5:30 another dope example of older artists reaching out to newer artists was DOOM collabing a whole album for Bishop Nehru way back 10 or so years ago. I think Bishop had a bit of a buzz going on but I am sure the look from DOOM was huge for him at the time and in the long run. Guy was 17-18 when that happened and NehruvianDOOM dropped
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I can’t think of any genre of music where the younger generation criticizes the pioneers as heavily as hip hop.
old heads dont need to collab with new artists. great artists need to collab with each other (no matter the age) as long it sonically makes sense. example, in the late 90s snoop wanted to collab with Kool G Rap. G Rap new that their sounds & styles did not match & he was right to reject him. the 90s was the last time where features were rare in albums maybe one song or 2 in an album, snoop & southern rappers changed that. quality went away & was replaced with novelty, gimmicks & commercialization & the art suffered for that.
I say year after year the music becomes more minimalist.. and everyone tries to do their sleepiest version of a Roc Marciano beat.. while rappers become more talky talky and less rappy rappy.
As an "old head" i have no real desire to listen to new rappers. I've heard it all before. No new rapper is going to spit some bars that will change my life or make me become a bigger fan of Hip Hop. I know i speak for many who just don't care anymore and we're only interested in older artists we grew up with because it's relatable. And honestly , no matter how good a new rapper my be .. they can't touch the golden era. The times have changed for the Rap music industry and it will never be the same.
2:32 Older rappers trying to have a resurgence?? Eminem has continued to be successful as has Busta. You're completely backwards if you think club music is moving album sales. What you're seeing is the older artist giving younger artist a hand up to their audience. It's just an L take that Busta and Eminem need Tron or Coi to stay relevant. That's exactly wrong.
Mad read on the LL Cool J album, there's a ton of interesting artistic stuff going on on the album, bit naff to critique it without even doing the bare minimum of listening to the project. Also listening to LL Cool J talking about the album its literally the exact opposite of the vibe you're talking about, he's clearly engaged with the future of the medium and artists (do think its a reasonable read on the other projects you mentioned)
Word, my perspective came just from that single which gave a similar feeling at first to the other videos. Since listening through I did give the album a chance and do enjoy it artistically, might have some things on replay there. Ima look into his recent path, seems like theres a general respect for his latest work. Appreciate your feedback
The problem is the younger generation has too understand when they get older because it will happen then the next generation will be caling you all old headz 😅 keep that in mind The Original Headz aren't thinking about what's popular they still feel they have something too offer and their fanbase is still there something when this generation gets older will they have that same following like a LL or a ice cube only time will tell probably not 😂😂😂
I agree, and I shouldve prefaced this but I dont mean old head as an insult (think of it as OG or unc). I recognize ima be there one day too but I hope our generation will embrace the change and look to blend their skills with what hip hop evolves to. Or they can cater to their own audience and be comfortable, there's a lane for both paths. Interested to see where we go tho, appreciate you watching fam 🙏🏽
@nene-music-official I understand where your coming from alot of the colabs aren't good but the older artists are guest features it's really the younger artists song like Coi Leray & Busta Busta has been around since I was a teenager in the early '90s I'm 47 now he knows that doesn't sound good lol but it's not his place to be honest with her it's her song honestly I hope your generation when you get my age have that real level of understanding you mentioned I really hope so your welcome i subscribed to your channel congrats hopefully it becomes a major platform in hip-hop 💯🫡lord knows there's alot of garbage posing as hip hop.
I think they just aren't able to move on, like Nas has released amazing albums in the past few years without sounding corny because he isn't trying to be the kid who made Illmatic and is actively collaberating with younger artist like Hitboy.
@@DeathSensei 99% of it bores me. The production doesn’t hit. I’m a hip hop head and there are a handful of new artists that are doing some really creative shit but overall, hip hop is like the nba in 2024. Overrated and boring
@MaestroFoden honestly fair enough. If you wanna see a young cat do some shit I recently found detahjae. He's got some good production going on him and is recently blowing up
This was a really good take… I think it has to do with hunger and passion. They’ve been living a life of luxury and an ideal “dream” life for so long that the substance that once came from the hunger to “become” no longer burns as bright as it once did.
ONE EXAMPLE IS KURIOUS WITH THE MAJICIAN ALBUM. KURIOUS JUST IMPROVED WITH A VENGEANCE! GOT DOWN WITH A DOPE PRODUCER AND THERE IT IS!!!!!! IF U R AN OLD SCHOOL ARTIST, NOTHING WRONG AT ALL WITH THAT. JUST MAKE THE ALBUM AUTHENTIC AND TRUE TO FORM, U CAN'T LOSE WITH THAT FORMULA.
Was not expecting an album from Kurious but was pleasantly surprised. Not quite on the level of A Constipated Monkey but that would be a wildly unfair expectation.
with all due respect i think you probably should have researched a little more on the artists you mensioned before making the video, i think some good points were made but it's not fully accurate especially LL, that and there's a number of interviews from older rappers talking about either colaborating or wanting to colaborate with newer artists
Completely respect that, Im a fan of a lot of the older artists I mentioned and didn't give the LL album a full listen. My perspective came more from a point of the singles/videos that were pushed before the full album released. I think how those songs are presented in front of an audience are so important and may determine if they get another listen on the album. But there is a spectrum i don't think every og artist I mentioned falls in the same category. Saturday Night Special is a dope song tho im making my way through the album now. All for the love of hip-hop fam stay up 🫡
I can agree. You dont know how to feel cause it's like yeah this legend in our lifetime still got it but then it's like a slight disconnect it almost feels like they want to slightly cater to that younger crowd. I can even say the younger vets like drake, future, big sean, anyone that came out between 2008-2014 arent hitting the same anymore.
We have doo-woop, blues, jazz, rock-'n'-roll, they became popular and went away. Hip hop merged with technology, so it reached more people, made more money and has lasted longer. In my opinion hip hop artists have become a type of boy band artist. (I'm 50 years old)
I don't think they need or have to work with or reach out to younger artists like that. I'm not that fond of newer music and newer artists as much despite being young myself (I'm 36, so I'm not extremely young). I mean, I only tend to listen to new music from emcees and rappers I already listen to, like Lloyd Banks, Curren$y, Ransom, Ghostface, Method Man, Vinnie Paz and Flee Lord just to name a few. However, I listen to Banks the most. I love how he just stays in his own lane and that, per his own words, he'll only collab with someone if he feels they're ILL. "Rhyme beside me, gotta be ill, f*** the popular feature" I'd love to have that line on a poster. Lol!! I truly wish Em would go underground for a while though and rap with people like Apathy, Celph Titled, Diabolic, Nems and CRIMEAPPLE to drop a few examples. This stuff he does nowadays is depressing.
There are maybe no two rappers more dedicated to the preservation of hip-hop than Busta Rhymes and LL Cool J so this is a horrible take. Both of them made efforts to work with younger artists and put them on so I’m not sure what’s inauthentic about them, these songs, and their love for hip-hop. It sounds more like they aren’t working with an artist you like in particular so that’s more a matter of taste than anyone lacking authenticity or trying to bridge the gap between generations. Actually the ball is in the court of the younger generation of artists to reach out to the legends and pioneers and put them on THEIR tracks, not the other way around.
That’s valid, im ofc biased with what i like but i do love both of those artists music. It should be part of the younger artists to want to collab but they may just not have the connects to do that without being dismissed so it goes both ways. As far as authenticity i just maybe expect something different based on their previous catalog that i do enjoy, and don’t feel it here. but i still recognize their huge contributions to hip hop Glad this is bringing up this discourse, appreciate you you watching ✌🏽
@nene-music-official they are being authentic. They just have different "ear" than you. They're not making music for the " young heads" thay are making music for their own age demographic, which has been largely ignored by Hip Hop for over a decade. Hip Hop is allegedly 50+ yrs old now. We should all be able to tolerate more diversity in sound and not be forced to appeal and conform to "young head" standard. All the projects and artists projects are solid and their sound and lyrics have "evolved", but with all the gatekeeping in the industry we were cheating of witnessing their process. We've gotten so used to high volumes of quickly made disposable music, that when a OG pop out and give us a project that was meant for us to sit with and process, we then sadly realize that we no longer have the attention span to care about an artists effort to contribute something more than just "turn up" music or "just a vibe"
Thats a good take, however you have to take into consideration that busta ll and cube were all commercial rappers or mainstream rappers, they sound out of touch or outdated because they are using the formula that used to work for them in the 90s and 00s for todays audience and it doesn't work, the old audience has grown and is into other things
Denzel is 29 bro;) I kinda get where you're coming from, but why is it that when Dusty McRoaches and his homie make tracks and shoot viddies it's seen as "For the love of the art", but when people who've already had success and don't have to make another cent make music for fun it's something different? That said, I see your point. At a certain point it's dope to embrace being a wise older statesman/woman in the game. Doesn't mean you can't make music, but there's a certain try hardism when it comes to MC's trying to rekindle their youthful fire. Alchemist and Rick Rubin are still dope and relevant because they have this Shamanistic persona, fully embracing where they in life, and pushing boundaries without trying.
The Busta song is supposed to be an homage (still a weird one admittedly) to "Ain't No Nigga" by Jay-Z and Foxy Brown. And that song in turn samples "It’s My Thing" by EPMD. Just explaining so you understand the significance and history of that beat/sample.
KOMS 2 old hip hop ? denzel album sound current that memphis 90s sound hasnt died out yet and denzel is going back to his sound he was in the group thats the godfather of all the soundcloud/underground rapper and that BKtherula track he did was a waka flocka sound which is Atlanta where just like denzel spaceghostpurrp etc in Florida was influenced in the 2010s Atlanta in the 2000s was influenced by 90s memphis rap he always been a memphis rap revival artist thats how he came up
I think my points blurred a little, I bring up Denzel because he is a good example of an established artist collaborating with new rappers and still sounding like himself. And I think his music will last because of that
If these old head rappers wanna come back, they gotta come with that same sauce they had 30 years ago You hit the nail, Most of these old head rappers hop on Generic “90s Type Beats” and rap abt how hip hop is dead 🤦🏽♂️ wondering why the corny stereotype gets stronger by the day
I dont understand the point, do you wish that that dudes start to rap drill style? Trap?? Or not do what they do.. trying still authentic? Alchemist is a genius.
No the point is they aren't raw or authentic to what made them goats if you compare the ice cube from 89 to now you can see the lack of energy in his delivery same wit all the old guys they stuck thinking their way was the best and tryna remake that old stuff but wit no hunger or energy getting on a old beat Rapping about how the game is corny and dead now and your old but still cool just not gonna hit the same
My guess is MAJOR LABELS.. If they're involved they have a lot of say over sound, songs and visuals. ALC is independent etc etc I agree that some of the resurgence acts are feeling like entertainment because that's their job. Shrug I guess.
It's the beat selection they choose. They usually rap on generic sounding tracks from their era. Busta should hop on some NY drill type beats while Ice Cube should hop on a Dj Mustard track.
I still love the old heads. They still do real hip hop. Ll cool j new album is dope, kool g rap is still fire,ice cube just dropped a dope album. If it is still boom gap or g funk, I will listen. Much rather hear old heads than any new artist
I'm an "old head", and I had this feeling, myself, when I saw Xzibit's recent video, Play This At My Funeral. It just felt off. I think it comes down to artists successfully evolving and adapting, and if they can't they're just relegated to being a product of their time and feel anachronistic no matter how they try to update to stay relevant. And maybe that's the difference. Art evolving and adapting is organic. Artists trying to update to keep up feels forced because it is.
Aint no new artists that are on the old heads level kendrick came out in like 09 so he aint new hes closer to ild heads so u guys got no one and the new generation hate on old heads is disrespectful
Speaking on kendrick tho, he did have some collabs with newer artists on GNX like Peysoh and Dody6. If this video was made after that release he would be on the list of established artists trying to collab authentically and share the spotlight
The only thing consistent about hip hop is that it keeps progressing. I don't know why youngers think the generation above don't listen to new music. There's enough space for everyone new and old. Just pick your preference. Old heads like what they like new heads like something else. It's not that deep. It's all authentic from whichever perspective. Noone is gonna hold your hand. Just do you.
Think of it like Steak ..if all u know is Filet Mignon...Then u finally taste Wagu/Kobe u might not like it .Issa lane for everybody .Why only in hip-hop Meanwhile a Rock/RnB/Pop artist can tour till they're 80 🤔
Its because alc still produces his beats like it was 90s they are not polished and have alot of dirt to them. If you polish 90s boom bap beat it sounds wack because it becones comercial sounding. Its weird but its happening
The problem is the vets are trying to make todays style which is complete garbage for the most part - instead of putting out music closer to the style they grew in the game with - and it just doesn’t sound right
Yes, I 1000% agree. Meth nd Red not the same especially the vid🤦🏿♂️anyone that was poppin’ in the 90s nd early mid 2000s I can only listen to their old music.
The answer is simple they are doing industry music and pop reaches and not their original lane. Ice cube needs to do what artists like mc eight does, busta needs to modernize and pick up the native tongue flag, ll cool J and em need to lean into the modern versions of boom bap and east coast. They can put folks on but they gotta stop the pop reaches
Because artists like LL and Busta only work with STARS, they don’t mingle too much with artists that truly love and live Hip Hop. It sounds wild saying it out loud but I don’t see why Timbaland and 2Chainz were introduced to Mach-Hommy, were blown away by his art and business model, but have NO RECORDS with Mach-Hommy….2Chainz has songs with Kreayshawn, but not Mach-Hommy. Mach-Hommy got beats from Kaytranada but not Timbaland. That’s Hip Hops problem. Nobody is a fan of this shit to the point of that producing CLASSIC songs and albums, they don’t love it as much as they used to. Like why is Jay Z having dinners with his favorite lyricists but signing artists he doesn’t listen to? I’m sorry but I don’t believe Jay Z is bumpin Lil Uzi Vert by choice at home, although he has a ROC-a-Fella chain and they’re good friends, I still highly doubt it. But you know what makes sense though? “Jay-Z feat. BoriRock & Estee Nack” , “Jay-Z feat. Westside Gunn & Pop Smoke”, “Jay-Z feat. Mach-Hommy, Tha God Fahim, Your Old Droog”. You know what you’ll get though? “Jay-Z feat. Adele” or “Eminem feat. Jason Derulo” before you get some shit like that.
imo this mostly jus happens on already old plp in the idustrey trying to re light the essence they once had on their younger days, being for profit or not, it just doesnt work its not genuine
Truth be told, hip hop been dead. The problem is all ya young dudes still holding on to it... Copying an era you didn't live nor really understand. Y'all need to get your own thing going... Stop riding our di@k!! Be original, get your own shit!
I feel u on the busts and coi joint, that was garbage. They were try to pay homage to jay z and foxy. Ice cube needs to stop. The Eminem baby tron big sean track is hard and the video is like Eminem older videos 🔥
Em feels like a dam clone lol. I'm joking....kind of. Idk it feels weird to me too.....I think it's the videos....old school hip-hop has a certain swag but they probably do feel inauthentic.....cause in today's rap...ppl want bullshit. But I don't feel that with Kendrick but new em feels weird to me . He's not a clone I was jk.................
I think it's because they just trying to get money, few of em just out of their prime, so when they be talking shit, you just can't take it serious, also nas still doing it, working with Hit Boy, and collaborating with Asap and 21
Yo great video. I think em and those like him don’t collab enough. Couldn’t imagine em cooking ideas with Tyler, or j Cole. Just anybody that ain’t him lol
IDK about ur take sounds like you want hand outs , the ogs coming back coz rap is going downhill they dont have to , but if the ogs do collabs they will choose who they champion not us
One Thing IS its all over produced. Doesnt Sound good. Needs to Sound Raw. Also they Rap the same stuffas before Just in tired Version. They should Rap what they really living. Not Always that "i come Back, thats the Comeback bla bla" Rap bullshit. They Just quote their quote.
Instantly knew what you were talking about. All of the examplae you mentioned came to mind. Common and Pete Rock's collab made some good music recently. Dre and Snoop just dropped a song that feels like it's 20+ years too late.
Idk, I like that Dre and Snoop junt. Been waiting on something like it for a while. However, aside from it, I generally stick to Lloyd Banks and Curren$y. I love that Banks stays in his lane though and isn't worried about appealing to everyone. I see folks on here and IG trying to tell him he needs a new sound. He just simply tells them to find someone else that has the sound they want. I love that. He won't conform and sticks to what he's comfortable with.
A few things.... I agree that a lot of current stuff sometimes sounds more like "content" instead of music. However, with older artists, heads want them to still sound the same as they did in 1997. People GROW & aren't in the same mindstate they were once in. You REALLY want these 50 somethings to make club bangers when they got bored with the club over 20 years ago? Plus, younger heads are WAY more critical of legends in hip hop than any other genres.
Makes ZERO sense. Eminem has one the 5 best producers as his DJ and yet he insists on continuing to handicap himself by making his own beats because he is a shit producer.
To say all of those Quote "oldheads"that you named new stuff doesn't sound authentic is weird as fuck because we can differentiate them from each other where as the new generation of rapper has some weird ass phobia of standing out ,that punch in format and same rap cadence is not authentic and frankly it's boring as shit its waaaay to many of yall sounding the same and it is cheapening the culture and its value.....Notice people aren't really paying to go see but a handful of the new rapper and I'm sure most of us know who they are.
The real problem is the music overall is outdated. The music has been Terry Kiser of Weekend At Bernies since the mid 80's when it was transformed into a government psy ops and rappers became pro wrestling controlled oppositional agent provocateur propagandist characters for record company execs and stock brokers who invest in the private prison industry via the NYSE selling our people gang life criminal culture social separation, isolation and prison life. Hip Hop Boom Bap now a days is worthless. This generation is like previous generations seriously ill informed but this one in particular is weak and entitled living off of the past rather than creating their own identity, they dick ride a dead music used as a political weapon against its followers who are stupid enough to support it and participate in a form of music that has been and still is destructive and used as a weapon to cause social division and isolation based on delusional socially constructed generalizations and stereotypes. Why hasn't this generation or the previous one (Y) come up with its own form of expression apart from Hip Hop, Trap, Drill or any other current music that was appropriated and or affiliated with previous music genres created by gen x? Ah because they are too scared to branch out on their own still hanging on to the sick ways of gen x passed on to y and now z who is NOT living life on their own terms but on the terms of the previously aforementioned generation. You are a music producer right? Why don't you create a new form of music and a new expression that isn't dick riding a dead in the water music who's artist were fake, government agents, sexual deviants or supporters of such like KRSONE who despite Africa Bambooty being exposed as a pedo still supports him. Busta has been Busted and exposed as a boty boy. We already know about Diddy and so many others. Start by making new music that disassociates itself from hip hop, trap, drill or any other musical genre used as a weapon against the masses, create a scene that doesn't include the main stream or appropriates from previous musical genres. Don't be scared to be different from the previous generation which is the problem with the current one. Think for yourselves and stop allowing peddlers of the past influence you into staying stagnant and stuck in the mud. Stop being afraid to live in accordance to how you feel and express it in a positive and productive way that doesn't play into the hands of the corrupt. Stand for something and stop falling for everything. With everything being exposed about the weirdos in the business this os the perfect time to make that change by showing them that you can create a positive uplifting world full of love and peace of mind vs continuing a saga that was and is predetermined and rigged for things to stay as they are. Defy society's expectations and create your own that makes you stand out from all of the past generations. Learn from their stupid mistakes and don't repeat them.
@@TheCreatorNFE Hip hop belongs to the white music business overall. its a socially constructed concept that is used as a weapon against its followers. Haven't you been paying attention? Or are in denial? I think the latter.
@@TheCreatorNFE Who the eff is Tariq? oh right that government agent provocateur who appeared on Conan O Brian as a pimp but but now he's a supposed black national. That guys a joke. Better do ya homework on that clown.
5:30 another dope example of older artists reaching out to newer artists was DOOM collabing a whole album for Bishop Nehru way back 10 or so years ago. I think Bishop had a bit of a buzz going on but I am sure the look from DOOM was huge for him at the time and in the long run. Guy was 17-18 when that happened and NehruvianDOOM dropped
DUDE, how could I miss this example yes! Another great collab that overlooked Nehru’s status and was all for the love of hip-hop. Bless 🙌🏽
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I can’t think of any genre of music where the younger generation criticizes the pioneers as heavily as hip hop.
I think that’s valid, hopefully there’s less of that and more appreciation for each corner of the genre 💪🏽
Thinking the same thing other genres of music worship there old heads
That's why hip hop is so good. This criticism of old heads is what makes the genre able to grow creatively and innovate the scene.
Punk artists hated Prog at the time
Fam this is so true
Nas just went on a legendary run with Hit-Boy, and killed it as an MC sounding mature, and still dope as fuck for love of the music.
Yep,the problem is their attention span is shot
old heads dont need to collab with new artists. great artists need to collab with each other (no matter the age) as long it sonically makes sense. example, in the late 90s snoop wanted to collab with Kool G Rap. G Rap new that their sounds & styles did not match & he was right to reject him. the 90s was the last time where features were rare in albums maybe one song or 2 in an album, snoop & southern rappers changed that. quality went away & was replaced with novelty, gimmicks & commercialization & the art suffered for that.
I don't like collabs. When they were rare it was dope. Like Nas on Reak's shit. Az on Nas' shit. Dope. Now? Nope. Too much.
The Pete Rock & Common album was done well and doesn't weird.
I enjoyed this album as well
Agreed!!!
I say year after year the music becomes more minimalist.. and everyone tries to do their sleepiest version of a Roc Marciano beat.. while rappers become more talky talky and less rappy rappy.
Young people hate the pioneers crazy you don't see it in Rock
As an "old head" i have no real desire to listen to new rappers. I've heard it all before. No new rapper is going to spit some bars that will change my life or make me become a bigger fan of Hip Hop. I know i speak for many who just don't care anymore and we're only interested in older artists we grew up with because it's relatable. And honestly , no matter how good a new rapper my be .. they can't touch the golden era. The times have changed for the Rap music industry and it will never be the same.
It feels right for Alc and Nas etc, because like you said - it's done in an authentic way and they're not trying to 'redo' what they did in the past.
2:32 Older rappers trying to have a resurgence??
Eminem has continued to be successful as has Busta. You're completely backwards if you think club music is moving album sales.
What you're seeing is the older artist giving younger artist a hand up to their audience.
It's just an L take that Busta and Eminem need Tron or Coi to stay relevant. That's exactly wrong.
Mad read on the LL Cool J album, there's a ton of interesting artistic stuff going on on the album, bit naff to critique it without even doing the bare minimum of listening to the project. Also listening to LL Cool J talking about the album its literally the exact opposite of the vibe you're talking about, he's clearly engaged with the future of the medium and artists (do think its a reasonable read on the other projects you mentioned)
Word, my perspective came just from that single which gave a similar feeling at first to the other videos. Since listening through I did give the album a chance and do enjoy it artistically, might have some things on replay there.
Ima look into his recent path, seems like theres a general respect for his latest work. Appreciate your feedback
The problem is the younger generation has too understand when they get older because it will happen then the next generation will be caling you all old headz 😅 keep that in mind The Original Headz aren't thinking about what's popular they still feel they have something too offer and their fanbase is still there something when this generation gets older will they have that same following like a LL or a ice cube only time will tell probably not 😂😂😂
I agree, and I shouldve prefaced this but I dont mean old head as an insult (think of it as OG or unc). I recognize ima be there one day too but I hope our generation will embrace the change and look to blend their skills with what hip hop evolves to. Or they can cater to their own audience and be comfortable, there's a lane for both paths. Interested to see where we go tho, appreciate you watching fam 🙏🏽
@nene-music-official I understand where your coming from alot of the colabs aren't good but the older artists are guest features it's really the younger artists song like Coi Leray & Busta Busta has been around since I was a teenager in the early '90s I'm 47 now he knows that doesn't sound good lol but it's not his place to be honest with her it's her song honestly I hope your generation when you get my age have that real level of understanding you mentioned I really hope so your welcome i subscribed to your channel congrats hopefully it becomes a major platform in hip-hop 💯🫡lord knows there's alot of garbage posing as hip hop.
Respect man, thank you ✌🏽
@nene-music-official your welcome no doubt 🙏🫡💯
I think they just aren't able to move on, like Nas has released amazing albums in the past few years without sounding corny because he isn't trying to be the kid who made Illmatic and is actively collaberating with younger artist like Hitboy.
We need more MC eiht Kendrick situations bro didn’t know who dot was and hopped on
Sounding like a rant video. Established artists have nothing to prove.
Exactly. If new artists dropped albums that were worth kistening, I'd actually listen
@@MaestroFodenThere's good stuff being put out by new artists you just ain't looking for it
@@DeathSensei 99% of it bores me. The production doesn’t hit. I’m a hip hop head and there are a handful of new artists that are doing some really creative shit but overall, hip hop is like the nba in 2024. Overrated and boring
@MaestroFoden honestly fair enough. If you wanna see a young cat do some shit I recently found detahjae. He's got some good production going on him and is recently blowing up
@@MaestroFoden 100
I think the old school artists should keep identity and make what they want, when u add money and other outside factors it messes it up
This was a really good take… I think it has to do with hunger and passion. They’ve been living a life of luxury and an ideal “dream” life for so long that the substance that once came from the hunger to “become” no longer burns as bright as it once did.
This is exactly it
agreed 100%
Economy messed up, a lot of these artist need money.
Man I love this topic right here!!!
Appreciate you for watching 🫡
@ for sure!!! I actually touch on some of that in my Documentary Album “Hello, My Name is Fokis” it’s on my page, I think you might enjoy it
B-Real makes new music sound good and he still got it!
You're probably sensing what 3Stacks was saying about having something to say... whether it's regional or generational
the old heads are established, and they paved the way for new heads.
Been doing stuff with Kool Keith, Esoteric, Deck, A-F-R-O & many more recently. Unreleased though
ONE EXAMPLE IS KURIOUS WITH THE MAJICIAN ALBUM. KURIOUS JUST IMPROVED WITH A VENGEANCE! GOT DOWN WITH A DOPE PRODUCER AND THERE IT IS!!!!!! IF U R AN OLD SCHOOL ARTIST, NOTHING WRONG AT ALL WITH THAT. JUST MAKE THE ALBUM AUTHENTIC AND TRUE TO FORM, U CAN'T LOSE WITH THAT FORMULA.
Was not expecting an album from Kurious but was pleasantly surprised. Not quite on the level of A Constipated Monkey but that would be a wildly unfair expectation.
with all due respect i think you probably should have researched a little more on the artists you mensioned before making the video, i think some good points were made but it's not fully accurate especially LL, that and there's a number of interviews from older rappers talking about either colaborating or wanting to colaborate with newer artists
Completely respect that, Im a fan of a lot of the older artists I mentioned and didn't give the LL album a full listen. My perspective came more from a point of the singles/videos that were pushed before the full album released. I think how those songs are presented in front of an audience are so important and may determine if they get another listen on the album. But there is a spectrum i don't think every og artist I mentioned falls in the same category.
Saturday Night Special is a dope song tho im making my way through the album now. All for the love of hip-hop fam stay up 🫡
LL plays a cop on tv
i'm 52 from Corona Queens, you are spot on on with your observations.old farts afraid of youth's competition is not new
What’s your thoughts on the new LL Cool J album produced completely by Q-Tip from ATCQ???
I can agree. You dont know how to feel cause it's like yeah this legend in our lifetime still got it but then it's like a slight disconnect it almost feels like they want to slightly cater to that younger crowd. I can even say the younger vets like drake, future, big sean, anyone that came out between 2008-2014 arent hitting the same anymore.
We have doo-woop, blues, jazz, rock-'n'-roll, they became popular and went away. Hip hop merged with technology, so it reached more people, made more money and has lasted longer. In my opinion hip hop artists have become a type of boy band artist. (I'm 50 years old)
I don't think they need or have to work with or reach out to younger artists like that. I'm not that fond of newer music and newer artists as much despite being young myself (I'm 36, so I'm not extremely young). I mean, I only tend to listen to new music from emcees and rappers I already listen to, like Lloyd Banks, Curren$y, Ransom, Ghostface, Method Man, Vinnie Paz and Flee Lord just to name a few. However, I listen to Banks the most. I love how he just stays in his own lane and that, per his own words, he'll only collab with someone if he feels they're ILL. "Rhyme beside me, gotta be ill, f*** the popular feature" I'd love to have that line on a poster. Lol!! I truly wish Em would go underground for a while though and rap with people like Apathy, Celph Titled, Diabolic, Nems and CRIMEAPPLE to drop a few examples. This stuff he does nowadays is depressing.
CRIMEAPPLE 🙌🏽
Respect fam thanks for watching
@nene-music-official Yessir!! You're welcome. Gonna peep some of your other videos. 💪🏾🙌🏾
There are maybe no two rappers more dedicated to the preservation of hip-hop than Busta Rhymes and LL Cool J so this is a horrible take. Both of them made efforts to work with younger artists and put them on so I’m not sure what’s inauthentic about them, these songs, and their love for hip-hop. It sounds more like they aren’t working with an artist you like in particular so that’s more a matter of taste than anyone lacking authenticity or trying to bridge the gap between generations. Actually the ball is in the court of the younger generation of artists to reach out to the legends and pioneers and put them on THEIR tracks, not the other way around.
That’s valid, im ofc biased with what i like but i do love both of those artists music. It should be part of the younger artists to want to collab but they may just not have the connects to do that without being dismissed so it goes both ways. As far as authenticity i just maybe expect something different based on their previous catalog that i do enjoy, and don’t feel it here. but i still recognize their huge contributions to hip hop
Glad this is bringing up this discourse, appreciate you you watching ✌🏽
@nene-music-official they are being authentic. They just have different "ear" than you. They're not making music for the " young heads" thay are making music for their own age demographic, which has been largely ignored by Hip Hop for over a decade. Hip Hop is allegedly 50+ yrs old now. We should all be able to tolerate more diversity in sound and not be forced to appeal and conform to "young head" standard. All the projects and artists projects are solid and their sound and lyrics have "evolved", but with all the gatekeeping in the industry we were cheating of witnessing their process. We've gotten so used to high volumes of quickly made disposable music, that when a OG pop out and give us a project that was meant for us to sit with and process, we then sadly realize that we no longer have the attention span to care about an artists effort to contribute something more than just "turn up" music or "just a vibe"
Old heads do collaborate with young artists. Thing is they collaborate with young artists that only they know. Artists they want to put on.
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That Greg nice single butter is Dope and hella creative
Thats a good take, however you have to take into consideration that busta ll and cube were all commercial rappers or mainstream rappers, they sound out of touch or outdated because they are using the formula that used to work for them in the 90s and 00s for todays audience and it doesn't work, the old audience has grown and is into other things
I like this take
Flawlessly said
Denzel is 29 bro;) I kinda get where you're coming from, but why is it that when Dusty McRoaches and his homie make tracks and shoot viddies it's seen as "For the love of the art", but when people who've already had success and don't have to make another cent make music for fun it's something different? That said, I see your point. At a certain point it's dope to embrace being a wise older statesman/woman in the game. Doesn't mean you can't make music, but there's a certain try hardism when it comes to MC's trying to rekindle their youthful fire. Alchemist and Rick Rubin are still dope and relevant because they have this Shamanistic persona, fully embracing where they in life, and pushing boundaries without trying.
Did u get the reference from busta and coi
I've asked the same thing about al the rappers who have jumped into the RUclips/streaming space.
The Busta song is supposed to be an homage (still a weird one admittedly) to "Ain't No Nigga" by Jay-Z and Foxy Brown. And that song in turn samples "It’s My Thing" by EPMD. Just explaining so you understand the significance and history of that beat/sample.
Nah...that beat (Aint No Nigga) is an exact copy of Its My Thing by EPMD.
@ I said the wrong song title. It is Its My Thing lol don’t know how I made that blunder.
Btw video was well put together I hope you gain more Subs
Appreciate that heavy, hope you stay along for the journey
@ we locked in 🤘🏽
agree! 😆
“Kamala Harris needs to get on her Introspective Bag and Drop a Jazz Album with The Alchemist” - some tweet from Twitter 💯🔥🔥✨🤣
😂😂
I wonder what accent she’ll out of her bag
KOMS 2 old hip hop ? denzel album sound current that memphis 90s sound hasnt died out yet and denzel is going back to his sound he was in the group thats the godfather of all the soundcloud/underground rapper and that BKtherula track he did was a waka flocka sound which is Atlanta where just like denzel spaceghostpurrp etc in Florida was influenced in the 2010s Atlanta in the 2000s was influenced by 90s memphis rap he always been a memphis rap revival artist thats how he came up
I think my points blurred a little, I bring up Denzel because he is a good example of an established artist collaborating with new rappers and still sounding like himself. And I think his music will last because of that
If these old head rappers wanna come back, they gotta come with that same sauce they had 30 years ago
You hit the nail, Most of these old head rappers hop on Generic “90s Type Beats” and rap abt how hip hop is dead 🤦🏽♂️ wondering why the corny stereotype gets stronger by the day
Those 90's type beats are far better than todays production. It actually took skills to make those.
I dont understand the point, do you wish that that dudes start to rap drill style? Trap?? Or not do what they do.. trying still authentic? Alchemist is a genius.
No the point is they aren't raw or authentic to what made them goats if you compare the ice cube from 89 to now you can see the lack of energy in his delivery same wit all the old guys they stuck thinking their way was the best and tryna remake that old stuff but wit no hunger or energy getting on a old beat Rapping about how the game is corny and dead now and your old but still cool just not gonna hit the same
Rap is the only genre where people think life is over at 37. Something something crabs
Incidentally, Technine and E-40 do it ALL THE TIME
I just heard a track with Kool Keith who's 61 and he sounds fresher than a gen z rapper.
My guess is MAJOR LABELS.. If they're involved they have a lot of say over sound, songs and visuals. ALC is independent etc etc I agree that some of the resurgence acts are feeling like entertainment because that's their job. Shrug I guess.
Great vid bro
Appreciate you fam! 🙏🏽
@@nene-music-official np, keep up the work
i felt this fr fr lol
It's the beat selection they choose. They usually rap on generic sounding tracks from their era. Busta should hop on some NY drill type beats while Ice Cube should hop on a Dj Mustard track.
I still love the old heads. They still do real hip hop. Ll cool j new album is dope, kool g rap is still fire,ice cube just dropped a dope album. If it is still boom gap or g funk, I will listen. Much rather hear old heads than any new artist
I been thinking this but ur first guy to say it
Glad I’m not the only one
I'm an "old head", and I had this feeling, myself, when I saw Xzibit's recent video, Play This At My Funeral. It just felt off. I think it comes down to artists successfully evolving and adapting, and if they can't they're just relegated to being a product of their time and feel anachronistic no matter how they try to update to stay relevant. And maybe that's the difference. Art evolving and adapting is organic. Artists trying to update to keep up feels forced because it is.
L,L Cool J has never put a younger cat over, to use a wrestling conatation.
Aint no new artists that are on the old heads level kendrick came out in like 09 so he aint new hes closer to ild heads so u guys got no one and the new generation hate on old heads is disrespectful
Speaking on kendrick tho, he did have some collabs with newer artists on GNX like Peysoh and Dody6. If this video was made after that release he would be on the list of established artists trying to collab authentically and share the spotlight
The only thing consistent about hip hop is that it keeps progressing. I don't know why youngers think the generation above don't listen to new music. There's enough space for everyone new and old. Just pick your preference. Old heads like what they like new heads like something else. It's not that deep. It's all authentic from whichever perspective. Noone is gonna hold your hand. Just do you.
Johnny Afro is the dopest old head ever. he sounds good every era
It's not weird, your just insecure and scared to be in your own skin
Damn, you got me thanks bud
what’s the best in the back 😵💫
Think of it like Steak ..if all u know is Filet Mignon...Then u finally taste Wagu/Kobe u might not like it .Issa lane for everybody .Why only in hip-hop Meanwhile a Rock/RnB/Pop artist can tour till they're 80 🤔
Its because alc still produces his beats like it was 90s they are not polished and have alot of dirt to them. If you polish 90s boom bap beat it sounds wack because it becones comercial sounding. Its weird but its happening
Great point
they making music to appeal to you
Just reboot Nelly’s Country Grammar and call it a day. Fehk all this gatekeeping, that’s oldhead, future boomer
Naw you buggin!💯🤔
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The problem is the vets are trying to make todays style which is complete garbage for the most part - instead of putting out music closer to the style they grew in the game with - and it just doesn’t sound right
Yes, I 1000% agree. Meth nd Red not the same especially the vid🤦🏿♂️anyone that was poppin’ in the 90s nd early mid 2000s I can only listen to their old music.
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The answer is simple they are doing industry music and pop reaches and not their original lane. Ice cube needs to do what artists like mc eight does, busta needs to modernize and pick up the native tongue flag, ll cool J and em need to lean into the modern versions of boom bap and east coast. They can put folks on but they gotta stop the pop reaches
don't blame them for coming back.. rap has been trash for a while now
Let the old heads cook. The music is either good or it isn't.
busta is from Long Island and it shows
Long Island has some strong players like Rakim, Subroc and DOOM, and De La. Not a regional thing
@@nene-music-officialand Ra Ra Rugged Man
Because artists like LL and Busta only work with STARS, they don’t mingle too much with artists that truly love and live Hip Hop.
It sounds wild saying it out loud but I don’t see why Timbaland and 2Chainz were introduced to Mach-Hommy, were blown away by his art and business model, but have NO RECORDS with Mach-Hommy….2Chainz has songs with Kreayshawn, but not Mach-Hommy. Mach-Hommy got beats from Kaytranada but not Timbaland. That’s Hip Hops problem. Nobody is a fan of this shit to the point of that producing CLASSIC songs and albums, they don’t love it as much as they used to.
Like why is Jay Z having dinners with his favorite lyricists but signing artists he doesn’t listen to? I’m sorry but I don’t believe Jay Z is bumpin Lil Uzi Vert by choice at home, although he has a ROC-a-Fella chain and they’re good friends, I still highly doubt it. But you know what makes sense though? “Jay-Z feat. BoriRock & Estee Nack” , “Jay-Z feat. Westside Gunn & Pop Smoke”, “Jay-Z feat. Mach-Hommy, Tha God Fahim, Your Old Droog”. You know what you’ll get though? “Jay-Z feat. Adele” or “Eminem feat. Jason Derulo” before you get some shit like that.
You said a lot to NOT SAY SHIT
I see your point, ultimately if the collabs wont happen naturally then they arent meant to be. It wouldnt result in the best product it could be
Busta has worked with WSG and Smino so it’s not only mainstream stars but yeah I get what you’re saying.
U dang right
imo this mostly jus happens on already old plp in the idustrey trying to re light the essence they once had on their younger days, being for profit or not, it just doesnt work its not genuine
authenticity!!
Good vid
Thanks fam 🙏🏽
Real old hip hop heads dgaf bout none of this gibberish...they dont care about spotlight...an alot aint really pressed to work wit the newbies....
Idk wtf you're talking about but collabs do suck. When they were rare it was a surprise and dope.
Truth be told, hip hop been dead. The problem is all ya young dudes still holding on to it... Copying an era you didn't live nor really understand.
Y'all need to get your own thing going...
Stop riding our di@k!! Be original, get your own shit!
I feel u on the busts and coi joint, that was garbage. They were try to pay homage to jay z and foxy. Ice cube needs to stop. The Eminem baby tron big sean track is hard and the video is like Eminem older videos 🔥
yk u dropped a banger when the old heads writing paragraphs in the comments 😂
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Em feels like a dam clone lol. I'm joking....kind of. Idk it feels weird to me too.....I think it's the videos....old school hip-hop has a certain swag but they probably do feel inauthentic.....cause in today's rap...ppl want bullshit. But I don't feel that with Kendrick but new em feels weird to me . He's not a clone I was jk.................
The label's are pressing the old heads to drop, especially to feature these more label-pushed artists.
Maybe they lost the plot 🤷🏽♂️
I think it's because they just trying to get money,
few of em just out of their prime, so when they be talking shit, you just can't take it serious,
also nas still doing it, working with Hit Boy, and collaborating with Asap and 21
Nas is another great example of doing it with grace. He still feels authentic in a way
Yo great video. I think em and those like him don’t collab enough. Couldn’t imagine em cooking ideas with Tyler, or j Cole. Just anybody that ain’t him lol
@@nene-music-officialDo you think Ye is doing it authentically? He’s an older artist as well.
IDK about ur take sounds like you want hand outs , the ogs coming back coz rap is going downhill they dont have to , but if the ogs do collabs they will choose who they champion not us
lmao not hand outs no, Im just hoping that collabs come from a place of love for the artist and their music (whoever it is), and not for a quick buck
half of those old heds play cops on tv, how is that hiphop?more like traitors
One Thing IS its all over produced. Doesnt Sound good. Needs to Sound Raw. Also they Rap the same stuffas before Just in tired Version. They should Rap what they really living. Not Always that "i come Back, thats the Comeback bla bla" Rap bullshit. They Just quote their quote.
I mean let's be honest thay don't have the hart for it and the industry is telling them and it's about them being older
I love it, yall just weird asf
Not Necros music....
Instantly knew what you were talking about. All of the examplae you mentioned came to mind. Common and Pete Rock's collab made some good music recently. Dre and Snoop just dropped a song that feels like it's 20+ years too late.
Idk, I like that Dre and Snoop junt. Been waiting on something like it for a while. However, aside from it, I generally stick to Lloyd Banks and Curren$y. I love that Banks stays in his lane though and isn't worried about appealing to everyone. I see folks on here and IG trying to tell him he needs a new sound. He just simply tells them to find someone else that has the sound they want. I love that. He won't conform and sticks to what he's comfortable with.
A few things.... I agree that a lot of current stuff sometimes sounds more like "content" instead of music. However, with older artists, heads want them to still sound the same as they did in 1997. People GROW & aren't in the same mindstate they were once in. You REALLY want these 50 somethings to make club bangers when they got bored with the club over 20 years ago? Plus, younger heads are WAY more critical of legends in hip hop than any other genres.
Casting couch set up?
I’m building up studio it’s not finished yet!! 😭😭 ya nashty
Ironically The Alchemist is Eminem’s DJ 😂
Makes ZERO sense. Eminem has one the 5 best producers as his DJ and yet he insists on continuing to handicap himself by making his own beats because he is a shit producer.
This such feels like hater energy. Whats the tangible youre talking about here
Nah
The LL album is very dope did you listen at alll WTF
Dude kind of sounds lost in this.
To say all of those Quote "oldheads"that you named new stuff doesn't sound authentic is weird as fuck because we can differentiate them from each other where as the new generation of rapper has some weird ass phobia of standing out ,that punch in format and same rap cadence is not authentic and frankly it's boring as shit its waaaay to many of yall sounding the same and it is cheapening the culture and its value.....Notice people aren't really paying to go see but a handful of the new rapper and I'm sure most of us know who they are.
That’s fair, I think each generation appreciates a different aspect of the craft. I just want quality regardless of what era it’s from
@nene-music-official exactly quality should be the key point
I think bc they’re TOO old. These guys are in their mid to late 50s. They were considered old 10-15 yrs ago. They gotta sit down.
The real problem is the music overall is outdated. The music has been Terry Kiser
of Weekend At Bernies since the mid 80's when it was transformed into a government
psy ops and rappers became pro wrestling controlled oppositional agent provocateur
propagandist characters for record company execs and stock brokers who invest in
the private prison industry via the NYSE selling our people gang life criminal culture
social separation, isolation and prison life. Hip Hop Boom Bap now a days is worthless.
This generation is like previous generations seriously ill informed but this one in
particular is weak and entitled living off of the past rather than creating their own
identity, they dick ride a dead music used as a political weapon against its followers
who are stupid enough to support it and participate in a form of music that has been
and still is destructive and used as a weapon to cause social division and isolation
based on delusional socially constructed generalizations and stereotypes.
Why hasn't this generation or the previous one (Y) come up with its own form of
expression apart from Hip Hop, Trap, Drill or any other current music that was
appropriated and or affiliated with previous music genres created by gen x? Ah
because they are too scared to branch out on their own still hanging on to the
sick ways of gen x passed on to y and now z who is NOT living life on their own
terms but on the terms of the previously aforementioned generation.
You are a music producer right? Why don't you create a new form of music and
a new expression that isn't dick riding a dead in the water music who's artist were
fake, government agents, sexual deviants or supporters of such like KRSONE who
despite Africa Bambooty being exposed as a pedo still supports him. Busta has
been Busted and exposed as a boty boy. We already know about Diddy and so many
others.
Start by making new music that disassociates itself from hip hop, trap, drill or any
other musical genre used as a weapon against the masses, create a scene that doesn't
include the main stream or appropriates from previous musical genres. Don't be scared
to be different from the previous generation which is the problem with the current one.
Think for yourselves and stop allowing peddlers of the past influence you into staying
stagnant and stuck in the mud. Stop being afraid to live in accordance to how you feel
and express it in a positive and productive way that doesn't play into the hands of the
corrupt. Stand for something and stop falling for everything.
With everything being exposed about the weirdos in the business this os the perfect
time to make that change by showing them that you can create a positive uplifting
world full of love and peace of mind vs continuing a saga that was and is predetermined
and rigged for things to stay as they are. Defy society's expectations and create your
own that makes you stand out from all of the past generations. Learn from their stupid
mistakes and don't repeat them.
Nah. Hip-Hop is ours. You should watch Microphone Check by Tariq.
@@TheCreatorNFE Hip hop belongs to the white music business overall.
its a socially constructed concept that is used as a weapon against its
followers. Haven't you been paying attention? Or are in denial? I think
the latter.
@@TheCreatorNFE Who the eff is Tariq? oh right that government
agent provocateur who appeared on Conan O Brian as a pimp but
but now he's a supposed black national. That guys a joke. Better
do ya homework on that clown.
Nah Eminem is the shit