Great video but some slight inaccuracies. 458501 - 458530 were always a class 458 the one you pictured saying was a 460 in the process of being converted was in fact an original 458/0. They were 4 coaches in length and didn’t have the fixed gangways you see on the 458/5 and the 458/0 was also geared for 100mph operation originally. There were just 8 Class 460s. As part of the 458 project, 6 of these would be reduced to 5 car trains and have their cab ends remodelled. The remaining carriages removed from these 6 units plus the 2 complete units would be used to insert one extra carriage into the 458s. As part of the work the 458s would have a fixed gangway added to the cab end. As such the original 458s became 458501 - 458530 and each had one extra carriage. Whilst 458531 - 458536 were the converted 460s. The ex 460s and indeed the inserted carriages on the old 458s which came from 460s are easily identifiable as they have different windows and a different roof. Next time you see 458501 - 458030 look out for the one carriage that has the different windows - that’s the but that was inserted from the 460. Equally you’ll see that 458531 - 536 have different windows to the rest of the class because in their entirety they were 460s. It’s not over for the 458 though - as you are most likely aware they are being converted again for use on the mainline to Bournemouth and Portsmouth. This will see the 458s go back to 4 coaches (I assume they will lose the coach gained from the 460), they will be re-geared for 100mph operations and receive a refit inside and out. The indication is that only 26 or 28 will go through this work - which means 8 or 10 units could be redundant. A fleet of that size will likely struggle to find a new home if that’s the case - so there’s a chance the original 460s could be withdrawn and scrapped unless SWR modify plans to redo all 36 units. An alternative is to create longer trains like the 460s were from the remaining fleet which will require substantial work but could hypothetically create 8 - 10 long trains (say 10 car units) the issue will be that they’ll need to add motors in order to get half decent power and acceleration - not an impossibility but it would need a big commitment from a TOC for the type. I can’t see that happening seeing as the units are over 20 years old. In my view the best option would be to convert all 36 for mainline use and have a little extra capacity seeing as the whole idea of shortening them is to allow 3 to run in multiple to create 12 car trains - so keeping the 8 - 10 extra units could be helpful as that gives them more fleet flexibility. Anyway hope this helps 🙂
1:38 that is Platform 5 at Reading, not Clapham Junction. Platforms 4-6 inclusive have a 3rd rail so SWR can use and only use Platforms 4-6 inclusive at Reading. However, there is a Sunday only service between Reading and Salisbury via Basingstoke that uses Platform 1 at Reading
Actually the 458/5 units can only go 75mph... the path is 100mph to allow 450s and 707 to run on that timetable. They 458s are being converted back to 4 car use and 100mph again for the SWML
I used to never like 458s but now i do, i think it doesn't look bad, the 458/0 front is fine, but the 458/5 looks a bit better, the train has a good seat, lets hope the same for the 701
@@justrains4657 the 458s are also used on Guildford to Alton services when there is engineering works either in the Woking area, or between Woking and Clapham Junction. Along with ECS moves between Farnham CSD and Reading via Ascot.
SWR are scrapping the 458s. The Class 701 will replace the Class 455, 456, 458 and 707. The 455s and 456s are too old so they will be scrapped. The Class 458 will also be scrapped as no operator wants them. The Class 707 will move to SouthEastern and operate SouthEastern services
Do u know when exactly, or approximately, will they be scrapped, because I tried looking for detail so I can review the two other trains, class 455 and 456
@@justrains4657 The first 2 Class 707s have left SWR and moved to SouthEastern. The 455s and 456s will probably be last to go around late 2021 - early 2022
Great video but some slight inaccuracies. 458501 - 458530 were always a class 458 the one you pictured saying was a 460 in the process of being converted was in fact an original 458/0. They were 4 coaches in length and didn’t have the fixed gangways you see on the 458/5 and the 458/0 was also geared for 100mph operation originally.
There were just 8 Class 460s. As part of the 458 project, 6 of these would be reduced to 5 car trains and have their cab ends remodelled. The remaining carriages removed from these 6 units plus the 2 complete units would be used to insert one extra carriage into the 458s. As part of the work the 458s would have a fixed gangway added to the cab end.
As such the original 458s became 458501 - 458530 and each had one extra carriage. Whilst 458531 - 458536 were the converted 460s.
The ex 460s and indeed the inserted carriages on the old 458s which came from 460s are easily identifiable as they have different windows and a different roof. Next time you see 458501 - 458030 look out for the one carriage that has the different windows - that’s the but that was inserted from the 460. Equally you’ll see that 458531 - 536 have different windows to the rest of the class because in their entirety they were 460s.
It’s not over for the 458 though - as you are most likely aware they are being converted again for use on the mainline to Bournemouth and Portsmouth. This will see the 458s go back to 4 coaches (I assume they will lose the coach gained from the 460), they will be re-geared for 100mph operations and receive a refit inside and out. The indication is that only 26 or 28 will go through this work - which means 8 or 10 units could be redundant. A fleet of that size will likely struggle to find a new home if that’s the case - so there’s a chance the original 460s could be withdrawn and scrapped unless SWR modify plans to redo all 36 units. An alternative is to create longer trains like the 460s were from the remaining fleet which will require substantial work but could hypothetically create 8 - 10 long trains (say 10 car units) the issue will be that they’ll need to add motors in order to get half decent power and acceleration - not an impossibility but it would need a big commitment from a TOC for the type. I can’t see that happening seeing as the units are over 20 years old. In my view the best option would be to convert all 36 for mainline use and have a little extra capacity seeing as the whole idea of shortening them is to allow 3 to run in multiple to create 12 car trains - so keeping the 8 - 10 extra units could be helpful as that gives them more fleet flexibility.
Anyway hope this helps 🙂
The 460s live on in the form of 458530-536
If you ride any of those 6 458s, you may be on a 460, and not notice that
Nice :D My favourite trains so happy SWR are keeping them.
458's my favourite train too 😁
In the declassified first class (3 rows of blue seats at each end of every 5 carriages) there is 1 power socket per 2 seats
Nice detail! Enjoyable watch - have subbed. All the best to you and your channel for 2021! 👊
Aw thanks 😊
These trains will be repainted and go one the Portsmouth line, they will be 4 cars instead of 5, and put back to 100MPH
Great video
1:38 that is Platform 5 at Reading, not Clapham Junction. Platforms 4-6 inclusive have a 3rd rail so SWR can use and only use Platforms 4-6 inclusive at Reading. However, there is a Sunday only service between Reading and Salisbury via Basingstoke that uses Platform 1 at Reading
In first class there are power sockets. You can sit in first class now as its no longer in use on these trains
1.38 that is a Class 458/0 at Reading ready to work a service to London Waterloo
The Class 458 can go up to and are pathed at 100mph. The Class 455s and Class 456s can go up to 75mph
I mean when it's in service it goes up to 75 mph
Actually the 458/5 units can only go 75mph... the path is 100mph to allow 450s and 707 to run on that timetable. They 458s are being converted back to 4 car use and 100mph again for the SWML
@@Jackmc2007 yeah they are, Im told they're being refurbed too
@@justrains4657 yes with a new livery. Most of the materials that were used on the 442 refurbishment will be used on the 458s
I used to never like 458s but now i do, i think it doesn't look bad, the 458/0 front is fine, but the 458/5 looks a bit better, the train has a good seat, lets hope the same for the 701
The 458s are quite Good for SWR, I'm not so sure about the 701s tho 😑
@@justrains4657I hate the 701
I love it
@@millercool21 the 458s are good, im glad SWR are gonna keep them in replacement for the class 442s
@@justrains4657 such fine trains they are! Hopefully the seats are still comfy, when they are refurbished
I would be happy if I went on one
The 458 you saw at Feltham after coming through the ticket barriers could have gone to either Windsor Riverside or Weybridge
Oh wow, ok
@@justrains4657 the 458s are also used on Guildford to Alton services when there is engineering works either in the Woking area, or between Woking and Clapham Junction. Along with ECS moves between Farnham CSD and Reading via Ascot.
Sounds like the 1996 stock!
It kinda does! You can even find similarites of the 1996 stock and the 465. They too have the same motor!
Sounds more of the 95 stocks. The Metcam 465s sound like 96 stocks
Do they have the same motor as 1995 stocks
They both have Alstom Onix motors, so yes
SWR are scrapping the 458s. The Class 701 will replace the Class 455, 456, 458 and 707. The 455s and 456s are too old so they will be scrapped. The Class 458 will also be scrapped as no operator wants them. The Class 707 will move to SouthEastern and operate SouthEastern services
Do u know when exactly, or approximately, will they be scrapped, because I tried looking for detail so I can review the two other trains, class 455 and 456
@@justrains4657 The first 2 Class 707s have left SWR and moved to SouthEastern. The 455s and 456s will probably be last to go around late 2021 - early 2022
@@JackJackProductions Oh great! Good, I still have time then
@@JackJackProductions yh I've heard of that, class 707s might replace classes 465 and 376 on the Southeastern metro services, if im right.
@@justrains4657 The 707s will enable the 376s to move to Southern. The 376s will replace the Southern 455s
These are cool but... HiGh SpEeD TrAiN
It is not rlly a High speed train. What I meant was that it had a top speed of 100mph. But you're right, they do look cool
@@justrains4657 I did not give any context to that, Sorry that is not what i meant, What i did mean was i used to think they were a high speed train
@@not_lewis2649 Oh ok, my bad 😁
@@not_lewis2649 But you're right, they kinda look like high speed trains