they want to hear lol
There's a good chance Nerdist will lose a few subs in the coming weeks yeah...
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Imagine how small Nerdist would be if Because Science never existed. Soo sad for them
jaspr1999 exactly what I was thinking
Kyle: We can only go by what we see in the movies
Also Kyle: Darth Vader’s lightsaber would instantly explode the target Xenomorph and vaporize the acidic blood.
urgghh
haha valid point
Since BecauseScience explained how lightsabers would actually work I like to think that the lightsabers also dispersed a one-way invisible forcefield around the “blade”. Where anything can go through it but nothing can come out of it like the incredibly intense heat of the blade. That would then allow it to be turned on without everything around it bursting into flames and would also contain any explosion of body parts.
That's exactly how they work - a magnetized field of energy surrounding the blade which prevents the heat from erupting outwards until the field is broken (by cutting or stabbing). That's also why lightsaber blades are able to lock in combat, and why lightsabers can deflect blaster fire.
Couldn't Vader freeze the blood mid-air using the force, we have seen he is quick enough to react to that when he is shot at by Han in cloud city.
@@psychetitan3529 Predicting the trajectory of single laser blasts and raising his blaster proof gloves accordingly is very different from quickly and accurately predicting the spread of fluid, especially when its up much closer than said blaster fire. If he just kept up a basic screen of force in front of him it would probably work but if enoug xenos rushed him hed be taken down.
Lol it does do all this. The books have a ton of lore
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Not at all as he has been shown to stop hundreds of blaster bolts at once, and send them back.
He has also in a comic book used the force to activate a literal ARMY's number of rebels grenades on their bodies.
"Vader would suffocate if blood were to get on the suit" Vader can sustain himself with the dark side.
...for a limited time. And if his ship's engine and comm systems have been taken out by acid-blooded alien suicides (established in canon as a thing they do), and he's too busy spending his Force powers on not dying to psychically call for help, I can't really see this ending well for him.
Maybe, however the acid would still eat all the way through his suit and melt through his flesh, ultimately killing him.
Here's a question for you, Kyle..
Why do zombies in pop culture not eat themselves? What is behind their preferrence for the living when they are made of the same stuff as us? Why do they even bother sustaining themselves at all?
Not tge magically turned zombie btw, the science fiction ones. Will they actually act that way if real science is involved?
Thanks.
Jeorge Asprec ive wondered about the probability of zombies eating each other. The biological processes that allow the body to still be animate after cognitive impairment, would probably require heavy caloric intake to maintain the body even through the stress of continuing function. Assuming it is viral or like a prion, altering the host body's ability to function but also like a parasite forcing a form of self proliferation and increasing infection, it probably relies heavily on sensing healthy hosts through sense of smell. This doesn't explain why zombies dont feed on each other, nor does it explain why zombies have a heightened sense of smell in comparison to normal human beings. It would be great if a video game or a movie explored these concepts fully.
It's not about sustaining themselves, it's just the only thing left over from being alive the need to eat. Our bodies know we need to eat.
About them not just eating themselves, we can go with World War Z's explanation, those zombies were shown to ignore people who were sick, the zombies could somehow tell that the food was bad.
they may differentiate the living and the zombies by smell
Perhaps it has something to do with pheromones?
Well humans supposedly do have the ability to smell pheromones but the thing that lets us do so doesn't work.
Darth Vader could make a forceshield around him, no blood would hit him. He would be fine.
So… I know this is old… but there is a video from The Game Theorists which measures Vader's force power, and well… he can just hold off the xenomorphs with the force. Vader wins :)
For a while
If the Xenomorphs really are more or less mildly intelligent, couldn't Darth Vader mind trick them?
i like your thinking
Jos Kleijne
Try to trick wild wolf. *It. Won't. Work!*
they are also working under a hivemind mentality so only the queen could really control them.
Jurrassicalien So control the queen?
I don't think so. Never seen a jedi mind trick used on an animal before. Plus, the queen could be assumed to be a sort of "highly intelligent mind influence", so even if you could, a queen would be able to tell you were doing it and just over ride it. Biological telepathy is probably stronger than the force.
He could use the force to structure a spherical force shield.
Yeah, a force user with Vader's level of skill could maintain a spherical repulsion field with minimal effort. In effect, he'd never even need to use a lightsaber at all, just wander through the horde of Xenos while keeping them from coming in contact with him in any way. Pop the airlock and use force push to send them all into space, all without having to get his hands dirty.
5KAmenshawn yeah but what if they weren't in a ship?
ArcticKaiju Vader could probably throw Xenomorphs to space from a planet surface I mean he could bring down ships and the only reason he is not wiggling jedi around is because they defend themselves with the force, but Xenomorophs could not
That's what i thought. So simple and easy.
Yes but knowledge is literally power in this situation if he had ask the Intel on the spices sure he could figure way out to destroy them effectively however space doesn't kill them aliens. If the spices was unknown to a force user the fact that both are melee combat orientated, well it doesn't look good the force user.... With enough intel the commanders would probably handled this fight by a droid army vs clone or force. Remove the reproduction source and watch the numbers dwindle
2 episode suggestions from The Abyss:
1) could we breath a high oxygen liquid and would it help us dive deeper?
2) given how little we know about the bottom of the ocean, could there be a city/ship thingy down there without us knowing?
Actually earth vader can survive 7 hours without his suit through just using the force.
Not to "Shower Me With Your Love" playing the score to the scene where Vader gets trapped in an acid cloud.
its in one of the starwars novels
Vidar Gartz Go to one of the big star wars channels, they cover it in the novels/comics. Stupendous wave, Starwars Theory.
@Vidar Gartz He is correct.
@Vidar Gartz there is a sith in the past that could hold his body together just by using the force. It is said that Vader was the strongest sith Lord up to that point other then Mr Palps. So it can be done. Also Jedi can survive in space for a long time.
The prequel memes are strong with this one
From my point of view, the memes are evil!
Amaranth you are correct as you have the high ground!
SDG Danny hello there
Amaranth THEN YOU ARE LOST!
GENERAL KENOBI
I'm pretty sure Darth Vader would be able to shield himself from all the acid blood mist with some kind of force barrier
Maas Raphael Or just send out a wave of force to redirect it
When has he ever shown proof of that ability
Jacob King Deleted scene of Episode 3,
Obi-Wan v Anakin. They throw lava at each other and they block it with the force (mainly Obi-Wan)
Jacob King He use it in a Darth Vader comic series to block from derbis
ruclips.net/video/VVJ1aGqBjaA/видео.html
skip to 6:20
you guys went all out in the editing of this one! it was amazing!
6:15 Well the lightsaber is an "elegant weapon for a more civilized time" lolz
how Vader would win once he realizes they have acid blood: keep the high ground where the mist won't rise to, and just use the force to wield his light saber from a distance.
Could just use a basic force barrier that most padawans can even learn, essentially a bubble that protects the user from lethal toxins or allows them to breathe in otherwise unbreathable conditions
The high ground and Vader don't get along.
I'm not entirely sure how "superheated acidic gas" is supposed to have trouble reaching the high ground. I think that fight would go about as well as when he tried to take the high ground from Obi Wan.
*waves hand*
Vader would win handily. This isn't the science you're looking for....
Hands down, that was the best pun this video could inspire.
What do you think you are, some kind of Jedi?
This isn't the science we're looking for
Ezra Lennox *Not from a Jedi......*
C'mon dark... That one was a bit... Forced.
If you think about it: In the fictional Star Wars Universe, things don't explode when you touch them with lightsabers. If we were to stick with THAT level of science, and that the wounds ARE cauterized, then Darth would have a lot more of an advantage.
agreed!
The primary problem is the assumed steam explosion.
Given that this never happens in the movies, whatever assumptions lead them to 35 megawatts of heat is wrong.
If Vader knew about the acid, it is probable he could just hold up a light screen that repels small particles and droplets, and chop away.
Or just crush them all together.
in a scenario where vader is tasked to check a certain base which unknown to him is infested with xeno, he get dropped there with a dozen soldier and can only leave few days later (let's say because the weather), in this scenario he most probably will die
IceBryker things have been known to give off sparks when a lightsaber cuts through them, take for example when a Jedi opens a circular hole in a sealed door. I do, however, agree with you, no 'splosions.
Channel should be called "Because Assumptions" If you're going to pick a fictional character, then stick to the canon of that universe. Don't pull assumptions out of your anus that conveniently fit the theory you're crafting.
Couple of oversights: the Aliens canon establishes that besides the Runner alien, the xenos are highly susceptible to fire and heat, and it shuts down their ability to "burst" acid out when wounded. Also, one of Vader's signature moves in the new canon comics is a Force "Wave", where he sends things flying violently away from him in all 360 degrees.
Well, that's assuming Vader isn't strong enough in the force to simultaneously choke all the xenomorphs and win. He'd find them using the force too. However, I think lightsabers don't work exactly the way you think they do because apparently the force that's somehow contained in the kyber crystals creates some sort of field, presumably containing the heat perfectly or something.
We don't know that as fact though in the Star Wars canon. Sure, it's a cool theory, but realistically if a lightsaber came into contact with a human or an alien they would just explode. And that is of course ignoring the fact that everything around the lightsaber would be lit on fire upon igniting the blade.
TheSolusPrime Although Star wars isn't even close to being real, the lightsaber has been proven, fully formed crystals maintain the shape and power of the saber to a thin point, while it does have heat, it won't go around burning everything it touches, but it melts it... But doesn't burn it, but as we've seen and also as been explained, Kylo Ren's Cracked crystal spits out sparks and causes things to burn, also why it needs two other exhaust points to let out the extra power so that the saber doesn't become the universe's deadlist firework, so since Vader's crystal isn't cracked, it would stay at a perfect point (Unless manipulated by the force to shorten or bend but that's a bit different) now since Heat is Heat, it would cause a quick swipe to cut then nigh-instantly 'melt', and since the Xenomorph's skin can resist its own acid, even if the Xeno is dead... The wound won't open by acid nor will it melt... Now of course it's like 100 Xenos vs Vader, then Vader loses... Xenos can bust through his armor without acid... And since the force is a nigh-omnipotent force... Vader could technically heal himself (If he's learned that technique) or simply keep the acid away from him... Since the acid can't melt universal forces, that and this fight is a bit... Unfair... Xenomorphs are closer to reality then Vader is... So the Xenos can be killed by a human, Vader can not... But yea... I got off track and started ranting...
Xenos don't have to breathe, so force choke wouldn't help. He could certainly crush them or incapacitate them by making them float, though.
but they must have a neck
Yeah but in star wars physics there would be no explosions due to lightsabers. Then its a win for DV
Yes exactly. Death Vader is not real, pure fiction. And in no Star Wars movie, has any light saber ever exploded anything. The wounds are always immediately cauterized. So in this fantasy battle, there would be no exploding mist balls of corrosive death. Vader would clearly have the advantage. Like Kyle said before, if this fight was scientifically accurate, all aliens and Vader would burst into flames immediately after turning on this 35 million watt plasma blade. Dang I feel like a nerd :-(
John Patrick exactly... and the fact that he knows all this makes me call this video clickbait
Xenomorphs are also fiction you fuckin dingus, what the fuck
Pseudo Lain go to school kid.
Or at least try to organize your argument without the need to offend. Yeah xenomorphs are fiction, so what? So is DV and lightsabers? Whats that supposed to mean?
Even if it did, lesser metal alloys in SW have been shown to resist strong acids. Vader's suit certainly could hold it off.
The only problem I have with this argumentation is that the blood, assuming it does consist of something like fluoroantimonic acid, would likely be - just as HF*SbF5 - air- and moisture sensitive. That means as soon as a Xenomorph would start bleeding, its blood would fume or even burn and turn into some oxidation or hydrolysis products which then aren't nearly as acidic anymore.
Vader could throw the lightsaber, controlling it with the force, and have it loop through the area slicing all the Xenomorphs in half. The acid blood wouldn’t effect the lightsaber fast enough to keep it from doing this.
If that fails, Vader could just force choke em out. Or he could drop something heavy on them.
Thoughts?
"YOU PRESUME MUCH YOUNG KYLE" I'm not sure acid would eat through a suite that can survive a nuclear explosion. SW: Rebels S2 Finale. Also mind control, force crush, and life detect. Darth Vader is REALLY fast, I don't think a xeno could keep up with him.
Yeah the life detect does make things difficult.
Anakin is also very smart, and he'd know after he killed the first one about the acid blood. People forget that because his suit was built for him that he's also super good with electronics. Add in life detect that does cause problems.
However Xenomorphs have one ace - they adapt to the lifeforms they've possessed. If they possess anyone with force ability, even someone like Leia who haven't developed their powers, they will create a Xenomorph who utilizes or adapts to the force in some way. Likely immunity, or worse, one that actually knows how to use it.
Definitely all points needing to be addressed in this match up.
BigMac8000 yah. notice how we have to give the xeno every chance possible but we restrict Vader. Vader would have access to battalions of Storm troopers. I dont know if huggers could get through storm trooper armor but if the could... i do suppose that is about the only way they could stop him from just going back to his destroyer and raining fire down on the planet. I would like to see a deathbattle of this, would watch
I see a lot of complaints about Kyle's portrayal of a lightsaber as a ludicrously hot, body-exploding megaweapon. He knows and we know that is not what the movies show. The whole point of these videos is to examine pop culture artifacts in such a way that we can learn about the real world through them and also to think in such a way that we can start to come up with this stuff ourselves. If he entered this debate in the same way the super nerds like some of us do, these videos wouldn't be any different from a million others. What he's giving us is something different, and different is inherently more interesting.
Matt Ell didn't obi wan cut through a metal door via melting?
There are easy ways to explain the lightsaber behavior we see, but that's not my point. My point is that by explaining the lightsaber like he did, Kyle is encouraging a more critical approach to examination of scientific ideas in popular culture and by extension, real life. He is also teaching us about all kinds of scientific concepts, like heat transfer.
Matt Ell Star Wars isn’t a science fiction, it’s a science fantasy. Real science shouldn’t be applied because of course it’s no going to make sense.
Damian Laughlin It saddens me that the two responses I got are from people who didn't understand my point at all. Ah, well.
That is fair
But Vader can push with the force all around him
Xenomorphs can overwhelm him. There is always another xenomorph around. Plus xenomorphs can spit their acid. So he’s gonna have to use his light saber. Oh and force choke won’t work because xenomorphs don’t need to breathe
@@smiles2054 you really underestimate the power of the dark side
For how long?
I recently went back and watched the first movie, A New Hope.
In the cantina is where we see a lightsaber in combat for the first time, Obi Wan slices off someone's hand.
Let us now lay the "cauterization" argument to rest, as that arm was vry bloody and continuing to ooze blood.
Well darth vader could just make a force barrier to protect himself from the acid explosion
I feel like the scientific explanation you've given to light sabers is just flawed. You may be right in saying that they'd be so hot they'd cause people to explode on contact but if that's the conclusion you reach then you're assumptions are inconsistent with what we see it do. Like obviously I get that if we are to approach this by real world rules then there's no other conclusion to reach dealing with plasma but when your source of assumptions doesn't actually do that then you haven't really determined how an actual light saber would work, you've determined how something would work if we were to create a light saber facsimile based on currently existing technology.
Sydpart2 dame, that's actually a pretty good point
Excellent point; however, there's still no reason to expect that lightsabers would cauterize wounds made to xenomorphs; rather, their blood is designed to spray out under high pressure. Even if you didn't completely explode them, you'd still get a spray of vaporized acid blood over everything in the vicinity.
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Because Science is talking about a contained plasma weapon and does a really good job describing what that would be like. But sense Light Sabers don't act at all like that the only real conclusion that we can draw is that Light Sabers are not contained plasma weapons.
This shouting Fabio of a science nerd doesn't take the speed of a saber strike to account at all! To completely blow up an organism, the 3 000 000 Watts should be applied to it for a longer period of time than a fast swing that's in contact with the tissues for under 10 milliseconds! Therefore the huge amount of energy and heat the the saber blade emits only affects the target in a very limited area of contact! So no exploding bodies! Busted!
Come on science guy! You have to base your scientific explanations to the source material since we don't really have any lightsaber tech available! :-(
Proved you don't know what you're talking about. They did a whole video covering the horrifying effects of real lightsabers. The split second of contact at 3,000,000 watts of heat energy is MORE than enough to cause people to start exploding. Also, if the source material is scientifically flawed, and the show is called Because Science, why even bother with it? A Star Wars canon lightsaber is not possible. It cannot be done with how physics work.
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He could just force push them all at the same time
The saber doesn't make people explode in the movies, so we can assume that its containment field that gives it its shape prevents that kind of heat transmission (Hence why sabers don't just set everything around them on fire when they're activated), via science-magic. However, there's no reason to assume that he'd be completely safe from acid blood - their blood itself is a weapon, to the extent that in Alien: Resurrection, two captive xenomorphs killed a third to use its blood to melt through their cage (Always worth remembering that they're *not* merely mindless killing machines, but capable of waging asymmetrical warfare and utilising strategy).
Ponda Baba's arm was bleeding when Obi-wan cut off his arm in Mos Eisley's cantina.
dracarys666 That rarely happens, though.
He’s a spider like alien and their veins are different from human they’re like pipes
But what about Darth Maul?
Melvin Hedström your assumption being that the large anthropomorphic xenomorph with the exoskeleton and passive defense based on its blood splatter would have a vascular structure more or less like Ponda Baba's supposed spider like vascularture?
dracarys666 I have no idea what you just said there buddy
What if the lightsaber works on the principles of having a very high temperature in the core of the blade but the fields around the blade reduce the heat to the point where it does cauterize about 1/16 of an inch from the blade?
It would also explain how you don't light on fire near one ;P
Yeah, but I think Kyle's assumptions about the temp of the lightsaber blade was based on the real world necessity of a plasma contained within a magnetic field and their ability to cut through 4 inch metal struts like butter and pump enough heat into a triple armored door to melt it. But in all instances that the blade intersects with flesh in the movies they don't instantly vaporize flesh and do have somewhat of a cauterization effect. I guess that's because Star Wars is astronomical units closer to "swords and sorcery" fantasy except with starships and lasers and light years away from Because Science.
Based on this principle, that surrounding field would be like putting a shrink wrap on a lightsaber. It'd make it unusable.
Meanwhile if it was still hot enough to cut a person, once it got past that 1/16th of an inch the material being cut inside would immediately explode regardless of the shrink wrap layer.
I do think Kyle should rethink the lightsaber though, it does feel like there's some methodology in which a lightsaber might cauterize a wound given its size, speed of cut, and heat. There has to be some combination that'd be like what we see in the movies, given the many different technologies we could be dealing with.
He's decided it has to be plasma, but I still am not sure if laser technology isn't involved, especially given that there's specialized crystals inside it and the weapon is called "lightsaber" not "plasmasaber". I feel like there's something potential there, so I see where you're coming from.
Actually Darth Vader has been shown to be able to use the Force on multiple targets at once, including redirecting torpedoes mid-flight from his tie fighter and stopping a grenade from exploding, meaning in theory he could, if given the chance to realize their blood is acidic, make a protective "barrier" around his suit (which may be how his helmet is able to stop lightsaber strikes in some depictions... emphasis on "may")
He could also have a suit that stops this from happening, due to his suit being resistant to even lightsaber blasts, making it possible that acid resistance is a feature of the suit
Darth vader is a bad example, since he is one of the least mobile lightsaber users, Young yoda for example or darthmaul would destroy any xenomorph, bah, Count Doku would be op asf, they can also throw lightsabers so they are not touched by the blood explosion
canon darth vader is said to move faster than eye could register so you are wrong.
Vader could hold him in the air with the force and just throw his lightsaber. Then he'd just casually walk away like a badass. Ha ha!
Movie Vader is dumb down. He is one of the most powerful force user and one of the best lighsaber wielder.
Diet Adam the acid mist would melt the lightsabers handle as the gas formed around it destroying the weapon or making it practically unusable.
being fast doesnt really change anything. unless you have alien blood-acid-mist-proof skin everyones gonna end up having the same problem -.-
what about Palatine's force lightning? would that have an effect on the xenomorph?
Palpatine* and yes it would because anything with a nervous system would immediately be crippled by pain and muscle spasms.
Absolutely. His lightning could turn people to dust when he isn't playing
Are xenomorph exoskeletons conductive? They might not even feel a thing, aside from the hot spot of where the plasmafied air connects to them, due to the skin effect.
Ya! A droid army could defeat a planet of Xenomorphs. They wouldn’t give the Aliens new hosts to reproduce or corrupt. It’d be messy and expensive, but the empire could do it. They could just zap them from space. The Xenomorph biology would continue on However. They seem to be able to exist in zero G, zero atmosphere, zero temp extremes of space. The empire would have to develop some Xeno spray, combat them on a molecular level. It’s doable.
Callum Scott except the fact that in all likelihood xenomorphs exoskeletons are conductive , so it would do nothing.
Great episode! Thought provoking FUN.
What I wanna know is, what are the potential practical applications of lightsaber-based cutlery and kitchenware.
I've wondered this ever since I saw an image of a bread slicer sized lightsaber that "toasts" your bread as you slice it. Imagine the potential! For sandwiches, sausages, cheese, etc.
What about Vader vs Pretator
eric gallant Predator is an Alien RIP off.
Andrew Powell. Doesnt answer the question....
In terms of a close quarters battle, Vader would have the advantage as a lightsaber would likely be able to cut through a Predator's wrist blades. I am not sure if a lightsaber could effect the projectile fired from a plasma caster, but it could almost definitely cut through a smart disc or a spear. All in all, the only real advantage a Predator would have is stealth. So in conclusion, if the Predator can successfully land a killing blow from stealth, then the Predator would win, otherwise everything else it's in Vader's favour
Actually even stealth wouldn't save predator, vader could sense him.
Vader is much better prepared for creatures like the Predators. The main advantage for the Aliens is their numbers and their acid blood, which would make close quarters fighting of them a disaster. The Predators might get lucky, but more often than not, they would lose against Vader.
The science is good and all, but if you look beyond just science and look at all of the feats of both, I'd say it's pretty obvious Darth Vader would beat a Xenomorph 1on1 everytime, and if it's multiple it really depends on how many and where they would fight. Very Likely that Vader would win even against large numbers of Xenomorph tho if you scale him by feats (if you doubt me, look up what he did in the comic "Star Wars: Vader Down"). Still, nice video and great that Because Science is finally it's own channel!
ALL I AM SURROUNDED BY IS FEAR. AND DEAD XENOMORPHS.
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The thing is, what is canon to Star Wars ? The new owners only acknowledge the movies, recent games and comics. That's the official canon now, so do we look at what only the owners view as canon or do we look at the spin-offs too (which are often exaggerated or what if scenarios)?
hardthinking I was referring to a comic within disney canon, so it is officially canon and not legends (if I remember correctly that is). Hope that answers your question.
If you're going to use what you see in Star Wars to get the points of what can be done (qui gon cutting the blast door to get lightsaber energy) then as some other comments have said, you'd have to follow they don't burn everything around, or explode victims, and do cauterize wounds. We see that happen far more times then we see the doors be cut.
Regardless if they did for some reason explode them, he could force throw the saber, and slice through them probably a dozen at a time spinning it and going through them from a distance.
"From a certain point of view?!"
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He can totally force more that one enemy at once
Daniel C I know right... Vader isn't no youngling
Boba Vhett I find he's lack of faith disturbing
Daniel C I find your lack of grammar disturbing...
Jk
True if in comics he could turn himself even invisible with force maybe he can do alot more.
But the thing with Xenomorphs, they are hive minded, rage balls of instinct and strategy. Vader, through his arrogance, would underestimate them as mindless, primal creatures and then they'd overwhelm him with their numbers.
But it's already been established in the movies that lightsabers do cauterize wounds
But that's not how they work in the real world. This show is about the scientific explanation behind things so what is canon and what is not doesn't matter. Physics does not allow for a canon lightsaber to exist, so Kyle came up with the next best thing. A 3,000,000 watt blade of pure plasma held together by magnetic fields that instantly cause people to explode on contact.
Because Science.
Episode 4, Cantina arm removal scene, floor covered in blood.
Star Wars canon is inconsistant.
Halinspark blue lightsabers are cooler than red ones. Problem solved
Because Science? No, its Because Art. Fuck art.
Even assuming lightsabers cauterise wounds, you're applying cauterisation to organisms whose bodies are adapted for such processes to be a viable way of preventing blood loss. Xenomorph biology isn't similar enough to any of the aliens shown to have their wounds cauterised in Star Wars for "but it cauterises the wound" to be justifiable. Their body structure and their blood are adapted to not react to heat in a way that would cauterise a wound even if the saber were to cut cleanly. While you wouldn't have as bad a situation as Kyle's version even if lightsabers did magically work as cutting/cauterising beams, you'd still have open, gaping, blood-spraying holes in creatures with pressurised acid, which would spray everywhere, get in the path of the lightsaber, turn into clouds of vapour, and form an acidic mist that would make being anywhere near the xenomorph a bad idea. When you just had to cut it in half because of how close it was.
Vader's home base is on planet Vjun, which has pretty powerful acid rain. Enough to cause a Droid significant damage. Therefore his armor has some type of significant acid resistance.
Ok so I see a lot of lightsaber videos that try to explain how it works, weather it be a laser sword or a plasma sword, but I have another idea. Somewhere buried in my library I have a book that explains how the jedi/sith weapon works. In this book it explains that the blade is made up of a loop of energy. It starts in the power cell and focuses through the crystal and exits through the emitter and is a straight beam that is curved back towards the emitter with a magnetic field and more closely resembles a force field or those ray shields that Grievous is so eager to throw up. It suggest a lightsaber's cutting power comes from friction of speedy particles rather than heated plasma. Just wanted to throw that out there and see what people thought.
That would be awesome if you did some Space Marine stuff from Warhammer 40k
Now those guys would mop the floor with Star Wars and Alien simultaneously :D
Space 1999 moon Exodus please.
Do we think Vader could sense the Xenomorphs? I also think Vader could use the force to lift and choke/crush multiple at once, he is super powerful.
Also, it was confirmed in the director's commentary of Alien Covenant that one single Xenomorph cannot be killed as the body heals itself even when limbs are torn off. (Since the Xenomorph is a product of the black goo),
This is my favorite episode of Because Science. Because.... Science. :)
You forgot that vader can use force push in multiple opponents
they can spit acid
@@smiles2054 actually no, they can't. Even if they could, you could still stop the acid midair
Got hooked watching you on PlutoTV! Love the videos!
In the movies being hit with a lightsaber means the wound gets cauterized so even with all this science cannon from the actual movie takes priority over all of this science
Backyard Hooligan The show is called JustScience. 🤔
Pretty sure actual science gets applied here.
What if he used the force to hold of the acid? 🤔
larry r that's a good question!
larry just go back and watch episode 3. Anakin quite clearly knew how to handle his woman with the choke.
ReignOfCurtis well said
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Why... because Darth Vader, as in injured Darth Vader... requiring the suit to live... Post Mustafar Battle ... Lost a lot of his latent abilities with the force, at least when compared to Pre Mustafar Battle. And anyways... The whole... "blood/acid turns into a mist/ goes everywhere" thing that this guy said... doesn't really make sense... If we are accepting that all of these Movie things are real, Xenos, Vader, Lightsabers, The Force, etc... Then the fact that we've seen people get stabbed, sliced and diced from Lightsabers TONS of times in the Star Wars universe and no one had there blood explode all over the place... Tells me (and should tell everyone else) that this whole mist theory doesn't hold...
Yes it probably would in our universe's world of physics (but The Force and Lightsabers, don't exist in ours) but obviously the universes in those movies don't have the same laws of physics compared to ours... well the Star Wars one for sure... the Alien Universe, I don't know for sure, never been the biggest fan of that series.
Not if Vader has the high ground
7:17 lol best part.
love these vids! SUBBED!
Shout-out to the animators and VFX artist for this episode.
This isn't taking into consideration the possibility that the Xenomorphs skin is based on our own. They're not carbon based, and their bodies have silicon based looks. They're resilient to heat and pressure, and their skin can withstand G forces and temperatures ours couldn't possibly.
Take note if the third alien movie. Where the runner is encased in a car of lead, and it jumps out. It was the rapid cooling that killed it, and the fear of fire may just be an instinctive response. We already know that the eggs themselves aren't made of exactly the same material.
And maybe the physiology wouldn't allow the result you've described?
One thing is for sure though; we all hope this never happens
Zachary Olson their skin is carbon fiber
Honestly, at 3,000,000 watts of heat energy, what you're made out of doesn't matter. Not in the slightest.
This is science fiction though. I don't think a light saber would do shit against superman.
Like pumpkin spice latte's and Ugg boots, your blood is a bit.. *basic* Lmfao
TehGoblin61 _behsec_
MAIN (serious) point: 1. If Vader directly engaged a xenomorph 1v1 then where would the other sources of xeno aggression come from? (xeno fodder clone troopers are absent/out of the question)
1.a. (Excluding the already hatched xenomorph that acts as guards that protect the queen/mother xenomorph) Vader could easily deal with them by means of AoE Force Crush as seen in Star Wars Ep. 3: Revenge of the Sith.
2. Joke section of comment:
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Kyle: "But I already did! 3 TIMES!!"
Kylelu Reign: "mine mine*
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Aside from all the things you teach me, thanks for all the laughs bro.
The generally accepted consensus, from the way we see lightsabers behave in the movies and games, and the way they're described in comics and novelizations, they're not just plasma fountains. The saber's blade material is contained within what we assume to be an electromagnetic field of some kind, and it's only when an object comes into direct contact with the blade does it react with whatever force of heat is exerted. So even if the 35mil watt figure it correct the only thing that is affected is what the saber blade touches directly, and the electromagnetic field repels air while not in contact with a surface. There's also the space wizard thing and we don't actually know precisely how lightsabers would work. So simply applying our current knowledge of physics might be a tad insufficient.
So no 'splosions..
There's also the matter of the Force not being limited to pushes, pulls, and crushes. So again based on movies, games, comics, and novelizations Vader and his knowledge of The Force would probably stand a fair chance against a sizeable amount of single minded killing machines.
And lastly, his suit. Vader's suit isn't a NASA EVA suit. There's quite a bit more to it than that. His knowledge of The Force also plays a part in his survivability, as he's been able to keep himself alive when the suit fails by using Darkside Force power, whatever that may be.
So overall, great presentation, but xenomorphs are considerably simpler than Vader, his knowledge, and his tech..
W1cked RcL He will recruit them. Nice black pets for him and the emperor.
Erim Emre Baran That's a probable outcome. The xenos aren't particularly intelligent, just phenomenal hunters. Darkside mind control anyone?
Xenomorphs would win and im a huge star wars fan. There is no way of getting around the fact that. Even if there wasn't an explosion these things. Fight predators and predators fought these things for years. Darth Vader not knowing what to expect would play a part in it and let's just say for the sake of argument. It doesn't cauterize the wound he would still have to take on multiple forms of xenomorphs and all at the same time. Not letting one land a single hit on him. Not to mention the possibility (again sake of argument) that he might have to fight predators. Because predators hunt xenomorphs I could go in more detail but that enough for one comment.
Noble Six you don't sound like 'a huge Star Wars fan' since you don't seem to know what Darth Vader is capable of, or what kind of punishment his body armor is meant to take...
W1cked RcL I do but seeing what the acid can do and knowing how powerful it is. Then being combined with a being that lives to hunt. Im pretty sure Darth Vader can't take on an entire hive. Not being rude but for anyone who does want to deny and say Darth can take on anything. Mean they just want to stay ignorant and don't want to hear the truth. (Not directed towards you, it's directed towards those who don't want to reason.)
Yaaaaaaay science!!!!
I think that, considering that Darth Vader already lifted an ATAT, he would be able to controll the Xenomorphs with the Force. Also I think he would be able to controll the pressuredifference of his mask with the force in case his suit gets damaged.
What if the light saber actually produces an exotic kind of particle similar to a photon that decays very fast. What do we observe in the movies? a flow of a particles that shine, does not irradiate heat far away, but transfer a crazy amount of heat when touches something. It could be a beam of particles made of an unknown combination of quarks. Probably the light saber's technology use the strong atomic force and electromagnetic fields to do something similar to what happens when you smash protons together then it takes the quarks and reintegrate them in something new :P
Already learnt more than in physics class xD
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You're forgetting about more force abilities vader had, also ignoring his intellect AND the fact that he can prolong his time without the full suit.... I know... Im such a smart ass but yeh... Oh one of his assets is mind control over beasts, I think he gets force barrier and can use his saber as a sort of boomerang, soo. Boomerang plus barrier plus some xenos at his command, maybe it's a little more even
and what about that time he faced 25.000 rebels and still crushed them all, at the same time with the force.
Jorgeä Baezp true Vader would win. Even if this is what happens when he strikes a Xenomorphs with his saber he has a variety of ways to deal with that
Yeah as i listed in my answer the win easily EASILY goes to vader ,force wave/push and sabre throw with the precognition of the force is enough alone to beat the aliens ( not even figuring in mind control and the literal ability to control hundreds of flying projectiles of large size. there is a reason people run from vader as they know there fucked , aliens are smart and would actually figure out they cant win very quickly as vader would use there own feeling of protect the queen and eggs against them and wander straight in and destroy the nest ..
unfortunately the mind control only works on the weak minded. The drones themselves might be weak minded but they are under the command of the queen. she has n iq twice that of Einstein if I recall and controls the drones through some form of telepathy already she is not weak minded. other than that vader wins. multi force push alone would win the day ( see force unleashed for example.)
assuming he has previous knowledge of the Xeno, i doubt he would win so easily if he just casually wandered into the hive not knowing anything about them.
also lightsaber throw would be bad, the acid mist would melt the hilt for sure.
One problem with this is that there is the "Force Wave" Ability, which means Vader could deflect any acidic blood flying towards him. So while the Xenomorphs could win Vader has a huge advantage.
The cape and the tunic were made out of armorweave, they where designed to block fire and acid. Would that help at all or is the acid to strong?
However, if we went with physics of the actual movies, Darth Vader would win...
Ethan Hendrickson ya mean lose he would be a normal robot/man cuz the force don’t work on xenomorph as it is shown in alien vs predator as the predator tries to use telekinesis just like the force but the alien was immune
@@fishyfrank6279 the force ≠ telekinesis so yeah,vader,easy difficulty
If he had had force lightning, this could have gone differently
also in order to even use force lighting you need real hand, no for real thats a thing
In fact, Vader is able to use force lightning, more specifically, it's variation called "kinetite"
The first one on one encounter with a xenomorph would probably be fatal for Vader, as he wouldn't know about the acidic blood and might attack it with his saber rather than the force.
A couple of issues here. One he would know they were coming up towards him well before they got close. The use of the force would allow him to actually hunt them on his terms. Secondly even if say 8-10 were coming up on him he could just simply throw his lightsaber and kill them from a distance and the acid wouldn't be an issue. His tremendous power in the force though would almost certainly keep them from ever getting close enough to him for them to cause him any real issues.
Even if the lightsaber did cauterize the wounds wouldn’t the acid melt through the freshly cauterized area and be just as deadly?
The Wyterber nope, cuz xeno flesh is built to withstand the acidity of the blood, no matter the state it's in. Otherwise it would eat through it's own blood vessels.
Did you not watch the 2004 movie Alien Vs Predator where the Predator showed that chick how Xeno blood works?
no because the xenos skin is acid proof so that would not happen
Can superman melt wolverine's shiny hard boney bones.....?
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Commenting this during the ad but I just wanted to say that after watching your video about the truth behind what happens when killed by a lightsaber I easily applied that info to the scenario of this video and knew that the Xenomorph would automatically win via acid blood. Despite Vader having a lightsaber, the Xenomorphs would basically explode (as you said in said video about getting hit by a lightsaber) thus leading to Darth Vader being melted alive by the highly acidic blood of the Xenomorph XD
Just putting it out there: what if the wattage of light sabres is variable?
What if they have sensors that increase or decrease the wattage depending on what materials the magnetic plasma containment field interacts with?
And you just figured out how lightsabers work. The temperature can be adjusted and The Shield around the blade. Magnets also play a big role. But I forgot what they did
@@CoolMyron No I didn't just "figure it out". I just don't read "extended universe" crap because i'm just not that big of a Star Wars fan.
I go by what the movies say and show alone. Not some trivia page on IMDB or a wikipedia article using extended universe sources.
@@sevenproxies4255 There are books and novels that fill in details the movies don't have time for that are canon. There are entire books that give details to everything in SW, to its creatures to the ships and blasters they use.
Or you just watch RUclipsrs that would just break all that down into small videos.
Did not mean to offend you if i did.
Surprise lightsaber confirmed.
More training for Darth Vader needed. Should he face one down, I suspect he would learn what he could from his defeated foe. Leading him to create a new defensive force power. Instead of creating a Force Push against one target of mass, he could create small, continuous, force push's localized around him. Keeping the acid and the acid cloud from touching him while he is focusing that power. A Force"Shield" if you would.
Thank you for the surprise, I was starting to wonder about you.