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Turkey has long been discussed as a potential future member state of the European Union, but how likely is that to actually happen? In this video, we discuss the history of Turkey's accession and the reasons why they're still on the periphery of the EU.
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Not gonna happen, Cyprus dispute and Erdogan's authoritarianism will be major blockers. Plus even if Turkey did end up fulfilling all the criteria, certain EU countries would still be "uncomfortable" with a country like Turkey joining.
And no country would be happy with dropping billions into that bottomless pit...
Ypu forget to mention their economy is in the toilet
I think particularly more so now because the EU already has seen how much trouble countries like Poland and Hungary can create, Turkey especially under Erdogan would be a nightmare version of Hungary and Poland to deal with for the EU.
@@purplehaze8557 kind of already do
Not to mention Sweden and Finland are not going to be supportive, as Turkey has been trying to blackmail them to surrender civilians to them, and ban their media from criticizing them.
"I hear that Turkey is finally joining the EU"
"Sure grandma, let's get you to bed"
Hey european, lock the door before you go to bed, russians may come.
Hahaha.
As a Turkish citizen, I think we have much more important and urgent issues on the table right now. After 20 years of Akp government, we lost most of our democratic traditions and the rule of law is not respected. Economy is collapsing with unorthodox policies, unemployment rates are at a record high level and education system is now ruined. Personally I admire the system established by the eu but even I wouldn’t care so much if Turkey joins the eu or not. No matter what, Turkey should be a democratic, stable and secular country. In order to achieve this, eu membership is not a must but integration to the eu standards and norms is necessary.
Hopefully something about the current trend can change in the near future. I think you're right that getting things more stable and in order in Turkey is definitely important. The exact relationship with the EU can always be settled on what ever turns out most convenient and preferred by Turkey after all. EU certainly has been open to consider various kind of deals with other countries over the year if they preferred those.
Burak, can you as a Turkish citizen explain how your autocratic leader could get elected? When I was young, Turkey was the example of how a country with mostly Muslims could still have a decent democratic system. The separation between state and religion was THE point which made many Europeans believe that Turkey one day could be considered a European country. But this has been completely flushed down the toilet and I guess this was even with the support of a majority of the Turkish citizens, no? So, what is the reason for this? Is the combination of Islam and democracy and freedom really so difficult to maintain? Or what other factor is there (I think there must be one, as also non-Muslim countries like Russia and Hungary ended up in similar setups)?
We would like Turkey to join, but your military must leave Cyprus completely and permanently and all chapters must be fulfilled.
What democratic traditions? The rule of the Military? Like it or not .. the AK party is winning by the votes of the people.
@@MisterkeTube The AKP's predecessor party was very popular among Turks. Therr was also a man named Erbakan, the man behind the Refah Party (Erdoğan was also a member of it). However, due to the Turkish military having the right to intervene if the government sways too far from secularism (and believe me, Erdoğan was not and is not as islamist as Erbakan), Erbakan's government was toppled in a military coup.
In 1970s-1980, there was huge violence between communists (mostly Kurds and Alevis) and Islamists (far right Turks) in Turkey. A military coup happened where basically anything to do with Islam and Communism was banned. Yes, this includes the headscarf, call to prayer, etc. This angered many Pious Turks out there. Kurdish language was also suppressed. So there is a misconception in Turkey's history. Atatürk never banned these things. It was the 1980 coup. Basically, everyone suffered under Kenan Evren. Although he stopped the violence, he added more fuel to the fire.
Erdoğan came at a time when an economic crisis hit Turkey. In times of crisis, people vote for alternative parties. Erdoğan made a name for himself after he was arrested and jailed. He was a mayor of Istanbul too which meant he had experience. Erdoğan was also from a poor family so he claimed to be for the people (if his actions add up to this claim, I cannot say yes ofc).
Erdoğan was basically voted by those who wanted a change in Turkey. He was also supported by the Conservative Muslims of Turkey. The thing is, this also includes Kurds. Kurds are in love with Erdoğan and you can look at the election maps, and you will see Erdoğan is always 1st or 2nd among the Kurdish regions. I myself have a Kurdish girlfriend, and her mother's side are pro-AKP.
So Erdoğan remains very popular among conservatives who suffered a lot of abuse by the 1980 regime onwards. The coup of 1980 was designed to destroy islamism and communism in Turkey, but it only helped to justify the PKK's communism and forced more intense fighting with the PKK terrorist organisation and also added more fuel to the fire which caused the Islamist politics we now have in Turkey.
In Turkey, Islam evolved to become the antidote to communism.
The short answer is: No.
The elaborate answer is: NO. The day hell freezes we will invite an open authoritarian state in our midst. Or to say it in the words of the EU bureaucracy: They don't meet the requirements.
You don't mess with three members of a club you want to join, insult the board and chair of said club and then demand preferential treatment. Who do you think you are? The UK?
More like hungary
Orban did most of this and more
@@maddogbasil Orban became a populist leader with a authoritarian attitude after Hungary joined.
@@popelgruner595 so you can only become authoritative after joining eu not before
I see
@@maddogbasil It wasn't really anticipated that countries would backslide. It probably should have been because humans are really good at being jackasses. The solution certainly isn't to just allow countries like Turkey in because Hungary and Poland are going more authoritarian. That would be stupid no matter how many times you keep making the same garbage argument in multiple threads.
@@maddogbasil Orban has not gone no where near the scale of Erdogan's actions
You’ve got to be joking! The amount of trouble they’d cause inside the EU will be Orban x10
kick orban out, take us, i promise erdoğan is going away next year lol
@@CahitbeyAdiAlinmis In all seriousness, do you think that you will vote hit out?
@@koragrobot The Opposition is already more popular by a far distance
Let's hope he goes next election, he has been a complete disaster for Turkiye.
@@CahitbeyAdiAlinmis Kurds aren't
Absolutely not. We don't need another semi autocrat in the union!
Not only that. Can you imagine the nerve Turkey must have to veto two EU members from joining NATO and then asking them to join the EU?
Facts
Agree with you
But what is the first one?
@@cravingtuna1561 Erdogan vetoed them, majority of turkish people would support them joining nato
@@CahitbeyAdiAlinmis don't really care though. I refuse to believe that the last thirty years of Turkish foreign policy happened against the will of the Turkish people. Unless they also didn't want to invade Cyprus, didn't want to violate Greek airforce 30 times a day, didn't want to not recognise the UN law of the sea, didn't want to purchase Russian military equipment, didn't want to make aggressive actions against France, didn't want to intervene in Libya nor invade Syria. If that's the case then all the more reason of Turkey to not join the EU since what I am describing is a rogue state. So either the Turkish people have non of the EU's value or they don't care if their government violates them. Not sure which one is worse
No, Turkey will not be able to join EU.
A country must meet three criteria in order to join EU:
- EU's political requirement (Stable institutions which secure democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, human rights and protection of minorities). Turkey meets none of these.
- EU economical requirement (Must have a functioning market economy and be able to compete with other EU-members) Turkey does not meet this.
- Must adapt to EU rules (Adopt various EU-rules, policies and obligations). I doubt Erdogan will do this.
To be fair to Turkey, there are EU countries that fail to meet one or more of those requirements (Hungary, Poland). That said, they'll never get the approval of Greece and Cyprus anyway, even if they did, without some extraordinarily unlikely policy and public opinion shifts
@@christopherwilson88 Well both countries met these before that they dont want to accept middle eastern "refugees" and have some rightwing politics and refuse some EU policies are things now.
There's a fourth criteria: Thinking PKK is less of a threat than ISIS.
@@christopherwilson88 i think greece and cyprus would accept only if the agean and cyprus disputes are cleared
Turkiey doesnt need to join EU
Part of what a EU member regards as its territory has been effectively occupied by Turkey for almost 50 years. Another has been in conflict at least as long. Turkey is currently blocking membership of two EU members in NATO. How would EU accession work in this situation?
One has to ask why the EU even let Cyprus join as they have a territory dispute
Not exactly. According to the EU, a country with border disputes cannot be part of the EU. So Turkey intervened Cyprus back in 1974 but Cyprus joint the EU in 2004 even though it had border conflicts. Why did the EU breach its own rule?
@@uranuuss EU does not have this rule. NATO does. The EU, as it happens, is not NATO.
@@naitruan EU also has this rule
@@uranuuss Nope. It says that the nation should make all attempts to peacefully resolve the territorial dispute ahead of an acension into the EU, not that they have the manage it.
If one side fundamentally blocks a resolution in order to prevent EU accession, the EU can decide that the nation in question DID try everything possible to resolve the dispute but failed due to reasons not under their control and not of their making.
If you disagree, link the article of the EU that's relevant as evidence.
Short answer: no
Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Turkey has a long way to go to becoming a democracy
Even longer way to go before it gives up cave man extremist ideology like Islam
Why would that bother the EU? Since when did it start caring about democracy?
@@rutessian That's a Rhetorical Question. Your not expecting a response are you? Start acting in good faith Mate.
@@rutessian lol, we have a few problematic countries like hungary and romania but turkey is on another level
@@MANODISNIPER Romania isn’t a problem country.
Turkey: joins the eu
Every eu member: ight imma head out
no.. Turkey part of Mideast.. Turkey don't part of Europe.
@yur28 istabul, not having nothing to do with balcans anymore. Totally alienated and hostile piece of the area. All balcans show their back to turkey and istabul, sorry.
Avrupa'da sürekli savaş var. Hristiyanlar birbirlerini öldürmekten zevk alıyor olmalılar. Yakında Rusya, orta Avrupayı işgal etmeye başlayacak. Ayrıca Balkanlar en karmaşık ve en fakir bölgedir. Balkan ülkeleri birbirlerinden nefret ederler. Her zaman savaş çıkma ihtimali çok yüksektir.
@@f-35lightningii6 what?
It's mixed
I don't think this will happen. It would have happened already. Plus the EU is already going through internal crises for expanding to countries that maybe didn't share the "values" as much. I understand that Turkey is a strategic country goepolitically but in my opinion the EU should focus on solving the problems they already have and the lack of action for rogue nations as well as the increasing opposition to EU identity. Adding a country like Turkey that is different in many ways would only add to the problems. And the block can't afford that as it is.
Well you have a fair chance of being right, though I think there are still futures possible where the two manage to grow closer over time. Still, it won't all be resolved in just a few years, like North Macedonia it would be something that probably would take time, 'if' it happened.
Turkey isn't that different as you may think. Yes there a muslim Country but thats it. The turkish goverment is what makes turkey so different.
You could also have a dictatorship in a central european christian country. (nazi germany, hungary, etc.) so turkey could get in the EU.
All in has to do, is to return to it's former more open policies and get its economy under control. Turkey could be the bridge between the christian central european world and the muslim, middle east world.
You just have to differentiate the Country and it's people from the goverment.
Turkey isn't that different as you may think. Yes there a muslim Country but thats it. The turkish goverment is what makes turkey so different.
You could also have a dictatorship in a central european christian country. (nazi germany, hungary, etc.) so turkey could get in the EU.
All in has to do, is to return to it's former more open policies and get its economy under control. Turkey could be the bridge between the christian central european world and the muslim, middle east world.
You just have to differentiate the Country and it's people from the goverment.
Turkey isn't that different as you may think. Yes there a muslim Country but thats it. The turkish goverment is what makes turkey so different.
You could also have a dictatorship in a central european christian country. (nazi germany, hungary, etc.) so turkey could get in the EU.
All in has to do, is to return to it's former more open policies and get its economy under control. Turkey could be the bridge between the christian central european world and the muslim, middle east world.
You just have to differentiate the Country and it's people from the goverment.
@@ax.f-1256 I was thinking that part of issue would be for instance resolving the Cyprus issue, things like that can at times drag on a surprisingly long time. And even countries at the stage Turkey is further with no particular outstanding issues, can often times take a fair few years to complete all the chapters. It's basically quite a few things to go through after all.
I think that things being resolved would be a pretty nice world though. At the least it would be a lot less border tensions and more economic prospects for everyone.
What's the purpose of accepting a member in to the union that will likely just be opposed to everything. It's a loss for Turkey and the EU to be in that kind of constant struggle.
Right. Remember Britain's time in the EU? Some countries were born to never join it
Turkey wants in for the economic benefits, the EU does not want Turkey because Erdogan will start all kinds of trouble and the overall economic benefit for the EU won't change by adding a weak Turkish economy.
Uhmmm, bad news for you? It's called democracy. So technically one can oppose to everything and it can be discussed.
I recognize that in a democratic system it's a good thing to discuss and compromise. I am from Denmark we certainly often push back and question EU decisions and when britain left it was regrettable for us, to say the least, to lose someone that often protested with us. My point is just that for every troublesome member that are in the EU it becomes more impotent and it will ultimately lose relevance and legitimacy.
@@berkaysulek7058 Disagreement is fine, but you typically only have members in these sorts of union who have similar ideals as you. For example, Americans disagree all the time on how the country should be run, but pretty much everyone agrees on the fundamental ideals of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, as well as general freedom and democracy. Turkey is an authoritarian state that many in Europe still dislike for historical reasons, adding them is just a recipe for trouble to the democratic and western minded EU countries
Why, in all things not insane, allow Turkey in? It’s democratic diminution to authoritarianism is antithetical to EU ethos and it’s behaviour as a NATO member in cynically exercising powers of veto is hardly inspiring as a potential EU member where it also can utilise powers of veto. Not. A. Chance.
What about orban in Hungary
NATO is a MILITARY ALLIANCE. If a member candidate has a terrrorist organization's bureau and has politicans supporting the organization that has been massacring the people of the a member they have all the right to veto. Stop being so ignorant. NATO was founded to fight communism. Do you expect supporters of Commie PKK to be allowed to run rampart within NATO borders?
We should stop democratically electing the president of the European Commission, we can't leave the important power of making laws up to commoners
@@Embassy_of_Jupiter - the Tsar, probably
@@NAYRUthunder99 Just kidding it's already like this
Question posed by the video: Could Turkey Finally Join the EU?
My opinion beforehand: Of course they won't.
My opinion when seeing the thumbnail for the video: Of course they won't, has something changed that TLDR is making this video? Let's see.
My opinion after watching the video: Of course they won't, and I just wasted 7 minutes of my life watching a video about something I already knew.
TLDR would like to thank you for the watch time and ad money
Well I didn't even know Turkey wanted to join the EU (geographically, they are clearly not a part of Europe to the West as we know it), so I appreciated the thoughtful insights the team at TLDR News gave me today 😊
@@Ryan_Alwi yes they do, they use to whine about EU being slow and discriminating against them , until they went into a dictatorship a few years ago. Now they pretend they don’t care because they no longer meet the requirements of being a democracy
I didn't even realise that weren't already a member, so the fact you wasted your time watching a video about something you already knew is totally on you mate. Other people from other parts of the world get the opportunity to learn from videos such as this
HUW KILS SWIDEN PRESIDENT OLAF PALMER KILLER IS PKK STOKHOLM SENDROM
very informative in a short summary of the process....brilliant
In Corruption Index 2021 Turkey is 96th. So, simple answer: No!
@Zaydan Naufal Neither of them are in the EU
@Zaydan Naufal Doesn't Montenegro already use the euro?
@Zaydan Naufal They do use the euro. I'm not sure why they adapted it, but it would make membership easier
@@Juho221 any country can opt to use another countries currency. A lot of countries use dollars and they didn’t need US approval
EU itself is corrupt organisation
If you mean under Erdogan then the answer is a big fat NO.
Under Erdogan or any other mug, the answer should always be NO!
@@purplehaze8557 I disagree, if someone who is Pro-Europe and Democratic leads Turkey it should be allowed in
@@bar1644 Why? What's the rationale or what would be the advantages to Europe to have a massive and poor muslim country join the union?
Turks should go back to Mongolia regardless
@@purplehaze8557 Pointing out its Muslim is kinda racist ngl
also you guys have Greece..? theyre also poor hello?
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The answer is no. Many countries and groups are deadset against it. It would also be a disaster for eu economic integration. Turkey as even less suitable then some of the east european countries that are in it and some hoping to join.
Ontop of that Turkeys democracy is almost entirely gone.
Theres simply no benefits large enough to allowing turkey to join vs the many severe downsides.
If turkey was allowed to join, 1/3 of the eu would probably leave.
The benefit is to provide incentive to Turkey to change direction & improve itself instead of perpetually backsliding. If we shut it out completely, that incentive is gone. It's not just the Russian invasion of Ukraine that shows that Turkey is an important ally due to its location and power. It's also things like the management of the migrant crisis. And it's generally better to have allies rather than not. Of course, that would either require Erdogan to change his mind, or to turn from Erdogan into Erdogone (countries are forever, politicians are not).
All I'm saying is, leaving the door open is more beneficial than categorically denying them even the prospect of joining.
@@Yutani_Crayven The door should indeed be open. If they get out of Cyprus, solve their territorial disputes with their neighbours and generally stop being a dictatorship, they'd be good a candidate for membership. But, I gotta be honest I don't think there's much of a chance of that happening.
Turkey economy is larger than most estern European countries
@@TheRadPlayer Fixing all the damage the big boy did to their economy with his bright ideas would be great idea too.
Turkey is further from joining today than it was in 1999 when it was given the candidate status in Finland.
Turkey shouldn't be allowed in the EU unless the government and population align with EU values.
That'll never happen : D
There's no unless. It shouldn't join. Period.
@@clivesmith9377 thank god
Don't they have censorship, high inflation and a love of "democracy"?
Does Poland and hungry population align with EU values ?
Finland and Sweden should veto it😁
We will, though it won't really matter because so many other countries will veto it as well😅
Netherlands , Germany are among those that veto it even before the vote. is cast.
@@marcusfranconium3392 Don't forget Greece and Cyprus. We'll probably start laughing if that ever happens (and then we will veto it while still laughing)
@@NoNeedForLungs I think entire EU will be laughing.
@@Hoboukko Enjoy with the terrorists in parlament and in the country. They made you the country with worst crime rate in eu.
The amount of EU MPs countries can have depends on the population of these countries.Even if all other problems would resolved us joining EU would make us the country with most voting rights in the EU.I think this is even bigger problem than cyprus , nobody would want that in EU.
I don't even think majorty in EU and Turkey wants membership anyway.
Erdogan used to get more than %50 of the votes yet his party is arround %28 - 32 right now and economy keeps getting worse and worse.We still have 1 year until the election so i don't see anyway for him to win the election.
More secular CHP will win the election and there will be a coalition , talks with EU will improve but EU membership won't go anywhere.
I do think new custom union agreement , freedom of movement and possible future EU army talks possible but there is no way EU will give Turkey voting rights in EU parliment with it's population.
It should be at least a generation before they should be considered again. EU army with turkey? Some strong weed you got there mate. Freedom of movement? no fucking way. Customs union? Fuck no. Is there something that can be cooperated on, yes, but none of the things you mentioned.
Chp nah gelir başa. Çok beklersin daha.
@@inso80 there is already a customs union in place between Turkiye and EU.
Based on how Turkey has acted in NATO, we should count ourselves incredibly lucky that we don’t have them in the union. And as a Swede, with regards to current mob boss behaviour from Erdogan regarding Sweden and Finland joining NATO, I say what goes around comes around; Turkey can forget about joining anything in which Finland or Sweden have a say as long as they behave like a spoiled brat.
True, though regardless of Turkey playing the empire it will benefit your countries not joining NATO in the long run. NATO is bullshit and Sweden has some very good humanitarian and politcal views that they would have to abandon (and sellout) to enter NATO. I think neutrality is better if you have good external politics, you won't become a puppet of US or Russia interests. Neutrallity has been very good for Sweden, Finland and Austria, even not full commiting in the EU monetary Union was great for Sweden, German economy would have cripples yours like it does to every other weaker economy, it is even damaging France which has a massive economy. As for NATO, trust me you don't want to enter a military union that dooms wars against it's interests and then looks the other way when it's in it's interests (cough* Palestine cough*)
as a turk i can say that more than half of the ppl dont want eu. so yeah pls dont accept us and we will eat popcorn while russians eating sweden
So sweden and finland can forget to join NATO
Greece halted Macedonian Nato membership for 11 years all over a name! Typical hypocrisy the Turks are used to!
@@bakiozturk2112 agree EU membership is not even mentioned in Turkey anymore, I suggest you worry about your own country's problems.Because we can fight against Russia alone, but your country cannot.That's all you have to worry about right now :)
A big issue that wasn't mentioned at all in this video is Turkey's population, which is larger than any EU country, and is growing much faster than other big EU countries. If Turkey joined, they would have the most voting power of any member state, unseating Germany.
Even if Turkish social and economic values were much more aligned with the existing EU powers, that would still be a major cause for concern for the likes of France, Germany, Spain, and Italy.
Yeah and Turkey would cost the EU a lot of money as there economy is crashing.
Voting power in the EU has nothing to do with population or economic strength.
@@OHOE1 "as there economy is crashing" this sentence makes no sense.
@@OHOE1 pretty sure a stable economy is one of the rules you need to get in, thats what greece lied about to tank the euro. turkey has some real cheap labour right now, and erdogan has seemingly started manufacturing in turkey, like what china and india did to amass their current wealth. if the eu had control over its own manufacturing in turkey, as well as fossil fuels from the east and highly skilled professionals from the west and north, they would easily dominate everywhere else on the world, including any other possible union that i can think of. itd just take time.
It wasn’t mentioned because it isn’t a problem. The European Union doesn’t function that way. More population doesn’t automatically equal higher voting power.
Firstly, the most powerful body of the European Union, The Commission is represented by 1 person from each member country. Meaning that it currently has 27 members. Population doesn’t matter.
Secondly, The European Council is composed of heads of state or government of the EU member states, the President of the European Council, and the President of the European Commission. Population doesn’t matter.
Thirdly, Council of the European Union. Under the Lisbon Treaty, seats are allocated to each state according to population and the maximum number of members is set at 751.
Representation is currently limited to a maximum of 96 seats and a minimum of 6 seats per state and the seats are distributed according to "degressive proportionality", i.e., the larger the state, the more citizens are represented per MEP. As a result, Maltese and Luxembourgish voters have roughly 10x more influence per voter than citizens of the six largest countries.
As of 2014, Germany (80.9 million inhabitants) has 96 seats (previously 99 seats), i.e. one seat for 843,000 inhabitants. Malta (0.4 million inhabitants) has 6 seats, i.e. one seat for 70,000 inhabitants.
While Turkey would have the highest population and thus would have the most votes, It wouldn’t be a cause for concern. Because, as previously mentioned it isn’t strictly proportional to your population. And there is limits on the amount of votes in the council as well as the maximum number of votes allowed per country. Furthermore, the council of the European Union is only 1 of 7 ruling bodies of the European Union, and 1 out of 2 legislative bodies. Meaning that it has very limited power and influence.
I hope nope, they clearly doesn't fit in the EU standard, we did a lot of mistakes with Eastern Europe, and we are too loose with other countries like mine, Italy
These mistakes with Eastern Europe you mean you got some modern slave labour? Or that you want make us your colonies?
@@kupieckorzenny5093 wow are you talking about Polish people working in Germany? Fuck off I want too to go in EU country in which aviation technicians are payed more, I am talking about Hungary and in other case Poland, Slovakia and similar which oppose and make more difficult integration, fiscally and political
You can clean your ass with this nationalist sentiment
Ps: other mistakes was allowing country to not adopt the single currency, like we did for Denmark and Sweden
@Zaydan Naufal religious interests should have NO place in government. Religion must pertain to the private sphere only.
This key difference is what makes European and Muslim states politics incompatible.
@Zaydan Naufal Why would the EU have to represent the intrests of muslim states? There are no muslim states in the EU and there is no obligitation for them to be there! And perhaps more importantly, the idea of a muslim state is a strong contradiction of the seperation of church and state, which is a fundamental building block for any good democracy.
There isnt any reason not to have a state with a muslim population in the EU, but its goverment and society has to fullfill the EUs standards for freedom and democracy. So if Turkey stays the way it is, thats a hard no.
@Zaydan Naufal Nobody wants to establish a sharia state in Bosnia either. The religious makeup is far too diverse for that to work. As for Turkey, I dont think they are making an exactly "Muslim" country in the same way Arabic countries are, but Turkey is by no means secular. They still discriminate against a lot of groups needlessly.
Having in mind that Turkey accuse Finland and Sweden of terrorism, two countries champions of Human Rights JUST imagine what will happen inside the EU with Turkey as a full member state, HAVOC.
Yh
They would never let a majority Muslim country in
@@maddogbasil It has nothing to do with their religion.
@@ykalon so somehow hungary and poland get a pass because the hate the Russians
But Turkey is evil because they're president is no secular
Sweden which supports a internationally recognised terrorist organisation by weapons and money against a nato "ally". Lol tottaly not letting them join nato
@@uranuuss WRONG. Sweden was the FIRST country after Turkey to declare pkk as terrorists. And if you meant YPG, USA and ALL of NATO cooperated with them in Syria.
The ad buy and the cutoff when talking about Brexit was comedic genius lol
I wouldn't want turkey to join the eu with erdogan in power. Or the lira in the single market.
TLDR: Unlikely anytime soon.
Greece would block accession anyway, since Turkey has territorial claims on Greek islands.
Unbased claims onunatic theories like "militarization of islands disputes their sovereignty" or "islands are not entitled to EEZ".
Unbased claims on Greek islands with a developing rethoric based on zero claims and facts from the 70s onwards. 50 years ago there were literally zero claims from Turkey, then progressively Turkey came with one fantasy map worse than the other when years would pass. It comes to show the origin of lies from the beginning and its imperialist motives.
not only greece for sure
@Guzzirider, they have problems with the militarization of those islands, they don't have any "territorial claims"
Great video!
Why would the EU want turkey in it?
Turkey is a mini-China, in many senses. Both EU and Turkey would have economic advantages to unite. But values and culture gap prevent it.
As a Turkish citizen first Erdogan needs to leave, corruption needs to be removed and same laws have to be changed. Then we need to stable economy. Then most likely bargaining cyprus issue. Then most likely still we will be rejected.
Bro don't even think about joining the EU that will never happen
@@Sami-gi1ld To be honest if Erdogan leaves and Turkey takes steps going for a more secular type of government and sorts out it's territorial issues I can see it happening. Sure it will take time maybe 10+ years but I don't see it being impossible.
@@zjeee nah even if that happens no way in hell will France and Germany and other eastern Europeans will let turkey in
@@zjeee 10+ years? Lol, Montenegro is trying to join for almost 2 decades now, if Turkey ever joins it will be in the 2080s. And these problems you mentioned are not the only ones. There are far too many cultural, economic and geopolitical obstacles.
Spain was a military dictatorship not very long before joining the EU so it can be posible. You'll have to watch out for Erdogan "nostalgics" for decades tho.
From a Turk: with Erdogan in power? Never gonna happen.
Never gonna happen in general. Either Erdogan is in power or not.
@@zedero8 lol why so much hate? Such a racist you are, shame.
@@Dr-Ekmek how old are you? What does that have to do with my comment?
And FYI European culture has its roots in Greek culture, it’s just that Greeks were the native population of Anatolia as well back then.
Don't talk this easily. With those stupid opposition parties we have anything can happen.
@@rasgeleisim Opposition is going to work at least into some degree.
The problem is that Turkiye is in reality 2 very different countries: 20-30m Westernised Turks living in the 3% of Turkiye that is in Europe and along the Aegean coast and 50-60m impoverished strict Muslims in Eastern Anatolia. The EU wants one but not the other.
The EU wants neither.
They threat Greece and Cyprus militarily, they block Sweden and Finland from NATO, they insult the EU as a whole and demand preferential treatment? Erm...
Turkish will never be considered as westerners , they are asians
@Zaydan Naufal Except that it should be Western Turkiye and Eastern Turkiye!
Turkey will be divided into 3 pieces.Turks /islamic Turks +Arab refugees /Kurds .This will Happen in 5 Years. Then Turks will join EU with its 35-40 Million population.
The biggest issue with Turkey joining the EU is the way the EU is set up. The moment they join they'll have the biggest population in the EU and thus the largest amount of MPs in the EU Parliament.... a powermove France and Germany will not like.
Even if Turkey solves all its problems, it cannot join the European Union because of this. If Turkey is accepted to the EU, the status quo will be threatened.
When the outbreeding is sus
Consider the amount of expat turkeys and they will be even more influential. Most of the expats vote for Erdogan.
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Is not only that.. since 1453, culturally and historically, Turkey has always been perceived as an extra-european entity.. it would be unnatural for both Europe and Turkey to stay together.. Europe would be perceived as driven only by geopolitical opportunism and economic strategy while we are trying to create a new kind of political Confederation built on a shared historical and cultural common ground
I have never seen a channel but their own ad space before and that was pretty damn interesting
I still don't understand why on 6:50 there's a greek flag showing on the southern part of Cyprus. Why isn't Cyprus' flag being illustrated?
As a Turk, I honestly see the "Turkey's accession into EU" as nothing more than an almost literal joke. It's kind of hilarious that some people still believe it's possible even though it has been decades and the member states happen to always find an excuse.
Members find what bullshit your politics do....look in the mirror first and then blame others.
@@Retr0GamerGR
Of course it's ONLY because of that.
No story, no reasoning, nothing is one-sided dear. In fact, if it was just about the current politics (which I don't understand why the member states and Western world in general care even more about than the politics of countries they have the closest ties with), then why would they discuss Turkey's Europeanness (rather non-Europeanness) of Turkey to begin with?
But who am I, right? Probably someone only following the undoubtably flawed media in Turkey, and missing out on the "perfection" of the "free" Western media and politics, even though as I said, nothing is one-sided. No country (including the EU members) would want something that won't benefit them, whether politically, ecomically, or in any other way. The thing is, both Turkey and the EU member states are obvious about the fact that they won't get any benefit from being, in such a union with eachother.
An example of this would be the open border policy of the EU. Having open borders with a country like Turkey (which has millions of refugees, many of whom want to pass to Europe) would cause yet another migration crisis in Europe, while European countries has protected some people that Turkish goverment (and many of the residents whether they support the goverment or not) outwardly considers to be terrorists.
As I said, this is just one example of how Turkey joining the EU will be a problem for both sides. Of course there are more, so please, do a little more research before you comment with only the information you get from "perfect and pious" Western media, that "always" tells the truth "even if it damages the Western countries' reputations, since they NEVER do anything wrong, so there's nothing they fear about the truth, am I right?
Finally, as I said, the EU's acceptence process for Turkey feels like a literal joke. Just like this video said, even when Turkey applied for ECC in 1959, the organization suggested an "association agreement" instead of "associate membership agreement". Basically, they didn't even want Turkey to be a member before a long and tiring intergration process even back then. Ever since, so many other countries have applied and were accepted without needing this initial process.
Thank you for reading, and I hope you got a glimpse of what I've been trying to say. :)
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Why have you deleted your comment then? Please read my response to the other person who for some reason deleted their response too, if you need any clarifications.
@@rumeysaongul4765 well where do I start.....let's talk about human rights that I believe it's the No1 reason that eu don't want turkey. Second it's that turkey its aggressive to all his neighbors. This is something that western perfect media like u say don't even mention. It's eu politics that see that. To be honest I can type all day about turkey and how they took out there own eyes.what about libia?? What about Mavi vatan? Is it all legal? It's turkey right to expend towards neighbors because like erdogan say we are to big for our country?? How do u expect to be European when u don't even respect your people.
@@Retr0GamerGR
Okay. I see what you mean. Can you please be more specific about "human right violations" though? I've seen so many people mention it and leave it at that.
As for the second part, "mavi vatan" means "blue homeland", refering to the Turkey's claimed territorries in the seas. I know what you mean, but considering the fact that both Turkey and Greece are being aggressive about it mutually and Europe strongly opposes one while being totally fine with the other.
Libya isn't a neighbouring country. One of the sides in the civil conflict asked for military support and Turkey did respond by helping militarily. Other countries also provide military support and aid to the civil wars (even EU members like France are doing this with the civil wars in the Middle East and Africa). In fact, the biggest example of this kind of "help" is provided by the US, a fellow Western country albeit not a European one.
Lastly, we don't intend on expanding. I don!t know about the politicians. Most politicians in all countries are pretty incompetent people, including all of the Turkish political party leaders whether goverment or opposition. The case feels similar in plenty of Western countries as well. And I honestly don't care what they "see", because all of them "see" the world through a narrow lens of whatever proves them right.
As I said, I don't support Turkey joining the EU. What else do you want to hear?
Also please, use some correct grammar. Even though it hurts my eyes (due to a severe condition), I still try to double-check my replies out of respect.
Thanks. :)
They don't even recognize Cyprus whose a member state
Why should they. They ROC government has no representation from legal co owning Turkish Cypriots as prescribed by the Cypriots constitution. Are you ignorant on these matters?
Sweden and finland are definitely a hard "no" on Turkish accession.
not just two, but also 25 other nations.
who said we wanted to enter We don't cry in the tails of others EU or we don't need it.
Turkey is a hard “no” on Sweden and Finland joining NATO lol
@@memoli1524 countries that want to be respected and taken seriously don't do things for lols
@@falx2803 Turkey says. Since 1959.
I didn't watch the video. I saw the title and came here to laugh as loud as possible :D :D :D
Me to
I think that the main problem is Turkeys geographic position and the size, because its at the center of everything it also acts as a buffer for the west. If Turkey joined the EU, The EU would directly collide with eastern countries and their values. So this buffer which Turkey acts as, would be no more.
values eh? just say it .. repeat after me .. RELIGION
Hell no! No authoritarian country should be allowed in EU. What a stupid question..
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Let’s be honest, another major reason why Turkey’s accession into the EU has been sceptical and stalled is because it’s a Muslim country.
Hmm.. yea? Do you want laws in EU forcing Muslim notions on you?
We have managed in Europe to get at a point where we accept certain freedoms, where you want be jailed or even killed for a cartoon if it doesn’t fit your own beliefs. Do we really want to change that?
If Britain tried to join now it would not even meet the criteria, Turkey is far away from joining, even if they wante to. I am more worried they attack Greece or Cyprus.
considering that greece at this very moment has armed soldiers on turkish soil with th epuepose of annexing territory would suggest that your fears are totally wrong
@@kaanboztepe so which „Turkish“ territory is Greece trying to annex?
@@tobiwan001 a dozen or so islands in the aegean sea that Greece had agreed to let Turkey have after ww1
@@kaanboztepe I think they only ever agreed to not militarize them. But the reasons they are being militarized now is because Turkey has refused to sign the Convention on the Law of the Seas and claim Greek territorial waters. Same with Cyprus.
@@tobiwan001 interesting argument, you do not sign this treaty so i will use military power to enforce it and you will still be the aggresor.
Turkey is an islamic country, with different objetives than EU and christian civilization...
Here is my take: Turkey could certainly get some improved special agreements and new treaties with the EU. It will however not join the EU due to its current state of affairs.
The eu hosts the pkk and funds them. France is a stronghold for the pkk for example. They let them do as they wish. What state of affairs are you talking about. Turkey is in a very risky situation because of thr EU. all refugees who the eu sends back are returned to turkey. Turkeys hosts close to 10 million refugees inside and on its Syrian border region. The pretentiousness with which you talk down on Turkey is astonishing and I’m
Not a fan of Erdogan.
When Germany the biggest EU country with the most seats in Parliament has a population of 83 million, a country of 85 million like Turkey is too much to swallow. No European country would want us get the most seats in the European Parliament. South Cyprus didn't meet the Copenhagen criteria at all. Due to Greece's blackmail to block the accession of Central and Eastern European countries, the Greek part of Cyprus was accepted as a member state despite it being unable to meet the Copenhagen requirements. You're not the brightest if you think that this is just a matter of meeting the EU criteria.
@@abadairshi You seem to ignore how parliaments work - you need a majority members. Even Russia could join someday in a distant future. There are after all 60 million people in France as well, or 10 million in Austria, 20 million in the Netherlands etc.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
And with Ukraine being approved for beginning the process, the Eastern European bloc has also just gained some 40 million voices. Having a big swing state such as Turkey would be interesting in that regard as well.
@@lilo7741 And Turkey discriminates against Kurds, Jews and Christians within their own borders and the government tolerates the extremist group known as the Grey Wolves. Yes, they do. You shouldn't be throwing stones around when you're living in a glass house.
@@lilo7741 The UNHCR put the number of refugees in Turkey at 4+ million, still a lot but that's half of the number you gave. Internal documents with the Turkish military show that it maintains profiles of officers based on their religious beliefs and ethnic background. Non-Muslims and ethnic minorities receive negative endorsements and are much less likely to be promoted. The documents came to light through Nordic Monitor, a project of a journalist who fled Turkey, Abdullah Bozkurt. They prove that Turkey, a NATO country, discriminates systematically and illegally. According to Bozkurt, there were already few non-Muslims or officers from an ethnic minority in the Turkish army anyway. They are already being refused application and screening, he claims. Those who do get past that often hide their background for fear of discrimination.
In the run-up to the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide on April 24, the week before a door of an Armenian school in Istanbul was defaced with a swastika. Around this period, there are often such provocations in the country, but also in other places in the world where migrants from both groups live.
Also during the corona pandemic and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, hatred against Armenian Christians in Turkey increased. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in a speech called the Armenians in his country "leftover remnants of the sword". He was referring to the relatives of Armenians who survived the genocide.
Also, the transformation of Istanbul's beautiful Chora Church of the Holy Saviour, merged into a swelling stream of Turkish Christian churches being confiscated, shuttered, torn down, or converted into mosques.
You are a liar and you know it.
EU is currently changing it's internal mechanisms to ensure that bad EU members don't get much (or any) benefits of being an EU member...So Turkey should join EU only and only if it genuinely wants to be a co-operative EU partner....otherwise EU membership will only be a huge waste of time and money for Turkey, who likely want in for the sweet Veto powers or aid benefits etc..
I think is not only that.. Since Roman time European countries have shared mostly a common history! For example every European country lived the so called "Middle-Age" period, which makes no sense outside of Europe. The same with the Renaissance, the "Age of Discoveries" etc..
We had a common giudeo-christian background in which there are the roots of the "western" understanding of the human person and of its dignity. Even now that most European countries have developed a proper secularism. The religious wars between Protestants and Catholics that plagued Europe for centuries taught europeans the value of religious tolerance, respect and the distinction between faith and reason!
@@calasalos the Ottoman empire was crucial in most of the events you mention.
The age of discovery started partially because the Ottomans controlled the silk route into Central Asia.
In general the Ottomans were considered to be European, an empire just as France, Russia, or Great Britain.
So there is a long shared history, the Judeo Cristian argument is completly ignorant. It forgets that the Balkan, Baltics, and Nordic regions existed as they had different mechanisms and or religions in place for much of their history, JC is an American invention not European.
Turkey is in general still rather secular as it followed General European trends.
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With the current mechanisms Turkey would become the major player in the EU. France and Germany would lose a lotta of power neither of them wants to lose the power they have today.
@@briancops3798 What does rather secular even mean? You either have a secular govt or you don't. Erdogan gets financial advice on handling inflation from the quran and can persecute political opponents with impunity. So who cares about rather?
Turkey: "Finland and Sweden can't join NATO!"
The EU: "Turkey can't join the EU"
Turkey: 😲
is the other way around? sweden and finland were vetoing turkey for years. and now turkey starts vetoing them thats it.
@@noobaction7720
no one is vetoing Turkey. Turkey hasnt fulfilled any of the criteria for joining the EU.
Sweden and Finland meanwhile have cooperated with NATO for decades.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Turkey is a country, I guess that's one criteria fulfilled XD
@@noobaction7720 afaik only France vetoed them even though there were more countries that didn't like the idea of them joining.
@@noobaction7720 Sweden and Finland never voted against Turkey's EU ascension, you are spreading misinformation.
Many years ago I heard an EU politician say that Turkey is just too culturally different from Western Europe that they could not be a part of the EU. I thought this sounded a bit racist at the time. Time, has proven that Turkey is too different, irreconcilably so at this time. This is such a great pity as the economic, cultural, security benefits to both Turkey and EU could be huge if Turkey could join.
Turkey is hardly homogenous, the CHP and HDP have a lot in common with the EU values, and erdogan has largely been an exception rather than the rule, not too different from what happened in Hungary with Orban except on a larger scale
To some extent, those racist attitutes you of Europe ,you mentioned, pushed Turkey into the edge. Poland and Hungary are about to become a dictatorial states even though they are in the EU, I cannot even imagine how would haven been they if they had been rejected by the EU.
@@Noctem_pasa Orban is a reflection of Erdogan imo. both are greed to staying in power and do whatever they can do to solidify their hegemony. I hope hungary gets rid of Orban ASAP.
How is being different racist? It's the EUROPEAN union for a reason. The turkeys are not European.
I think if Turkey had been broken up into smaller territories at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they would be in a very different position now. There had been, for instance, Greek claims to Istanbul which might have led to Istanbul and the surrounding region being a seperate national entity. Then, of course, there are the Armenian and Kurdish claims on almost a third of Anatolia in the East.
Instead, Turkey was left as a rather large population nation with control over Black Sea access and the ability to do things like boss Cyprus around. And now, we have a man like Erdogan who knows he can get away with being an authoritarian who Europe and the West must tolerate - instead of a nation that is a more natural EU ally.
Turkey will never join the EU, there are far too many obstacles. Mainly cultural and geopolitical ones, as well as economical. We don’t really want more members, especially a country like Turkey who is not only big but has also a worse economy than our poorest states.
like greece? lol
@@_Anatolian_ Nope, I don’t know where you’ve gathered that from. Turkey is not a European country and its economy is in shambles, poorer than Bulgaria (the EU’s poorest state). I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
@@zedero8 but still 21st biggest economy in the world )))))
@@_Anatolian_ this literally means nothing, Switzerland has 8 million people (10+ times less than Turkey) and still has the same economic size.
By your logic, even Indonesia is rich. Well no, having a big GDP doesn’t mean anything. People are still impoverished and society far too underdeveloped.
Your last sentence is false as fuq btw. At least make the myths up please
Finland has always been one of the biggest supporter of Turkey to join EU. Turkey didn't show the same manner with Finland joining NATO so I think the Finnish support ain't there anymore for Turkey either
Finland never supported Turkey more like they were always against since they're supporting Terrorists group that are attacking Turkey
We are not fan of yours either.
@@bakiozturk2112 I don't think Finland asked to be a fan. Finland just was one of the first EU-members supporting Turkey to become a member of EU and in 1999, Turkey became a candidate country for the EU (it was decided in Finnish city Tampere, during the Finnish presidency of the EU). Like I said, nobody asked to be a fan but I can imagine how those Finns feels backstabbed when they believed in Turkey while many others countries didn't).
Turkey is just in the Putin's backpocket
@@RockerFinland no one is putin's pocket in Turkish goverment. I recommend you what happened Russian aircraft who violate Turkish airspace for two minutes in 2015. You were doing fair analysis but in the packet line you lost me. This issue have its own dynamics other than Russia.
@@RockerFinland Actually we dont have any problems with Finland. We have problems with Sweden but they both applied for NATO. So i can say that Finland get lost in the shuffle :D
The EU should really just concentrate consolidating all of Europe than going forward with accession for Turkey.
I don’t even think that all of Europe belongs in the EU at the moment. Serbia for example.
Europe doesn't in the least think about letting Turkey join. This British YT channel does 😁.
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@@becnal Turkey would be a much more valuable and contrary to popular belive culturally better fitting member then Serbia. So Turkey will probably join before Serbia.
I agree, with Brexit Europe has gained enormous potential to further Integration. Traditionally of the "big 3" France, Germany and the UK, it was always the UK vs France and Germany in this matter.
@@timokohler6631 Neither is a suitable candidate. Although it could be Turkey in 50 years and Serbia in 55 years .... or so.
Plus: who really needs Serbia? 7m inhabitants - that's a bit more than half of the city of Paris.
You do realise the prospect of Turkey joining the EU was one of the main arguments for BREXIT
Really?
Yes, since they literally said that in the video
It was the main thing that caused brexit
@@rathandevlish2787 The main thing was that Brussels was ruled by evil technocrat that do evil things. And the other major one was to spend the money to be in the common market into healthcare. Both of them were bollocks.
Actually Brexit was best for eu… less American influence over europe
Perhaps it could happen in the longer term, but between Cyprus and Erdoğanism, I think they have to completely reverse course and keep the appropriate heading for at least a decade before it can even be seriously discussed. Hopefully Erdoğan driving the lira into the ground will have a silver lining in helping get them on track next year, but I'm not holding my breath.
If Erdogan and the Cyprus problem vanished overnight, this situation still wouldn't be any different.
Erdoğan or not Türks are from Central Asia not Europe.
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Exceedingly unlikely. Turkiye has drifted ever further away from accession during the Erdogan regime. Erdogan would hacksaw his feet off before he'd accept the changes required.
Hence why the entirety of the video hinged on erdogan losing next year
@Malcanis CSM, Turkey was far away from accession before Erdogan and Turkey is far away from EU accession today. They will be far away from EU accession long after he is gone.
In fact it was under this dude 15 years ago when they were closest to accession (which isn't saying much as they were still very far.)
Please, less cheap/false rhetoric and more fact based comments. Thanks.
Is today April 1st? Turkey doesn’t come anywhere near the admission criteria.
- Democratic government with constitutional safeguards and separation of powers: nope. Turkey has been eroding that for years if not decades.
- Stable, mature economy: nope. Turkish economy has been mismanaged into the ground.
- Unanimous support by current EU members: nope. Cyprus would certainly veto and so would most others, if not all.
The short answer is NO, the long answer is NO
If Turkish president is blocking the NATO membership of two EU members, it will be remembered in the future. Swedish and Finnish approval for Turkish membership in EU might get severely delayed.
Thats why he should never let these countries in NATO.
@@BoBo-bq2os Probably more to be gained by NATO figuring out how to remove Turkey than allowing Turkey a veto. Turkey used to be a country making real progress. Now its just a backward theocratic hellscape with absurd levels of inflation because your leader is incompetent.
Go ahead and join with Russia as your other comment indicates you think is a good idea. Have fun being two economic backwaters impoverishing their people. That'll work brilliantly.
@@BoBo-bq2os what? 😂
You mean similar to Greece delaying Macedonian Nato membership for 11 years all over a name?
@@thetraveller1612 Yeah. That was absurd as well.
Imagine wanting to join a union that you dont recognize one of its member states.
Turkey when looking for a better economic future: We're European, obviously.
Turkey when being problematic in fields like the judiciary, democracy, disputes with Greece and the recent "islamic economic policy": But we're also obviously asian and you don't tell us what to do.
Turkey is not european just like cyprus azerbaijan armenia georgia! They like to call themselfs european for many reasons but they're asian!
@@FRODIII Cypriots are Greeks lol 😂 I think you forget that… calling Cypriots not Europeans is like calling Greeks not Europeans, and Europe is a Greek word, it has meaning in Greek language and is part of Greek mythology how this continent got its name
There are not disputes with Greece. In order to have disputes, you should have a legal base and a framework to support it.
Turkey has only absurd expansionist claims based on TONS of propaganda by its media and even Turkish yt trolls accounts that spread all day misinformations.
@@annas4843 I meant because of the location! But being called europe means nothing! If we called it venus wouldn't mean the population came from venus! Plus greeks are HEAVILY mixed! 2000 years ago or so europeans were all nordic looking with blonde/blue eyed etc
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Unlikely but after the last 10 years I wouldn’t entirely rule it out.
I would rather see the fact that Turkey '' remains vastly distant from the EU's values and normative framework... '' as a positive point considering the overall mismanagement and corruption prevalent in most western countries.
As a famous actor said '' I wouldn't join a club that would accept me as a member because they would have to be as bad as I am to consider such a foolish thing. '' Turkey should consider it twice before joining an organization like the EU and even more for one such as NATO.
Turkey already is part of NATO.
Secondly, you speak as if Turkey is immune to any corruption. Turkeys political history is not any better than most countries plus economic mismanagement such as the leaders issues with currency shows turkey has just as many problems, if not more
Ha,ha Turkey is a NATO member since long. They should not be there if they applied today.
@@2dradon2 I don't think the OP was claiming Turkey isn't corrupt or immune to it.
I think he is referring to the slow collapse of many EU nations. If you look at the EU nations in the past 20 years and look at Turkey in the past 20 years.
I think it's fair to say they're on completely different trajectories.
I got your advert…loved it and watched it all. But seriously that cut off at the end was just mean! What was your position on brexit?!
wtf was mean about that?
@@littlerage4u799 dont take it seriously. It was such a tease I wanted to say something. This was all in good humour.
Turkey and Cyprus in an Asian Country but they managed to apply for EU membership. Asia must create a Union also, its time for Asian Union.
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Erdogan is too much of an authoritarian for this. Sure you can make an argument that Orban isnt all that different but when you take into account whole Cyprus dispute... yeah dont think we will see Turkey in EU anytime soon.
Erdogan will go
@@turkishspermgod Fingers crossed that the next guy is a bit nicer to all sides (both the Turkish people and the rest of the world)
And Hungary was already in the EU before Orban showed up
As long as Turkiye threatens Greece with war (casus belli over the 12 sea miles according to UNCLOS since 1995), it's impossible for Turkiye to join EU. As Turkiye doesn't recognize their border with EU, how could they join?
And things are getting worse recently, as Turkiye now started to claim inhabited Greek islands as Rhodes as Turkish territory.
I wouldn't be surprised if they tried claiming Crimea next.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 They have historical right to Crimea, of course they need it back
Resolving such issues would be part of an accession treaty.
Border issues with Greece, while potentially dangerous, are one of the smaller problems IMHO.
Türkyes relationship with Kurds look far more intractable to me.
Recent more authoritarian trends clearly go in the wrong direction.
I have nothing against Türkye joining the EU - as soon as the conditions are right. But currently it doesn't look like that's achievable soon.
But countries and cultures can change. We had plenty of fascism, homophobia and suppression of women's rights in Europe in the not so distant past.
People talk as if women have enjoyed all the freedoms for a couple of miillenia in Europe, while actuality it's been some decades and cultures were quite chauvinistic before.
And while legal discrimination is mostly overcome now, I'm sure we can find some cases of homophobia and misogeny still.
Yes, Türkye has problems that need resolving and I don't see them fixed in a couple of years. But there is no fundamental reason it can't reform.
Change is quite normal throughout history.
@@muratopozturk5211 I live on one of those islands and I'll not eat popcorn, I'll find myself in the middle of a useless, stupid war.
But it's highly unlikely that Turkiye will try to invade, that would most likely end the existence of NATO as we know it and leave Turkiye exposed towards Russia.
@@Juho221 So does Greece and the romans and cossacks and the... you get the point
About time
Short answer? No. Not as long as Turkey is keeping Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.
There is a dozen other reasons too. And about their stance on Fin/Swe, it was basically a designed trap, so they are not even acting in good faith which makes it a Nato internal matter instead of a negotiation.
I think Finland and Sweden might have a thing or two to say about that.
Does not matter. Even if Sweden and Finland were favorable the rest would still object. Therefore Sweden and Finland have no leverage in this matter.
Im surprised that most videos made about Turkey and its EU accession process don't even mention that there is an active casus belli (!!!) against Greece, a country which is not only a member of the EU but also a NATO "ally" of Turkey. Not to mention the daily scrambles between greek and turkish fighter jets over the Aegean sea, but also the recent hostile rhetoric by the turkish president that his country might invade greek islands "at nighttime when greeks will be sleeping" .... It's quite shocking that really few channels have covered these series of events over the past years!
Greece is not considered a "proper" EU member by most nowadays. So there propably is little consideration for their objections, but in the end it's still right of coure, countries with border disputes can not join. However this is actually not that big of an obstacle, Greece does not have the military or economic power to have it their way, unlike Turkey and the EU, in other words, Greece can be "made" to resolve these issues by Nato and the EU if Turkeys negotiating position was strong enough, which it is not at the time.
@@timokohler6631 You got it all wrong. There’s nothing to categorize the country as a “non-proper EU state”. Greece is a frontrunner in integration matters. The reason these issues are not being paid attention to is because the US has the EU by its balls. Turkey for the Americans is a geostrategically important country due to the straits, so there’s no reason to do anything “big” regarding their authoritarianism against Greece and Cyprus because, frankly, they’re just barking. The moment those dictators decided to escalate the situation, though, would be the end of Turkey as we know it. Nobody would “force” Greece to do anything, they’ve got a veto, and will always have one when the general veto system is scrambled, since the accession veto will be the only one to stay. But that’s not to say that Greece would theoretically be against Turkey’s prospects of joining (not that it all ever happen). Greece was actually one of the few countries who supported their membership bid, in an attempt to resolve the problems Turkey has caused. But it doesn’t matter anymore, literally every country in the EU would be against Turkey joining, like, ever.
They have a casus belli as much as russia does in invading Ukraine: none at all. They're essentially the same imperialist dictatorships
@@timokohler6631 define proper mr Kohler. Also, you d be surprised but Greece has the upper hand in a military conflict with Turkey right now in terms of air and sea superiority.
@@bodom2005 AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHASHSHSHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAAH
no chance, there are still way too many open issues...
"Nebula have bought this ad so you don't have to watch an advert" + Curiosity Stream. Skip ad. Immediately followed by Brilliant. Nice
Not with its current corrupt regime
imagine the refugee chaos and illegal border crossings into Turkiye from the Middle East if it joined.. truly a ridiculous proposition... also Erdogan seems to be getting more sus and authoritarian by the year so we need to seriously be weary of that in general
okay.... hold on.... I actually watched the advert you bought. Ended a bit early don't you think????
Tldr ad before a TLDR video. Meta.
As a Swedish person its a hard no... you all know why.
Because they didn't let you in nato ? Loool
It's amazing how u guys want to be cucks for nato
Because they didn't let you in nato ? Loool
It's amazing how u guys want to be cucks for nato
thats why you cant join to nato
I like how the EU doesn’t have the biggest city in Europe
Turkey needs to "rebuild" it's democratic structure first
No. They don't need the CIA and feto and MI 6 anymore....democratic structure right ???!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
Yes you finally made an ad I can skip
Turkey should go it's own way. EU would never let them in.
With the unaccountability, the aggression towards Greece and Cyprus, the opportunist mentality it always exerts everywhere even on Finland and Sweden, Turkey will never enter the EU. Its literally the one nation that simply has a too undeveloped mentality and maturity to join the EU. Under any other condition would it be a good idea to let Turkey join, but like this, never
Finland and sweden literrly support the rebels in turkey, what u talking about man?
Kıbrıs Türklerindir
@@serkandavran55 aynen knk
Lol awesome ad!
You cannot make beautiful butterfly out of earthworm.
In Turkey, we don't even talk about it anymore. It has been very very long time since I have heard the EU membership debates in our news.
It is an issue which is not taken seriously in Turkey. So, do not ask the same silly question " Can Turkey join ? " again and again.
They are accting like they have some influence , they don't have.
The Turks are a Muslim Civillisational State..... this is their
destany.... 🌘🌘🌘🌘🌘🌘🌘🌘
Thank God I hope you guys will never join the EU !!!!
Wont happen in the forseable future. Just the fact alone that they currently commit war-crimes in Cyprus makes any discussion moot.
turkey isnt committing war crimes currently in cyprus they used to commit it but now there is no on going war crimes in cyprus the whole cyprus conflict started because greek cypriots were committing war crimes against turkish cypriots of course responding to war crimes with war crimes isnt an excuse to well commit war crimes the real issue avoiding them joining the union is that the turkish government is oppressing kurds but some speculate that the more important reason doesnt lie in turkey but in the EU as they dont want a muslim majority country with 97% of their land in asia to be involved in their business this theory is supported by the fact that the political map of europe usually goes around turkey adding armenia and georgia but not turkey which is surrounded by 4 countries usually considered to be fully european but it itself isnt but again this isnt confirmed
War-crimes? What are you talking about lol. It's laughable how people nowadays through around serious allegations so easily. If we keep doing this, there won't be any gradient left to distinguish between actual evil. Just like comparing Putin to Hitler. It's nonsense and sacrificing credibility for a short-term benefit.
Not a chance they pissed of every core member and founding nation of the EU . The EU i smore inclined to terminate all treaties than ad them to the EU .
No. They are further away than ever.
Could you possibly write something about the current political situation in Bulgaria? It is a very interesting what is happening there right now and the politics are almost like some reality show. Finally, a government has formed that wants to reduce corruption and the mafia's presence in the country, but the status quo is resisting really hard.
What is happening in Bulgaria?
@@Ryan_Alwi it is really hard to explain in a comment. Basically we have a government finally that wants to get the mafia out but the opposition from them is strong and we might not have a government soon.
@@thepigeonhqhq mafia has influence in government like in Italy?
@@Ryan_Alwi yes, just like in many "democracies" actually, in Bulgaria the mafia pretends to be the three separate powers
@@thepigeonhqhq so u are saying that every single branch of government in Bulgaria is controlled by the mob at the end of the day... Bone chilling
Bad idea...
I doubt greece would go for it but turkey is not a good fit culturally or politically not to mention ever more diverging interests....I think the best to hope for is a partnership of some sort but the fit isn't good.
Turkey and the EU should agree on letting them join the single market, but not be a member. This would offer both parties the flexibility they would like. Switzerland is a great example of being in the middle, plus Turkey position in the area makes it better suited to not join one side of any party, plus they're already in NATO. So NATO, already in the customs union, and they can be in the Single Market now as well. Also, maybe offer more opportunities for Turkish students to access more universities and jobs in the EU.
Something like that would have been the road back in the day when it was still possible. As it stands, no fucking way.