People, if any of u were asked to be in KISS you would do it.Don't hate on Eric and Tommy (he seems to take the brunt of the criticism fr some reason)because they have had the chance.Dont blame Gene either.Trust me ,it absolutely is ACE's own fault he is not in the band.Everytime he got a chance and a second and third,he blew it.The guy has issues and is a flake.Maybe he's finally got it together now,but the band is rolling along fine without him and those guys are not gonna take another chance.
OOOOOh guys! Tommy write a new solo=You never hear this solo animore. And this solo is amazing, and Tommy play wery well...I love it. And like it tommy likewise than frehley Today this is KISS I love this KISS This is MY KISS...I saw them only And then I want to see them many times KISS 4life TOMMY ROCKS!!!
I've seen Kiss perform too many times to remember,but Thayer had Aces moves down to the letter. The way he stumbles around and lays back toward the ground is typical Ace.
I was in Highschool when Ace and the original Kiss were huge, and Ace wasn't any different. Tommy's just trying to play like Ace, when in reality, he's probably much better than that. In all bands, personel come and go, and Kiss is no different.You can't possibly think that the original members would all still be together 36 years after the fact? I would've never thought the whole band would still be together this long!
I'm a KISS fan from when I got my first album, YES ALBUM, Destroyer when I was 5 but when you have to replace Peter and Ace TWICE, it's time to hang it up.
I understand why you put Bruce in this discussion, but Tommy had worked with Kiss along time, he learned Ace his guitars part again, he had played with a tribute band called Cold Gin and especially he is friend of Ace... and Bruce if that matters. Gene and Paul wanted/want to keep the classic Kiss look alive. The instigator have the right to its sole right. Remember that.
KISS are coming to town, so eleven months after you responded to my comment in shock, I find out about KISS doing a concert. I don't know how much it costs because they haven't started selling the tickets.
Many of us gladly go see KISS tribute bands perform and we enjoy it. KISS is half a tribute band now, ok I get it. So what? They're not calling them "Ace" and "Peter", Paul and Gene want all four "characters" to live on regardless of who is beneath the paint. If it's a choice between seeing a very well done tribute band version of KISS, or no KISS at all, well I choose the tribute. If you don't, that's ok. But understand your preference isn't the same for everyone in the world, it's cool.
how can anyone not have seen kiss live yet? do yourself a favour next time the are in your country see them even if u buy nosebleed its worth it since 97 when the original 4 reunited ive been to a kiss show i even flew to melbourne to see symphony and then @ the grand prix
Hey, if Paul and Gene keep Tommy in the band, it's not for nothing...they keep him cause he's good, cause he's really good, it's the truth, that you love him or not, he's good.
Ace didn't quit because he didn'twant his role(if he didn't why did he make a solo group and make HIMSELF the lead guitarist...)and he quit kiss because after the farewell tour he thought the band ended forever(due to the interview for it) thats why he quit and know theres a alive 35 which kiss needed a new guitarist so they chose tommy....
then you will never see a kiss show again kiss will live forever and paul has said even he can be replaced maybe then no one will go no gene no paul = no kiss fans
I havent been a KISS fan long enough to say who's better, Ace or Tommy... but I do agree with the fact that the real sucky thing is that Tommy is made to display himself as Ace and not as Tommy. He really should have gotten his own makeup...even if it was only slightly diffrent... all the other replacements had their own makeup... yea it looked weird.. but they were them and not who they were meant to replace. Its not origional lineup but I still want to see my first Kiss concert. Maybe nex yr
they put Tommy in way before 35. Tommy has been lead guitarist for KISS for near 7 years now. 7 years in March to be exact. And they called it the Farewell tour because Stanley and Simmons both knew that KISS would continue, but Frehley wouldn't. Ace has always been that little thorn in KISS' side. Ace was washed up all to hell in 81.' Hell he might have been in the band till 82' but by 79' he was already gone. In my opinion they have a better band mate with Tommy Thayer. He wants to be there.
People for get that Ringo Starr was not the first drummer for the Beatles, Rob Halford was NOT the original lead singer for Priest, Brian Johnson was NOT the original singer for AC/DC, Kevin Cronan was not the original lead singer for REO Speedwagon and on and on. Bands can go on without the original, but I agree, different characters. That would be like replacing Angus Young with another guy who dresses the same..it would be dumb.
I've said several times that I don't really believe in picking favorites in bands, but I can't help but favor Ace. However, I have to say that Tommy Thayer is better than nothing, and Ace Frehley is better off without KISS, where he won't be spending his life arguing backstage, and having a fake smile onstage. The reason that Ace left was because they were having too many problems with each other. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this because I haven't seen KISS live yet.
ooh come on people, face it, ace can't be in KISS anymore because not even him, or paul or gene want it, tommy will never ever replace THE ace frehley, just let him play the fucking guitar
I like KISS in all of its different line ups. My only problem is with Tommy and Eric wearing Ace and Peters makeup. Thats IT. Take off the makeup and outfits,record a NEW album and do a tour. There is still money to be made. Of course not NEARLY as much as "Makeup KISS" and THAT is the bottom line as far as Gene is concerned. KISS is easy now. No having to work at it,no headaches from Ace and Peter,no having to present new product. Real simple.
Tommy is the new Spaceman. The Ace of the 70s was far better than Tommy, but now Ace can't be in Kiss, and all the Kiss fans we've got to respect Tommy.
face the facts. tommy does aces licks more true to the albums that ACE did! he is a better musician. plain and simple. and Ace is a Guitar God to me! but that doesnt mean that im blind to whats real. and thats that tommy IS the best man for the job. no way around it. ive been a KISS fan for 20 years. and i have no disrespect for the band for having tommy and eric do what needed to be done. to carry on the KISS machine!
Thats not true I have watched allot of KISS footage and paul stanley himself even said in an interview when ACE first left the band that ACE stopped maturing as a player and never moved on. Just go watch reunion tour footage from 97 theres allot of sour notes being played. Then watch the Udo music festival stuff flawless guitar from Thayer. With that said Ace has attitude and soul and theres allot to be said for that.
But the difference is that Thayer was HIRED to "BE" the Space Ace...that just happened to be played by Ace Frehley previously. Kiss are characters, and that's the bottom line.
No, you have lack of respect, because you don't have sympathy for those who like this. Listen to the crowd and you will hear that this is accepted. It's also up to the fans to decide if this is right or wrong.
Neither Black Diamond nor Shock Me belong to a single person they are Kiss songs, right now Eric and Tommy are parts of Kiss so why is there such a big argument? Tommy joined the line-up in 2002 just get over that Ace isn't in the band anymore, or maybe "right now" is a better way of putting it.
ya i was a little hard on them i still love kiss just dont get the make up on tommy and eric ... Eric is one of my fav drummers and loved him on revenge tommy is grate to!!! they just need to make them who they are not try and clone them just my thoughts//
You can blame Ace. If HE wasn't so greedy, he would still own the rights to his character. But in the end,I guess a few extra bucks meant more to him than his legacy. Oh well, at least he was able to suit up again.....to hawk dunkin Donuts. sigh.
There was magic in 2000?? You mean the part where Ace looked like he'd rather be anywhere but on stage? Or the part where pete could hardly lift his arms to hit the drums..... Look, I love KISS and all, and the original lineup WAS amazing between '73 and '77. The 96 reunion was also very cool, probably more for the nostalgia trip than the sound of the music. But Ace doesn't want to be in KISS, Pete can't hack it, so now we have a more musically capable band. Tommy is in Ace's outfit...eh.
If Ace and Pete only got 30 percent, it's their fault. Nobody put a gun to their heads to sign a contract. They could've easily held out for more. They were all equal partners as far as pay when they started. But Pete let his skills deteriorate way back then, and Ace was fucking off, even doing no-shows during the Destroyer recording sessions. THEY left the band. THEY sold their character rights. THEY let Gene and PAUL get control. All four of them are greedy. G & P are just smarter.
It's not who's better at playing the guitar... It's all about the band that creates the music. Ace Frehley belongs in KISS. There simply is no substitute for the 'real thing'. Tommy can't just put on Ace's costume and be his own man... he's an Ace 'copy' and that's all he'll ever be so long as he is in KISS.
I don't understand...why are long time fans upset over these so-called "imposters". Yet, they let the bigger imposters from the '70's slide. At least Paul introduces Tommy as such. In the 70's we had imposters such as Anton Fig play on KISS albums, even tho the credits stated it was Peter Criss. IMO, THAT is a bigger sin. We now have an informed choice. We know who's in the band, and can choose whether or not we want to pay for it. We didn't knbow back then.....
Doh! Hey Rokket, sounds like I'm attacking you here! NO! I'm in total agreement with you! A voice of reason. Sorry, no offence meant! Might as well add I don't care if KISS play Shock Me or any other song Ace wrote. It's the fact Paul & Gene are pretending that Ace & Peter are still in the band that's annoying. It's not the fans who need to move on it's Paul & Gene. The Reunion was an awesome event. Now it's a parody. :(
You've got your opinion, I've got mine. You say that people are idiots because they don't share yours. You've started making lame jokes by saying go get a KISScoffin for yourself, after I told you a friend of mine was burried in one. Then you were complaining that I started to make lame jokes about you, while you've started that childish conversation. Then you told me that my English wasn't very good, while I told you that my English must be a lot better as your Dutch. Talking about off topic
It Was A Farewell To Ace Not Kiss The Reason Maybe Is Bruce Didn't Wanna Put On Ace Make-up I've Heard Gene And Paul Wanted Ace But Ace Said No So Theyu Said Ok Tommy Can Sing Shock Me And It Has Every One Is Shocked
true long kiss fans dont agree with this i know i dont..i think kiss legacy should be what most remember best which is ace peter gene paul period. i know they wanna play still but do it with eric and bruce with no makeup and leave this special moment in makeup which was founded by the original 4 alone and quit making a once good thing into a spectacle..for true kiss fans the real kiss army needs to wage a war and end this raging battle once & forall..amen god bless ace gene paul peter
I've accepted that KISS now is semi retired. No new albums, and tours are sporadic. If they won't do something totally new, at least bring back stuff we haven't seen in a long time. Play "Mr Speed" and "IT's My Life". Bring back the Leon the Sphinx stage, or the "Take It Off" girls. Play the Star Spangled Banner again. Fuck, wipe off the greasepaint and put on the Asylum clothes again.....on second thought. But, makeup or not, time for a new script. My two cents.
look everyone i and everyone enjoy your comments but i`m a little offended with all the swearing sure you are annoyed but please stop using real bad language or i'll just have to delete your comments and ban you from posting on my videos, when i put them on i didn't think it get a huge reply its great i put it on so people could enjoy a little bit of a kiss concert that not everyone could attend
I wish so bad that Ace would re-join KISS :(. He doesn't seem interested though. If only Gene would have let Ace and Peter be a part of the bands decision making..........what coulda been
I think they are trying to get people to that Tommy is just as good. But Shock Me is Ace's song..... you dont see ace doin stuff from black and blue (tommy's first band) doya?!?!?!? LONG LIVE THE SPACEACE
If Tommy is a scab then so are/were Bruce, Vinnie, and Mark. You can't have it both ways. Ace sold his make up G&P bought it. ANYONE can wear it and wear it legally as a member of Kiss. You can only blame Ace for that. If he hadn't sold the rights (and NO ONE) forced him to, then they would have had to do what they did with Vinnie and make a new design. FACT, Blame Ace. He left twice and was begged to stay and was warned Tommy would wear it. ACE didn't care. BLAME ACE or shut the hell up.
dude. seriously? your commenting on KISS with such lack of knowledge? Peter Criss was the original drummer. Eric Carr "the fox" replaced him. the reason they no longer give new members new identities is apparent. do some research youll find the reason in many interviews with Gene and Paul. if the fans cant have ace and peter. they still want to SEE the original KISS. visually.
You guys know its only a rock band, right?? If Garth Brooks, Anthrax,Poison, and countless others can cover KISS tunes, why can't 2008 KISS cover KISS tunes? Eric Carr already sang it, and the world didn't end. Besides, Anton Fig probably sang the original anyway.............
you're right, the thing is that those 20 years were a fucking disaster musically speaking...other than a few good songs, after Ace and Peter were gone, the balance was lost...it is pretty clear that musically the band got seriously hurt after the original line up broke up, so have some respect for the musicians that like it or not, made this band the big rock n roll monster that once was...without Ace and Peter you wouldnt be enjoying this fucking joke of a band that Kiss has turned into.
I'm a little surprised they play a tune that is so strongly associated with Ace Frehley. It's a little like doing New York Groove. But oh well, Tommy's good.
I don't understand people who said that Tommy is bitch and something like this... This is not true! Tommy isn't better than Ace that true! but He is in Kiss family and we should respect him and what he do, becouse he is good, too. Kiss didn't die in 1981 They still alive without Ace they are!! Allways, in the 70's, 80's 90's Kiss were very good and They'll be all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not Tommy's and Eric's decide. And they won't release an album that's clarified by Gene. People like you recently woke up and began to criticize them because Kiss have finally taking their opportunity to make a world tour. You don't have to listen to them at all!
This IS insulting to Ace & Peter + the fans. And before anyone asks "YES" I am a fan since April '76. I remember the day. This is fake. To anyone who says Tommy is now the Spaceman, just what has he done to justify where he is? Has he written any of the songs, or solos, designed the makeup or the logo? Remember when Gene & Paul said in inters the orig 4 was the magic of KISS? Well thanks for ruining the memory. U should hav ended with respect for the fans & the reunion with the Farewell Tour.
to be honest he was good but rumour is since ace didn't wanna come back gene and paul said screw u and let tommy play shock me lots of upset fans 1st time he has sung not even in his other bands so prettyu sure 1st time ace sings better in my opinion
those people that say Tommy plays better than Ace, or clearer or more precise, are full of shit. Just hearing this clip, he can't even hold his pick properly or hit the strings without making a bunch of noise.
so what if gene and paul got 70% ace and peter wernt offical members of the band at those times, not gene and pauls fault ace and peter arent the big sucesses they thought they would be. peter said kiss was slowing him down so he quit, but peter was slowing down kiss so they voted him out (ace included) ace isnt 2 bad i seen him in vancouver a few months ago and he has a gotee now, so that makes him automaticaly cool lol.. now im going on about nothing well bye
That is really taking the piss. I don't care what anyone else says about Tommy being a better guitar player, how the band is tighter or who owns the makeup. THAT IS PROOF THAT TOMMY IS A CLONE AND NOTHING MORE...HE JUST PLAYED ACE'S GUITAR SOLO. Not in a song but his actual guitar solo. He must be really proud of himself. Integrity - zero. I thought he'd be allowed to play his own solo. Embarassing. Might as well have a cardboard cutout of Ace on stage and play his parts on a backing tape. Sad.
I love kiss but sadly the last couple of years it has become so commercial why didnt they did like vinnie vincent or eric carr they have to have their own makeup the hawk would go nicel with eric singer
KISS has always meant a lot to me. I've bought every album since Destroyer on the day of release. well, except for the countless greatest hits releases. Some eras for me were great (73-77, COTN, Revenge/Unplugged era...) Some were horrible (78-81, Crazy Nights) and some were somewhere in between, like now. IMO, this lineup is musically strong, they sound fantastic. I could care less about the whole makeup (non)issue. But I'm getting bored of the same ole same ole.
i was there at that KISS concert and it sucked that tommy only did a 1 minute solo why couldnt he do the 7 minute solo he did in italy. they should have ace frehley back be cause he did really long solos unlike tommy
Tommy is the awesome Spaceace! Go Tommy!
JUST TWO WORDS --> TOMMY ROCKS!!!
tommy was born to play kiss music, period.
People, if any of u were asked to be in KISS you would do it.Don't hate on Eric and Tommy (he seems to take the brunt of the criticism fr some reason)because they have had the chance.Dont blame Gene either.Trust me ,it absolutely is ACE's own fault he is not in the band.Everytime he got a chance and a second and third,he blew it.The guy has issues and is a flake.Maybe he's finally got it together now,but the band is rolling along fine without him and those guys are not gonna take another chance.
I was there..along with 50 thousand others, but great to see it again!!! my neck is still killing me from looking up all last night!
Tommy Thayer rocks! This solo is classic!
Well said...that's precisely the point!!
give this man his own solo, and he will amaze us.
OOOOOh guys!
Tommy write a new solo=You never hear this solo animore.
And this solo is amazing, and Tommy play wery well...I love it.
And like it tommy likewise than frehley
Today this is KISS
I love this KISS
This is MY KISS...I saw them only
And then I want to see them many times
KISS 4life
TOMMY ROCKS!!!
I've seen Kiss perform too many times to remember,but Thayer had Aces moves down to the letter. The way he stumbles around and lays back toward the ground is typical Ace.
I was in Highschool when Ace and the original Kiss were huge, and Ace wasn't any different. Tommy's just trying to play like Ace, when in reality, he's probably much better than that. In all bands, personel come and go, and Kiss is no different.You can't possibly think that the original members would all still be together 36 years after the fact? I would've never thought the whole band would still be together this long!
I Left Adelaide @ 7 I Was There From midday so 7 Hrs Plus Concert Then Went To CBD Got To Hotel @ 12am Up @ 4am To Catch Plane Back To Adelaide @ 6
I'm a KISS fan from when I got my first album, YES ALBUM, Destroyer when I was 5 but when you have to replace Peter and Ace TWICE, it's time to hang it up.
Maybe so, but it's still a better rock and roll show than anything else out there these days.
Great!
I understand why you put Bruce in this discussion, but Tommy had worked with Kiss along time, he learned Ace his guitars part again, he had played with a tribute band called Cold Gin and especially he is friend of Ace... and Bruce if that matters. Gene and Paul wanted/want to keep the classic Kiss look alive.
The instigator have the right to its sole right. Remember that.
Ace Frehley: "Tommy used to be in a KISS tribute band: and still is"
KISS are coming to town, so eleven months after you responded to my comment in shock, I find out about KISS doing a concert. I don't know how much it costs because they haven't started selling the tickets.
Many of us gladly go see KISS tribute bands perform and we enjoy it. KISS is half a tribute band now, ok I get it. So what? They're not calling them "Ace" and "Peter", Paul and Gene want all four "characters" to live on regardless of who is beneath the paint. If it's a choice between seeing a very well done tribute band version of KISS, or no KISS at all, well I choose the tribute. If you don't, that's ok. But understand your preference isn't the same for everyone in the world, it's cool.
yeah great song
how can anyone not have seen kiss live yet? do yourself a favour next time the are in your country see them even if u buy nosebleed its worth it since 97 when the original 4 reunited ive been to a kiss show i even flew to melbourne to see symphony and then @ the grand prix
It's just a headline. Don't take it too seriously. Riff in this case sounds more like a verb than a noun.
i prefer 70's ace, but you gotta give it to him: tommy thayer's a good guitarist & does a good "ace frehley"
Hey, if Paul and Gene keep Tommy in the band, it's not for nothing...they keep him cause he's good, cause he's really good, it's the truth, that you love him or not, he's good.
I agree!
but he is makin more money than you ever will! ace is a legend!!!!
Ace didn't quit because he didn'twant his role(if he didn't why did he make a solo group and make HIMSELF the lead guitarist...)and he quit kiss because after the farewell tour he thought the band ended forever(due to the interview for it) thats why he quit and know theres a alive 35 which kiss needed a new guitarist so they chose tommy....
then you will never see a kiss show again kiss will live forever and paul has said even he can be replaced maybe then no one will go no gene no paul = no kiss fans
I havent been a KISS fan long enough to say who's better, Ace or Tommy... but I do agree with the fact that the real sucky thing is that Tommy is made to display himself as Ace and not as Tommy. He really should have gotten his own makeup...even if it was only slightly diffrent... all the other replacements had their own makeup... yea it looked weird.. but they were them and not who they were meant to replace.
Its not origional lineup but I still want to see my first Kiss concert. Maybe nex yr
they put Tommy in way before 35. Tommy has been lead guitarist for KISS for near 7 years now. 7 years in March to be exact. And they called it the Farewell tour because Stanley and Simmons both knew that KISS would continue, but Frehley wouldn't. Ace has always been that little thorn in KISS' side. Ace was washed up all to hell in 81.' Hell he might have been in the band till 82' but by 79' he was already gone. In my opinion they have a better band mate with Tommy Thayer. He wants to be there.
People for get that Ringo Starr was not the first drummer for the Beatles, Rob Halford was NOT the original lead singer for Priest, Brian Johnson was NOT the original singer for AC/DC, Kevin Cronan was not the original lead singer for REO Speedwagon and on and on. Bands can go on without the original, but I agree, different characters. That would be like replacing Angus Young with another guy who dresses the same..it would be dumb.
they should have gaven tommy, and eric singer their own make-up then having them wear the catman, and space ace make-up
Good at playing Ace's stuff. Maybe Kiss will soon play Black 'N Blue's stuff!
I've said several times that I don't really believe in picking favorites in bands, but I can't help but favor Ace. However, I have to say that Tommy Thayer is better than nothing, and Ace Frehley is better off without KISS, where he won't be spending his life arguing backstage, and having a fake smile onstage. The reason that Ace left was because they were having too many problems with each other. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this because I haven't seen KISS live yet.
Scorned and Daredevil7....
The frustrated and the comedian!!!!!!!
I think i'm over it
ooh come on people, face it, ace can't be in KISS anymore because not even him, or paul or gene want it, tommy will never ever replace THE ace frehley, just let him play the fucking guitar
totally correct coldgin they wear the the original makeup so the non diehard kiss fans still think its the same band
I like KISS in all of its different line ups. My only problem is with Tommy and Eric wearing Ace and Peters makeup. Thats IT. Take off the makeup and outfits,record a NEW album and do a tour. There is still money to be made. Of course not NEARLY as much as "Makeup KISS" and THAT is the bottom line as far as Gene is concerned. KISS is easy now. No having to work at it,no headaches from Ace and Peter,no having to present new product. Real simple.
@ChrisG1216 Agreed, It's really sad that KISS has come to this.
Tommy is the new Spaceman.
The Ace of the 70s was far better than Tommy, but now Ace can't be in Kiss, and all the Kiss fans we've got to respect Tommy.
face the facts. tommy does aces licks more true to the albums that ACE did! he is a better musician. plain and simple. and Ace is a Guitar God to me! but that doesnt mean that im blind to whats real. and thats that tommy IS the best man for the job. no way around it. ive been a KISS fan for 20 years. and i have no disrespect for the band for having tommy and eric do what needed to be done. to carry on the KISS machine!
@aattinger yeah... you are right tommy wont be in kiss as long as ace... he would be longer!!!!!!!! but i havent got anything against ace
I'm agree
How many hours before the show did you stand in queue ?
You are right! Actually... Bruce should be there...
I just hope he doesn't come up with a guitar full of lights doing NY Groove!!!
Thats not true I have watched allot of KISS footage and paul stanley himself even said in an interview when ACE first left the band that ACE stopped maturing as a player and never moved on. Just go watch reunion tour footage from 97 theres allot of sour notes being played. Then watch the Udo music festival stuff flawless guitar from Thayer. With that said Ace has attitude and soul and theres allot to be said for that.
But the difference is that Thayer was HIRED to "BE" the Space Ace...that just happened to be played by Ace Frehley previously. Kiss are characters, and that's the bottom line.
Why argue over Ace & Tommy...Just give Gene your money like he asks you...NOW!
No, you have lack of respect, because you don't have sympathy for those who like this.
Listen to the crowd and you will hear that this is accepted. It's also up to the fans to decide if this is right or wrong.
Neither Black Diamond nor Shock Me belong to a single person they are Kiss songs, right now Eric and Tommy are parts of Kiss so why is there such a big argument? Tommy joined the line-up in 2002 just get over that Ace isn't in the band anymore, or maybe "right now" is a better way of putting it.
Yeah now go watch Ace on his rocket ride tour tell me what you think....
ya i was a little hard on them i still love kiss just dont get the make up on tommy and eric ... Eric is one of my fav drummers and loved him on revenge tommy is grate to!!! they just need to make them who they are not try and clone them just my thoughts//
You can blame Ace. If HE wasn't so greedy, he would still own the rights to his character. But in the end,I guess a few extra bucks meant more to him than his legacy. Oh well, at least he was able to suit up again.....to hawk dunkin Donuts. sigh.
There was magic in 2000?? You mean the part where Ace looked like he'd rather be anywhere but on stage? Or the part where pete could hardly lift his arms to hit the drums.....
Look, I love KISS and all, and the original lineup WAS amazing between '73 and '77.
The 96 reunion was also very cool, probably more for the nostalgia trip than the sound of the music.
But Ace doesn't want to be in KISS, Pete can't hack it, so now we have a more musically capable band.
Tommy is in Ace's outfit...eh.
If Ace and Pete only got 30 percent, it's their fault. Nobody put a gun to their heads to sign a contract. They could've easily held out for more.
They were all equal partners as far as pay when they started. But Pete let his skills deteriorate way back then, and Ace was fucking off, even doing no-shows during the Destroyer recording sessions.
THEY left the band. THEY sold their character rights. THEY let Gene and PAUL get control. All four of them are greedy. G & P are just smarter.
I Don't mind Tommy wearing Ace's Make up... But singing Shock Me and same solo??? Come On! Tommy can come up with a solo of his own!!!!
It's not who's better at playing the guitar... It's all about the band that creates the music. Ace Frehley belongs in KISS. There simply is no substitute for the 'real thing'. Tommy can't just put on Ace's costume and be his own man... he's an Ace 'copy' and that's all he'll ever be so long as he is in KISS.
I don't understand...why are long time fans upset over these so-called "imposters". Yet, they let the bigger imposters from the '70's slide.
At least Paul introduces Tommy as such. In the 70's we had imposters such as Anton Fig play on KISS albums, even tho the credits stated it was Peter Criss. IMO, THAT is a bigger sin.
We now have an informed choice. We know who's in the band, and can choose whether or not we want to pay for it. We didn't knbow back then.....
@aattinger
It's too bad Ace doesn't care about the fans enough to be in Kiss!
He is alot better than i thought,although he is no Ace.
Doh! Hey Rokket, sounds like I'm attacking you here! NO! I'm in total agreement with you! A voice of reason. Sorry, no offence meant! Might as well add I don't care if KISS play Shock Me or any other song Ace wrote. It's the fact Paul & Gene are pretending that Ace & Peter are still in the band that's annoying. It's not the fans who need to move on it's Paul & Gene. The Reunion was an awesome event. Now it's a parody. :(
We already hate Gene and Paul, Tommy does get a say, and it was his choice to wear Ace’s makeup.
hahahaha Scorned100 is taking al this shit way up to serious...
Think of your heart DORK!!!!!!
He tried hard to do Ace's solo. I just want to know who sang shock me?
this truly has become a kiddie show with all of these kiddie comments, i'm done and out
You've got your opinion, I've got mine. You say that people are idiots because they don't share yours. You've started making lame jokes by saying go get a KISScoffin for yourself, after I told you a friend of mine was burried in one. Then you were complaining that I started to make lame jokes about you, while you've started that childish conversation. Then you told me that my English wasn't very good, while I told you that my English must be a lot better as your Dutch.
Talking about off topic
It Was A Farewell To Ace Not Kiss The Reason Maybe Is Bruce Didn't Wanna Put On Ace Make-up I've Heard Gene And Paul Wanted Ace But Ace Said No So Theyu Said Ok Tommy Can Sing Shock Me And It Has Every One Is Shocked
true long kiss fans dont agree with this i know i dont..i think kiss legacy should be what most remember best which is ace peter gene paul period. i know they wanna play still but do it with eric and bruce with no makeup and leave this special moment in makeup which was founded by the original 4 alone and quit making a once good thing into a spectacle..for true kiss fans the real kiss army needs to wage a war and end this raging battle once & forall..amen god bless ace gene paul peter
I've accepted that KISS now is semi retired. No new albums, and tours are sporadic. If they won't do something totally new, at least bring back stuff we haven't seen in a long time. Play "Mr Speed" and "IT's My Life". Bring back the Leon the Sphinx stage, or the "Take It Off" girls. Play the Star Spangled Banner again. Fuck, wipe off the greasepaint and put on the Asylum clothes again.....on second thought.
But, makeup or not, time for a new script. My two cents.
oh yes eric singer is the best
look everyone i and everyone enjoy your comments but i`m a little offended with all the swearing sure you are annoyed but please stop using real bad language or i'll just have to delete your comments and ban you from posting on my videos, when i put them on i didn't think it get a huge reply its great i put it on so people could enjoy a little bit of a kiss concert that not everyone could attend
I wish so bad that Ace would re-join KISS :(. He doesn't seem interested though. If only Gene would have let Ace and Peter be a part of the bands decision making..........what coulda been
I think they are trying to get people to that Tommy is just as good. But Shock Me is Ace's song..... you dont see ace doin stuff from black and blue (tommy's first band) doya?!?!?!?
LONG LIVE THE SPACEACE
If Tommy is a scab then so are/were Bruce, Vinnie, and Mark. You can't have it both ways. Ace sold his make up G&P bought it. ANYONE can wear it and wear it legally as a member of Kiss. You can only blame Ace for that. If he hadn't sold the rights (and NO ONE) forced him to, then they would have had to do what they did with Vinnie and make a new design. FACT, Blame Ace. He left twice and was begged to stay and was warned Tommy would wear it. ACE didn't care. BLAME ACE or shut the hell up.
@rod191963,
MAYBE IN YOUR FANTASY!
@johnnyw12 tommy sung the song
dude. seriously? your commenting on KISS with such lack of knowledge? Peter Criss was the original drummer. Eric Carr "the fox" replaced him. the reason they no longer give new members new identities is apparent. do some research youll find the reason in many interviews with Gene and Paul. if the fans cant have ace and peter. they still want to SEE the original KISS. visually.
You guys know its only a rock band, right?? If Garth Brooks, Anthrax,Poison, and countless others can cover KISS tunes, why can't 2008 KISS cover KISS tunes?
Eric Carr already sang it, and the world didn't end.
Besides, Anton Fig probably sang the original anyway.............
you're right, the thing is that those 20 years were a fucking disaster musically speaking...other than a few good songs, after Ace and Peter were gone, the balance was lost...it is pretty clear that musically the band got seriously hurt after the original line up broke up, so have some respect for the musicians that like it or not, made this band the big rock n roll monster that once was...without Ace and Peter you wouldnt be enjoying this fucking joke of a band that Kiss has turned into.
I'm a little surprised they play a tune that is so strongly associated with Ace Frehley. It's a little like doing New York Groove. But oh well, Tommy's good.
but if ace or peter don't WANT to return then we can't really do anything besides accept it.I rather have KISS rocking again,then being retired.
the first one in the history of kiss was peter criss ?
It's not Ace's costume and make-up. He doesn't own it.
No one can take Ace's place and I think its in bad taste for kiss to have Tommy perform that song. It belongs to Ace.
I don't understand people who said that Tommy is bitch and something like this... This is not true! Tommy isn't better than Ace that true! but He is in Kiss family and we should respect him and what he do, becouse he is good, too. Kiss didn't die in 1981 They still alive without Ace they are!! Allways, in the 70's, 80's 90's Kiss were very good and They'll be all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not Tommy's and Eric's decide. And they won't release an album that's clarified by Gene. People like you recently woke up and began to criticize them because Kiss have finally taking their opportunity to make a world tour. You don't have to listen to them at all!
@bongnbud How nice.
This IS insulting to Ace & Peter + the fans. And before anyone asks "YES" I am a fan since April '76. I remember the day. This is fake. To anyone who says Tommy is now the Spaceman, just what has he done to justify where he is? Has he written any of the songs, or solos, designed the makeup or the logo? Remember when Gene & Paul said in inters the orig 4 was the magic of KISS? Well thanks for ruining the memory. U should hav ended with respect for the fans & the reunion with the Farewell Tour.
to be honest he was good but rumour is since ace didn't wanna come back gene and paul said screw u and let tommy play shock me lots of upset fans 1st time he has sung not even in his other bands so prettyu sure 1st time ace sings better in my opinion
Real KISS fans know KISS died musically in 1979...sorry kids...it's sad but true.
for the not so kiss fan they think its original 4 i spoke to people who not big fans but know kiss and all they knew was space cat demon and star
those people that say Tommy plays better than Ace, or clearer or more precise, are full of shit. Just hearing this clip, he can't even hold his pick properly or hit the strings without making a bunch of noise.
I don't mind,just move on,get over it,and live.Though I do wish the guitar had smoke :'(
I wish they had the original lineup but what can you do?
so what if gene and paul got 70%
ace and peter wernt offical members of the band at those times, not gene and pauls fault ace and peter arent the big sucesses they thought they would be. peter said kiss was slowing him down so he quit, but peter was slowing down kiss so they voted him out (ace included) ace isnt 2 bad i seen him in vancouver a few months ago and he has a gotee now, so that makes him automaticaly cool lol.. now im going on about nothing
well bye
Thayer just looks wierd in Ace's make-up
That is really taking the piss. I don't care what anyone else says about Tommy being a better guitar player, how the band is tighter or who owns the makeup. THAT IS PROOF THAT TOMMY IS A CLONE AND NOTHING MORE...HE JUST PLAYED ACE'S GUITAR SOLO. Not in a song but his actual guitar solo. He must be really proud of himself. Integrity - zero. I thought he'd be allowed to play his own solo. Embarassing. Might as well have a cardboard cutout of Ace on stage and play his parts on a backing tape. Sad.
I love kiss but sadly the last couple of years it has become so commercial why didnt they did like vinnie vincent or eric carr they have to have their own makeup the hawk would go nicel with eric singer
KISS has always meant a lot to me. I've bought every album since Destroyer on the day of release. well, except for the countless greatest hits releases. Some eras for me were great (73-77, COTN, Revenge/Unplugged era...) Some were horrible (78-81, Crazy Nights) and some were somewhere in between, like now.
IMO, this lineup is musically strong, they sound fantastic. I could care less about the whole makeup (non)issue. But I'm getting bored of the same ole same ole.
i was there at that KISS concert and it sucked that tommy only did a 1 minute solo why couldnt he do the 7 minute solo he did in italy. they should have ace frehley back be cause he did really long solos unlike tommy