Luke Sandoe | Thoughts On The Newest Report | Fouad Abiad & Ben Chow
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Fouad and Ben discuss Luke's final report that was just released and give their thoughts about it.
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Fouad and Ben, thank you very much for taking the time to make this video
Luke sandoes death inspired me to tell my mom how I am suicidal and depressed, so I donated to his family. I’m not saying this to brag but to show how he impacts people.
This is something I've heard countless times since we lost Luke and I think it's incredible that his passing has saved so many people!
Ben Chow thanks bro you’re a great friend he’d be proud
Hang in there Kai!
Boo hoo. Fuckin hell. Previously generations were storming beaches and swinging battle axes.... and your depressed. Cope!
Good for you…keep reaching out you will find help and help yourself 👍
I appreciate Luke for who he was. How he left this world doesn't really matter to me what matters is that he's gone. He needs to be celebrated for the amazing person he was. RIP Luke
This!!
this was good of you guys to do this. Luke was no phony, he was as real as it gets. He would have wanted everyone to know the truth and not a falsehood. I’ll take the word of you and Ben over a family he was estranged from
My 2 daughters mother passed from suicide nearly 2 yrs ago...
They know it..
Her family knows it...
She messaged one of my daughters and a couple of people about it just prior to finding her...
It sucks...it's sad
But my girls know it to be true..
She was bipolar and ADHD..
Tried it before...
Her family though has decided to make that it was an accident and she didn't intend to do it...
That's fine,it's a hard reality to understand...it annoys my littlest one, cuz she KNOWS they know and insist on acting like it was an accident...
Families and loved ones struggle with this particular passing, it's stigma...
Just thought I'd share...
My girls know the mental struggles their Mom dealt with...
And they,with counseling and time have healed(to the degree one can move forward)
Best to you both
And to his loved ones...
Pain from loss loved ones is the hardest,worst,and most confusing to deal with
TC
Thanks for sharing. Best wishes for you and your daughters
@@lauraspitz440 thanks for that...I hope Fouad and Ben can just let it rest..they know and they told the reality with love and care for their friend...Luke can be at peace with that
Thank you for sharing brother 🙏🏼
I think anyone who has taken the time to listen and follow along with this story understands Luke was too aware of his own health for heart failure to be an accident. This technicality is to benefit those closest to him that may not understand his struggles to ease their minds from wondering. I think ultimately the conflicting statement came from a place of compassion for the hearts and minds of Luke’s children. Not to contradict or make anyone out to be a liar. I think it is important to understand “both can be true” and the importance of mental health for the rest of the community, while also acknowledging this new information doesn’t come from a place of ill intent.
I think making Luke look like a steroid abusing bber and saying that was the cause of his heart attack comes from a place of ill intent regardless of who its trying to protect.
Fouad Abiad the only people who believe that aren’t real fans of Luke and they’re the same people who would have said the drugs made him commit suicide if that was listed as the cause of death. Unfortunately people suck, and they will believe whatever narrative fits their biases. There is an unfortunate stigma that comes with this lifestyle but for those who listened to Luke, you, Ben, and James they know the truth. They know Luke wasn’t reckless and he was very much in the drivers seat with his supplement use. Your protectiveness of his legacy is well placed and I believe you all are doing the right thing by him. There is just more at play than what we see at face value. You can’t change the opinions of people who are ignorant of the situation and want to believe they can blame PED’s for what happened. Speak your truth, spread your positivity, and fuck anyone who revels in your loss.
Didn't he just have all sorts of bloodwork done too?
It doesn't make sense how it's changed but I can see why. They want to protect his kids from thinking he was selfish or have them blaming themselves. However they should have released this ages ago. Luke never took high doses.
Everyone responds differently though, some people get gyno from barely any ped usage and some can take huge amounts and never get gyno. For how easily luke put mass on compared to everyone else it would seem reasonable he would be more susceptible to heart hypertrophy compared to regular users. (not stating its what happened, just logically could see it being a case)
Kevs2good this occurred during the lockdown. He would have no need to take higher doses with no way to train. What the new report does is takes away from the mental health aspect and paints bodybuilders in a worse image
Luke used to train me and my ex partner in Essex, and we knew him for many years. He was never really close with his family, but had other issues which aren't fair to discuss. If you have half a brain its not hard to see what you could use to cause loss of consciousness and then ultimately heart failure. Either way its such a shame as the guy was hilarious and just fun to be around. Lastly he never used stupid amounts of drugs, I even pushed him to let me use more and he always said you don't need it - which was true.
Luke was a wonderful human being and bodybuilder. He put a smile on my face everyday and I enjoyed watching his workouts. He inspired me a lot. I hope his children will grow up and be proud of what their dad accomplished. Rest in peace🙏
Mental health is health.
This just started and I'm hurting just by the looks on your faces
God bless you guys stay strong
Sorry but I think waiting to release that post until his birthday is disgusting.
Allowing his closest friends to grieve all this time, wondering if they could have prevented his death is truly terrible. It’s almost mean.
It’s such a selfish and self-important mindset. I get it, his family don’t think they owe anyone an explanation but to hold onto that info and stay quiet just so they can make a ‘big announcement’ on his birthday is so, so weird.
The fact they called it their final gift to him - disgusting.
Can yall just let it go. How you guys are gonna call the his son and daughter "disgusting" and "selfish" and "self-important"
@@TheBlueBlur100 lol - what? You think it was his 8yr old son or 15yr old daughter who wrote the statement? No.
I've watched every minute of every podcast luke was in, on this show and others. Luke so rarely talked about his family, ill take the word of his brothers who were with him everyday over people who happen to share genetic material.
You are a perceptive man! 100%
@@benchow6257 thanks man! Nothing but love your way, if there's anything a random guy on the internet can do to help out let me know.
My dad died of heart failure also I was told,then once a adult my mom told me it was suicide... Truth hurts but best to get it out good work guys...
I always want the truth, no matter how painful it is
So sorry for your loss
My dad had a major heart attack and 2 strokes at the same time. But he pulled through.. i was lucky.. sorry for your lose dude 🙏🏼😔
“Let the dead rest”
guess what I don’t think you’re knowledgeable enough on that to make such a conjecture.
It couldn’t have been easy to make this. I appreciate you both so much for bringing it to light.
You guys are good friends and great inspiration. I can only wish to have mates like you both when I’m gone.
You can suffer heart failiure, in the event of taking your life, whichever way that is. I think given the original news and now this, you should be able to add 2+2 & understand what happened. Thats all thats needs to be known. Happy Birthday Luke ❤
We all really need to be supportive of the boys here especially Ben. The statement was clearly a jab at the painful information Luke’s best mate had to release in the name of honesty. There will be character assassins going after him here but, we all know there was nothing to gain in Ben divulging the information other than being an honest person. Sadly, this may be a financial move or simply a way for the family to protect his children. Either way we need to let the man rest and give love to everyone affected by this loss of life.
Ben doesnt seeem like the type to lie..dude even admits when his physique isnt up to par where it needs to par where it needs to be and when it is on point come on now
lader baxter hes always been a straight shooter. He’s being very respectful here, again we have to be supportive.
Appreciate the time spent from both of you... you can see the love and brotherhood you felt for Luke.
RIP Juggernaut
We miss you greatly
I was so confused when I saw the post, thank you both for clarifying. Rest in Peace Luke❤
So basically he took a super dose of insulin
We never doubted you Ben and Fouad.
It seems to me, with no disrespect, that it’s an easy escape to blame it on bodybuilding, gear etc.
No actually ul find hardly any bodybuilder didrd from gear so ur wrong they died cus they were taking cocaine and other stuff the media blame steroid use which is bullshit
Very strong of u guys to pull this video off, it means alot!
The feeling to walk around with anxiety and depression is hard to explain. The body is constantly in a fight or flight mode. Over time it could be very harsh on the body in so many ways, never underestimate the mental health -it controls every function in the body.
Someone that havent been there will never understand how it feels.
Much respect for Luke and for u guys!
Really sorry for your loss. Listening to you guys felt like talking with friends. Thankyou for taking time to speak with us about this sensitive topic.
As you are saying how both stories can be true at the same time, I believe I understand where you are coming from with that statement Fouad. To the extent he induced heart failure to lighten the story on his kids? In any event just his passing is heartbreaking, and he did inspire a great deal of people to better themselves! It definitely saddens me that this would be released on his birthday of all days. And my heart goes out to his family and to all of his friends and loved ones and to everybody that Luke touched in his walk through life
its so sad, the man died and he was one of the most respected bodybuilder of my generation in my opinion, he was such an amaizing person and now that hes dead can that person on his instagram leave him in peace?
Thank you so much guys for putting this up at such a difficult time. What incredible friends Luke has. I'm not to ashamed to say that there's a tear in my eye. Thank you again and much love 🙏❤
thank you guys. I think someone should speak for Luke too
I'm really glad you put this video out Fouad, as always you come across as respectful, authentic and honest. You do Luke's memory proud. It is pretty apparent that both narratives are true. Thank you for the time and effort you put into producing quality videos with integrity, you are a great ambassador for bodybuilding.
Even though it’s not my place, that post was a bit upsetting. They should have left it alone and not posted from his page. I understand the intentions but seeing the reactions of people accusing his friends (you guys, redcon1, ect) of lying to everyone for clout and to protect bodybuilding is beyond me. Easiest way to go as a bodybuilder is from insulin before bed. Going hypo can lead to heart failure. People need to think before bashing other people. Sad yall even had to make this video. RIP Luke & happy bday
Thank you both for your unwavering support of Luke, your unwavering love of our sport, and being as candid as you possibly can during such a difficult and sensitive time. Happy Birthday, Luke Sandoe and may you forever RIP 🙏 💪🏽
Love that you guys made this video so much. Saw that post and it threw me for a loop. As a bodybuilding fan who is health conscience and has anxiety Luke’s death was close to home. Glad you guys cleared things up and as always came out as honest as possible. You guys are great for the sport.
I really appreciate this video guys. Much love to you both❤️
Thank you both for taking the time to elaborate on this.
I may speak with the presumption that all have listened to all the words that were not said in previous podcasts, including those with Luke on but your audience will understand it well enough, luckily.
Much strength to you both and all friends and family. 🙏🏽
Thank you to you both for being a voice for Luke, I know its not easy to talk about any of this stuff and I can see how much respect you have for him.
My partner and I loved watching his videos together, he would always make us laugh and keep us motivated (along with you found, thank you) in our on going fitness journey.
We stand with you and respect him. Thank you.
Thanks to you both for all you have gone through & are still going through to create this video .. to me stress, mental health & physical health are all one and the same when it comes to our well being, whatever the cause of death was the fact is that the World lost someone who was very important to many people for different reasons & Luke will be missed but not forgotten 😔
Thank you guys for taking the time to help us as fans of Luke to understand the actual truth, and the most important thing today anyway is happy birthday Luke we all miss you.
Bodybuilding it’s a great sport...R.I.P brother 💪❤️
🙏🏻🙏🏻 well said and only right , I think anyone that knew or watched Luke on the podcasts knew how transparent he was about his ped use but even more about his insistence on being as healthy as you could possibly be being a professional bodybuilder .
FOUAD, JAMES, BEN, I just came here to tell you that whatever you may be thinking in this very moment, you are absolutely so important to me as a fan, as a man trying to improve my life, and as someone who needs good role models to look up to.
STAY HUGE FOREVER
Thank you to both Ben and Fouad. At the end of the day, the real cause does not matter. What matters is that the world lost an outstanding human, who touched the lives of many, and an even more outstanding father.
I have only recently got into body building. A bit strange you might think for a fourty year old woman you think but hey. I came across Luke and Fouads podcast randomly at 3 am on RUclips. Their honesty and humour had me hooked. Luke seems to have been the kind of guy that would stick up for the underdog. Honestly a genuinely nice guy who cared about his family his friends and his fans. Many people in the public eye forget where they came from, Luke always had his feet on the ground and whilst I'm sure he wasn't perfect he certainly had his head screwed on. I never knew him beyond RUclips, the podcasts, Instagram posts and promotions for redcon1 still, when I found out he had passed away I felt a loss. As his friends I can only imagine what you are going through. Thank you for your honesty guys. Luke's fans appreciate it.
Thank you guys so much for this. As loyal followers, I feel we were all confused with the statement today and wanted to hear from you guys, the one's in the know. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. RIP #LUKETHELEDGEND
As much as I appreciate Fouad and Ben for this heart felt post think the nuances of this topic and the fact that no one is revealing the full scope to the public will lead to more speculation unfortunately. Rest in power Luke
I tried to make it clear without stating too many details. The original story is the REAL story.
It’s lovely to see just how cared about he truly was and is. You can tell his two friends here only have his best interests at heart.
Thank you Fouad and Ben for making this vid.I know it must be really hard to do. Im glad i got the chance to meet Luke last year in Cologne.Luke the legend will always inspire me to improve.Personally i think you can add 2 and 2 together.Its shit talking about it but if someone were to take an overdose,heart failure is definitely a possible outcome.I've had clinical depression before and mental health doesnt care how big you are,what car you drive,if youre rich or strong etc.People will always find something to blame it on like the gear and the bodybuilding lifestyle.
Blood isnt always family :/ they need to shed light on mental health! With extremes highs and strenuous weeks on prep, come extreme lows maybe too much to handle. Needs to be talked about in the industry imo.
Thank you for making this video Ben and Fouad.
I hope when all this internet noise has calmed down, and you get some time to yourselves; you both take the time to appreciate what phenomenal friends you have been and that so few people out there have the integrity to approach such a difficult topic in such a difficult circumstance and deal with all of that whilst taking the harsh truths head-on yet still steadfastly protecting their friends privacy. You have both been remarkable sources of respect, dignity and loyalty at a time when such qualities seemed to be in extremely short supply. And as is so clear in Ben's case, despite the obvious pain and loss, nothing has stopped you stepping up to defend your friend. - its incredibly reassuring to see that people can still find the courage to find their best even at a time when things must feel so awful.
my condolences to Luke's friends and family. Good for you guys making a video, when it obviously was difficult. Don't let a social media post take away who Luke was to you!
Keep on going! Stay strong Fouad and Ben! Love the content. Can't stop listening to it! Also I'm upset deontrai Campbell didn't go with your brand! He goes to my gym. That would have been awesome!
Most of the time, our friends know way more about us than our family members do.
So sorry for Ben and ur loss !!! U both r great dudes !!! This is why I’m hooked on all the content u put out thx u 💯❤️ abs hope you try to ha e a great day 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hope you guys are doing okay and are keeping strong. Its amazing that you guys are doing this for Luke.
We see the pain and anger and sadness in both your eyes and facial expressions. We feel it too Fouad all fans know you speak the truth and nothing but. Hope you well on this tuff day.
So sorry you guys have to be doing this. All the best to you guys as you go through this complicated hard time.
This was a very hard video to make but you and Ben said everything you had to say. I definitely have the utmost respect for the both of you! Loyalty just isn’t when someone is around it’s when they are not here to defend themselves. #Respect
I never knew Luke, but despite not knowing him, his death has affected me greatly. Thought of him, you guys and his family a lot today whilst I was with my own family. Its clear he had great friends in you guys and it has never come across that you were trying to mislead anyone. I have no desire to know the facts. Just feel extremely sad that he has gone. RIP big man!
Should have known this post was BS when the words gift and cause of death were put together ..who words that as a gift ?? if this is true post a toxicology report ..Luke took his health serious and wasnt he discovered by James ..if there was no sign of a suicide ..this wouldnt have been released as one kinda hard to confuse the two when he was found ..way to honor someone on their birthday by bringing unnecessary alleged information..happy bday Luke
Absolutely understand what you guys are getting at. I have no doubt of the original story.
Thanks for making the video guys, we can see how tough it was, but know it's appreciated by the fans.
Fouad and Ben just wanna say thank you for you guys taking the time to do this as I can imagine it’s not really an easy subject to talk especially someone who’s close to you and consider a good friend iron brother and partner in crime kinda of thing too but I got nothing to say at this hard time at the moment but massive respect and love for you guys 🙏🏾❤️💪🏾
Wow guys.. thank you so much for this video.. can’t say it enough how helpful this is🙏🙏 I’m sure this would have helped many many people understand this
Thank you for saying what you did. It's easy to think you know what happens and we don't . Respect his memory and celebrate his life, end of story.
Heart failure can happen from a heart attack but it can also happen by injecting 3 cc's of insulin and I'm not sure if an autopsy could detect or see signs of a massive shot of insulin.
As a medical professional I can say for sure, insulin is not easily traceable....it’s metabolic action is quick for a reason, to remove excess glucose from the blood stream so the brain essentially has the right amount of glucose to maintain normal function
or overdose with sleeping pills, opiates etc...
@@kalakuta.tuidemal5616 I'm not saying Luke abuses insulin but I am saying injecting a massive shot of it would be about the easiest way to take your own life.
#LukeTheLegend happy birthday brotha!!!! Rest In Iron Paradise 💪
I know exactly what Ben is talking about, when he said it's not the obvious people who know. It's better to be private. That is a shameful part of one's life and it's their own. RIP Juggernaut. Don't know you but I effin miss you man.
Rest In Peace Luke🙏
There was absolutely no reason to release that message
The saddest part of all this is that a great person and a great bodybuilder went far too soon. It’s a tightrope of emotions around how and why Luke left and the messages his family and friends want to put out.. shout out to Ben and Foaud for putting this message out there.. RIP Luke ❤️
Ive just gained massive respect for Ben as a person, what a genuine dude!
Thankyou for this, the statement earlier I think scared us all knowing how carefull Luke was with his health
Extremely respectful, well done fellas. You nailed it
I'm a 47 year old woman who listens to this podcast because bodybuilding is something that I love. I liked Luke a lot and his passing was something that really impacted me. Having lost people that I loved very much, I think that his family has all the right to say, at this point, anything they want. The pain they are going through is something one can't explain. Of course I'm not dismissing Ben's pain because he also lost his best friend, a brother. The only thing I don't understand is the "dancing around" the subject. It just creates more confusion and more speculation.
you are right
He did not get along with his family and they do not have a right to tarnish his name with lies saying he had a heart attack that was brought on by bodybuilding which draws implications that it was drug abuse when it clearly was not.
@@FouadAbiad I'm sorry, but I disagree. I think the stigma of suicide is real. Between the two options, the one they've chosen might be the one they can deal with right now, one that his kids can find more of an explanation of what happened. Think about it, this is his family and family's dynamics are sometimes difficult to understand. Even if though he didn't get along with them, they still hurt for this tragedy. The same principle can be applied to what you just did when posting this so fast as if your feelings and what you think is more important than what his family posted. This has very little to do with bodybuilding. It's about losing a loved one so suddenly a tragically. This video, in my opinion, is of very bad taste.
I can’t imagine how hard it is for you guys and indeed his other friends and family. Like you’ve said in previous videos nothing will bring him back and the specific details of his death shouldn’t matter to his fans. What matters is remembering how great he was and how many he effected positively.
first I would like to raise a glass to luke. I didn't know him but he left to early and second I would like to really give all my housewarming love to both Fouad and also Ben. This can't be easy on top of the day when you reallyt want to remember the best of luke. Cheers guys and wish you the best.
You 2 are awesome people, Men, and Role Models. You both inspire me to be better. That all seems from Luke in a way too.
Marine Mike 🇺🇸
This was one of the first posts i seen this morning and was very confused ...Luke was a very amazing individual who i never had the pleasure to meet ..but through ur pod cast and vids from the outside looking in he such a amazing ora about him that u could tell simply by the people around him and how he effected there lives ....i know this must have been so very hard for u guys and i do greatly appreciate the the video ...love u guys and god bless
Just saw MD live reading of the family letter. Firstly to see you guy's this sad again is difficult, be strong guy's. Without the toxicology report being made public only continues the speculations and the lack of respect from others with their misguided opinions. With no disrespect to anyone especially the family, i am 100 behind you guy's words on this. The end of the day, bodybuilder or no, Luke was a lovely guy, its so sad that he is gone. Forever in our memories R I P Luke
thanks bro we all appreciate it we know it’s hard,for the both of you,we love you guys and appreciate you two thanks bros❤️
Well said and well done. I’m sorry you two even had to go on here today and revisit this.
Thank you guys. 🙏 RIP Luke
This makes me really sad. Thanks for making the best of a shit day.
Such gentleman and wonderful role models for everyone and the sport
Obviously I'm a nobody but for what it's worth as soon as I saw the post from Luke's Instagram account it felt extremely wrong. I'm glad you guys have responded like this. You guys are awesome and you don't need to justify your feelings. Stay strong!
I saw that post today and I was taken back. I just don’t understand why someone would go in his page and blame bodybuilding or even his sponsors in causing his passing. I believe that Luke was well aware of everything going on in his life and I don’t think that the bodybuilding did it. Coming from the medical field that I work in yes you can have both heart failure and take your life at the same time because when your heart stops and you can’t be revived it’s automatically documented as heart failure. But I doesn’t mean that it couldn’t be the opposite as well. Thanks Ben and Foaud for this. Love you both as my brother and to Luke.... RIP because I know you’re fired up but your boys got you my man 💪🏼🙌🏼
Ben don't worry....big hug to you my friend......Abiad thank ypu like always ....GRACIAS
You both made it very clear and very respectful. ☘️👊
I’m sorry you guys had to do this. Luke was and always will be a legend. But he’s not the only one, you guys are for sure legends too! Stay strong. Huge respect for your both
Luke was awesome and I will miss him :-( Rest in Paradise big man!
God bless you guys. Guys are doing the right thing and Luke knows that.
Integrity is the greatest currency in this social world now keep up the facts 👍
Respect for making the video thank you
Personally I trust you both and respect you for making this video.
Luke was a unique and funny guy.
RIP Luke
You are "Absolutely" right about people who like to think there right about the juice. F those people this guy looked like he loved bodybuilding. Sorry for your friends loss God Bless " BIG" man an his family. ❤
You guys are true friends to Luke. Big respect for your loyalty to The Juggernaut and his memory 💪❤️
Doesn’t matter how it happened, truth is we lost one of the good ones. Sending love to everyone luke touched
This is so hard.to hear couse is always people looking for the fault or blame with the finger but Luke is gone that's all his family and friends sadness would be respected no matter what anyone say no mater fans or hater or anything , a human being pass away after been one of the best on his era that's all nothing more could be in discussion .....hear others in RUclips talking about this like if they knows Luke's like fouad or Ben makes me sick !! LUKE SANDOE REST IN PEACE U DESERVE IT LEGEND !!!
Hearing the idea that Luke Sandoe was so health conscious so that means he wouldn't have heart problems was ridculous, because he was a mass monster at the Mr Olympia level. There simply isn't any healthy way to do that. There's no such thing as mitigating the harm. It just comes down to genetics. Some people's DNA allows them to last, others do not.
Thank you guys we know you guys are telling the truth from the beginning
Well handled guys. Respect you both
Thank you Guys
Just to speak as a pathologist to clarify what is being said - there is a manner of death and a cause of death. Suicide is a manner of death, others include natural, homicide and accident. Heart failure is a cause of death, technically it is always a cause of death which is why it is discouraged to be used as the ultimate cause of death on a death certificate. It is often used when autopsy does not find any other more specific causes of death and it can be the cause of death when the sequence leading up to death is included (eg coronary artery disease leading to heart attack leading to chronic heart failure). Thus, you can die of heart failure by manner of suicide which is what they are saying, both can be true.
I just want to say thank you for this video