Evaluating f(x+1/x)=x^65+1/x^65

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  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 2 года назад +10

    x^65 + 1/x^65 can be easily expressed in terms of x + 1/x. Notice that x^0 + 1/x^0 = 2, so if we consider g(n) = x^n + 1/x^n, then g(0) = 2, and given g(1), we want to find g(65) as a function of g(1). We know that (x + 1/x)·[x^(n + 1) + 1/x^(n + 1)] = x^(n + 2) + 1/x^(n + 2) + x^n + 1/x^n, which is equivalent to g(1)·g(n + 1) = g(n + 2) + g(n), which has characteristic polynomial t^2 - g(1)·t + 1 = 0, which is equivalent to [t - g(1)/2]^2 + 1 - [g(1)/2]^2, which is equivalent to [t - g(1)/2]^2 = [g(1)/2]^2 - 1], which is equivalent to t = g(1)/2 - sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1) or t = g(1)/2 + sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1). Therefore, g(n) = A·{g(1)/2 - sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1)}^n + B·{g(1)/2 + sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1)}^n, and using the initial conditions, it can be proven that A = B = 1, hence g(n) = {g(1)/2 - sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1)}^n + {g(1)/2 + sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1)}^n. Let g(1) = 1, hence g(1)/2 - sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1) = 1/2 - sqrt(1/4 - 1) = 1/2 - sqrt(3)/2·i = cos(π/3) - sin(π/3)·i = exp(-π/3·i), while g(1)/2 + sqrt([g(1)/2]^2 - 1) = exp(π/3·i), so g(n) = exp(n·π·i/3) + exp(-n·π·i/3) = cos(n·π/3) + sin(n·π/3)·i + cos(n·π/3) - sin(n·π/3)·i = 2·cos(n·π/3). If T[n, u] is the nth Chebyshev polynomial of order n, then T[n, cos(t)] = cos(n·t), hence g(n) = 2·cos(n·π/3) = 2·T[n, cos(π/3)] = 2·T[n, 1/2], so f(1) = 2·T[65, 1/2] = 2·cos(65·π/3). 65·π/3 = (66 - 1)·π/3 = 22·π - π/3 = 11·(2·π) - π/3, so 2·cos(65·π/3) = 2·cos(-π/3) = 2·cos(π/3) = 2·1/2 = 1. Therefore, f(1) = 1, and in fact, more generally, f(x) = (x/2 + sqrt[(x/2) - 1])^65 + (x/2 - sqrt[(x/2) - 1])^65, thus solving the functional equation over C.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Very nice, as always!!! 🧡

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 2 года назад

      How is sqrt defined here?

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 2 года назад

      @@anshumanagrawal346 For the purposes of this exercise, it actually does not matter, since all choices of branch give the same uniquely well-defined f. This is because if you replace all radicals with their negative, you get the same expression.

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 2 года назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 Interesting

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 2 года назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 But still, in general how is the square root of a complex number defined? In my class we just learned it to have both valued

  • @yoav613
    @yoav613 2 года назад +8

    Nice!! I know how to solve it by complex numbers method x=e^ipi/3,but your methods are great!😀💯

  • @indusrealty4617
    @indusrealty4617 2 года назад +10

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  • @chaosredefined3834
    @chaosredefined3834 2 года назад +3

    In the first one, you could skip some steps. You had x^4 = -x. Raising each side to the fourth power would give you x^16 = x^4, so x^16 = -x. Raising each side to the 4th power again, you get x^64 = x^4, giving you x^64 = -x again.

  • @CipriValdezate
    @CipriValdezate 2 года назад

    I'm very grateful you for this video and for your playlist about functional equations.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Np. Glad to hear that! 🥰

  • @henrybarber288
    @henrybarber288 2 года назад +4

    There is quite a handy formula which is related to the 2nd method.
    If z = cosθ + i sinθ, then for all integers n:
    z^n + 1/z^n = 2cos(nθ)
    You can use this to find the argument of a number x that satisfies x + 1/x = 1, and from there to find the value of x^65 + 1/x^65.

  • @Rbmukthegreat
    @Rbmukthegreat 2 года назад +2

    The last method was AWESOME!

  • @leickrobinson5186
    @leickrobinson5186 2 года назад +6

    What an interesting function.
    Just doing it in my head, but I think the answer is...
    1?
    I believe that the function is real-valued everywhere (a surprise - I didn’t think it would be at first.)

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 года назад +3

      I'm not sure what function you are referring to when you say "the function is real-valued everywhere".
      If you mean the function x+1/x, this is real-valued for complex x precisely when x is real and non-zero or has modulus 1.
      Here are three proofs.
      1st proof
      Suppose x≠0, and let x=a+bi, with a, b real.
      Then x+1/x=a+bi + 1/(a+bi)
      = a+bi + (a-bi)/[(a+bi)(a-bi)] (as a-bi≠0)
      = a+bi + (a-bi)/(a²+b²)
      = [(a+bi)(a²+b²) + (a-bi)]/(a²+b²)
      = [a(a²+b²+1) + (a²+b²-1)bi]/(a²+b²)
      The imaginary part (a²+b²-1)b/(a²+b²) is zero iff (a²+b²-1)b=0
      a²+b²-1=0 or b=0
      a²+b²=1 or b=0
      |x|²=1 or b=0
      |x|=1 (as |x|>0) or b=0
      i.e. x has modulus 1 or x is real and non-zero.
      2nd proof
      Suppose x≠0, and let x=re^(iθ), where r>0 and θ real,
      so 1/x=r⁻¹e^(-iθ),
      and x+1/x=re^(iθ)+r⁻¹e^(-iθ)
      =r(cosθ+isinθ)+r⁻¹(cosθ-isinθ)
      =(r+r⁻¹)cosθ+i(r-r⁻¹)sinθ.
      The imaginary part (r-r⁻¹)sinθ=0 iff r-r⁻¹=0 or sinθ=0.
      r-r⁻¹=0 r²-1=0 r=1 (as r>0), i.e. x has modulus 1
      and sinθ=0 x is real and non-zero..
      3rd proof
      A complex number is real iff it equals its complex conjugate.
      So, for complex non-zero x,
      x+1/x is real iff
      x+1/x=(x+1/x)*=x*+(1/x)*=x*+1/x*
      (x-x*)+(1/x-1/x*)=0
      (x-x*)+(x*-x)/(xx*)=0
      (x-x*)+(x*-x)/|x|²=0
      |x|²(x-x*)+(x*-x)=0 (as |x|²≠0)
      (|x|²-1)(x-x*)=0
      |x|²-1=0 or x-x*=0
      |x|=1 (as |x|>0) or x=x*
      x has modulus 1 or x is real and non-zero.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад +1

      @@MichaelRothwell1 Wow!

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 2 года назад

      How could it be? That would contradict the fact that Polynomial Equations are always solvable in C

    • @orchestra2603
      @orchestra2603 2 года назад +1

      @@MichaelRothwell1 also got this conclusion using conjugates. Actually, it also applies to the function x^n + 1/x^n. It works because (z^n)*=(z*)^n, and in the end you'll arrive at z*^n • z^n = (z•z*)^n = 1. Difference is only that you'll have also additional real outputs for complex non-unit-module input x with 2n different arguments theta = (π/n)*k, k - arbitrary integer. That's because [r•e^(iπk/n)]^n leads to real values too even with r≠1.
      But I guess what might be meant is this. The thing is if you have an equation f(x+ 1/x) = x^n + 1/x^n, then resultant f(x) turns out to be real for any real n and x (not only "1" as in this example). Check it out. Substitute x + 1/x = t, then you get that x = t/2 ± √(t^2 - 4)/2. If t≥2, x is real, and RHS expression is obviously real - trivial. But if t

    • @orchestra2603
      @orchestra2603 2 года назад +1

      Did you want to say "real-valued everywhere in R"? Since f(i) already returns two different complex values

  • @MichaelRothwell1
    @MichaelRothwell1 2 года назад +1

    Nice problem with nice multiple solutions as usual.
    Here is a variant on Method 3:
    Show x³=-1 as before.
    Then x⁶=1, x⁶⁶=(x⁶)¹¹=1¹¹=1,
    x⁶⁵=1/x, x⁶⁵+1/x⁶⁵=1/x+x=1.

  • @AnmolTheMathSailor
    @AnmolTheMathSailor 2 года назад +1

    SyberMaths love for functional equation will never get old

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад +1

      That's true! I'm in love with functions!!!

  • @christophniessl9279
    @christophniessl9279 2 года назад

    abbreviation: for real x with |x|>=2 let a := (x+sqrt(x²-4))/2 and b := (x-sqrt(x²-4))/2; then obviously a*b = 1 or a = 1/b, and a + 1/a = a + b = x.
    Now let the function f_n: R -> R be defined as follows (n is any natural number) :
    f_n(x) := 0 for |x| < 2
    f_n(x) := a^n + b^n for |x| >=2
    then for all real y > 0 we define x := y + 1/y and a,b as above; note |x| >=2.
    by construction we know
    for y>1 or -1

  • @covidiotseverywhere2179
    @covidiotseverywhere2179 2 года назад

    You can also write the solution of x^2 - x + 1 = 0 as -ω and -ω^2 from complex number analysis. Now, using the fact that ω = 1/ω^2 and 1 + ω + ω^2 = 0. The answer is simply solved to one

  • @ManjulaMathew-wb3zn
    @ManjulaMathew-wb3zn 10 месяцев назад

    Actually in method 1 one of the steps was x^4=-x
    Since x is non zero divide both sides by x so you get x^3=-1 and the rest would be the same as method 3.
    Also x^65+1/x^65 = -(x^2+1/x^2) = -((x+1/x)^2-2) =1

  • @BRUBRUETNONO
    @BRUBRUETNONO 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this interesting function.
    f(x+1/x)=x^65+1/x^65
    I went further in the study of it.
    I have been looking for an explicit expression of f.
    Explicit expression ?
    Suppose y=x+1/x (looking f(y) expression)
    then x^2-yx+1=0 and x solves in 2 cases:
    -Case 1: -22 then x=(y+/-sqrt(y^2-4))/2
    So case 1 gives an x of module as
    |x|^2=1/4(y^2+(4-y^2))=4/4=1 then module of x=1
    Let a=arg(x), then cos(a)=y/2/1=y/2
    And a=arg(x)=arccos(y/2)
    x can then be written as e^+/-ia so f(y) is as follows:
    f(y)=e^+i65a+e^-i65a with a=arg(x)=arccos(y/2)
    Finally, for -2

  • @shekharsanjay9494
    @shekharsanjay9494 2 года назад

    Please throw some questions on recursive functional equations and its solutions thru characteristics equations

  • @佐藤広-c4p
    @佐藤広-c4p 2 года назад

    In this problem, the absolute value of x is 1, and the order of the expression to be obtained is as high as 65, so the second method-- x is expressed in the polar form of trigonometric functions, and De Moivre's theorem is used on the unit circle of the complex plane-- is the easiest and easiest to understand. I think you should get used to this method as it can be applied to similar problems. x+1/x=1 ⇒ x^2-x+1=0 ⇒ x=(1±i√3)/2, and expressed in polar form of trigonometric function, It becomes x=cos(±π/3)+i*sin(±π/3). Using De Moivre's theorem based on this, They will be x^6={cos(±π/3)+i*sin(± π/3)}^6=cos(±2π)+i*sin(±2π)=1, x^3={cos(±π/3)+i * sin(±π/3)}^3=cos(± π)+i*sin(±π)=-1, x^2= cos(±π/3)+i*sin(±π/3)}^2=cos(±2π/3)+i*sin(±2π/3) =-1/2±i√3/2. In other words, from the initial line, 6th power is 1 rotation, cubed is half rotation, and squared is 2π/3(120 °) rotation. Therefore, It can be solved as x^65={(x^6)^10}*(x^3)*(x^2)={(1)^10}*(-1)*(x^2)=(1)*(-1)* (x^2)=-(x^2), therefore, x^65+1/(x^65)=-(x^2)-1/(x^2) =-{( x ^2)+1/(x^2)}=-{(-1/2+i√3/2)+(-1/2-i√3/2)} or -{(-1/2)-i√3/2)+(-1/2+i√3/2)}=-(-1/2-1/2) =-(-1) = 1.
    No matter how much the multiplier of x increases, if you can understand that the value "turns on the unit circle", then all you have to do is know which position [1+i*0, 1/2+i*(√3/2),-1/2+i*(√3/2), -1+i*0, -1/2-i *(√3/2), 1/2-i*(√3/2)] to go by the multiplier.

  • @faciletutorials3447
    @faciletutorials3447 2 года назад

    My solution:
    Let An = x^n + 1 / x^n
    A1 = 1
    We are trying to find A65
    (x^n-1 + 1 / x^n-1) * (x + 1/x) = x^n + 1 / x^n + x^n-2 + 1/x^n-2
    An-1 * A1 = An + An-2
    An-1 = An + An-2
    An = An-1 - An-2 defines a recursive sequence
    Write the sequence:
    A0 = 2
    A1 = 1
    A2 = -2
    A3 = -2
    A4 = -1
    A5 = 1
    ------------- repeats every 6 values
    A6 = 2
    A7 = 1
    ...
    65 mod 6 = 5, so A65 = A5 = 1

  • @satturmuruges
    @satturmuruges 2 года назад

    Salute to Prof. You have attempted for possible ways for solution. Good presentation. worthy tips to student of Mathematics.

  • @advaykumar9726
    @advaykumar9726 2 года назад +5

    Substitute x=-w where w is complex cube root of unity
    Then x^65=-w^65=-w^2
    x^-65=-w^-65=-w^130=-w
    -w^2-w=1
    Hence f(1)=1

  • @fdr2275
    @fdr2275 2 года назад

    What is the domain of f? Does it have to be the set of all complex numbers? Can f be a real value function for this problem to make any sense?

  • @glaiskar
    @glaiskar 2 года назад

    What was the formula you used in 2nd method when you raised the trigonometric sum to the power of 65?

  • @kaslircribs5804
    @kaslircribs5804 2 года назад

    Excellent! Wonderful solution! Thank you sir!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Np. Thank you!!! 🧡

  • @eyhd366
    @eyhd366 9 месяцев назад

    How can you assume x^2 +1 = x when they are actually not equal at all ?!!

  • @sapphosfriend9558
    @sapphosfriend9558 2 года назад

    Even the 1st method uses complex numbers. If we restrict x to be a real number, then x+1/x can never be 1.

  • @echandler
    @echandler 2 года назад

    Faster method 3:
    x³ = -1
    x⁶ = 1
    x⁶⁵ = x⁶⁶/x = 1/x
    1/x⁶⁵ = x
    x⁶⁵ + 1/x⁶⁵ = 1/x + x = x + 1/x = 1

  • @alextang4688
    @alextang4688 2 года назад +1

    Although the 3rd method is the fastest way, I love the 2nd method because it is more like I am doing the mathematics. 😁😁😁

  • @suranjanroy7528
    @suranjanroy7528 2 года назад +1

    x+1/x is continuous on the set of real numbers excluding 0..consider the sequence Xn(say) (1+1/n) converging to 1 so f(Xn) converges to f(1).. So limit(n tends to ♾️) f(Xn)=lim(n tends to ♾️)(1^65+(1/n)^65)=1=f(1).. So f(1)=1..

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 2 года назад

    I was about to solve it using your second method until I found out I had to raise that huge expression to the 65th power!

  • @bartolhrg7609
    @bartolhrg7609 2 года назад

    I used limit (I don't know if it is ok to do this):
    as x → ∞, x+1/x → 1 and x⁶⁵ + 1/x⁶⁵ → 1
    ⇒ f(1) = lim x→∞ [f(x+1/x)] = lim x→∞ [x⁶⁵ + 1/x⁶] = 1

    • @shacharh5470
      @shacharh5470 2 года назад

      how does x + 1/x go to 1 as x goes to infinity?? you should think this over again

    • @bartolhrg7609
      @bartolhrg7609 2 года назад

      @@shacharh5470 yea, my bad
      i calculated x+1/x = (x+1)/x

  • @beeruawana6662
    @beeruawana6662 2 года назад

    Very good question sir
    Thank you so much

  • @satyapalsingh4429
    @satyapalsingh4429 2 года назад

    You are genius , dear professor

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Oh, thank you for the kind words! 🥰

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 2 года назад

    x+1/x=1 percio'.x^2=x-1......calcolo facilmente x^4,x^8,x^16,x^32,x^64.....x^65+1/x^65=1

  • @jonathantshishimbi2708
    @jonathantshishimbi2708 2 года назад

    Congratulations !!!🎉🎊 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @entreprisemdf2467
    @entreprisemdf2467 2 года назад

    All 3 methods are good thanks for your vidéos 👍

  • @kinshuksinghania4289
    @kinshuksinghania4289 2 года назад

    Cube roots of negative 1

  • @adogonasidecar1262
    @adogonasidecar1262 2 года назад +3

    How can we divide 1-x by 1-x when we are evaluating at x=1?

    • @ConManAU
      @ConManAU 2 года назад +1

      We’re not, we’re evaluating it at an x that satisfies x+1/x=1, which x=1 clearly does not.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      @@ConManAU Thanks for the response!

  • @SuperYoonHo
    @SuperYoonHo 2 года назад

    wow what a mind-blowing solution

  • @Skyler827
    @Skyler827 2 года назад

    I solved for the function itself and I got f(x) = (x+-sqrt((-x)^2-4)/2)^65 + (2/(x+-sqrt((-x)^2-4))^65

    • @BRUBRUETNONO
      @BRUBRUETNONO 2 года назад

      Yes, but it's only valid for x>2 or x

  • @notlin1976
    @notlin1976 2 года назад

    Wonderful!

  • @perekman3570
    @perekman3570 2 года назад

    "Bengt Larsson" is a rather common name. At least in Sweden and in the over-40 demographics.

  • @vuyyurisatyasrinivasarao9246
    @vuyyurisatyasrinivasarao9246 2 года назад

    Good. Both methods
    .!

  • @Alish_sci
    @Alish_sci 2 года назад

    Hi. Marvelous video)
    I want to ask you about problems, where did you find such interesting themes and examples?
    You explored it in the internet or there are cool books? Pls recommend😊

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад +2

      Thank you!
      Books, internet, friends and myself...
      This one I made up (something that I enjoy doing) but that's easy to do if you've dealt with these kinds of equations before.

  • @sidimohamedbenelmalih7133
    @sidimohamedbenelmalih7133 2 года назад

    Very very nice methods

  • @roman_roman_roman
    @roman_roman_roman 11 месяцев назад

    Very interesting

  • @Gwunderi25
    @Gwunderi25 2 года назад

    And what's x^64 + 1/x^64 ?

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 2 года назад

    f(x+1/x)=x^65+1/x^65 find f(x)

    • @BRUBRUETNONO
      @BRUBRUETNONO 2 года назад

      You can see the full solution in my comment above.

  • @nicogehren6566
    @nicogehren6566 2 года назад

    good question

  • @fdh2277
    @fdh2277 2 года назад

    Awesome

  • @Jalina69
    @Jalina69 2 года назад

    I love it

  • @premkumarsr4021
    @premkumarsr4021 Год назад

    Nice

  • @barakathaider6333
    @barakathaider6333 2 года назад

    👍

  • @asifnaik3254
    @asifnaik3254 2 года назад

    -1

  • @user-te2hn
    @user-te2hn 2 года назад

    2

  • @garthornspike3648
    @garthornspike3648 2 года назад

    2