REALLY saving energy: Paul Wheaton at TEDxWhitefish
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2014
- Paul Wheaton, the bad boy of Permaculture was proclaimed by Geoff Lawton in 2012 the Duke of Permaculture. He is the creator of two on-line communities. One is about Permaculture, Permies.com, and one is about software engineering, CodeRanch.com.
He is a powerful advocate of Sepp Holzer's techniques for which a recent study showed they have the ability to feed 21 billion people without the use of petroleum or irrigation. He also promotes the use of hugelkultur, which sequesters carbon and eliminates the need for irrigation, and polycultures, which reduces the need for pest control and improves the health of plants. He wrote several articles about lawn care, raising chickens, cast iron and diatomaceous earth. Paul regularly uploads permaculture videos and permaculture podcasts.
In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations)
Yes Paul! Thank you for all that you do
Maybe the most underrated TED talk to date. As in, this would literally save the world if more people knew about it and started to transition.
have you made the transition? Contacted companies that can provide for this?
How do i actually do anything with this idea? people want some solution they can buy.
TheMrSpam I am trying. I postponed my education to learn about life styles like this.
Sorry, but if all you do is wait for the right company to create the right product for you to buy, you will change NOTHING at all.
People need to realize the can just try stuff. Build your own Rocket Mass Heater even it takes a few tries. It will still be cheaper.
That is my plan. What about you?
Most overconsumers don;t have enough time or autonomy to try new things.
My focus is on regulating a righteous monetary system. In stability most problems solve themselves.
My plan in a nutshell is to replace the gold standard to an energy-supply standard. and impose plastics to be made of biomass. This way biomass won't be CO2 neutral but Co2 capturing, and the more we produce, the more we save the world, It's pretty much flawless and it's passive enough to not having to change peoples/business behaviour, and i'ts self regulating so, it won't disrupt world markets, but rather make money something positive.
TheMrSpam Of course you won't have the time if you don't restructure your life. But you don't need an 8-4 job if you can heat your house yourself!
Also, enforcing a standard like you propose would require a world wide authority to enfore this. Biomass plastics are more expensive to produce. Who will force China to switch? America? You?
Another point is that for a digital currency (with no physical representation like conventional money) you cannot control the total amount since every loan will create new money (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation). How will your currency prevent speculation like those that led to the crisis of 2007/08?
In your place, I would focus on your own life instead of trying to fix everybody else's.
Cheers.
busTedOaS yes the rocket mass heater can be put in nearly every home in America it’s so easy and so effective. I am currently building an outdoor wood boiler based off of the rocket stove design to supplement a propane boiler system.
Looky thar! It's me!
Love the dvds btw, learning some good stuff for our rocket stove workshops! Ty
I thought this was great, paul wheaton, despite all the challenges you talked about on your podcast.
Wahh so much clipping.
Too bad you didn't talk about the department of making you sad... :P
TEDx - the best and brightest with the most trending ideas about what is good for humans and the planet! You've arrived! Just where you should be heard! :)
Fully support the idea of rocket mass heaters. Additionally, the concepts here are most effective when considering the changes in environmental laws, government policies and incentives. Making CFL's more affordable doesn't change where the majority energy waste and usage is created. Bigger picture ideas create change, CFL's do not accomplish this, and pale in comparison.
Fantastic ideas!
ROCK!!!! GO PAUL!!!!
Man ! I hate it when the audio is ffucked up !
+Everhard Hooij Don't give up! It's only the first 20 seconds!
great stuff Paul!
Always amazing to me how often old technology is re-invented, and lauded as new and innovative. The "Rocket Mass Heater" is but a slightly modified version of the centuries old Russian fireplace. Same concept, same fast burn, same total combustion, same massive heat sink to radiate the captured heat over time. Originated in Siberia, I believe, which makes sense - necessity being the mother of invention. . . .
They are very similar, compared to a Franklin stove, but distinct nevertheless. Rocket stoves (invented by Ianto Evans, not this, ahem, individual...) not only burn hot and clean, but also burn smoke and gases farther upstream from the firebox. They also can be constructed from much cheaper materials (cob and a steel drum), much faster, with less skill, and less intensive foundation requirements. They have been called the poor man's masonry heater (even though lots of peasants have owned masonry heaters).
(I haven't watched 6 minutes of this yet, But I wanted to say:) A wise woman once told me: Necessity is the Mother of invention, and Praticallty the Father. (I think if everybody involved in trying to solve the problems this guy is talking about Might benefit if they kept this wise saying in mind [and that goes for government agencies too].
lol govt agencies you nean the BUREAUCRATS?
These solutions seem viable only for specific homes. How would one go about heating an apartment complex or large retail space?
The solution of using thermal mass next to the combustion chamber is a fantastic idea that the furnace makers have completely ignored. They spent a lot of thought on thermal exchange between hot gases with cold inner air but none have the option of filling your furnace with sand or another thermal mass. Most of the heat goes up the chimney. As for those engineers, architects and building code writers who make those honeycombs of concrete and rebar or cinder blocks topped with steel, they've known about thermal mass since at least the sixties. Its practically willful ignorance that hangs a gas heater from the roof and tries to blow heat down.
If you didn't have to deal with "the man" you could put a well build rocket mass heater on slab and vent it out a side wall. The fuel is branches from pruned trees.
If you talk to an architect about the inefficiency of large buildings and retail spaces they would probably tell you those spaces are fabulously efficient already. I brushed shoulders with an architect and he told me about his "green environmentally friendly designs" that use insulation and coatings on windows. He dismissed me and "passive solar design" as just good design that is industry standard. Yet I pass his office and he has old plans taped up on the glass to shade his desk from the scorching WINTER sun. If I could afford his services I doubt I could get a "good design" if camped out beside his desk.
Drake Dorosh I don’t see why the mass is necessary when water is already a superior form of heat transfer. With water heating systems, you don’t need to vent and you will not need to store heat either you can just run the system all day. I get that the mass is useful for those who don’t have such a system or the credentials to build one, but nothing is a better battery than the breaking of hydrogen bonds.
Yes!
gratz paul
your rocket stove, with a venturi style funneling system for your intake past the flame is it possible to attain blue flame highest combustion??
Eric Straka I mean it's hot enough to to burn a smokeless fire... So pretty damn hot.
The hottest part of the heater is not where the wood is.
if what he says is true, it's as close to a blue flame as you can get with wood.
When I was young, we turned our burned out (incandescent) bulbs for new ones when we paid the bill at the electric company. Damn, I’m old.
I love the Skyrim swallow sound effect at the start
I bought his Rocket Stove book a few years ago, with the intention of putting it in the straw bale house I was building. Long story short, never finished the house, haven't tried the stove. Still seems like a great idea.
So, more details on this house which uses summer heat in winter. His one little sketch isn't enough, and I can't find any reference anywhere else.
You have a large well insulated mass. Sand, water... You have pex running through every inch of it. All summer you have the sun heating liquid which circulates through the mass via the pex. All winter the heat is drawn out of the mass and into the living space.
Does anyone know anything about the house that he was talking about in the end of his talk? What was the name of the guy who built it? Where can i find more information on its construction?
Not certain of the spelling, but the earth sheltered house he mentioned is called by some a 'wofati'. Search RUclips for more videos, or visit Paul Wheaton's sites: RichSoil or Permies (includes podcasts and forums).
John Hait, I thought he said Hank, and my google search pulled up John Hanke from Pokemon GO haha! But John Hait wrote a book: Passive Annual Heat Storage. hope this helps!
So what about cooling? Are there micro cooling devices equivalent to the micro heaters?
high insulation keeps things cool from outside temperatures.
Yeah, but when you have an extended period of heat, insulation doesn't really work as I've discovered. I live in a recently ceiling-insulated house and I find that although the insulation works well during the day, if it's really hot or really hot for a couple of days, the insulation doesn't allow the heat to escape in the cooler evening even though there's plenty of draught. Perhaps it's a matter of doing other things in the house, however, I'm a renter and the insulation was a government-sponsored thing.
I'm sorry, I should have said "high thermal mass" keeps things cool.
This link will explain more: www.houzz.com/ideabooks/41801199/list/how-thermal-mass-keeps-you-warm-and-cool
Sascha Kyssa Thanks Sascha but that's not a simple thing such as a heated dog bed.
+100pcRenewables Perhaps a green roof, evaporation will cool the house and irrigation can come from grey water if needed.
Uhh, cant wait to start building my own rocket and amaze others to build one of their own
Brutally realistic. Honesty is not politically acceptable, LOL
Since he isn't using the bulbs as the rooms primary lighting, it would make more sense to actually use a infrared heat bulb, so that all of the output is heat - using a standard bulb as a heat source means it is putting out waste light!
Half the year, it isn't winter time.
If it isn't cold, then incandescent heat is wasted (and that's most of what the bulbs put out)
And lastly - if they are trying to save energy, why the heck are they wearing spring clothes? No hat, super thin sweater, sleeves even rolled up (as if it were too warm!)
There is one thing even better than conduction heat: insulation.
Dress appropriately, THEN use the heat lamps. And turn down the house heat even more.
I don't understand his claim that CFLs use more power. 18w is less than 50w. Anyone with a kill-o-watt meter can test this: CFLs use less total energy than incandescents of approximately equivalent brightness.
why not both?
busTedOaS There is no inherent reason one bulb couldn't be both, but if you are focused on a particular task, why not use the most efficient method to accomplish that specific task?
Bakari Kafele An infrared bulb DOES send out light, just none that is visible to you. You do get arround 80% heat and 20% light but its always a mixture. So why not use a mixture that contains light that is useful to us?
busTedOaS you had another reply you deleted :)
I agree, IF that light is useful for a particular application, you may as well. I was originally responding to what is shown in this TED talk, in which the light output is not useful. No one needs lights in the daytime.
My point about not needing heat in summer still stands. Very few people are going to change out every light bulb in their house twice a year with the seasons. Given that incandescents produce mostly waste heat at least 1/2 the year, it remains more efficient to use lights for lighting and furnaces for heating.
And you completely ignored my point about actually dressing warm in the winter, rather than heating up all the air, furniture, and walls of a house just to keep one's body warm.
Bakari Kafele yes, i did research so I could give a better answer! :)
You did not make a point about dressing warm. Paul did though and I agree.
I also agree that sometimes you need light, but no heat. That probably means that you need two types of bulbs either way, one energy saving bulb (light only) and a mixed one (since heat only doesn't really exist, does it?).
My question concerns the case if you DO want heat: Why use infrared light if you can use visible light? Sure, you might not always need it but it shouldn't bother you, either. I don't know numbers but it sounds hard to believe that a heater that constantly "wastes" energy on invisible light could be more efficient than an incandescent bulb producing visible light that is at least potentially useful. Am I wrong here?
so how would he heat a large house,.
Why do you need a 'large house'?
It comes back to design. Some traditional Swiss/Scandinavian/Russian houses are built around a chimney/central mass.
same way as his small one.
it'd cost more, but still less of more.
Let me first say that I like Paul and I have read many permaculture books, however, he thinks like an engineer, not a realist. Micro-heaters are not practical for a large family or an active small household. You can't take the lizard lamps with you to slop the hogs. I have read his WOFATI article, yet the slides do it no justice. Even with prior knowledge, his track was hard to follow. Paul is charismatic, but he hasn't distilled his ideas down to talking points. In 20 minutes, he could have clearly explained one or two ideas really well, rather than throwing 6 at the wall and hoping something would stick.
Pardon moi, but who takes any kind of home heating 'with you to slop the hogs'? Properly dressed, you should be generating enough heat through exercise to keep you warm while doing farm chores. Wheaton figured out how to stay warm doing what he spends much of his time doing - sitting at the computer, as do many of us these days. Or TV(s). But I'm certain you have the creativity to take the spark of an idea and adapt it for your situation, or be inspired to think of a different one that will work for you!
I found his track easy to follow without prior knowledge.
engineering can be applied to real situations.
try putting a hot water bottle under your jumper when you go out to slop out the pigs
Building underground is not new as of 1970. It's ancient technology. It's one of the oldest forms of homes.
Remember, we lived in caves which were warmer in winter and colder in summer relative to outside heat. The ancients simply made human=made caves.
You dont want to use a 40 watt bulb to heat yourself when you can use LED and have heat from a separate source so you can use your light source in the Summer when its hot. a 40 watt bulb in 90+ humid Summer is not fun, but an LED works well year-round and consumes far less electricity which is more useful than a energy draining incandescent bulb. Less electricity when solar panels and battery wattage is valuable.
Rocket Mass Heaters are VERY useful and I commend Paul for creating a place to have smart people come to collaborate and refine their craft on this technology. I just think they need to adapt the technology to more mainstream use instead of just the rural housing. They need to use more expensive materials (such as the brick the needs to be replaced every few months should be more resilient if the right material is found.
I'm trying to adapt the technology to house that has the usual building codes that do not allow RMH. I wish they had tried to do this so that adoption was wider than it is.
you can use incandescents in winter only, by putting them in desk lamp fixtures.
He lied, incans are not illegal nor banned.
He is known for ‘adjusting’ facts to fit his narrative.
heatlamps. and LEDs for better colour rendering.
What about those lights in the summer? Doesn't seem to be a good idea when you are trying to cool your house. Also, in Canada, the energy companies have been losing a lot of money during the winter, because of temperature rise. I'm sorry, but this doesn't seem like a good idea...
Water will run under the "invisible home" due to its position down hill...
He never claimed this solves the summer cooling problem. In the same way your furnace doesn't.
And here in Toronto, I've never seen a winter that didn't require home heating.
rip my ears
All awesome sauce, until you discover you can’t get homeowners insurance with one of these in your house. Not saying I agree that’s right, but it’s how it is. So getting people all fired up about an idea their insurance company will drop them for, isn’t that amazing to me.
Tell me naught of your energy saving idea. Too lazy to listen.
Word is Paul Wheaton only talks about things he read, he hasn't actually done any of this. Also, apparently his little community is more like a Jim Jones cult than environmental commune.
holy BAD audio batman
My personal opinion, this guy is a bit of a con man. He's making a profit on the environmental movement and cashing in on people's dreams of living a better life environmentally. I would stay away from him and find your information elsewhere. Do some research on the guy and you'll see what I mean
perhaps
This guy runs a cult.
cult...culture...permaculture.
Yes i'll make a wootfi hut and live like those hobbits, great idea where do i sign up to live like a modern peasant. Now the rocket stove he speaks of, i agree with him that it is more efficient then a regular wood burning fireplace or stove, but it's nothing new like he tries to portray it. Actually when compared to the ondol system where this design is taken from and modified is actually less efficient then that of the Korean ondol system. I think i said not enough about this loon, most i hope can see not to follow this nut case while other's i guess which have a lesser understanding and our easier to influence will be drawn to this nut, i guess ever nutcase needs his equal cult following of nutcases. Cheers
+woulfe42
Well do you actually have any technical details on why Korean ondol system might be more efficient? Or is this just random youtube BS, because I see an awful lot of name calling and very little substance.
Technical data? lol... listen try it for yourself i'm not going to waste my time with people like you. Even if i was to provide you such data you wouldn't know how to go about even to understand them not along compare them. lol.... why does your god the "duke" have tech data on his rocket stove. Yes b.s. talk is ever where incuding his and yours. In the end do what works for you i guess. Good day to you
+woulfe42
I thought so... all show and no go.
I assume you have a computer so google it. Lol... I don't have to prove anything to you. Now be gone troll
I never heard him claim to have invented the rocket stove. He's simply sharing the advice to help others. Some people on the other hand........ No advice or anything to offer just criticism.
This person is really difficult to understand.
That means you think to complicated