Bobby Fischer vs Greenblatt: Chess Genius takes on Technology (1977)

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  • @chrishauser5505
    @chrishauser5505 Год назад +16

    Had no idea Fischer ever played a computer, much less as early as 1977!
    Thanks, Jerry!

    • @worsethanjoerogan8061
      @worsethanjoerogan8061 Год назад +3

      He said the thing he liked best about the Greenblatt Computer was it couldn't resign and so it had to let him carry out his beautiful checkmate 😂

  • @lowlight92
    @lowlight92 Год назад +61

    Jerry asking existential questions to the f4 pawn made me sad...

  • @alphapharockson1800
    @alphapharockson1800 Год назад +8

    This kind of content is why I subscribed so many years ago. Love your informative style. Keep uploading

  • @nirajways
    @nirajways Год назад +4

    Was just thinking about watching an old video of yours and boom comes a notification. Its gonna be a good day! Thanks Jerry ♥️

  • @shubhamrahinj6864
    @shubhamrahinj6864 Год назад +7

    If chess analysis was a game , you would be magnus carlsen of that.
    Absolutely gorgeous analysis

    • @ChessNetwork
      @ChessNetwork  Год назад

      Thank you for the compliment. ❤️

  • @brennenhiatt8459
    @brennenhiatt8459 Год назад +9

    Jerry you are an absolute legend of chess content. Thank you so much for all the knowledge you have given me

  • @Yohyzo
    @Yohyzo Год назад +9

    I really enjoyed that little Fischer bobble head on e4 for some reason 🤣

  • @recchi51
    @recchi51 Год назад +5

    Slick editing on that E4 opening move. Along with all of your other progressions as a creator and player, I’ve enjoyed watching your development as an editor. Nice!

  • @theherk
    @theherk Год назад +4

    I love your channel. Very simple explanations and that smooth articulation. Been here for a long time and appreciate you. Keep up the good work.

  • @cptnoremac
    @cptnoremac Год назад +4

    I loved this video. Fischer and early chess computers are both fascinating.

  • @YuriLowellFan
    @YuriLowellFan Год назад +10

    Even though it's just one game, I'm surprised that a Chess computer in 1977 had a pretty decent accuracy against Fischer's very high accuracy.

  • @jeremyying3602
    @jeremyying3602 Год назад +6

    Jerry, loved the video. Just wanted to say every time you say pop quiz, I sit up straighter in my chair. I've been out of school for years, and it's such a rush. Thank you so much for your hard work.

  • @bobby5776
    @bobby5776 Год назад +4

    Thank you Jerry!

  • @HouseRN
    @HouseRN Год назад +6

    10:29
    Me, being a long-time ChessNetwork viewer:
    “That’s a FAMILY fork!”

  • @soanywaysillstartedblastin2797
    @soanywaysillstartedblastin2797 Год назад +12

    I watched this on acid and it all started making sense wtf???!!

  • @TheSoulBlossom
    @TheSoulBlossom Год назад +1

    Excellent video! Thank you

  • @ryanpittel1829
    @ryanpittel1829 Год назад +8

    Speaking of computers, it turns out Stockfish 15 can now solve that one famous chess puzzle that gave engines problems (you made a video on it 10 years ago). It solves it after 1 billion nodes (a minute or two on my laptop). I’m not sure if an online version will cut it for the depth required though.

    • @BREAKocean
      @BREAKocean Год назад +1

      How did you acquire stock fish 15 and what kind of computer do you use?

  • @richardfabrizio8998
    @richardfabrizio8998 Год назад +2

    Great analysis Jerry. Very informative. Thanks

  • @OregonMikeH
    @OregonMikeH Год назад +2

    Huge Thumbs Up! Absolutely Loved it! .. Thanks

  • @RicardGomes76
    @RicardGomes76 Год назад +3

    Wow! Fisher did played against an engine before Kaspa!!! That's good history! TY GM!

  • @hello37175
    @hello37175 Год назад +5

    Sir your videos and commentary are the very best out there. Thank you for your service and efforts. A request, can you post videos for the 60 games of Fischers from his book, my 60 memorable games ?

  • @JP-lr8rr
    @JP-lr8rr Год назад +3

    Thanks Jerry, that was cool

  • @JustMe3.1415
    @JustMe3.1415 Год назад +6

    Instructive episode! Appreciate your way of walking us through the game.

  • @alanplum7
    @alanplum7 Год назад +7

    good analysis!

    • @davesmith5656
      @davesmith5656 Год назад

      A lot of chess principles named and illustrated in this.

  • @hinteregions
    @hinteregions Год назад +3

    Extra interesting, thank you 🙂

  • @constantijndekker8343
    @constantijndekker8343 Год назад +6

    Interestingly, the one inaccuracy Fischer makes was actually when castling. Maybe he did not evaluate correctly that the endgame was equal after that h3 move! Instead I found (with the help of Stockfish) that he should have given a check on h4 and after g3, he can park his queen on h3 to prevent white from castling there. It can be chased away with Bf1 but then jt drops back to h5 and the queen remains a pest there

  • @apiolxi
    @apiolxi Год назад +1

    Jerry, thank you. I Enjoy your analysis. Very helpful

  • @MsUncleKevin
    @MsUncleKevin Год назад +5

    Im so happy to see old games!

  • @alvarocastroregueiro
    @alvarocastroregueiro 9 месяцев назад +3

    It’s fun how Fischer plays the late endgame, he wants the full queen as you say, he wants to end the game asap, perfectionist mentality. Its like saying to the white rook, you should have taken the passed pawn when you could, now that you havent done it, you will never be able to. Yeah I think he must have thought the computer should have resigned before, he could have played Bf3 + and queening in the next move and he chose to give the check in h3 winning the rook, not sacrificing the bishop, I think he wanted to teach white rook a lesson. Very nice analysis as always. Thank you

  • @marksfeir7615
    @marksfeir7615 Год назад +8

    jerry all you do is make great content

  • @EannaButler
    @EannaButler Год назад +2

    Excellent video! Definitely subbing... Thanks 👍👍

  • @isaacong77
    @isaacong77 Год назад +6

    That moving Fischer head at e4 :o

  • @denisrho1019
    @denisrho1019 8 месяцев назад +2

    Tale of the Tape; I like that on full screen (thanks).

  • @PushyPawn
    @PushyPawn Год назад +5

    I found an endangered, ChessNetwork species video in my notifications today.
    Score! 🍿

  • @MrPharoah77
    @MrPharoah77 Год назад +1

    Great video! I was born that year.

  • @williamogilvie6909
    @williamogilvie6909 Год назад +12

    I played against that program in 1976 when I was a sophomore at MIT. I used a terminal of the Delphi computer lab to access it, late one night. I beat the program by pushing a pass pawn and queening it. At that point most of the pieces were gone. We were even for almost the whole game. It appeared to me that Greenblatt's program was ignoring my pawn pushes and was fixated on its own end game strategy. It took several hours to complete the game because very little cpu time was allocated to it. I think I started playing at 9:30 PM and finally won around 4:00 AM. About 5 years later, I met Richard Greenblatt and told him I had beaten his program. He was impressed. I have never played competitively. However, I have beaten one or two strong players in my time. The Greenblatt chess program I played against was not as strong as Fischer's version.

    • @robertomifano4992
      @robertomifano4992 6 месяцев назад +1

      Nice story, congrats and thanks for sharing

    • @jimwinchester339
      @jimwinchester339 6 месяцев назад

      Did you make that last statement just empirically, or are you aware of specific upgrades and/or versions of the program?

  • @ConeDaRagusa
    @ConeDaRagusa Год назад +2

    10:15 does not have to capture knight...bishop and rook for a queen and bishop defends later c3...black did not castle yet and queen check from h3 is met by pawn on g3..so Fisher did well with pawn push to attack bishop on d4..

  • @ellehooq
    @ellehooq Год назад +1

    Jerry by far the best chess content

  • @tombailey6625
    @tombailey6625 Год назад +2

    Nice , interesting

  • @joseraulcapablanca8564
    @joseraulcapablanca8564 Год назад

    A nice win. Thanks Jerry

  • @coachwilliamsakadr.gambit5334
    @coachwilliamsakadr.gambit5334 Год назад +5

    EXCELLENT Kevin, I always learn something from your videos sir.

  • @michaelmassaro4375
    @michaelmassaro4375 Год назад +3

    Have to hand it to Black very strong play so much for white having the advantage that weak pawn that was moved early to protect the other pawn did end up as a negative as you stated nice work by the Bishops

  • @artcamp7
    @artcamp7 Год назад +3

    Fischer was the real machine here. I had always heard about these games as though they were laughably bad but what a good game.

  • @JohnIshIshmael
    @JohnIshIshmael Год назад +3

    Calm, lucid analysis and commentary. Thank you (name?). Hugs and blessings ISH 🤗
    John ISH Ishmael

    • @DennisAllard
      @DennisAllard Год назад +3

      His name is Jerry. He starts off all his videos with "Hi everyone, it's Jerry. "

    • @KingoftheJuice18
      @KingoftheJuice18 6 месяцев назад

      @@DennisAllard Ok, sure, but besides that whatcha got?

  • @Jrkgzn
    @Jrkgzn Год назад +2

    New subscriber! 👋

  • @RoyGazoff
    @RoyGazoff Год назад +1

    The game is very good 👌

  • @mehrdadlachini7186
    @mehrdadlachini7186 Год назад +3

    Bobby fischer the king of chess❤️

  • @melusindhlovu8905
    @melusindhlovu8905 Год назад +7

    Hi Jerry, it's everyone.

  • @theincompleteskeptic8079
    @theincompleteskeptic8079 Год назад +1

    Interesting. Thanks.
    How do you (or anyone reading this) make arrows appear on your (an) instruction board?

  • @gianfrancociv1982
    @gianfrancociv1982 Год назад +1

    Hi Jerry, I like a lot your material and it really has helped me on a lot of matches. But I wonder, could you do a video explaining how to analice the moves you do on a game? For example the 2 previous videos where you played balck and white with the queens gambit you illustrate the way you analice what piece to move and why and its amazing how you seem to predict your opponents moves and intentions. How do I learn to do that? Could you make a video on that particular matter ? How to move correctly and congruently with what is happening on the board. Thanks again for you great material, sorry for any misspellings

  • @TomJones-tx7pb
    @TomJones-tx7pb Год назад +2

    Really nice commentary.

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 Год назад +1

    Deflections are extreme poison.

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 Год назад +1

    At around 14:30 Jerry asked what now? I have watched many Bobby reviews and I call
    it putting your brain into Bobby mode. I have seen him many time id the undefended piece in the camp of his nemesis and immediately seek it with abandon and kill it. Bobby mode. Here not so.
    This is what they call a situation?

  • @cyberhype5495
    @cyberhype5495 Год назад +9

    Bobby Fischer circa. 1977 would have bashed Deep Blue 6-0

  • @ekremkorkmaz8762
    @ekremkorkmaz8762 Год назад +1

    ty for the content. I watch your video's when going to sleep.

  • @guckfoogle2779
    @guckfoogle2779 Год назад +4

    Jerry is a prime example of why the chess community of RUclips keeps me from simply ignoring RUclips.

  • @00bikeboy
    @00bikeboy Год назад +3

    Always enjoy Jerry's content, but I only have the patience to play it at 1.25x 😊

  • @thejoetandy
    @thejoetandy Год назад +1

    Such a classy finish, making sure he won with a queen on board

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 Год назад +2

    I believe it was actually called Mac Hack, according to Wikipedia

  • @michaelmassaro4375
    @michaelmassaro4375 Год назад +1

    The knight is poison good point had me laughing 😂

  • @KF1
    @KF1 Год назад

    Nice

  • @kenallen4175
    @kenallen4175 Год назад

    Did Fischer win all 3 games or just this one? Also I though he never played again until the rematch with Spassky.

  • @pianosRepic
    @pianosRepic Год назад +1

    I often play ..g6 against 1.e4; then 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5.
    After all, I'm gonna want to play c5 at some point, so if I can get away with it why not here?
    Got a lot of flak on my chess club, but it's good to see Fischer doesn't consider it bad ^^

  • @michaeledwards2251
    @michaeledwards2251 Год назад +5

    I am convinced Fischer's accuracy is underrated. The apparent inaccuracy is due to his probing GREENBLATT.

  • @loplop7029
    @loplop7029 Год назад +1

    Hi Jerry.

  • @ZDTF
    @ZDTF 8 месяцев назад +2

    11:00
    One piece

  • @SixNAC
    @SixNAC Год назад

    Interesting game, crazy to see a chess computer be defeated by a human, that wouldn't be possible today

  • @sanelprtenjaca9147
    @sanelprtenjaca9147 Год назад +1

    ...c5 played twice.

  • @Tirthankar17
    @Tirthankar17 Год назад

    After move 21, what happens if white plays Nd5?

  • @scribebat
    @scribebat Год назад +1

    😎

  • @georgetomlinson2731
    @georgetomlinson2731 Год назад +5

    You finally made a video that actually lead to checkmate instead of a resign for once
    +1 point

    • @bcfblack
      @bcfblack Год назад +1

      This is apparently part of why Fischer enjoyed playing against the Greenblatt computer - it allowed him to play his combinations and ideas out to the end!

    • @georgetomlinson2731
      @georgetomlinson2731 Год назад

      @@bcfblack well it toke merry long enough to do a full match

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 Год назад +3

    Extremely well done. I am not an overly polite guy and thus rarely would I say this type of thing. Good job.

  • @jeffersonthomas1269
    @jeffersonthomas1269 Год назад +4

    Normally I would complain about a 20 minute slow paced video, however, I have watched this twice and saved it for viewing a third time. THAT is a first ever for me and a slow paced 20 minute video. Kick Arse.

    • @ppal64
      @ppal64 Год назад +2

      Normally, if you have a problem with a 20 minute video - you know what you can speed it up. And it becomes a 10 minute video mind blown.

  • @Leo_1162
    @Leo_1162 Год назад

    Like Done Host

  • @Riker-ER
    @Riker-ER Год назад

    👍

  • @c2c001
    @c2c001 Год назад +1

    Actually, 3...Bg7 is a mistake.
    Beyond 4.dxc5 which is preferable for white in comparison to a regular Sicilian the positional 4.d5 is better for white

    • @Tinil0
      @Tinil0 Год назад +2

      ...I'm having real trouble understanding how 3...Bg7 is a mistake instead of a sideline. What does it sacrifice bad enough to be considered a mistake by the third move?

    • @c2c001
      @c2c001 Год назад +2

      @@Tinil0 I honestly don’t know how else to put it but to fully answer your question I’ll need to write a small book and include a lot of analysis.
      On the other hand if I’ll give you a short answer it may not explain anything to you.
      I’ll try to sum it up but I don’t know if I I’ll be successful:
      First of all, my main point is the comparison between the three possible basic set-ups and their corresponding variations.
      Those being: 1) a regular Sicilian after 3…cxd4, 2) a Benoni style structure after 4.d5 and 3) 4.dxc5.
      1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 Bg7
      3) 4. dxc5 after 4… Qa5+ 5. c3 Qxc5 white is already doing amazingly well. Black’s queen had to move twice and is positioned directly where white can develop whilst further attacking it thus gaining time so even 6.Be3 is perfectly fine. The Bg7 is attacking granite because the c3-pawn is doing a good job. White has open lines everywhere and more space. This is a very simple case of white being better and black literally has zero “compensation”. Black has no tricky ideas, no counter attack, no initiative, nothing whatsoever.
      However, to demonstrate just how bad it can get let’s continue with 6.Na3! This seemingly innocuous move is actually amazingly tricky to meet. If black just wants to continue developing in normal Sicilian like manner whilst disallowing e4-e5 he may very well choose 6…d6 where we can immediately see why white is so much better (and in fact the computer engine already gives this position a +1) after the continuation 7.Nb5! (Threatening Be3) and here an idea variation to demonstrate my concept can be seen after 7… a6? 8. Be3 Qc6 9. Na7! (Another idea in the structure is 9. Ng5! axb5?? 10. Qb3 threatening both Qxf7+ as well as Bb5 1-0) 9... Qc7 10. Nxc8 Qxc8 11. Qb3 Nf6 12. e5 dxe5 13. Nxe5 O-O 14. Nxf7 Rxf7 15. Bc4 1-0
      2) 4.d5 for all pragmatic reasons makes playing the Sicilian defeating the very purpose. White kept the central duo, it will be harder for black to play Nc6, white has more space and most importantly this is a somewhat Benoni structure (Benoni: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 g6 4. Nc3 d6 5. e4 Bg7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. h3 a6 8. a4 Nbd7 9. Bd3) where white has been theoretically proven to be winning. So it could continue with: 4…d6 (4... Nf6 5. Nc3 with a favourable Pirc like / Modern like structure) 5. c4 trans-positioning back to a Benoni.
      In comparison to the two variations and their corresponding structures mentioned above, the normal Sicilian after:
      1) 3…cxd4 (which will result in an accelerated (hyper) dragon Sicilian) is simply far far far more beneficial to black. I’m not going to go into AD theory but the mere fact that black has a game and has counter play should be sufficient to understand why it was better.
      For instance, after 3… cxd4 4. Nxd4 (4. Qxd4 Nf6 5. e5 Nc6 where black has the usual Sicilian counter play) 4... Nf6 5. Nc3 (5. e5 Qa5+) 5... d6 and we’re back in Sicilian land.

    • @BRNRDNCK
      @BRNRDNCK Год назад +1

      @@c2c001Bro all you needed was to give the refuting line for Bg7, this is too much info

    • @c2c001
      @c2c001 Год назад +2

      @@BRNRDNCK Assuming you're being serious you have no idea how naive what you just said truly is. Rare is the occasion where anything has a simple, singular, one line only, refutation.

  • @justinlindfors8512
    @justinlindfors8512 Год назад

    Hubert roasted himself after losing to a computer. He was right but at what cost?

  • @d3faulta
    @d3faulta Год назад +3

    Sometime I just want to watch the game with minimal commentary and analysis

    • @michaelmassaro4375
      @michaelmassaro4375 Год назад +4

      I felt Jerry did a Great Job with this one to the point

    • @trethekid
      @trethekid Год назад +1

      You can copy and paste the game notation and follow along yourself if you want…what’s the point of watching a chess account that breakdown the game, if you don’t want in depth commentary?

  • @pwcrabb5766
    @pwcrabb5766 Год назад +2

    Same content in half the time. Tempo!

  • @Sagdog77
    @Sagdog77 Год назад

    I actually found the winning move when jerry said only 1 move wins for the first time let’s goooo

  • @ppal64
    @ppal64 Год назад +3

    Computers can do anything. They are only limited by us. If they are failing at anything it’s not the computer’s fault. It’s our inability to write the correct instruction set.

  • @michaeledwards2251
    @michaeledwards2251 Год назад +1

    There is no reason to disregard the notion, yet, machines are unable to play high quality chess, as their are own positions they cannot solve. The notion humans can play high quality chess can definitely regarded as false.

  • @di380
    @di380 Год назад +1

    Profesor Hubert was not wrong unfortunately he was just not a good enough human chess player😂

  • @jaycdp
    @jaycdp Год назад

    Still caspro and his student magnus rules.

  • @DAS_k1ishEe
    @DAS_k1ishEe Год назад

    13:40
    I though you cannot castle when the either the rock or King is threatened? blacks white bishop attacks h1.

    • @tomandband
      @tomandband Год назад

      only for king

    • @G102Y5568
      @G102Y5568 Год назад +1

      You can't castle if your king is in check, or your King has to pass through a square controlled by the Bishop. Nothing about the Rook.

    • @ifbfmto9338
      @ifbfmto9338 Год назад

      Only the king is relevant for that rule, not the rook

    • @JimBalter
      @JimBalter Год назад

      Why did you think that?

  • @bennya2846
    @bennya2846 Год назад +2

    OMG ???? Please just make the moves and explain it, no need to start letting your mind wander into every possible move available, u could have done 3 games?..

    • @brilliantFlame
      @brilliantFlame Год назад +32

      the analysis is just perfect, what are you talking about?

    • @dodekaedius
      @dodekaedius Год назад +23

      pearls before swine...

    • @bdpv025
      @bdpv025 Год назад +4

      Why are you complaining lower rated guy?

    • @TerriblyIronic9
      @TerriblyIronic9 Год назад +2

      Hop off your soapbox please

    • @ArcaneTricksterRS
      @ArcaneTricksterRS Год назад +7

      Go play pac-man, kid.