Geoff, this is a real feelgood video, especially the visit to Litchurch Lane in Derby. I am delighted to see that so many trains new are to built here in Britain.
Being from Montreal, I cant help feeling very proud when I see Bombardier all over the world. ⚜️🇨🇦😊 Bombardier’s original 1974 metro cars (the first public transport rolling stock they made) are still running on 🟢🟡🔵 lines, with the new hybrid Bombardier+Alstom cars on the 🟢🟠 lines.
I wouldn’t be very proud of it now, these trains are now 3 years late into service, have little to no sign of service entry any time soon, and have caused mayhem on the network by not working, hell there’s been class 444s on suburban services because they had nothing else
Hello Geoff, a very useful and informative video, very well edited, commentated, narrated, guided, polished and produced, I can't wait for these news Trains to be rolled out, it's certainly going to enhance the current Passenger experience significantly. Cheers Peter :)
It's the bizarre world of accounting; it would seem SWT got the 707s on quite an expensive deal from Siemens/whoever the leasing company is, and it was cheaper for SWR to break that contract and sign a new one with Bombardier at a better leasing rate. Why that is possible... who knows.
GA opted for yellow fronts on the Class 720s because of concerns about visibility at foot crossings in rural areas and along the 100mph mainline to Norwich. Probably the same reason for SWR.
Another Cool insight into the Manufacturers and the processes in place towards Train Building and also a great way for the younger people to explore different Apprenticeships / Traineeships that maybe available within these organisations. Thanks again Geoff.
@@SkunkMantraTechnoSkunk Really.. How strange. I swear the ones in the Thameslink line have toilets.. 🤔 Is it an 8 carriage? I mean I cannot think of any reason why they would omit WC's, unless it was a 4 coach short commuter service.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks yer these are normally 8 carrages from Guildford to waterloo eva via Cobham going through wimbledon or Leather head ETC then to waterloo. ive not seen public lavs on them.
Yes!! From the sounds of it they will working on my commute!! The best thing is the air conditioning! It’s so hot in the summer on swr trains compared to southern ones as no air con! The seat charging ports sound good as well! 👍🏻😀
Great video, Geoff, I knew the vote would get you there, lol. Glad to hear they are complete with accessible, as I suspect I will appreciate those more now!
A train that is late before its even started....what a shambles. I saw a video of a large number of 701 units at Worksop, they're doing a lot of good there aren't they?!
Geoff explained in the description. "- The first few units have pantographs (including the one shown on the test track) just to prove the functionality, but the rest/majority will be third rail only."
I find the old plastic chairs in bus and ferry to be more comfortable because they are angled and have curve on the lower part which support my lower back muscle. Yes they are ugly but they are more ergonomic and easier to clean.
@DanielTheRanterVGCP But I though we were going to have our sovereignty back and that there would be butterflies and unicorns everywhere and life would be wonderful?
@DanielTheRanterVGCP Modern fire resistant seats don't have to be hard, comfy padded ones take up more space, fire resistance is probably not important now that smoking is banned, oh how I miss a smoke filled compartment in the morning.
I work for bombardier (Anglia build) and saw you walking around site the other day, wasn’t sure if it was you! It’s cool to see a video about my own job!
Never ceases to amazes me how different types of trains and modes London has..why does it need to be so complicated 🤣 here in Cork we literally have..the train or the bus. They're your choices 🤣
its because some service lines have shorter platforms and poor rail infrustructure so they have to build trains that will accommodate the tunnels , bridges . quite complex though but its all to do with the infrustructure and total number of passengers moving too.
Just to quickly point out, I think the Bombardier factory is where you see the running rails, the third rail, the fourth rail and overhead electrification in the same place. The only thing missing is a MAGLEV guideway.
The train on the Dynamic Test Fascility had it's Pantograph up on the overhead lines but, as far as I'm aware, all of the Waterloo routes are powered by the third rail. Are theses trains designed to take power from both top and bottom? Or are the Waterloo routes destined for the same overhead upgrades that the West Coast mainline is/has received?
Hey Geoff, when the Class 484's get built, I have a feeling you'll be doing a video on that. The old Island Line trains are definitely in need of replacing. But still the 701 looks amazing, shame the 707's are going.
Hey Phil! Ah, I wondered what they were building at Feltham - that answers that question then! I noticed it had an overhead pickup - that's odd, not much call for that on the local lines, lol.
My only issue with the new trains is the seats don't look as good as the other Aventra trains but assuming you reply Geoff you can tell me how they are?
I actually live In a High rise building in Basingstoke, and it because it looks over B’stoke Station. I see a LOT of 701s going past that station. I hope, when they are released for Public use, some of them will run on on London Waterloo - Basingstoke. 🤞
I think you should be asking *if* at this point, most still haven’t even been built, and they’re still not authorised for service, not to mention all of the issues
I prefer Siemens. German quality and technology beats Canadian any day of the week. The main modification I would make for the Desiro City would be flush doors and rounded/pointed cab ends to increase aerodynamic efficiency. And customise the traction motors by using neodymium magnets for the rotor to increase the power density (more volts per unit amp, so more power can be supplied without burning the wires out, and the higher back emf allows the train to regeneratively brake at lower speeds).
Yellow fronts is a good idea for trains with a dark livery, such as these - especially if they pass over level crossings. It is for this reason that Trains in New Zealand are required to have yellow fronts, as we have hundreds of level crossings.
We can try all 3's - as Southern, SouthEastern, and South Western Railway of all 701 services either 5 or 10 coaches. I know they build 90 of them, (30x5 + 60x10), but can we do more real soon?
It doesn't make sense to actually replace the class 707s because they're only 4 years old the ideal solution is actually operate the tubes side by side. You're actually see this in some commuter rail networks in the UK where a 2015 build train will operate alongside a 2018-2020 build train.
If I'm not mistaken, I saw a third and fourth rail, and a pantograph. I always thought that swt use track that is either thrid rail electrified, or no electrification, except probably at Reading?
If that is their final livery they look much better than the artist impressions when they were first announced. Also glad they have gone with the yellow front as it breaks up the dark colour at the front of the train as well as I still don't think the new trains that don't have the yellow front look right.
Good video and you look so excited by the new trains. Will they get a lot off use when they come on board as its causing problems with the planned strikes next month over the guards. Let's hope its all sorted by then.
Did you know Bombardier started building snow cats for crossing the snow & ice in Northern Canada ? There were some pictures of these in their London office.
Dear Geoff ...at DACH (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) Bombardier Trains are known as ... late (years - more then the purple line is), not working, "Störung - Störung" and many technical difficulties ... how about the UK ... same there?
Most likely "Malfunction - Malfunction" or maybe "Error - Error" in the UK. I once worked on German flightpath computers that used to say: "Überfragt - Überfragt". Stuck with the crew lingo for years after.
same here in Toronto Canada; Bombardier delayed delivery of Flexity streetcars and then delivered faulty ones that the TTC, the local transit agency, had to fix up in-house. They also seem to be late in delivery for MTA New York Subway trains. Bombardier is a hot mess.
I was about to ask the same are some of the first unit being fitted with Pantos like the first gen 375s Bombardier produced to test them and the rest only fitted with 3rd rail shoes for weight saving and cost saving?
No doubt the seats, even in 1st class, will be like the 'ironing board' one my posterior was subjected to a few months back. If so I'll use my BMW in future.S.W. Trains, you will get 1 chance!
So the class 707s will be going where? We in the North East of London are impatiently waiting the removal of the Class313 and 317s, great when empty but horrid when crammed which is all the time
“Here’s some shots of the interior of the train.”
*immediately cuts to a shot of the exterior of the train*
You know that Geoff like doing outside shots
750-742=8 spares
When you were inside the shed, you looked like a little kid with his cap on, and oh so excited to play with some big trains.
Geoff, this is a real feelgood video, especially the visit to Litchurch Lane in Derby. I am delighted to see that so many trains new are to built here in Britain.
They've FINALLY entered service. Well, one train so far.
At the start: Waterloo busiest railway station
Me: *gets flashback to April fools Waterloo least used London station*
He said "least used London Waterloo", so its technically correct
@@asheiou What about London Waterloo East!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@isaactimmins8959 we don't talk about Waterloo East
Being from Montreal, I cant help feeling very proud when I see Bombardier all over the world. ⚜️🇨🇦😊
Bombardier’s original 1974 metro cars (the first public transport rolling stock they made) are still running on 🟢🟡🔵 lines, with the new hybrid Bombardier+Alstom cars on the 🟢🟠 lines.
I wouldn’t be very proud of it now, these trains are now 3 years late into service, have little to no sign of service entry any time soon, and have caused mayhem on the network by not working, hell there’s been class 444s on suburban services because they had nothing else
@@class444swr3 Bombardier delivering a train without at least a year delay and at least 2 major faults would be a miracle
almost 3 years later and theres still no sign of these things entering service, theyll be as old as the 455s are now when theyre finally introduced
4:05... I didn't snigger, but a wry smile did cross my face when the dude behind you roared with laughter lol
As a former SWR commuter I really enjoyed watching this. Keep up the good work!
Hello Geoff, a very useful and informative video, very well edited, commentated, narrated, guided, polished and produced, I can't wait for these news Trains to be rolled out, it's certainly going to enhance the current Passenger experience significantly. Cheers Peter :)
your lying are you...
@@thetrainman1977 no
Nice! But it’s a bit silly to replace the 707’s already! It’s been like 2 years
They are probably needed elsewhere
Yeah! The 707’s are going to Southeastern to replace the 376’s
@@VLV-5677 Not confirmed
It's the bizarre world of accounting; it would seem SWT got the 707s on quite an expensive deal from Siemens/whoever the leasing company is, and it was cheaper for SWR to break that contract and sign a new one with Bombardier at a better leasing rate. Why that is possible... who knows.
K.o.R spot on really
GA opted for yellow fronts on the Class 720s because of concerns about visibility at foot crossings in rural areas and along the 100mph mainline to Norwich. Probably the same reason for SWR.
Good reason why trains should still be yellow at the front
Another Cool insight into the Manufacturers and the processes in place towards Train Building and also a great way for the younger people to explore different Apprenticeships / Traineeships that maybe available within these organisations. Thanks again Geoff.
"Don't snigger"
You'll be glad to know I didn't, Geoff.
I laughed quite loudly for a few minutes.
okay
Uh, If I were you I'd check my spelling mate
1:16 Just casually driving around with a piece of trainbody...
The BlockMaster Productions as you do 😳😂😳
Again the most uncomfortable looking seats ever, the type that when you sit down you almost wish you were standing..
Do you think that the new open format is going to get rid of the toilets as well?
@@DanielCraigie Why should it.. It didn't on the 707. 🤔
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Ones now from Guildford to waterloo lines via Cobham never had toilets once was stuck on it for 2 hours man i was bursting.
@@SkunkMantraTechnoSkunk Really.. How strange. I swear the ones in the Thameslink line have toilets.. 🤔
Is it an 8 carriage? I mean I cannot think of any reason why they would omit WC's, unless it was a 4 coach short commuter service.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks yer these are normally 8 carrages from Guildford to waterloo eva via Cobham going through wimbledon or Leather head ETC then to waterloo. ive not seen public lavs on them.
Yes!! From the sounds of it they will working on my commute!! The best thing is the air conditioning! It’s so hot in the summer on swr trains compared to southern ones as no air con! The seat charging ports sound good as well! 👍🏻😀
Great video, Geoff, I knew the vote would get you there, lol. Glad to hear they are complete with accessible, as I suspect I will appreciate those more now!
They look a lot better in this video than a lot of pictures and artists impressions that I've seen and I can't wait for them!
One thing that ALL manufacturers should be compelled to do is make ALL multiple units coupling compatible wherever possible.
Mad tunnel vision going on at the start there Geoff. You're a genius, man. Stick some shades on 😎
4:05 you said don't snigger but someone's laughing in the background lol
*_ahaHAHAHAHA_*
ARGHARGARGHARG
Good job you put this on RUclips, as the general public won't see them for years yet......
A train that is late before its even started....what a shambles. I saw a video of a large number of 701 units at Worksop, they're doing a lot of good there aren't they?!
So glad you refer to the Lizard line as the Purple Line. Cheers Geoff!
"Mid 2020" 🤣
Welcome to 2024, Class 701!
I've just noticed that the class 701 was using its Pantograph and not the Shoe gear?
TFL_Travel_RBLX might be the GOBLIN overground ones
Geoff explained in the description. "- The first few units have pantographs (including the one shown on the test track) just to prove the functionality, but the rest/majority will be third rail only."
They have both :)
Scott Quine will all of them be both ?
@@JackLebeau666 oh god please Big no no the have got the class 710 already .
Anyone else think the 701 looks like an angry wasp?
James Christmas tbh it kinda does xD
URRGH ANGRY HEADLIGHTS
Abit, but with a blunt head.
Yup
Looks like the same awful, rock hard, bolt upright seats that so many new trains have. Why can't we have comfortable seats now?
I find the old plastic chairs in bus and ferry to be more comfortable because they are angled and have curve on the lower part which support my lower back muscle. Yes they are ugly but they are more ergonomic and easier to clean.
@DanielTheRanterVGCP But I though we were going to have our sovereignty back and that there would be butterflies and unicorns everywhere and life would be wonderful?
@DanielTheRanterVGCP Modern fire resistant seats don't have to be hard, comfy padded ones take up more space, fire resistance is probably not important now that smoking is banned, oh how I miss a smoke filled compartment in the morning.
We could have comfy seats but we have a poor culture in Britain called “destroy everything” Better to drive
Zero human ergonomics
On the upside, no chance of falling asleep in those seats which resemble folded ironing boards.
I work for bombardier (Anglia build) and saw you walking around site the other day, wasn’t sure if it was you! It’s cool to see a video about my own job!
Never ceases to amazes me how different types of trains and modes London has..why does it need to be so complicated 🤣 here in Cork we literally have..the train or the bus. They're your choices 🤣
its because some service lines have shorter platforms and poor rail infrustructure so they have to build trains that will accommodate the tunnels , bridges . quite complex though but its all to do with the infrustructure and total number of passengers moving too.
They r gonna replace my childhood already with something you can get from Tesco for 1.99 is absolutely just I'm out of words 😂
Fantastic news, these look great. SWR is a dire experience on some of those older trains.
Just to quickly point out, I think the Bombardier factory is where you see the running rails, the third rail, the fourth rail and overhead electrification in the same place. The only thing missing is a MAGLEV guideway.
2.37-2.38 a nice sound in the background. The ping. Means a cup of tea 😂
How weird that 3 years later they're still not in service!
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And yet this week - three years later - they’ve been taken for “storage”😂
Middle of 2021, still waiting for my 701 to appear.
I don't want them
End of 2022 and still no sign of 701s, at least some have moved from Eastleigh at least
Early 2025 no 701 on reading to Waterloo
Cool looking trains Geoff. The controls look like a space ship!
I’m guessing they’ll have hard seats which won’t line up with the windows! If that’s the case they’ll be crap!
Wow, the flatter fronts look so so much better than the standard design!
Ah, but what's the best cab angle for a train that needs to go at 100 mph?
@rosiefay7283 a bit late, but they never needed a arrow front the hit 100mph. No train ever really did. Just needs enough power
The train on the Dynamic Test Fascility had it's Pantograph up on the overhead lines but, as far as I'm aware, all of the Waterloo routes are powered by the third rail. Are theses trains designed to take power from both top and bottom? Or are the Waterloo routes destined for the same overhead upgrades that the West Coast mainline is/has received?
No plans for overhead wires to go to Waterloo
It was 13:15 for quite a long while, either it’s able to time travel, or it’s the train equivalent to a VCR blinking 12:00
Waterloo station is amazing...!!! 🙂🔝👌🚄🚆
Hey Geoff, when the Class 484's get built, I have a feeling you'll be doing a video on that. The old Island Line trains are definitely in need of replacing.
But still the 701 looks amazing, shame the 707's are going.
4:05
Geoff: Don’t Snigger
Everyone in the background: **Haha**
I can already see Mick Cash’s red, sweaty, coked-up face screaming in frustration! I hope they’ll make the guard obsolete soon 🙌
Hey Phil! Ah, I wondered what they were building at Feltham - that answers that question then! I noticed it had an overhead pickup - that's odd, not much call for that on the local lines, lol.
I love only 5 minutes away from the site
Hi Geoff.
I caught a glimpse of one on a test run through Richmond station today around 12:40. Looks sleek.
How about an update. Mid 2020 ??
They’re going to see “soft introduction” in 2024, I think the defects and union disagreements have almost been resolved.
My only issue with the new trains is the seats don't look as good as the other Aventra trains but assuming you reply Geoff you can tell me how they are?
I went on a guided tour there around 30 years ago, the other 39 visitors were trainee Police Officers and were not even interested in trains!
They look so good! Also I love the Elizabeth Line trains
I actually live In a High rise building in Basingstoke, and it because it looks over B’stoke Station. I see a LOT of 701s going past that station.
I hope, when they are released for Public use, some of them will run on on London Waterloo - Basingstoke. 🤞
I think you should be asking *if* at this point, most still haven’t even been built, and they’re still not authorised for service, not to mention all of the issues
Bruh the infamous ironing board seat
Very cool. They shoulda let you sign one of the trains somewhere hidden as they were building it, that way you’ll have a special connection to it.
I prefer Siemens. German quality and technology beats Canadian any day of the week. The main modification I would make for the Desiro City would be flush doors and rounded/pointed cab ends to increase aerodynamic efficiency. And customise the traction motors by using neodymium magnets for the rotor to increase the power density (more volts per unit amp, so more power can be supplied without burning the wires out, and the higher back emf allows the train to regeneratively brake at lower speeds).
I like how they make you put the booties on outside so you can really track in the dirt...
Yellow fronts is a good idea for trains with a dark livery, such as these - especially if they pass over level crossings. It is for this reason that Trains in New Zealand are required to have yellow fronts, as we have hundreds of level crossings.
No level crossings on CrossRail so no yellow. 701 started out without yellow, but it was changed some time ago
HI Geoff! Cool vid dude! Like the 701 livery - not bad!!
This is coming on my line, can’t wait!
The class 701 looks so much nicer than the other aventra offerings imo
We can try all 3's - as Southern, SouthEastern, and South Western Railway of all 701 services either 5 or 10 coaches. I know they build 90 of them, (30x5 + 60x10), but can we do more real soon?
Yep you're right
Geoff Will you make a video on the 701 when it enters into service
Nice informative piece, Geoff!
Looks like a nice train - good luck with running it @ 100mph on the Windsor lines
What a beautiful plastic box on wheels would look perfect in my bin
Geoff, go onto the TFL rail branch from Shenfield down to Liverpool street. You can go on the new Class 345's for Crossrail/Elizabeth line.
He's been there, done that
Oh lol didn't see that
@@geofftech2 i want to meet you in London one day Geoff Marshall
It doesn't make sense to actually replace the class 707s because they're only 4 years old the ideal solution is actually operate the tubes side by side. You're actually see this in some commuter rail networks in the UK where a 2015 build train will operate alongside a 2018-2020 build train.
I'll miss the 455s... but they are starting to show their age and it will be good to have some new trains on my local branch
Interesting to see they're running with a pantograph. Will the pantograph be retained when they are in passenger service?
the depot is at clapham junction so sometimes i see the 701s leaving the depot
Clapham is just their graveyard, they sit there doing nothing and occasionally going out to get software updates or whatever
Hey Jeff Marshall, would it be possible if you could at some point visit Strawberry Hill depth and see the train is it there?
If I'm not mistaken, I saw a third and fourth rail, and a pantograph. I always thought that swt use track that is either thrid rail electrified, or no electrification, except probably at Reading?
If that is their final livery they look much better than the artist impressions when they were first announced. Also glad they have gone with the yellow front as it breaks up the dark colour at the front of the train as well as I still don't think the new trains that don't have the yellow front look right.
Will this train result in them being more punctual, cheaper fares, and fewer strikes? I seriously doubt it
6:25 Geoff: New train smell!
Everyone else: Ironing board seats!
Great film as usual Geoff.
It looks like the evolution of the class 185
The southwestern line uses a third rail system to power its trains yet at 9:01 you can clearly see a pantograph is that just for the test model??
I’ve seen a few of these new units, in fact I saw one at new Milton last Friday. I think it was unit 701014.
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So much for mid 2020!
Good video and you look so excited by the new trains. Will they get a lot off use when they come on board as its causing problems with the planned strikes next month over the guards. Let's hope its all sorted by then.
Did you know Bombardier started building snow cats for crossing the snow & ice in Northern Canada ? There were some pictures of these in their London office.
Will you try and see Merseyrail’s brand new Class 777’s that come in to service start of 2020? They’ve started testing over in Germany!
Dear Geoff ...at DACH (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) Bombardier Trains are known as ... late (years - more then the purple line is), not working, "Störung - Störung" and many technical difficulties ... how about the UK ... same there?
Most likely "Malfunction - Malfunction" or maybe "Error - Error" in the UK. I once worked on German flightpath computers that used to say: "Überfragt - Überfragt". Stuck with the crew lingo for years after.
same here in Toronto Canada; Bombardier delayed delivery of Flexity streetcars and then delivered faulty ones that the TTC, the local transit agency, had to fix up in-house. They also seem to be late in delivery for MTA New York Subway trains. Bombardier is a hot mess.
I would like to know were the running gear was built . It wasn’t Derby ,so was it Crewe or have they shipped them in from Germany again ?
Was this filmed before the countless issues this week on the swr network
This week?? There always seem to be issues on SWR
And how many are going to comment that "that train had a pantograph but SWR is 3rd rail"....
Me. I was that man. Picky, picky, picky...
Well it ac/DC which means it can run on both
I was about to ask the same are some of the first unit being fitted with Pantos like the first gen 375s Bombardier produced to test them and the rest only fitted with 3rd rail shoes for weight saving and cost saving?
@@danielholmes3122 you know that, I know that, but that won't stop people now, will it?
The Siemens trains on SWR were also configured so they could have pantographs added
No doubt the seats, even in 1st class, will be like the 'ironing board' one my posterior was subjected to a few months back. If so I'll use my BMW in future.S.W. Trains, you will get 1 chance!
Where was the Elbow test?
They look amazing Geoff
First the Electrostar s take over and now the Aventr 's are taking over. Well done Bombardier!
So the class 707s will be going where? We in the North East of London are impatiently waiting the removal of the Class313 and 317s, great when empty but horrid when crammed which is all the time
Built in Britain. Respect. 100mph on SWR LOL. The 455s are so underrated compared to the horribly oppressive desiros.
Anyone else notice that train on the test track was using Overhead not 3rd rail power? Do Network Rail have an Xmas surprise for SWR?
The ones' that came to Greater Anglia are such a vast improvement.