Top 3 Bands Ginger Baker Hated The Most
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Top 3 bands that Ginger Baker hated.
Renowned for his passionate demeanor and strong-willed personality. Ginger Baker was widely considered rock’s first superstar drummer. He was known for his flamboyant playing style that were influenced by jazz, rock, and West African music. His jazz background and interest in African music helped him develop and master a polyrhythmic approach that changed rock drumming. In 1969 Baker joined Clapton, Steve Winwood and Ric Grech to form the supergroup Blind Faith. He played a similarly key role in shaping the more finessed work of one of rock's first supergroups, Blind Faith. The band broke up after a challenging U.S. tour. In 1970 he went on to form his own short-lived group, Ginger Baker’s Air Force. He led bands that linked the flamboyant intensity of rock to the intricate polyrhythms of jazz and jazz-rock fusion. He was the first rock-era to seek out and become fluent in the nuances of African drumming - famously collaborating with the Nigerian Afrobeat pioneer Fela Kuti. He's often credited for bringing the extended drum solo to the fore in rock music. His work in Cream influenced almost every rock drummer that came after him. Known for his strong' opinions, Baker was never shy about sharing his thoughts on other bands. So, let’s dive into the top 3 bands that Ginger Baker hated.
Not the nicest guy but he was an amazing drummer
i doubt very much the Led Zeppelin legacy will suffer from anything Ginger Baker said
😂 exactly 💯 👏
Pete Townsend said he hated Zep too, so Baker wasn’t alone.
Ginger wasn't out to hurt. He was just giving a reality check for those who weren't quite there yet.
@@YtuserSumone-rl6sw Yes. Many people remember Ginger Baker, once you point out that he existed.
A lot of musicians didn't like Led Zep ------- terrible thing jealousy 😊
Ginger was a super fine drummer, but he was also an irascible, bad tempered misery guts. See ‘Beware of Mr Baker’ for reference!
Ginger was a groundbreaking musician, but he hated everybody and everything. He never had a good word for anyone but himself. He fancied himself as the best of everything. He was just a violent, miserable bastard.
I don't recall him ever dissing Charlie Watts, though...they basically chased each other all over London substituting for each other in various bands!
So true, a miserable bastard.
No one wanted him in a band with them it seems..surly abrasive type i guess...cream was his apex n then ...............
@@RC-gf8cs It's sad because he was a monster drummer, and also a major player in the early days of the jazz/blues movement in England. The Graham Bond Organization was a great, pioneering band, but yeah, Cream was his claim to real fame. And then Blind Faith, but after that not much.
that sums him up, and I loved Cream and Blind Faith, despite him
In 50 years time The Beatles, Zeppelin and the Stones will still be remembered while Baker will be remembered as a footnote.
I doubt that.
Baker was a special element of a special band. Personality aside, he should be honored for that. I won’t forget him.
Not by real musicians and fans with good taste.
@@rogerwilliams5382 Taste is completely subjective although yours is questionable at best
@@charleshendrix232 So is your opinion. .... Everyone has one.
Only three??? He hated every band unless it was jazz. You got to take his opinion with a grain of salt or not all all . He was an angry person and his opinions aren't really legitimate
~ Title says "Top Three," implying there are more.
He was overrated and over promoted.
Listened to all these bands when growing up....went on to play drums...Listened to good times bad times absolutely blew me away with the triplets what a drummer bonham...👍👍...
Ian paice once said about him great drummer but not a very nice person
@@ozzyvaldez1265 my thoughts exactly
When Blind Faith was running autions for drummers Ginger wasn't invited but he went anyway, sat down at the kit and said "okay when do we start". The other three were too afraid to tell him your not invited. Great drummer scary guy.
Saw Baker with Cream and Blind Faith...we were blown away by his "Toad" solo but the "Do What You Like" solo was the 'same ol' stick'(pun intended)...
Lost his dad in WWII. Coped by being an avid bicycle rider in childhood which he credited for his endurance and ambitious playing, in several respects.
Hawkwind is my favourite band and as for john bonham he waa one of the best drummers out there
Amazingly underrated band, and still going. Best wishes mate.
Hawkwind weren't as good after Lemmy left, don't appreciate their records after that.
@michaelmac1798 everyone to there own I love pink floyd too different level people dislike the floyd
Ginger's remarks have such a profound effect on people. Nobody likes Led Zeppelin, and like Ginger says Bonham and Page, all of Led Zeppelin are no good. They never even sold one record. Never sold out one arena. In Ginger's dreams. Reality. Led Zep is more appreciated and their music more loved by more people, way, way more, than anything Ginger Baker ever did in music.
Love both bands but a lot of numbskulls are Zeppelin fans. Cannot say the same for 'Cream.'
i can say this .When i first heard Zep years ago i said wow listen to that drummer!! he's amazing .When i first heard Cream i said wow listen to that guitar player he's amazing ..Enough said
True
So Jimmy Page weren't much cop either?
What about Jack Bruce. For me he was the best of Cream
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING AS A BODYGUARD FOR GINGER AND HE WAS VERY NICE AND VERY TALENTED ❤🎉
Luckily i saw him play with my favourite band Hawkwind in 1980 on the back of album Levitation. People in the audience were shouting out "Sack Baker". I didn't know much about him or Hawkwinds history. Essentially they were not a good fit but Ginger wanted to create a super group by splitting the band and bringing other musicians in. The band leader Dave Brock, a man often maligned, had the choice to sack the bass player, much lived Harvey Bainbridge or Baker. Dave viewed Harvey as a friend and sacked Baker. Thus began the revolving door of drummers into the band. Hawkwinds ethos did not match Gingers. Ginger was always interested in status and being recognised for his greateness. He is a brilliant drummer and Levitation remains my favourite Hawkwind album. I was 16 when it came out. RIP GB.
No one should trust the opinion of any drummer who insists on playing solos.
Unless you were Keith Moon, he was a huge Beach Boys and Beatles fan even before both even got to their musically peak. Keith was so humble and also played the hell out of the drums.
John Bonham is my all time Favorite.
Only Three?
Most of the comments are absolute rubbish. He was friends with John Bonham, Keith Moon, Ringo Starr, Charlie Watts in fact most drummers and other musicians.
Ginger was a groundbreaking drummer. However, he was not the most pleasant character and to be honest his opinion on other bands holds little relevance. Even the comments posted here are dubious. For example, I've heard Ginger dissing Hawkwind previously. I have also heard him say that he enjoyed his short tenure with the band. Maybe his opinions were linked to the lunar cycle!! I loved Cream and Blind Faith had their brief moments, but that doesn't make Mr Baker an expert on 50 + years of music!
Sounds just like Pete Townshend
3 bands he hated?! Surely it would be easier to list the only 3 bands he didn't hate (all his own). Ginge was an excellent drummer, but a bit of a knob in all other departments.
Ginger seemed completely enamored with every one else in music. Always competing (in his own mind) and always spouting that he was the only good drummer out there. He was always saying he was the best, that everyone else was a joke, as is if it were some sort of soccer game. In his mind he was the only one who deserved any and all the money. But none of his (self made and imaginary) enemies were even competing with him. Must have been a very lonely experience. He seemed like an angry little boy & it’s become all he left this world with: his spite.
Ginger had all mirrors removed from his home because he hated seeing Ginger Bager in his home.
…sounds like Jealousy to me….😭
couldnt have said it any better!!!! he was indeed jealous
Ginger was jealous because zeppelin made more money then any rock band around in their era the jealousy come Purley from a money perceptive not a musically one
But Led Zeppelin’s first 2 albums were the balls of Hard Rock in 1969, nothing more powerful until Black Sabbath got noticed.
There is a difference between jealousy and annoyance. Plenty of musicians are annoyed with the simple taste of the masses.
Imagine a Michelin star level chef seeing many Michelin star level restaurants on a street. Then he sees them go bankrupt because everybody just go to Burger King and McDonalds.
That's not jealousy its about.
Thank you.
I get a little irritated by how limited
folks are with the musical taste.
Great bands=great musicians.
They re birds of a feather.
Black Sabbath and Deep Purple
had Bill Ward and Ian Paice, who
put their distinct touches on the
music the same way that Keith Moon
did for the Who and Bonham with Zep.
Idk why people get so enamoured with
one band and one guy and say that
they re the undisputed best. They are
A cog in the machine-a vital one. A
musician not liking another musician
because of " undeserved fame " can
rest easy. Look at music these days, lol.
How many are even " real musicians " ?
They both were great in their own right, Ginger was more of a loud mouth
The commentary saying thatHawkwind were the only band Baker brutally destroyed is bollocks. They continued in better heart the moment Harvey sacked him. The man was an utter shit of the first water. His ego went so far as him putting in his god-awful 'Toad' drum solo in the middle of 'Brainstorm', one of Hawkwind's great tracks' during the 1980 Autumn tour. At two venues, Hanley and Hull, he was booed so loudly he heard it over his self indulgence and he was forced to cut it short at Hull. A thoroughly nasty man - his grotesque behaviour trumps any kind of "musical genius". And that's a joke too.
Bonham was the modest drummer and the greatest 😮
Levitation is a great Hawkwind album.
He is an anomaly is hawkwinds history as a known "star" before joining so he was never going to fit into ethos of the spacerock scene.
Few ex drummers well.ahead of him in hawkwind folklore....terry ollis Simon king Martin Griffin.
Can't see many hawkfans being disappointed in his.comments.
Like Ginger drumming specially in East Timor. 💎🤗👍
Ginger Baker is one of the greatest! My favorite with Mitch Mitchell.
Just ask Clapton who was better, Baker or Bonham? Baker!!
GINGER HATED ALMOST EVERYONE....
Bro I’ve heard dozens of drummers being praised long before Ginger is mentioned. And Keith Moon was arguably the first super drummer, he was in The Who for 2 years before Cream was formed. He was soloing in 65 on his small kit. The Who weren’t popular at all until after Tommy in mid 1969. And Keith might have been the most kindest drummer of his time, with The Beach Boys being of his favorites during their Surf era, If Keith had the choice he would have actually left The Who at their peak of Who’s Next tour in 1971 to play with The Beach Boys while Dennis had a hand injury. He also had formed a friendship with Ringo and perhaps Paul McCartney too, and was a Beatles fan during the early 60s.
Cream is good and all but Ginger can’t hold a candle to Keith in his prime.
BTW, lots of band that played Blues/Hard Rock in the late 60s seemed to hate Led Zeppelin. Pete Townshend and Jimi Hendrix did as well. They were all purely jealous as Zeppelin’s first 2 records pretty much set the blueprint for 70s Rock, Led Zeppelin we’re at their ultimate peak in 1969, no one touched them at that time, aside from The Beatles Abbey Road. And yeah Bonham can too drum circles around Ginger and I’m not even the biggest Zeppelin fan, especially after their first 2 albums.
Ginger purely just proved himself to be an asshole that by saying he is the best just because he was classically trained. I honestly think it’s more impressive to not be classically trained and still write masterpieces like The Beatles and others. Ginger has not aside from being the drummer of Cream
It's a fine line between genius and madness sadly!!! But he was a great drummer in Cream 👍🏼🇬🇧
He became a truly hateful bitter and twisted old man..He seemed to pretty much hate everything and everyone ( apart from some old jazz )including his only son, because he ‘wasn’t black’ !
this man was sick in the head
Who cares what Ginger Baker thought? He was a complete jerk.
Great drummer but definitely needed a slap now and again
Ginger seemed to have it out for everyone.
Only guys that were better than him, and there were a lot.
@@alandesgrange9703 he seems like he was a dick
RIP Ginger Baker. I've always assumed he hated everyone and everything. You know, kind of like Don Henley or John Mellencamp.
@@NVRAMboi Don Henley is a piece of work and I always hated the Eagles ZzzzzZzzz
I think it‘s safe to say he hated just about everyone
PSA: it’s Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, and Hawkwind
WHATS GINGER BAKER Babbling ABOUT HAWKWIND SPACE RITUAL IS ONE OF THE FINEST LIVE ALBUMS EVER 🎸🎸🎸
He hated Jack Bruce as well, one of the best bass player vocalists ever.
Jack should have smacked the c
Ginger hated everything, and everyone! Great Drummer, but clueless as a Person!
Bonzo was on a completely different level, Ginger was average
John bonham greatest drummer ever .led zeppelin best band ever
I think Buddy Rich might have something to say about his claim the first time a drummer leads a band.
Why should we care who Baker or Waters hated? And what sort of person exploits hatred to make a buck anyway? Hate, hate, hate! Hate for sale! Hate for clickbait! Sick! Rethink your niche dude. Tell us who they loved and turn us on to the greatness of that music rather than promoting the churlish aspects of their personalities and the times when they exposed themselves as having small minds and small hearts.
Ginger didnt much like himself, which suited everyone else
Bonham was a great drummer but Baker was a musician.
He was a junky. 😂
@@seanmeehan-js5kh And Bonham was an alcoholic
The first supergroup Ginger Baker played in was Cream and not Blind Faith.
1. Zeppelin
2.Stones
3. Hawkwind
Any chance of finding three bands he did like?.
Ginger is best known for his nasty disposition rather than his drumming.
A sorry legacy.
Well, deserved too.
if you listen to the early Meters you'll hear more than a few familiar things from drummer Ziggy Modeliste that John Bonham got ideas from.
Interestingly Baker's grudge against Cream was that they would not cut him an equal third of the money even though he was a major contributor to their success.
He didn't have a grudge with Cream, his grudge was with Jack Bruce and it started well before Cream when they played in the Graham Bond organisation. Cream was Gingers idea and he asked Eric Clapton to join the band who said he would but on the condition that Jack Bruce is the bass player. Ginger reluctantly agreed to ask Jack to join and Jack has said in interviews how shocked he was that Ginger asked him to join his band; given their history.
Cream played a mixture of blues covers and original material that was mostly written by Jack Bruce and Pete Brown who wrote lyrics, Eric Clapton contributed on a couple of records but most of the original stuff was Bruce/Brown so most of the money the band made in royalties went to Jack Bruce and Pete Brown. Ginger did contribute massively on how the songs were arranged and he would change the time signature and rearrange it as Jack wrote everything in straight 4:4 time and if you heard the music played the way Jack composed it in 4:4 time; it would be a completely different sound. Ginger was a genius of "time" and without his input Creams sound would not be the huge heavy swinging pendulum which we know and love.
The point I'm leading upto is that although Gingers Input on many Cream records was significant, song writing credits are generally split between the person who wrote the melody and the people who wrote the lyrics, Gingers input is technically regarded as arrangement which doesn't get credited for royalties. This is what Ginger isn't happy about as Cream was his band and his input was vast but he's earned pittance for his influence and Pete Brown earned shedloads for writing lyrics and Jack Bruce earning huge royalties on songs that Ginger helped create.
"He introduced the long drum solo into rock music". The only good thing about that was it gave me the chance to get to the bar while it wasn't too busy. Drum solos are OK if you are Joe Morello, but otherwise forget it.
What about Iron butterfly drum solo's
He hated everyone and everything. Rather sad .
Yeah and he was well liked and respected as a human being ..wasn't he ?
Keith Moon played lead.
Did Ginger like Keith Moon?
Bill Wyman is a hell of a great bassist. I think he was the best musician in the Stones.
Yep, clearly very envious.
Has there ever been anyone or anything GB didn't hate?
Never heard of the last band
For someone who only had real success for 2 years in his whole career Ginger Baker had a helluva lot to say.
@@ArchieFatcackie I never liked him much as a person either but I think he had a bit more than Two years of fame.Blind Faith,Ginger Bakers Air force, Bruce Baker and Moore,Baker Gurvitz Army.And I have a Ginger Baker Trio Jazz Album.So he did have an extended career
@@keithhoughton3334
I had the unfortunate experience to witness Ginger Baker’s Airforce at Sunderland Locarno in 1970.
They were by some considerable distance the worst band I ever saw.
A chaotic collection of pissed up druggies who never had a clue what each other were doing.
Blind Faith lasted 6 months and was a bit of a disaster as for the rest you call those famous?
Take away Cream and virtually no one would have heard of him.
Angry, bitter old man
People always talk shit about you when you're dead.
That's okay. NOBODY liked Ginger Baker. Not even his own family.
Baker, Pete Townsend, Keith Richards,Ray Davies all hated Led Zeppelin. The reason I think is jealousy since it was Zep who truly nailed that Hard Rock sound that would become the blueprint for every hard rock/heavy metal band that came after.
Ginger Baker was a curmudgeon and was right about some of the things he said but he wasn't someone I'd want to have been around much. Good drummer though.
Bonham had more talent in his pinky toe than baker had all together. And I have the utmost respect for Baker. Baker’s problem was the booze talking.
Ginger Baker's Airforce might be the worst album I have ever heard.
He also formed another band call The Baker Gurvitz Army.. before joining Hawkwind
Not a person you want to give you a job reference.
So so many artists who hated/hate 3 bands, what is wrong with all these people???
I always thought Hawkwind was really great, but perhaps what let them down was less than stellar vocals, otherwise a great, highly original band?
Yeh, didn't stop him using the Hawkwind name for a tour of Italy after he was fired from the band...
You know who hated Ginger Baker? Pretty much everyone who knew him.
If we just left all music to those who can read a music sheet, we’d be in real trouble, and minus some brilliant tracks. 🤔🤔🤔
Lemmy was in Hawkwind
Baker was a very jealous guy.
And there's only 3 bands in existence
I think he was a good drummer. He had alot of swing but no Funk whatsoever. That's something i look for in a drummer. I think he would last five minutes MAX with James Brown but i can totally hear Bonham or Mitch Mitchell bring up the Funk. I actually think Cream was better in the studio. Those long jams get tedious to me after awhile.
He was the curmudgeon of the drums.
What an awful man. If it wasn't for Bruce and Clapton's writing, singing, and musical talents Cream wouldn't have been anything. Baker was a great drummer but great drumming is no good without great songs.
Barriemore Barlow was highly rated by Bonham,baker didn't like any other drummer,at least Bonham recognized talent.
Apart from himself,what didnt he hate?
Ginger has this reputation for being a misanthrope but he just had strong opinions about music. If you think about those opinions he does have a point. Bonham was a technical monster but he wasn't 1/2 the musician that Baker was. Zeppelin's actual song writing was pretty suspect even though they had an original sound. Also the Stones have a few good songs but they aren't really better than a lot of bands that didn't get any recognition. I think it bothered Baker that the public often responded to image over music.
He sucked while in Hawkwind. He didn't quit, he was fired.
Didn’t Baker hate everything?
Just 3 bands really?
The Hawk Wind??
There is nobody more pompous in the music industry than people that claim to be "jazz trained"
Bonham was way better than Baker, I didn't think Bakers drumming was anything special
Ginger Baker wasn’t good enough to be Bonham’s roadie.
Ginger thought so!
Slowhand said he was better than Bonham but what does he know
@@user-ez2yi6on1y Sorry, but Clapton's a mediocre guitarist who made a name for himself mimicking Albert King licks at a time when nobody else could. His opinion doesn't matter that much
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Totally agree, nowhere near as good as Bonham, same with the rest of the band none of them were as good as Zeppelin's members.
@@user-ez2yi6on1y Like every parent that thinks their kid has the most talent.
One thing I understand about Ginger Baker is that he was a relatively old guy trying to play younger music. He was of a slightly different generation than his hippie peers
He supposedly was also a jazz drummer, but I never heard him play jazz, not the bop style anyway. I can’t imagine him playing with bird or miles, he wouldn’t have fit at all.
He battled three of the greatest jazz drummers, max roach, Elvin Jones, and art Blakely
@@jlobiafra and what was your conclusion to those battles?
@@jlobiafra Drum solos are only one part of playing , the other part is comping.
@@chuckc7375 ginger held his own. He's an amazing drummer and a terrible human being. People really focus on his character and they dismiss his abilities. The guy started as a free form jazz player who was mentored by one of the best jazz drummers Phil Seamen. Made his transition to rock and was one of the first drummers to incorporate double bass to rock. Then later when living in Africa joined Fela Kuti playing afro beat. Then in the nineties played hard rock metal with masters of reality. He could play multiple styles. And Yes, he was a jerk.
@@jlobiafra Multiple styles? Could he play bebop ,? That’s a style. Baker played just fine in the rock world, but he would have been lost playing with bird, or Miles, or Trane, and yes you’re right he was a jerk. I once met Buddy Rich in a music shop many years ago and he was another real jerk. He asked me what records that I was looking for as I was going through the albums, and I said that I was looking for any Billy Cobham albums and his reply was, he’s ok if you like Tonka toys and walked away. He could play like Cobham if he had two more sets of hands and feet. He was a nasty guy, and I will never forget that day.