The Pathology of Long Covid - Why Viral Debris May Be The Cause | With Dr Bruce Patterson
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- In this second in the series of expert interviews, I talk with Dr Bruce Patterson about the pathology of Long Covid, his latest research results which suggest residual viral protein is responsible for triggering long haulers symptoms, and just what the implications of that might be for treatment and recovery.
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The Long Covid Handbook (Oct 2022), by Gez Medinger and Professor Danny Altmann and published by Penguin Books is now available in paperback, ebook and audiobook. A singular resource that brings together everything patients, clinicians and academics have learnt about the condition since early 2020, as well as lessons from sufferers and researchers of ME/CFS and other chronic conditions. It offers world leading expert advice on understanding, managing and treating Long Covid. The Long Covid Handbook is available from the following links:
US: a.co/d/0gvkJCU
UK: amzn.eu/d/9KjurGb
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References:
Patterson et al, paper 1:
www.biorxiv.org/content/10.11...
Cheung et al, Viral debris in gut and liver:
gut.bmj.com/content/early/202...
0:00 Introduction
0:25 Dr Patterson's background
2:43 Viral debris
6:52 Where is it coming from?
9:39 Is it specific to long haulers?
13:30 Why so many long haulers from wave 1?
16:35 Other evidence of viral persistence
19:20 The role of the gut
21:10 What about auto antibodies?
22:31 What role do hormones play?
24:53 Treatment
28:53 Can we treat the cause?
31:00 Do steroids have a role in treatment?
32:53 Dream research project
35:00 The third paper
35:47 Conclusion 
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My favourite part of this video was when Dr. Patterson said: "We're not going to stop working until we get this figured out."
@@dont_shoot_the_messenger I know! And what’s hilarious is I actually finally heard back from the Surgery manager because I used a swear word on the phone to a doctor stating “this is a Fucking nightmare” … I said wow so me having severe illness hasn’t got you to contact me in 5 months but A fucking swear word did 🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣
@@MrKelso85 OMG, people (women!) who show their frustration and anger are dismissed and get a psychosomatic diagnose within a blink. Are you a man coincidentally? Or is it culture? I'm from the Netherlands...
you dont actually believe him when he says we are going to work this out, all post viral conditions including aids are caused by low glutathione levels pulling down the atp levels resulting in a weak immune system that cant expel dead virus particles from the system,thats what a post viral condition is ,thats whats keeping them stuck in sickness its a nutritional deficiency thing 18mg ivm and 50mg zinc taken daily for 4 days in a row ends all post viral conditions then they have to raise the glutathione which raises the atp job done
@@dont_shoot_the_messenger glutathione fuels the cell mitochondria,cell mitochondria makes glucose and oxygen that makes the atp what fuels directly and indirectly every system in your body,the bodies foundation for health is glutathione,if it gets low it causes a catastrophic domino effect on health,thats the root cause of most sickness,disease and cancers in the body ,its the main reason america is the sickest country on earth,toxic gm foods have destroyed americas immune systems health,no glutathione
I took 27 mg of ivermectin for 5 days and daily zinc plus other minerals and vitamins. Didn’t seem to help. 🤷♂️
Blaming anxiety is the easy way out - thank God there are decent and caring doctors who would go the extra mile...
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It’s strange because anxiety /panic attacks does give similar symptoms that Long Covid gives , e.g. shortness of breathe , tachycardia, chest pressure, dizziness, bad sleep . So since doctors only know these symptoms as anxiety they would brush it off as that . This is connected directly to Covid and what it has done to our nervous system. Could it be the hyper inflammatory response that causes the damage to the nervous system ??
yeah, it's amazing how many doctors became psychologists! haha I experienced AWFUL gaslighting, and I'm a nurse. It was horrible.
they always blame anxiety the worse
@@andrewgomez7369 yes i decided to treat them both , im seeing a neurologist for the symptoms as well as a psychologist to treat anxiety symptoms, hopefully this will cure it for good , but overall im starting to feel better after 8 months of having Covid ! So it took me 8 months to start feeling healthier wow! Doctors have been telling me that it’s brings a lot of inflammation into the body and that is what creates long Covid !
Finally! I have figured out what is wrong with me. For 20 months I've been dealing with a multitude of symptoms. The Dr's I saw all wanted to blame it on anxiety. I knew the anxiety was an effect, not a cause. I pray that i can get a good treatment now.
Hey, how are you feeling now?
Hope you're doing well. Doctors did the same with me!
doctors, and even friends and family
Darin how are you doing now?
Yes, I have the worst anxiety now but the symptoms go so far more than that. Some days I can’t walk because my feet hurt so badly. Only steroids help which has caused so much weight gain. I think that feeds the anxiety…will I have a good or bad day. I’m a nurse and this is ruining my career. I also have nausea and uncontrollable vomiting along with fatigue and insomnia.
I love his approach to find out ‘why’, instead of treating the symptoms. I’m so tired of seeing Drs who only want to put a bandaid on all the problems….
Bravo Dr. Patterson!!
I spoke with him last night. He truly believes we will heal and get back to our normal lives.
With what treatment?
Will Holland Many people on his treatment protocols have improved.
@@dritonaliu5611 where can I find his treatment protocols ?
What are the treatments?
As a long hauler I'm so ready to be over this! This is hopeful information.
I am happy to see that there are doctors determined to figure out a way for healing long haulers. We are looking forward to see them accomplish this! Thank you very much for sharing usefull information, like usual! 🙏
Thank you for this video! As a long hauler of Covid, infection Aug. 2021, I deeply appreciate the insight and understanding of what is happening. My tests come back perfect and doctors do not know how to help me. I am left to read medical journals and findings on my own. The information on vascular inflammation and exercise being a modality for travel within the body provide so much insight to helping me further support my body through this process. Again, thank you!
Best of luck in your recovery!
@@RUNDMC1 I've had CFS since 1993, will any treatments for long haul covid be used in CFS treatment do you think?
@@ShadowMan66 Yes - some may help, although I doubt any will be a magic bullet!
What has helped you the most ??
@@user-hv8jw1fx7x For me, it was in better understanding the biological mechanisms behind what wasn't working correctly. This gave me a greater sense of control in developing what had to become my own treatment plan to try to address the daily disabling symptoms. I think the biggest challenge is how the symptoms show differently for others. So it is hard to go by what works for others because it might not help you.
Literally in tears. I’m no longer alone. I’m not crazy. 😭💙🙏
Praise the Lord! So glad to see that this being taken seriously. I have been struggling with this crazy virus going on over a year now.
Talk about a long journey we're all on.
I've brought a truck load of sandwiches and lots of books to read :)
Drama for their own medical failure
Great discussion and have been following these guys for a while with interest as they seem to be further down the line with understanding and treating long covid. I would consider myself now after 15 months to be mostly recovered but I have to maintain serious discipline to avoid setbacks such as no alcohol whatsoever, regulating my sleep every single night, taking anti histamines and generally been careful in the foods I eat. When any of these slip I almost immediately have symptoms within 24 hours that can last a few days. I have found I can tolerate a bit more excercise now too and have gotten back to playing golf at least, lots of hope out there for everyone no question from this horrible illness
Glad to hear you’re doing better Simon, like you I still have to be very careful on just about every front
take a heaped tea spoon of slippery elm bark powder in a glass of warm water 15minutes before food that takes about ten days to heal the holes in the gut and you wont have to watch what you eat then take 18mg ivm and 50mg zinc daily for 4 days in a row then take this to addresss the reason your weak immune system spits out cytokine storms take 2 x 600mg caps n.a.c.morn/eve - 1 x 1000mg caps cod liver oil morn/eve - 2 x 750mg caps beef liver extract morn/eve - 2 cloves not the garlic type morn/eve - 1 x 1500mg caps quercetin/bromelain morn/eve this protocol is to be taken with food its absolutely complete the quercetin/bromelain is a vital part of this healing protocol it makes sure its all fully digested,all your problems come from low glutathione levels which caused low atp levels thats why your immune system doesnot work properly this protocol is a very safe and fast way to raise the atp levels,it takes 10days to heal the gut and ten days to safely raise all your depleted levels send me a thumbs up when you are bursting with energy,the response of a weak immune system low on atp isnot a disease
Ivermectin
Simon what happens if you drink alcohol? I'm wondering what the symptoms would be
I found that my symptoms were far worse even if I had a few beers, and they were generally nausea, increase in physical anxiety symptoms and headaches. As a result I don't drink at all anymore and have found this necessary to maintain recovery from long covid for myself
Gez. That’s the best one yet. Exactly how I started with the chills and the stomach in March 2020. Glad someone’s piecing it together.
Me too - me and my partner both had nausea, chills, muscle pains, vomiting and diarrhoea. Both dealing with long covid symptoms well over a year later 😞
I have no doubt we’ll all recover at some stage, but it’s been a hard 15 months
@@andocobo same with me. My immune system since then is all over the place. We need to ask more questions. Doctors say your fine but something triggering auto immune responses. It's in our environment. What changed in these nations in march? I know my comment will get deleted if I day so.
Going on 15 months....so tired of it...
@@kellyberry4173 too right! I’ve got my second Hypobaric oxygen therapy tomorrow. First one didn’t do anything positive but I’m prepared to try anything.
@@mjenks85 I think your barking up the wrong mast if your suggesting telephone reception.
Thanks to you and Bruce for even addressing this problem in the first place instead of ignoring it. Most doctors today are criminally negligent when it comes to this issue and honestly they need to be made liable or else nothing will change, people will keep getting sent home without treatment.
That's the point: first they refuse to give you the treatments in the early phase that would help prevent long covid, such as hydroxychloroquine and azythromycine, talking to you like they would to little children. Then they deny your disease. Most doctors are overpaid , inhumane and incompetent. They need to be made liable and there should be a massive recruitment of doctor, so that it ceases being a position with privileges based on an artificial shortage of training.
@@mathieuvadon4958 they are vile and should be put in hand cuffs,doctors donot givea shit about health they make money from sickness,i cant stand them
And, Ivermectin was denied
Then again, paying lawyers to penalize and dismiss lazy medics is not a solution. Continual career development training and overseeing their performance may weed out the slackers, and encourage excellence rather than complacency, or, sadly, force them into the shady world of private consultancy.
I am a critically ill veteran with Long Covid and va doctors just don't know and don't care to know. I have been sent out in civilian doctors and better because I was found with Follicular lymphoid hyperplasia and have so many tumors on tongue and in throat, watching it spread. I am writing a book poetry for all of us long covid. I have lots of symptoms but doctors don't know or care to know. this explains why I am so sick.Ty for helping us Dr. Patterson and the doctors all who love us caring. My new infectious disease drs can help me by talking to this guy or listening. A blessing for us all!
Ty Run-DMC
I’m a long hauler that originally had mild symptoms. I’ve had a chicken Pock type rash on my palms and bottom of my feet and toes . Also my chest and face (but a different rash)since January. Also overall my body, my dermis is inflamed and shows through my epidermis as pink flushing. Even my old scars turned from normal to pink and red. It comes and goes, but never fully goes away.
I’ve never had a rash my whole adult life. Nor have I ever caught the flu. Vaccine free since I was 18. And only caught the cold 2 or 3 times in 40 years. I was proud of my immune system, until now.
Thank you so, so much. I am typical of the March long covid. Started in the gut, mild symptoms other than gastric spasms. 15 months later I still have fatigue, persistent headaches, brain fog, and regular anxiety attacks.
Wendy, did your doctor prescribe anything for the anxiety. I've tried sertraline, losartran, lexapro, amitriptyline and busbar. They all made my anxiety extremely worse. Lorazepam is the only thing that helps but it is not a long term drug. Hopefully there is something that works. My body seems very sensitive to any stimulus since covid.
Look into MCAS mast cell activation syndrome and go on low histamine diet.
@@ProPlayer-gg5uu I am on this now and also taking antihistamines. How much antihistamine did you take each day? How long before improvement
Exactly my symptoms!
The most optimistic discussion to date. Thanks for creating these programs and asking the important questions in layman’s terms.
Thanks Denise!
@@RUNDMC1
Could you ask Dr Patterson his thoughts on mRNA vaccine technology vs “long hauler” symptoms. His speculation is left over RNA antagonizing the immune system. Could some mRNA recipients develop some form of long hauler?
I definitely did. I know my Long COVID Symptoms are a direct result of my second dose of Pfizer.
@@markstaud
Makes scientific sense and this coming from a pharmacist.
@@RUNDMC1 aRE YOU A QUACK REMEDY EXPERT? I am a sceptical brit 🤣
Science has no religion or boundary. Fascinated to listen to this Doc glad there are wonderful people working to help humanity.
Real Science does, but we have NOT seen real science at work during this pandemic. We have seen Globalist Controlled Science by the vast majority of our healtcare systems world wide. Dr Patterson is a big exception to the rule of medicine in 2021....
@@joeorler4097 he's so calm and cool, musters command over his field.
@@adafridi i take it you find 95% of the Dr’s telling people to take aspirin & goto the hospital if you can’t breath amazing science Adnan. Also the global health orgs basically banning HQC & Ivermectin to treat the virus when both actually showed good proof of being able to at least help.
Like I clearly said Dr Patterson is a big exception to the rule but the vast majority of the medical community has been a joke during the past 15months.
Science does have a religion.... Global climate change... Claiming "extreme" weather... A quick look in the records show heatwaves for months in the 1930s and pre 1900s....same for "extreme" bad weather... Again nothing out of the ordinary or as scientists claim "more frequent"... I guess the political scientists don't look at public weather records...
I’m feeling angry that scientist and doctors ignored Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia for decades. Many doctors telling their patients it’s in their heads. It’s all the same thing but CFIDS and Fibro weren’t caused by Covid virus but by a number of other viruses and extended bacterial infection. 🤬🤬🤬
Brilliant vid - brings hope - thankyou. So glad I watched this as a March 2020 long hauler, who has visited Dr after Dr over the last 18mths, to be told my ongoing symptoms - breathlessness, cough, chest pain, palpitations, excruciating stomach pain, persistent migraine, dizziness and debilitating fatigue - are likely due to a virus and theres nothing they can do to help as all tests come back within acceptable limits. Its hard to find hope when there are no answers but even harder when you feel ignored.
How are you doing now? I'm a long hauler like you since March 2020. Just found this video, I have a lot off the same symptoms as you and a few more that includes exhaustion and the stomach a he's that I get a random along with diarrhea, which I never had this episodes before covid. I just got through 3 days of this and intentional issues.
I hope you are doing better then me. I still don't have all my taste us back nor do I have my regular appetite back either. Hope to heat from youu.
I hope you're feeling better. I can't imagine how difficult it's been.
I would never wish this on anyone. Please stay healthy and be safe.
Thank you Gez. This gives great hope that the nightmare might come to an end. It’s so important what you do! I hope you getting better soon!
Hi Gez! Very interesting stuff as always, thanks to you both!! Potentially 5 years+ of this though ...damn 😬
Hope you're feeling somewhat better yourself at the mo, all the best to you & everyone else who is in the same boat 💓
Thank you Dr. Patterson! Grateful person here for the information heard today. God bless you and give you answers in your research work.
RUN-DMC Thank you so very much for producing all of these videos, considering the scale of the problems there is not nearly enough being done about Long Covid, but I am very grateful for people like you and Dr Patterson trying to figure this out, I am 14 months in and losing hope I will fully recover from this virus but knowing there is work being done is very encouraging :-)
Thanks Caroline!
Thank you both for this. It really means a lot.
Thank you Gez....gonna save this for my grown daughters!❤ well done! During my physical, my Dr. blew me off. Just like he said.
Thank you for this video. I’m on my second long covid fight. My autonomic system went haywire and I got hyperacusis.
Half the doctors or nurses have no clue what long haul covid is.
I’m trying to be patient and do anything I can do to recover.
Thanks again Gez, it’s wonderful what you’re doing!
Thanks Marie!
Another wonderful video Gez !!
Can’t thank you enough for igniting hope in LC sufferers 🙏🏻
Thanks!
@@RUNDMC1 Thanx you for continuing on with your videos. I remember when you first started you were very sick. I hope youre better! Thank you for starting this channel.❤
Awesome discussion. I’m so grateful I found this video. Currently at day 23 with Covid, fully vaccinated, hospitalized twice via ambulance and still struggling with a variety of issues.
My doctors are on board with what’s going on, but it’s been difficult with the people around to understand it. Which has been unbelievably frustrating. Praying I recover soon.
So sorry to hear of your experience. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Find a DN , naturopath, who does ozone treatment. They are using ozone infusions with great success. There are many in Phoenix doing this, and I keep one on a short list for urgent use. Best wishes, and kudos 👍 for self-EDUCATING, something a majority of sheeple avoid, then blame everyone else for their problems. There is absolutely grounds for charges of criminality and cover ups and malpractice and breaking of oaths to serve and protect patients, and more. But there also is no excuse for people not educating themselves in their health responsibilities, and blindly trust others.
Hey e dust day 43 here having major symptoms here. Hope we both get better. What are your symptoms?
I’m starting Ozone Therapy, I pray it works. I’m at my white end with this, I can’t go on much longer.
E Dust how are your symptoms? Any better?
Thank you Gez! I so appreciate all your videos. I hope you are having some good days with your health. Take care.
Thank you Kim!
Omg you asked the best questions! I’m grateful for that , this video, and Dr Patterson’s research
Thank you Bruce! Happy to be a participant and one of these patients this was found in. And thank you for taking so much time to explain this to the longhaul and medical communities
Have you been taking their treatment protocol? How's it working out?
@@artlesscalamity348 I was doing ivermectin and maraviroc which did not help my symptoms but I have extremely high VEGF, so we are focusing on the vascular inflammation on me now. I will be on low dose steroids, ivermectin and fluvoxamine but I am awaiting an appointment to get the fluvoxamine
@@C19LAP Ask about taking an Ace Inhibitor for the vascular inflammation. A low dose (5mg of Enalapril) got rid of my Covid headache. There is research showing that Enalapril not only opens up the vessels, but it actually has a healing effect on the damaged epithelial layer.
@@C19LAP The FLCCC Alliance site issued a long hauler protocol. You might want to check it.
messsage me i can easily tell you how to heal,if u have ana uto immune condition taht has to be healedd first,ten days to heal the gut ten days to safely raise the atp levels ,i have healed tens of thousands all over the world
Thank you so much for all your work and uploading these videos!
Thanks Anna!
A very enlightening talk - thanks to both of you ❤️
This gives me so much hope, have had symptoms since last year and all doctors I saw even specialists were never helpful instead they looked at me as if I were crazy. I had COVID back on 3/20.
Great video as usual. Thank you. I find these discussions confidence inspiring for a full recovery.
Thanks Stuart!
Brilliant work my friend! I love your videos. It’s informative and straight to the point and offers so much hope and support to COVID long haulers including myself.
He is a quack cant you see? Gullible
Absolutely fascinating, I had no idea that the time of the month effected my immune system but this totally helps me make sense of something that happened to me last year that the docs couldn’t explain!
Good for you! Basics women stopped passing down to the next generations was inevitable. Protect your femaleness learned how complex and magical it is. At times too much to suffer. Those times help me be militant to make up my own mind.
A great video, science speeks volumes. I had gastrointestinal issues and chills, amongst others, when I started in march 2020 and some continue. I just really hope for the millions of us out there that the help will come quickly as it's hard to live with the issues. Thanks Gez
Thanks Edyta!
I can’t thank you enough for ploughing into this topic over the last several months. I have found your videos extremely helpful. Not only have I gotten some helpful items for my toolbox in managing long covid, I have also gotten some clear points to discuss with my local physicians. Even with a local covid center (I am not currently enrolled, not having a positive covid test fm 2020-03) I am finding either lack of knowledge or reticence to provide information at this time. Again, thank you.
Best of luck Terri!
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Excellent questions, amazing explanation and possible solutions. Most of all, hope. Thanks for this Gez.
It’s a pleasure Angela!
Thanks Bruce for the thorough work on this.
Thank you so much for all the great content you are putting out. I would love to know if you have come across any evidence about lymphatic drainage massages in helping remove viral debris?
We're waiting in Europe for this test to be available!! My life is basically suspended until I can get that proof that something is wrong, something diagnoseable.
The FLCCC site has just issued a long hauler protocol. I have heard from long haulers that prior to this being refined, the advice from the FLCCC was extremely effective in eliminating symptoms within days. Best wishes
There is no support In the UK, and especially for ex ICU covid patients .... It's dire.
GPs aren't interested, and I'm an ex ICU Covid19 patient who is still having problems 15 months after coming out of ICU.
@@kiwipics ME patients have been ill for decades. Same symptoms. I’m 14 years in. We need this research desperately. My trigger was a viral infection.
While you wait please get a copy of the book Medical Medium.
When I mentioned to my doctor on the phone that I'd had C19 in Feb..
she totally ignored me
I'm 70 and had Covid early June 2020. I was admitted to ICU and placed on HCQ, Zinc, and azithromycin. My improvement was quick and was discharged soon. I have not suffered many long-haul symptoms except smelling smoke at times. I had multiple health problems prior to getting sick - HBP, COPD (smoker) and other problems...I wonder if the meds I received helped the long-haul symptoms, also?
I think your treatment likely did help you, I’d been in contact last year with a guy on here that does HIFI reviews and he caught it and kept testing positive for a long time I think it was well over a month and soon after taking the HCQ protocol he tested negative and got better. I’ve since read HCQ has anticoagulant properties so still might help us? But I guess we won’t know for sure now.
Wow, consider yourself fortunate to be treated by the professionals you did. Most, in the US anyway are totally given to the negative narrative regarding HCQ & Ivermectin! Cheers!
What a brilliant duo. I can re-listen over and over and appreciate years of wisdom. When the sun is up I'm going to have smoke behind my heels sharing this with my open minded acquaintences.
Many Thanks ..
A real hero! Thank you Dr, Patterson!
Covid end of February 2020, fairly bad case. Over 15 months now. Remaining symptoms: difficulty breathing, brain fog, inflammation of knee, chronic fatigue. My partner all those and more, most likely myocarditis, cardiologist didn't test for it (!).. Until I realised a month ago that we were longhaulers no treatment other than supplements. Tired of being tired. Perhaps my regular consumption of apple cider vinegar helped the biome connection. Thank God for doctors like Bruce Patterson. These are the true healers.
I had what a Doctor called "unidentified lung virus" that lasted nearly 5 months from Jan-May 2019. I've had what seems like Long Haul ever since. Currently dealing with shingles for nearly 4 months. However, they aren't painful and they never blister. Had all the symptoms of internal shingles, and external shingles. This is all so crazy...hoping you get to a solid way to resolve it.
Just as you, I had long haul Covid and long haul shingles, but got rid of most everything except occasional lingering tiredness.
I had the same issue at the same time. Every time I started to improve the symptoms would reset and try to start over. I had loss of smell and taste, fatigue and tons of congestion. Nobody knew what it was, I got no treatment. I had antibiotics and took 1000 mg to stay out of ER.
Same issues with Shingles and long COVID. I’ve had Covid twice very mild symptoms June 2020 and June 2021. Shingles August 2020. I am pro vaccine I got both April and May to 2021. Both knocked me off my feet for five days. Record to stay strong. at times I really felt better. October began in sweating for no reason… Whether I was lying down middle of the night. Intermittent low-grade fever‘s body pain intense and headaches that nothing gets rid of… orthostatic hypotension when I stand up… Blood pressure goes down heart rate shoots up. Many flags in my blood test high cholesterol which I’ve never had, hi cholesterol high hemocrit, high hemoglobin, high granulocyted. My doctor says I’m fine. Lol. I had over 9 flags on my blood test which I’ve never had 1 flag prior! Had been able to do daily hour yoga walk 3 miles or swim 30 minutes… Now I can no longer do any of that.
I am trying to incorporate breath work and meditation… White walking anything to stay sane. The loss of strength scares me. I did have intolerance to hot shower… however that’s coming back… i’m trying to do hot cold shower intermittent to reduce swelling inflammation pain. Helps reset nervous system. I’ve had a history of autoimmune disease thyroid disease, Lyme disease and HHV6. I have factor five Leiden a blood disorder “ hyper Clotting”. which I believe is what fires up shingles Epstein bar virus. I eat cold water fish greens fruits take good quality vitamins minerals and amino acids. I used to like to drink a beer now and again. But my body will not let me have it… I either don’t have a taste for it or it just feels like the wrong thing when I take a drink. It’s sad… so many things I enjoyed that were my rituals were gone. Interesting used to be a coffee lover… it’s the one thing I’ve always loved since college and I’m 62. But my case for that has changed also… cannot drink coffee anymore… Taste different now.
My doctor of 25 years retired. My new doctor says I’m fine I need to work out more and eat better. What?
Help.
Lysine is HIGGLY effective for shingles.
Lysine is anti-virus.
Interesting about shingles. So many people have it now. I got it about six months after my 3rd vaccine. Absolutely horrendous rash over my lower back and around the hip and down bikini line before exiting like a lightning bolt at my 5cm below inner thigh. It was medical textbook in terms of size. Three other people got it on my floor at the same time.
Then a few months later covid and my lungs are fine. My gut I not...diarrhoea for the last month and nerve pain and allodynia
Excellent discussion, thank you.
I have untreated Hep. C, and I have Long Haulers. Thank you for touching on these persistant affects.
10 month long-hauler and started Ivermectin a few weeks ago. As long as I am on it I'm about 95% better but when I come off of it all my symptoms come back within 2 - 4 days. It has been a long journey but I am hopeful that the FLCCC doctors will figure all this out eventually. Thanks for all of your videos. I've been following your videos since August of last year when I realized I was a long-hauler.
Thanks Bobbi - best of luck with your recovery!
What dosage were you taking and at what frequency, please?
I had the same experience with Ivermectin. Also long about 10 months.
@@tzvetadaskalova9257 I have a video on my channel of everything I take. I was put on the Aguirre protocol so I started out on .4 mg per kg. Was also on Fluvoxamine for 14 days. A lot of vitamins and supplements too. I am on ivermectin once again but the dose is .2mg per kg.
@@BobbiJo how are you feeling now? What worked for you?
One more thing back when I had first got corona virus. I was trying everything to stop from getting really sick. I was taking daily immune support vitamins. I had doubled up on it and I was drinking warm honey, I was going over bored with trying to fight the virus off. I keep thinking that maybe that had something to do with why I became a long hauler. I was a very healthy person before the virus and I didn’t get very sick at all. While I had the virus. I don’t know I just want to know why some of us became long haulers and some of us didn’t, thank you again for not giving up on us all!
I did similarly as you did: I was trying everything to stop from getting more sick. I was taking MANY immune support supplements. I had also doubled up on them... So I'm also thinking I might have gone over board trying to fight the virus, which was very important in early first phase (i.e. virus replicated phase, the first 3-7 days), but I continued doing that in the later phases - during and after the 2nd phase (the inflammatory phase, around Day 7-14), which was a mistake because during the inflammatory phase we should have tamped down the immune support, we should have been taken anti-inflammatory supplements instead of continued high doses of immune supporting supplements.
I have started taking these anti-inflammatory regime 2 weeks ago:
Quercetin + Vitamin C, Curcumin, , Boswellia, Pine Bark Extract, and high dose of DHA/EPA (Omega 3 fatty acids), and Serrapeptase (a proteolytic enzyme, taken on empty stomach), they are all powerful anti-inflammatory!! They're really amazing help, they work far better than the steriod medication my Doctor previously prescribed for me.
Now I'm going to add Bromelain, taken with Serrapeptase on empty stomach.
So thrilled to have this information. THANK YOU! RUN-DMC! I now know why I am having long hauling effects from COVID-19. After having new labs done I can see how my cholecalciferol stores dropped dramatically even though I supplement and get plenty of sunshine and how my cholesterol went sky high, and my hormones went out of balance, not to mention the physical symptoms I have been fighting. Now I am wondering if I should take a statin for short term to off load this virus debris faster! hmmmm
Thank you for listening and researching for us long haulers, thank you doc!
Go to FLCCC website - Check out video on long haulers. Ivermectin just might help you. Keep us posted if you try their “Long Hauler” protocol. Had a sore throat yesterday.Just received my Ivermectin in the mail yesterday. Took my first dose to prevent getting Covid/variants. Sore throat gone this morning. There are plenty of testimonials from comments on other sites - people swear Ivermectin helped/saved their lives or loved ones. Good luck!
Just finished Dr. Emmanuel's ivermectin/hydroxycloroquine/azithro rx for my long covid. I feel flipping great. Continuing the hydroxycloroquine weekly for a few months, as I've been sick for so long. No headaches, no fever, no exhaustion etc. Painless procedure to get help. I'm so grateful to her team of very understanding professionals. Highly recommend contacting her. I'd been sick for 14 months.
can you give her contact please?
@@mathieuvadon4958 send an email to her. You can look her up.
@@mathieuvadon4958 I don't have a phone number available.
@@Pluscelamemechose i can't find her on the internet, does she have a website, where is she ?
@@mathieuvadon4958 use something other than Google. She's even on ytube.
Love this new series Gez! This is the first time I've seen Ivermectin noted for immunological effects, very interesting. So great that this Doctor mentions that early on it was clear that post-Covid patients clearly were "going home" with extremely abnormal, altered immune systems.
The "what research would you do next" question is also always golden. What a great way to hear where cutting edge thinking is leading!
Thank you Gez for continuing to make this information and these wonderful conversations available to everyone! 😄
Thank you Laura, glad you appreciate it!
First time hearing this!
Pop over to the FLCCC weekly update channel for more amazing news.
I had covid, even though I had been negative, I am constantly feeling nausea and vomiting at least once a day since , headache and lost my voice because I got laryngitis from covid. It has been 3 weeks now
Yes, would like to hear more about Ivermectin being noted for immunological effects.
I'm excited to start working with you Bruce.
Thank God we have a man like this working on Long Covid research!!!! We will get an answer soon!
This was very helpful...I caught vivid March 6 with mainly GI symptoms with the GI distress being very helpful I believe I also had it twice 2 nd time being 6 mos later just as I was beginning to feel better I know my virus was caught in Santa Barbara and the ship that docked there. My father also got it also becoming a long hauler but he was hospitalized.
Appreciate your work Gez,
Great interview
Thanks Dave!
Thank you doctor Patterson for what you are doing to help give people like me and my family our lives back
Thank you for everything you do! I hope you're starting to feel better!
Thank you Harper!
Very interesting. For me it will take a few repeat listenings to understand but worth it.
Thank you again for doing this work. It’s so important. 🙏🏻
Dr. Patterson is a brilliant physician and scientist and him and his team are doing great work. They clearly have a passion for solving this as much as possible, and as soon as possible. Glad I was able to connect you two. Great interview!
Thank you David!!
He is a quack. He charges 3000 for one bottle of Maraviroc which is a HIV medication not a covid one.
Wonderfully insightful and valuable! Thank you!
Thankyou so much for these information which has given me and my wife some better understanding of the pandemic. Also this discussion has helped us to be better prepared moving forward. God bless both you gentlemen!
Thank you Sinu!
Thank you Sinu!
Thank you so much Gez for the effort.
Hope it gives us answers.
How are you doing?
Had a bit of a rough time with the second jab of the vaccine but otherwise have been doing a bit better
@@RUNDMC1 Me too. Second AZ has again floored me. 15 months in and no real sign of recovery yet. NHS frontline worker.
I appreciate this research not only for a long covered with the other illnesses as mentioned including Dysautonomia.
I ❤️ you for doing this and the diligent people who dedicate their lives and time to the understand of stuff like this.
First wave 25 March 2020 and them recently got hot AGAIN at the start of August.
Superb as usual, will be interested to hear what we in the UK can do to help ourselves.
Great work as ever Gez. Have you had your panel taken?
The viral protein makes a lot of sense to me. Diet changes, pacing, alt. therapies have all helped me function day to day but still feeling off most of the time.
Dr Patterson being on the case is cause for hope. A highly ntelligent and determined figure it would appear.
I have had my panel taken - I’m a confirmed long hauler by Bruce’s index!
@@RUNDMC1 Bet that didn’t come as any great surprise. I had my bloods taken yesterday so should get the results in a few weeks. Hope you are improving Gez? Thanks for being a source of inspiration and hope in these trying times.
@@RUNDMC1 let us know what info and treatments ur going to be put on 👍
@@RUNDMC1 do you think it's worth the money?
@@RUNDMC1 In the UK or did you post your samples to the US?
Yes indeed this goes right up there with the best and most crucially important videos you've released so far Mr. Gez! Hugely important info being presented here. Thanks So Very Much for Your continued work! Also if you don't mind me asking -- What camera do you use to shoot the intro/closing commentary sections you include in these videos? Everything looks great and is very well presented. -- Mike from New Jersey / US
Hi Mike - thanks for the kind words! I use a Panasonic G9, and a simple 35mm prime lens. Sometimes I use a speed booster and a vintage 50mm lens but then I’ve got to set focus manually and that’s a faff for self shooting!
@@RUNDMC1 Thank You Sir!
Thank you Gez as always
Thank you for explaining this clearly. I have long covid since 02/05/2020 (11 months) and finally am getting treatment protocol started up.
What are you taking and doing to improve??
@@ladyvirgo9514 I had covid 4 weeks ago. Luckily I changed my mind about the natural treatment bandwagon and stockpiled Iver. My long covid protocol: horse paste, an aspirin, non-dyed Benadryl. I will add nattokinase and coq10 soon. 3 months then assess.
@@jglee6721 I've not been allowed to get Ivermectin, the physician wouldn't prescribe it. What's coq10?
@@jglee6721 where so you get non dyed benadryl?
@@ladyvirgo9514 Said on the box dye-free Benadryl. Your doctor will let you die before destroying his/her own career prescribing Iver in the USA. Get horse paste through Amazon if you're in the US. Also there are doctors in the US who will prescribe Iver if you go to flccc alliance website. They have a list. coq10 is a supplement.
Really interesting about antigens in the gut. I've thought of myself as having escaped any real GI symptoms through this - but in fact, the initial infection came with a five week long total loss of appetite and difficulty eating much of anything. It had started to clear up before coming rushing back at my first big relapse at the two month mark. This was a first for me - usually my appetite could devour armies, boots and all. This explains it!
I had covid and couldn't eat a thing for two weeks, nausea etc was horrific....then 6 weeks later had what felt like a relapse, like a mini cold and the nausea back and some fatigue
Second time COVID delta all we had were GI diarrhea nausea lack of appetite for a week. Then I got the long COVID symptoms anxiety depression brain fog fatigue, burning eyes, stiff neck tinnitus sleep problems exercise intolerance heat intolerance and GI issues that keep coming back with all the others every week or two in waves.
@@k.scottphillips8933 I'm still getting symptoms every two weeks or so and I had delta in October 2021. Keep getting a mild sore throat,runny nose for about 3 days,then about 12 hours of nausea and fatigue....but I've just had almost 3 weeks that started with a burning in my trachea and sore throat and a mild cold, turned into a bad cough and lots of mucus.....tested negative right through it, bit no nausea thankfully.
@@justmeand62 hope you have gotten better since your original post, but if not I get great results from gargleing, ingesting and snorting mist of colloidal silver when the sore throat begins.
@@sueyoung2115 thankyou for asking...I was having a bad time till 5 weeks ago when my GP said, just try BECONASE ,it's an over the counter nasal spray with a bit of steroid....amaaaaaaaaazing...no symptoms since 💃💃💃💃....hope you are well 🤗
I have a question. Have you tried his protocol? If not than how come, if so than what were the results. Thanks for all the great work your doing! Amazing content
I had a mild/ moderate case of Covid- not hospitalized but felt bad for two full weeks-October 2020. Had elevated temp with GI symptoms, fatigue. After Covid have had inflammatory issues: interstitial cystitis, reactivated thyroiditis that lasted 7 +months, double vision , and Inflamation of artificial hip joint with elevated temp and post elevated temp for < 24 hhours with muscle/ joint pain in legs for 2+ months after returning to aquatic exercises. Hip aspiration was negative for bacteria but blood inflammatory markers were slightly elevated. This makes so much sense to me. I still have muscle aches in my legs. MDs just tell me it will eventually go away that there is nothing that I can take to hasten the recovery .
I was diagnosed with Covid June 28. I did have the nausea-,,gi track problem and cough were my worst symptoms that hung on the longest with the fatigue. I had no sore throat. My cough last through August. Now in october, last weekend I had a bare bit of nausea, but the fatigue is the symptom still hanging on. In spite of that, I do feel healthy. To sum it up, healthily tired. The low battery charge applies to me. I wake with energy but doesn't last.
I would like to be part of the solution by providing information.
Intresting that it seems to be mainly 'first wave victims' of covid who mainly seem to be long haulers.
I caught it about 2 weeks after covid became 'famous' lol. I encourage longhaulers to err on the side of caution when they get exicted that they have finally recovered. After months of remission I have recently had a serious relapse and am as ill as ever.....Im back to sleeping between 15 - 20 hours a day. Best wishes to all, hope you make a good recovery.
Thanks R :)
Second variant victim here. I guess the second wave is not too long ago hence not many people are seen
I caught it March 2020 and then a vaccination brought them all back. I’m terrified because I caught it in early 2020 at peak Alpha that I’ll never be able to get over this. Have you heard of any earlier COVID patients in 2020 making a full recovery.
I just caught it in June 2022, and have long hauler symptoms.
Excellent Video Jezz. You took the cake! Thank you Very much!
It’s a pleasure Agustin!
Great video.. Thanks!
This is very interesting for ME/CFS looks hopeful.
Exactly! My ME symptoms are identical to long Covid and my trigger was a viral infection. I’ve had these very same symptoms for 14 years. Some ME patients I know have been ill for several decades.
Please read the book Medical medium, by Anthony William. Millions are recovering from CFS me, he knows the virus that causes it. God bless.
Just had a bad cold, but while I had it my long covid symtoms disappereared. Unfortunitly they are returning as my cold recovers but I thought it was worth mentioning.
That's interesting. Distracted immune system maybe?
What are your long hauler symptoms if I may ask?
@@lovesdogs8616 Periods of feeling ill, not quite nausea but similar. Heart palpitations when it seems to go fast. At night my heart rate often goes below 50 bpm. G I symptoms, Going more often and looser. A strange feeling just below my left shoulder and a rushing blood feeling on the left of my chest near the heart on occasions. Dizzy spells that seem to be associated with a bad palpitation. When tired, a feeling like the ground isn’t level like being on a ship. Unexplained weight gain and my stomach being bloated on one side more than the other.
Sorry it was a long list. The cold stopped all of the above except the GI symptoms and weight gain
@@rlwings Yes might be something like that. Found this article that might partly explain it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445
@@Lappeta Really sorry, I know how awful it can make you feel. My tips …..lots of fresh air, VIT E, get a bag of candied ginger and have a couple of pieces daily, hot baths with Epsom salts. Cut down on all junk foods sugars the like, green tea or any good herbal tea, lots of water. At night brew hot water, add lemon and honey and about 1/2 tsp baking soda. Maybe you have a bacterial infection, covid can lead to those too. Try a course of antibiotics, will say a prayer for you to get well. Stay strong!
Very helpful. I had very serious Covid within that initial time frame (May 2020). None of the nasal pulmonary symptoms but delirium for eight days, and a headache not unlike Meningitis (had it twice). Unable to eat anything but fruit. Initially devastated with no stamina and a shot balance (disautonomia) No treatment at the time. Gradually improved but recently similar symptoms have returned, especially ataxia and bottomless fatigue and some suggestion of POTS. Managed to get some Ivermectin and took it for twelve days, and had four days of incredible recovery but, again, the symptoms have returned. I am convinced Dr Patterson's hypothesis is accurate, that this is due to persistent antigen expression= sub acute Covid recurring. I am also convinced that the initial Covid was somehow programmed to target whatever was the weakest 'system' in each recipient. In my case brain related, in others different co-morbidities, which accounted for the deaths of the obese, or disabled.
run-dmc-thank you for the great video-i am becoming a fan of Dr. Bruce Patterson
Great, many ME sufferers have been waiting decades for an answer to their post viral illness. I hope when treatments are found, we aren’t left behind.
What is ME if you don't mind?
@@chenanigans You don't wonna know.
@@mihakavcic7237 What do you think about this protocol here for ME? I heard you take a HIV drug called Miraviroc and a STatin. It costs around 3000 altogether cos the HIV drug is expensive/ someone on a nother thread did it and said he is much better.
@@MP-uo6qd Why would you take that? They don't even know what is wrong with you.
@@mihakavcic7237 I havent taken it but someone on another thread did dr Pattensons protocol and he is vmuch better he said. What country are you in?
Thanks Gez, this seems to be getting much closer to the root of the issue and its terrific to hear that there are treatments emerging. Not sure how we go about trying to get Maraviroc and statins prescribed! My GP has given me prescription H1 and H2 blockers, but and HIV treatment is probably a bridge too far!
I expect so, unfortunately!
James, I just got statins from healthexpress.co.uk
He is a quack. he charges 3000 for one bottle of Maraviroc someone said on here/
And thank you gez for what you are doing
Omg I thought I was going crazy! Thank u for the info
I have had long hauler issues. I guess this virus saved the best for last with me. After suffering all of the symptoms and lung pain, I eventually pulled up. Then it happened, it felt like the blood vessels in my brain just broke. Severe headaches, dizzy, stroke like, couldnt even have water touch my head, too painful. It was truly awful and had nothing at all to do with breathing. I thought it was stroke but no, twice my scans showed not to be the case. Virus attacks. What do you do with yourself, just try to get stronger.
Have you been tested for Epstein Barr?
Try IVERMECTIN!
@@infoluva831 had it a longlong time ago, covid awakens dormant virus in your body as well.
Omggg I have the same thing as you. Feels like so much pressure in my brain and dizziness
Fascinating information to one’s like myself whom has no Science degree.
3 years & im still suffering from Covid symptoms ..having doctors tell me theres nothing wrong with me & actually prescribing antidepressants. I am a shell of my former self 😞
Succinct and really VERY helpful. Thank you
I am viewing this video in it's entirety and I have to say that I really like this doctors approach. He is taking the approach of not just one way to look at the Cause and Effects of Covid-19. Again a very good approach and also very helpful.
Is this interview absolutely awesome or what !!! I am pretty much fully recovered, so I have ignored the most recent updates. I would like to add that I had CFS when I was around 30 and then long haul now (when I am 60). I am now certain that they are both the same. I had the nausea symptoms (not cold/flu symptoms), April 2020 onset, exercise related relapses, arterial/cardiac inflammation symptoms. I did have diarrhea, but after that, I really did not have "gut" symptoms. I started feeling better before the vaccine, but after the vaccine, I definitely got better. I am not at full exercise pace yet, but I am getting back to it. The vaccine helped, but I can only guess at the mechanism. My theory, some people (long haulers) have a non-specific immune reaction to Covid, that works non-specifically attacking Covid as it would any "general" virus. The vaccine adds more specificity to the immune reaction and therefore provides that last push that is needed to prevent relapses. I am also certain that the arterial inflammation caused by Niacin (not the chemistry) has a role in "neutralizing" the effect of the monocytes. There is something about niacin that could be effective in all viral situations....next time I get a cold, I plan to try Niacin instead of vitamin C. NO EATING when taking niacin---for some reason the lipemia produced after eating neutralizes the effect of the niacin burn.
Thank you once again 😁👍
Cheers Richard!
Wow someone knows something.. finally. Thank you