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I wish they squished it more.... Example... I wish bosses had 1k hp and we hit for 20-30. And if we find a weapon that has +4 to damage you can actually see your attack grow to 24-34. I hate that there are millions and trillions of damage with bosses having multi million hp. It's just dumb to have huge numbers. I'd rather have meaning ful numbers that are easily readable and not this 20% lucky hit chance with two-handed weapons that have 4x multiplicative damage of 10% of your maximum armor that is buffed 8% of your max health when in berserk mode while you swap weapons 6 times you also do 2x multiplicative damage 13% additive of your movement speed bonus. Like wtf is that?!?! Just let me do "x" damage and my next weapon upgrade has +2 more damage... That's an obvious change and one that can be followed easily.
I have really enjoy Season 4 if they do another 1.1 update again I will be demanding my money back from the expansion because a total overhaul to the game isn't what I was paying for.
@TheGuyJack1 it's the way the multiplicative work in the damage expressions, without careful forethought, the inflation to those degrees is inevitable, cannot be avoided
Hmmm. Isn't this functionally the same as in the current game? Level 1-50 awards you Skill points for your skill tree. Level 51-100 awards you Paragon point for the Paragon board. (4 paragon points per level or 200 paragon points). With this change, Level 1-60 will award skill points for your skills (+10 skill points from vanilla). Then instead of Level 61-110 awarding 4 paragon points per level, it will now just be called Paragon Level 1-200. So, they're just changing the name.
Literally this, they're just splitting up the skill points from the paragon points, tbh probably little easier to read and means that they can expand on them seperately which would be expansions give more skill points and paragon points
All they're doing is separating paragon and levels so they have an easier and less awkward time adding level increases with expansions. This is entirely for their benefit.
@@Riomasa Same. This also largely eliminates the awkwardness of people killing certain capstone bosses or uber bosses while being 20 levels below them sometimes.
Another level squish likely won't be necessary unless they're planning more than 5 expansions. This is a big level squish that should last for many years, which could easily be the entire lifespan of the game.
I don't think we are getting that many expansions, I suspect one more major expansion maybe 2 at most and then some side stuff. Because drawing out another 2-3 expansions past that is going to be near impossible without causing a lot of upset and issues.
That's World of Warcraft, Diablo 3 didn't do that so I don't think Diablo 4 will. This is an ARPG not an MMO, no matter how hard they tried to skin it as a hybrid. Game is burnt man...
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@@beekeeperbrad6251 You’re correct but missing the point. This guys life is being by positively impacted by Rhykker. Can we all be happy about that? I feel like we can do that. We can dunk on AAA and “AAAA” all day but that horse is so dead and beat that all I want is for them to stop sucking and make good games. I miss that. Sounds like you do too.
What saddens me is that getting more powerfull in modern ARPG games means clearing levels more quicker. But i so much want it to be that getting more powerfull means beating more difficult enemies...
Exactly. There should be a max clear speed that is set from the very beginning when the games comes out. Then everything scales to you and your numbers. It's not hard to implement. I don't want POE copy, where it's essentially a running simulator and you don't see what you are fighting. You don't pay attention to the world, don't pay attention to the monsters, to the bosses, as you kill them in less than seconds. Garbage design. The game is million time better when it's slowed down. Like when you are leveling your character for example, like Diablo 2 was.
I mean... right now max level is 50 if you think about it. It's just a matter of how you split levels between paragon levels and actual levels. I don't think this change would make that much of a difference.
Absolutely. I don't feel any sense of progression past level 49 on a new character. Skill points are what give that feeling, paragon board is, and always will be a totally separate system that has nothing to do with leveling and could just be incorporated as such.
@@ozzyrulez2008 it’s still leveling you still have to earn them not like at 50 you just get all the paragon points instantly so this change is kinda pointless unless There’s a reason they want to separate it
I always thought it was strange the level cap was max right off the bat, when in the past the expansions always increase this. The bigger question is: why cant the devs think about this ahead of time?
Fully agree. After playing Enshrouded now for quite a few hours, that game just uses 3 digit damage numbers. And there are mobs, there are elites, there are bosses and it works just fine and its super easy to compare different weapons/skills, since with lower damage numbers its far easier to get an average damage for your build.
@@KrayZieTyler in general yes, but at some point your mind cannot even handle these numbers anymore. like in the billions and so on another 0 at the end is not nearly as recogniceable as the difference between 100 and 1000, so at least for me that dopamine never worked. But another thing is the scaling affixes in the newer games. In the old games there where some base items in different categories, that had all the same stats - like a sword at lvl 60 would have the same stats when you find it at lvl 100. The only difference where affixes and these where in brackets. Like there wasnt this steady dripfeed progression that somehow needs to be reflected in the numbers. you could find the best sword in the game at 60 and thats it - no need to replace it ever. But it seems like they wanted to expand the progression so you can upgrade more often (dopamine again?) so stuff scales up tremendously. i would really like they get away with item power completly, just have normal, sacred and ancestral - all base items have the same stat. Then the affixes only scale in brackets with "item level" like they do now, and a lot of the number creep is gone. Then they can tone down some of the multiplies too - no one needs 80% more fireball damage - why istn''t it 10% more? like 10 items would still double your damage but now your equipment makes it x 100 or even more. It basically demands certain items while you could live with 10% less damage if you are missing one way more easily. Also the balancing wouldnt be so problematic - right now missing an item that x10 your damage is a big deal - how would you balance your content? fully geared?, then its too hard unless you have perfect quipment, mediocre gear? then world bosses suddenly get oneshot. The number creep is the biggest enemy. It has a reason the classic rpgs used very low numbers eg. DnD
I REALLY want to see a class centered around supposrting other players. It should be a free class, at least not the focused class for a dlc, but it should have basic attack abilities and everything else be tings like healing, buffing, ressurecting and giving special effects.
@@Narfmann369 that’s called OT, bud. DaddySoft ain’t putting out the funds for a bunch of devs on a 2nd tier company run up the budget with Overtime!!!! Lol
@@Boneyard250 Eh, I don't think it's that. I think the issue is more integral. Testers simply cannot catch as many bugs/problems as your entire playerbase can. Now investing in testers MIGHT be logical if players refused to accept a testing/patch process in live by turning away as customers, but people tolerate broken, buggy games with their hard-earned money, so why would a company not take advantage of that system? On the one hand, a small scope of paid testers cannot catch most of the bugs. On the other hand, the playerbase DOES and will keep showing up even if they complain about it.
I'd bet part of the reasoning with this is new skills on the skill tree, possibly a new cluster, which could allow all character types to be more similar to the new spiritborn. Heck, POE is allowing you to mix and match different play styles/character types so you can be a "tanky/melee/sorcerer" so I'd imagine Blizz is doing the above to allow a barb to utilize some type of "magic" or unique built.
I think Xiansai and Skovos should be part of a single expansion instead of separate ones. Both don't seem large enough to carry an expansion by themselves but I could easily see an expansion where you go to both regions.
Yeah but why sell one expansion when you can sell two expansions? Guaranteed the long run financial plan for the game is to sell as many $40+ content expansions as possible.
@@TheGuitarmageddon Both areas just don’t have enough room to squeeze content into as new regions. While I do agree that fits with what I think the long term plans are, you also need to think about what people are willing to buy. Skovos and Xiansai together would barely be enough to be an expansion, so doing them separately just wouldn’t make sense. Unless they wanted to add smaller bite sized DLCs on par with Nova Covert Ops for SC2 or the Necromancer Pack for D3 I don’t think there’s enough there for both places to be individual DLCs. Edit: I could see maybe a higher priced episodic DLC like a Travels of Neyrelle type thing where maybe every 2 seasons you get a small chunk of DLC content (about 1/3rd or 1/4th of an act in size.) where you go to Xinsai, Skovos and maybe The Cold Isles we learn about in Diablo Immortal. I think the biggest issue with them being separate DLCs and Acts is the current Acts and the one we're getting in VoH have such massive areas that a DLC with a third or fourth of the explorable area just wouldn't land well, especially at normal expansion prices.
Considering how small the expanions appear to be, I'd rather they put out as many as possible. 1 open world area per expansion is just super light in terms of content, if we compare it to the base game.
@@zeriel9148 Just looking at the map, VoH seems pretty massive to me. Content-wise other than the new class and mercenary system it does feel a little lacking but I know there's other features we haven't seen or heard much about like the new maybe raid thing? We'll have to wait and see, then temper expectations based on what we get. I do think that in terms of the major areas of each continent we'll get a proper expansion and decent bit of content but for the island areas like Hawezar and Skovos, I just don't think there would be enough room physically to add enough content to warrant an individual expansion for each. Together though I think they would.
Max level cap being "lowered" to 60 is amazing. It will be functionally the same as the current game, but will make much more sense in the long term assuming the devs will increase the level cap. Besides right now the level cap is basically 50, and they increased it to 60. This is similar to what they've done in WoW. Level cap was 120 after many expansions, and they did a number-squish across the game, level cap became 50, and went up to 60 with Shadowlands. I'll go further - I think Diablo needs a number squish across the board. It might seem meaningless to most but for me, small numbers, numbers we're familiar with on daily basis have more impact than millions and billions. Since the game's development I wanted let's say. 10k dps to be a crazy high amount. 100k gold to be an insanely high number. I think when equipping a new weapon, when your hits jump from lets say 465'052'102 damage to 784'052'102, that feels less meaningful than when they jump from 465 to 784.
@Rhykker What if it's a stat squish and the "level reduction" is just to get people into the end game activities more quickly by level 60. I don't believe they are nerfing paragon, that would be massively stupid. By having all your skill points and potions unlocked by 60, it would catapult you in to the end game which lets you play more with the builds and would build diversity so you are not shoe horned in to a build early on that doesn't really pan out later.
Sounds like D3 fans are ruling the roost in terms of feedback. Which is fine. As an old fart who would have preferred something closer to D2, I already left D4 for Last Epoch and PoE. D4 can be whatever it wants to be.
I think you're right. D4 is in a good spot and they have shown that they always mess up sweeping changes, if they do this huge things will break...and they've shown it takes 2-3 seasons to fix anything
@@Rhykker But its not fundamentally changing much under the skin... it just makes more sense now lol. Adding the 10 skill points = max level 60, then 200 points of paragon after. It's the same in regards to gameplay.
Pretty sure this change was in the works before this season launched but also like others say it's a minor change you're still getting the same amount of skills and paragon points
Awesome for try hards. A total cluster fuck if you wanna play casually. Both character and difficulty progression feels absolutely fucked for casual players who are not using guides, trying to grind as fast as possible, playing the campaign, etc..From that perspective the game was much better at launch. The reason i think try hards dont notice these issues is because they blast to 100 so quickly it doesn't really matter anyway.
Lets be frank, devs promised we will not have 9 digit damage numbers in d4 compared to d3 however in recent patches we already have builds hitting several or even into tens of millions of damage per hit, repeating diablo 3 ever inflating damage numbers. This is good. Its easier to keep 20 builds hitting for 10 thousand than having 2 builds going into a billion dps while the rest sucking at everything, unable to even kill lilith. Right now, if youi hit for 800k-1,2mil you cant even kill lilith, she will rip u a new hole before u can take her down so you are punished by game design if you want a non - SS level build. This is good
I think this change is just so that casual players feel like they hit level cap and feel satisfied. And so paragon is for endgame and those that want to go further. It’s a psychological thing.
I played 3 seasons and i think only the first one i got far enough to see Paragon system. Game is just too repetitive and shallow. I am no casual i play lots of poe.
@@savic1984 this is a exactly it, it’s repetitive without thought or a lot of long term goals or power and feels like a drag to play for almost everyone and I say this as someone who’s a huge Diablo fan. Games like Path of Exile and Last Epoch just do it better, Blizzard just dropped the ball with its design. We’ll see if D4 ever gets to a place to rival PoE but I don’t think it will
@@savic1984 I’d say it’s casual. They don’t present a lot of skill checks or walls in the game for your build until Uber endgame. I feel like hardcore gamers get tired of the “but wait till you are level 80 bro” mentality a lot of these games have. I want a steady curve with increases in difficulty. Pretty sure that is not their vision. It’s purely a power fantasy game.
its like D3 maybe they will raise it up with future expansions... this time I hope there will be a new one each year with a new class or introducing subclasses
Some of the major complaints I hear from the majority player base is that after 50 it's just an uninteresting grindy loot loop. Max level 60 will likely lessen this issue.
This sure seems like an awful lot of wasted time that could have been spent balancing characters, improving the story, and making the game less boring? Spending months to charge us for the rest of the original game, while taking away features and not fixing issues is just a spit in the face.
I mean, this change is meant to balance characters, improve the story, make the game less boring and add features. Nothing is being taken away. Not sure what your beef is here.
i am really scared. they take so long to get to season 4, where the item progression and damage felt realy good to give up everyting and rework the leveling experience.
It feels like I'm playing D3 in 2012 again. They don't know what to do with D4 and are simply copying the D3 mechanics that made the entire community cry and beg for the creation of D2 Resurrected.
its way too early to get gloomy about it. this only means they're seperating character level and paragon level like in d3 and doesnt in any way mean that the power scaling is going through the roof. infact the level squish literally means the opposite.
@@synistargg2502 I agree, but we can't deny that they are copying the mechanics present in D3 such as crafting, the Great Rifts, several other small details, and now lower levels with higher paragons. Just play some D3 and soon after playing D4, they are becoming more and more similar.
@gabrielhagetv crafting has already been made different from d3 All you had was enchanting I'm d3 and with the last couple seasons with what we've gotten it's very different and they've said they're not done expanding on it as well As for greater rifts, ill agree, however I think the pit is already a better system being attached to the item chase/crafting systems as well as I want to simply say there's nothing wrong with greater rifts tbh. Especially with a raid potentially coming with the xpac. And it's not really higher paragon. It's 10 more levels worth of skill points and the same ammount of paragon. They simply separated the two
@@synistargg2502 Alright then, what you wrote are very personal opinions on how you view the current mechanics of D4. I will refrain from sharing my opinions to avoid an unnecessary debate. My experience, and that of many other players, is not as satisfactory as your positive view of the game. You're not wrong to stand up for what makes you happy, but that doesn't invalidate the rest of the community who are unhappy with D4 and feel like they're still playing D3.
Also speaking of Path of Exile, sending shipment from the harbour is the best way to make loot, just prepare a ship with goods to send, go have fun in maps for 45 minutes and come back. Super simple and worth the investment.
It's like you said in the video, since you started getting paragon points at level 50, the expansion basically gives you "10 additional levels" and probably some more additional skillpoints you can spend in your skill tree. That in itself is not a bad thing. What is worrying, is that the increase in power you still got from level 50 to 100 will most likely be gone. Probably the feeling of power along with it. That will "hurt" for a lot of players and maybe even as a "betrayal", especially since it's such a big change in such a short time. I'm still on the fence when it comes to the timing of these changes and the "lack of communication" regarding these planned changes. If you want to gain trust within your community, i believe you'll want to communicate these plans sooner for something like a live service game. That way you can also collect the feedback from your playerbase before making said changes, rather then "confronting" them with it, see how it goes and revert it if your players don't like it. That will hurt even more... To be perfectly honest, even though the past few seasons have shown a lot of promise for the future, it's news like this and seeing that they are planning an expansion on a yearly basis (even the base game has been released only just over a year ago). It doesn't give me a lot of confidence that things are well thought out, tested and feedback has been processed. So, i'm not planning to purchase the expansion at this time. I need to see what they are planning / doing with the game to determine it that will slowly keep increasing my trust, or if it dips again. Only time will tell.
I think it would be cool if they added a “Knight” class. Then at whatever level you get your class quest. Where you can choose one of two paths. One path takes you down the road of the Paladin and one takes you down the road of the Blood Knight. I really enjoy the Paladin and also the Blood Knight from Diablo immortal.
@@derrickfarbes1805yeah I’ve been watching Mortal Kombat destroy their franchise and Hollyweird destroy the movie industry. I actually think the goal is ruin everything we grew up loving and enjoying. Notice the economy sucks everything is getting more expensive ? They’re trying to create a new way of life where everything sucks.
@@jf2849 The goal isn't to ruin everything you grew up with, it is to milk it for as much money as possible. Ruining it is just an inevitable part of the process, not the goal. You can't continue to milk what you've ruined completely.
This would be insane if we get 10 more skill points as well as way more paragon points. I feel like 10 more skill points would drastically improve the game with more impactful skill tree
Yes, and then they'll fix it very quickly, but people will still complain about it for months because they're impatient, spoiled reactionaries with no understanding of the reality of game development.
@@Adirtan hes got a fair point.. and that type of change probably should be communicated soon or should have already been told to us if this is going to be true which seems quite likely.
It can still take the same amount of time to reach level 60 as 100, as new potions are been able to be crafted at 56, its prob gonna take longer to get to 55-60 than 50 - 55. Get smarter
D4 devs need to improve the tempering. I've gotten to a point where I'm not even happy about getting good items anymore (which is far too rare, by the way) because I've bricked most of them. It's way too frustrating.
They definitely have some algorithm that knows what rolls are optimal for your current character/build and gives you the worst option possible 4x in a row every time
@utewbd Yup. I bricked a ring for my barb because my rouge had the crit damage temper but the barb doesn't...wtf. anyway gave me 4 rolls of the exact same number not a different number of the temper and I ultimately bricked it...
Tempering is horrible purely because it can brick what should be a great item. It amazes me they implemented it and left out the possibility of letting us grind for a consumable that resets the charges. I accept that greater affix items get additional charges, but this doesnt go far enough to fix the issue.
Smaller numbers are better. I play with damage numbers off because it's just too much screen noise when 10,000,000s, 1,000,000s and 100,000s are flying all over the place
I like this change! I've always thought it was weird that we stop leveling up so quickly when we're still doing NM dungeons and other content. I also don't like how large numbers can get in these type of games.
There's a substantial portion of the D4 player base that would see no problem if they started out at lvl 100 and with a full set of competently built gear. This is what happens when an ARPG team reels in CoD players...
@@kennyhouser3467I agree but I think it just boils down to people in an ARPG want to feel super strong from the start. The fantasy is running around like a God just effortlessly destroying everything. A lot of players are pissed if they get killed more than a few times. If they wanted something more challenging they would be playing a souls game.
if they are gonna do an all around damage "nerf" then the expansion is the best time to do it. Basically a number squish the only time you can do it without players getting upset is an expansion. I hope they are doing it too cuz the numbers are getting out of control, they said they were not gonna go the D3 route but we totally are atm.
@@jimmythecrow if that's how you think of it then you don't totally understand what a squish means. You remain the same power, monsters also get squished so it equals out. Just the numbers VISUALLY are smaller. If you need a number to say a billion damage for a dopamine hit then that's a you problem.
My biggest issue with the game is still the campaign level 50 cap, which you can easily hit in Act 2. Pretty sure the DLC will just raise that cap to 60.
Our philosophy is that the the new thing will be OP guaranteed, because new sales is more important than the balance of the rest of the game, is basically what he said
I mean this isn't a bad thing per say, also yes the majority of the community is the d3 community, most of the d2 players are gone, they left back in season 1 and by season 3 were basically gone with a select few of us left. Many kept on with grim dawn, poe, last epoch though its quite the small community even compared to poe.
So instead of making Content, so the lvl60 to 100 Grind is more enjoyable, they just Cut away the later 40 Levels? Thats Just stupid You can basically finish the game in one evening and only have super small changes left that wont have noticable impact on your character
Great job understanding CEO’s who really only care about more money and act otherwise. Very well said Rhykker. I’d have more respect if they just outright said ‘We’re slaves to our money and need you all to maximize our money with excessive more time. Thanks.”
I don't want to be like this honestly... i really like the lvl 100 race because journey is from lvl 1 to 100. With lvl 60 and paragon the journey just "start" at lvl 60.. and it sucks...
I think it is way better put the character level and paragon level as something seperate. In its current version, you are being gatekept by the game system. If you are lower level, you automatically deal less damage to higher level mobs. This way we remove this hurdle earlier, rather than at level 100. The same way you could argue that the journey just starts at lvl 100 now, because only then are you truly the required level to play the content. This is overexaggerated, but I hope you understand my point.
Journey always started at that level because is when max gear score items dropped, anhthing y9u get before was basically meant to be trashed eventually. I believe they shouod remove the cap on paragon at all, same as in D3 let us scale endlessly.
@@grmigrim9834you realize nothing really changes right? You will still need all of the paragon points to be at full power and now there will be paragon requirements instead of level requirements. This is a really bad change
@@DarthMizaru Not really. In s4 the game felt really good from level 1 because we could get almost any unique and all legendaries. With lvl 60 cap leveling will just feel like a pre requisite to start the game. In d3 its like this and i really hate leveling to 70 every season(i still play every d3 season)
I'm wondering if they are going the D3 route where you hit max level then paragon levels are uncapped. That would actually be very nice. It would give me much more to do beyond level cap.
things change all the time during development, if you announce things before you have things finalized or have all the answers then you just get a bunch of people accusing you of lying and breaking promises even if those promises were completely imagined
@@yulfine1688 Why though, what entitlement demands that? It will be at gamescom which is the biggest vent since release so it makes perfect sense to do it there for me, will still be nearly 2 months out from release. What they should have done is kept it hidden better, since people cannot handle waiting.
“I just don’t want to see that happen” This is what happens when you’re too invested in a game. If it sucks play another game. Let them learn not to make stupid mistakes, and if they don’t ever learn oh well, you’re on another game.
Yeah, I'm actually really glad there are competitors. In the past, I was "Oh man Diablo 4 sucks, now I can enjoy Path of Exile", but now I'm actually hating what PoE is doing, so it's nice to have Diablo 4 to my liking currently.
I love the new retaliaton skills, it makes combat way more engaging. Hope they add more condition based skills (only usable after critics? or after stuning an enemy) and more auto casting skills so we can focus more on rotations and placement instead of buffing and blasting with one skill.
I fail to see how you call s4 balance and associate it with progression… failed tempering 9.7 times out of 10 or keep resetting master working to get at least 2 cries on one stat and after 3 months 5h game play a day still haven’t archived that and no one getting close to beating lvl 200 pit (I can go on for days) … none of this is a balanced game with progression and rewarding for the time spent. It’s just mindless attempts against a rigged slot machine…
Failed tempering 9 times out of 10? Jesus man your luck is awful. Or you're exaggerating highly, because no one I've played with even came close to those odds.
@@stonecold5373 why would you think someone spends their time lying exaggerating?.. I actually have visual proof and ppl sitting watching stream for all those endless MW and the bricking of 3GA, one after another. Once it was 7 3GA rings, yes 7.. so nah man just because you are lucky it dosent mean the rest of us are. Most of us just stop playing and don’t make any posts or comments though, I for one am not on off them obviously..
one of the problem with union is, in Canada, hard workers and lazy workers get treated same... imo, it's not fair and makes hard working people doesn't want to work hard... also costs so much more for employers which means laying off employees or the price of the product gets higher.. either way affects customers
I mean yeah you can have lazy workers but at the same time, overworked and under compensated workers will also result in the same product that is subpar. Employees should be getting paid higher wages for the products they create, especially video game developers. Just means that the CEO and management class have to take pay cuts and stop getting million dollar bonuses for the profits that are usually the result of the worker.
Just convenience. Much easier for player to read and programmer with separate levels for skills and paragon. So when the expansion launches you can migrate characters consistently. Otherwise migrating level 50+ characters will result in mixed skill/paragon points for the same level.
Finally. Disconnect Paragon from Character Level was a much welcome change in D3 RoS Pre-Patch and will be good for D4 as well. Finally brings fun to twinking.
Haven't played D4 in around a year and a half now, and so far it looks like exactly what i figured was going to happen has been happening. I was optimistic when it was originally talked about way way back, but once it released i was a bit disappointed to see how close it was to Diablo Immortal. They haven't implimented any of the previous successful mechanics from Diablo 2 or 3, no synergies like from D2 although they did try their hands at a unique synergistic system through the equipment for skills and such. All in all, im still not coming back, but I hope for the players still optimistic and enjoying the content that they are rewarded for their loyalty and patience. Awesome vid Rhykker!
That's my biggest issue with live service games. The devs are so worried about broken builds, exploits, and power creep. But why? People love that shit. It's so fun so just let it happen, within reason of course.
Oh I am loving the hell out of Settlers of Kalgur, it has been the best expansion for Path of Exile for me, I love going around doing the normal dungeon crawl arpg slay enemies stuff and having a village to develop on the side that in turn gives me loot for sending out shipment on boats :D
The Paragon system needs to work like Diablo 3 where you can endlessly gain them to increase your power level as long as you keep playing. It makes no sense to me how I cannot gain any more power or strength no matter how much I play now
Realistically, it's just a number. If it takes 10 hours to currently hit 100, and after the expansion it takes 10 hours to hit level 60, there's no difference. It could show 100, 1000, or 10,000, if it takes 10 hours to hit cap, then you are as powerful at 10 hours as you would be regardless of the level number.
This might be slightly off, as Blizzard actually considers the level "cap" to be 50 right now, ie when you no longer get skill points. It's possible they increase the "internal" level cap and then may or may not even need to expand the secondary level cap. They can just leave it at 100 and give you skill points and paragon points from 51-60.
Thank you for updating us about the unionizing attempts, this is so important, devs deserve protection from bad employers, and even if some unions become a part of the problem, most are definitely needed to prevent worker exploitation. Thank you for supporting us, workers❤ and yeah, level cap 60 just doesn't sit the same as lvl 100, fantasy-wise. This kind of change is honestly not something you should do one year into the game.
They need to fix the bugs i've been getting like not being able to complete some strongholds and my druid getting stuck on nothing and not being able to move.
The change is leveling is probably so that they can further open things up to power creep. By redesigning paragon to be closer to D3, they're essentially opening things up to a more flexible paragon system.
Stat squish was needed . Now there maybe another tier of gear coming . Past ancestral . Sounds like the ground work is being created for 3 more difficulty’s . Whether it’s in the expansion or the season after . Sounds good . I do hope they bring back primal . Make it rare enough to where it’s most likely a Uber for a unique . If that makes sense . And you won’t be able to get it done for a Uber . But it should be possible if someone is lucky enough
I think changes each season is fun. Instead of literally doing the same kind of leveling and character building each season with just a different theme.
If there are fewer steps to get to max level, each time you level should be (and feel like) a bigger step up in power. I'm curious to see how this works out.
All of this means,people on Eternal will suffer the most. With all of massive changes to gear every season, and eternal players losing their gear every few month, they are literally forced to play seasons , which is exactly what blizzard wants.
As someone who played a metric ton of Guild Wars back in the day, I can confidently say that low level caps are perfectly fine as long as there are ways other than leveling to improve your character.
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I wish they squished it more.... Example... I wish bosses had 1k hp and we hit for 20-30. And if we find a weapon that has +4 to damage you can actually see your attack grow to 24-34.
I hate that there are millions and trillions of damage with bosses having multi million hp. It's just dumb to have huge numbers. I'd rather have meaning ful numbers that are easily readable and not this 20% lucky hit chance with two-handed weapons that have 4x multiplicative damage of 10% of your maximum armor that is buffed 8% of your max health when in berserk mode while you swap weapons 6 times you also do 2x multiplicative damage 13% additive of your movement speed bonus.
Like wtf is that?!?! Just let me do "x" damage and my next weapon upgrade has +2 more damage... That's an obvious change and one that can be followed easily.
Shared paragon points like ESO?
I have really enjoy Season 4 if they do another 1.1 update again I will be demanding my money back from the expansion because a total overhaul to the game isn't what I was paying for.
@TheGuyJack1 it's the way the multiplicative work in the damage expressions, without careful forethought, the inflation to those degrees is inevitable, cannot be avoided
Hmmm. Isn't this functionally the same as in the current game? Level 1-50 awards you Skill points for your skill tree. Level 51-100 awards you Paragon point for the Paragon board. (4 paragon points per level or 200 paragon points).
With this change, Level 1-60 will award skill points for your skills (+10 skill points from vanilla). Then instead of Level 61-110 awarding 4 paragon points per level, it will now just be called Paragon Level 1-200.
So, they're just changing the name.
Literally this, they're just splitting up the skill points from the paragon points, tbh probably little easier to read and means that they can expand on them seperately which would be expansions give more skill points and paragon points
Only stats and item requirements will be impacted it seems. I don’t mind. I hate arbitrary numbers personally.
All they're doing is separating paragon and levels so they have an easier and less awkward time adding level increases with expansions. This is entirely for their benefit.
@@Riomasa Same. This also largely eliminates the awkwardness of people killing certain capstone bosses or uber bosses while being 20 levels below them sometimes.
Yes, its just like in diablo immortal cmiiw
Hmm, Diablo 3 released 2012, level cap 60. Reaper of Souls released 2014, level cap increased to 70.
Here we go... 10 level increase every expansion, until a level squish down the line.
That's exactly what I thought as well. 10 extra levels per expansion will be a huge selling point once people get over the squish.
Another level squish likely won't be necessary unless they're planning more than 5 expansions. This is a big level squish that should last for many years, which could easily be the entire lifespan of the game.
thats the exact reason why
I don't think we are getting that many expansions, I suspect one more major expansion maybe 2 at most and then some side stuff. Because drawing out another 2-3 expansions past that is going to be near impossible without causing a lot of upset and issues.
That's World of Warcraft, Diablo 3 didn't do that so I don't think Diablo 4 will. This is an ARPG not an MMO, no matter how hard they tried to skin it as a hybrid. Game is burnt man...
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We can dunk on AAA and “AAAA” all day but that horse is so dead and beat that all I want is for them to stop sucking and make good games. I miss that. Sounds like you do too.
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What saddens me is that getting more powerfull in modern ARPG games means clearing levels more quicker.
But i so much want it to be that getting more powerfull means beating more difficult enemies...
Exactly. There should be a max clear speed that is set from the very beginning when the games comes out. Then everything scales to you and your numbers.
It's not hard to implement. I don't want POE copy, where it's essentially a running simulator and you don't see what you are fighting. You don't pay attention to the world, don't pay attention to the monsters, to the bosses, as you kill them in less than seconds.
Garbage design.
The game is million time better when it's slowed down. Like when you are leveling your character for example, like Diablo 2 was.
I mean... right now max level is 50 if you think about it. It's just a matter of how you split levels between paragon levels and actual levels. I don't think this change would make that much of a difference.
Absolutely. I don't feel any sense of progression past level 49 on a new character. Skill points are what give that feeling, paragon board is, and always will be a totally separate system that has nothing to do with leveling and could just be incorporated as such.
Yeah the way it's currently done is weird. Honestly leveling probably should have stopped at 50 and then you earn paragon as a separate thing.
@@ozzyrulez2008 it’s still leveling you still have to earn them not like at 50 you just get all the paragon points instantly so this change is kinda pointless unless There’s a reason they want to separate it
NO PALLADIN NO BUY
@@SpaceMarineForTheEmpirorOfMan yes we must have paladin.
if grinding for max paragon is the same (lvl 100) then changing max "level" to 60 and doing a stat squish sounds healthier for the game, lfg
We need a world teir 5 in Diablo 4!!
Saying the Stardew valley creator have made more than $10m is definitely an understatement! The game have sold over 30m copies, equaling Diablo 3.
I always thought it was strange the level cap was max right off the bat, when in the past the expansions always increase this.
The bigger question is: why cant the devs think about this ahead of time?
Thinking is not in the budget in this small indie company.
I never understood why they went for all these bloated numbers in diablo 3/4. Having lower numbers like in 1/2 was a lot easier on the mind and eyes.
Big # = Dopamine hit
Fully agree. After playing Enshrouded now for quite a few hours, that game just uses 3 digit damage numbers. And there are mobs, there are elites, there are bosses and it works just fine and its super easy to compare different weapons/skills, since with lower damage numbers its far easier to get an average damage for your build.
@@KrayZieTyler i love the fact i can hit insane damage, it makes things feel better
Same for Borderlands. I never liked seeing dmg in the millions, id rather high end dmg be in the thousands at most
@@KrayZieTyler in general yes, but at some point your mind cannot even handle these numbers anymore. like in the billions and so on another 0 at the end is not nearly as recogniceable as the difference between 100 and 1000, so at least for me that dopamine never worked. But another thing is the scaling affixes in the newer games. In the old games there where some base items in different categories, that had all the same stats - like a sword at lvl 60 would have the same stats when you find it at lvl 100. The only difference where affixes and these where in brackets. Like there wasnt this steady dripfeed progression that somehow needs to be reflected in the numbers.
you could find the best sword in the game at 60 and thats it - no need to replace it ever. But it seems like they wanted to expand the progression so you can upgrade more often (dopamine again?) so stuff scales up tremendously.
i would really like they get away with item power completly, just have normal, sacred and ancestral - all base items have the same stat. Then the affixes only scale in brackets with "item level" like they do now, and a lot of the number creep is gone. Then they can tone down some of the multiplies too - no one needs 80% more fireball damage - why istn''t it 10% more? like 10 items would still double your damage but now your equipment makes it x 100 or even more. It basically demands certain items while you could live with 10% less damage if you are missing one way more easily.
Also the balancing wouldnt be so problematic - right now missing an item that x10 your damage is a big deal - how would you balance your content? fully geared?, then its too hard unless you have perfect quipment, mediocre gear? then world bosses suddenly get oneshot. The number creep is the biggest enemy. It has a reason the classic rpgs used very low numbers eg. DnD
“Robustly tested” rofl And I'm the king of England.
My Lord.
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You would most likely do a better job than a current king of England.
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My Liege
Let's be fair, this is the Diablo 4 community. Of course they're going to be upset about anything less than a complete system overhaul.
17:52 The quote from President Truman is, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the *kitchen*." No one should be in the oven.
I REALLY want to see a class centered around supposrting other players.
It should be a free class, at least not the focused class for a dlc, but it should have basic attack abilities and everything else be tings like healing, buffing, ressurecting and giving special effects.
Appreciate you putting in the work.
Unfortunately, D4 devs are allergic to robust testing.
Probably the Management.
@@Narfmann369 that’s called OT, bud. DaddySoft ain’t putting out the funds for a bunch of devs on a 2nd tier company run up the budget with Overtime!!!! Lol
no we will reciving a 2 months open ptr before the expansion
@Boneyard250 PTR is extremely cost-effective. 3 weeks of PTR would be robust.
@@Boneyard250 Eh, I don't think it's that. I think the issue is more integral. Testers simply cannot catch as many bugs/problems as your entire playerbase can. Now investing in testers MIGHT be logical if players refused to accept a testing/patch process in live by turning away as customers, but people tolerate broken, buggy games with their hard-earned money, so why would a company not take advantage of that system? On the one hand, a small scope of paid testers cannot catch most of the bugs. On the other hand, the playerbase DOES and will keep showing up even if they complain about it.
I always think increasing the level is a good thing, not scrunching it.
I'd bet part of the reasoning with this is new skills on the skill tree, possibly a new cluster, which could allow all character types to be more similar to the new spiritborn. Heck, POE is allowing you to mix and match different play styles/character types so you can be a "tanky/melee/sorcerer" so I'd imagine Blizz is doing the above to allow a barb to utilize some type of "magic" or unique built.
I think Xiansai and Skovos should be part of a single expansion instead of separate ones. Both don't seem large enough to carry an expansion by themselves but I could easily see an expansion where you go to both regions.
Yeah but why sell one expansion when you can sell two expansions? Guaranteed the long run financial plan for the game is to sell as many $40+ content expansions as possible.
@@TheGuitarmageddon Both areas just don’t have enough room to squeeze content into as new regions. While I do agree that fits with what I think the long term plans are, you also need to think about what people are willing to buy. Skovos and Xiansai together would barely be enough to be an expansion, so doing them separately just wouldn’t make sense. Unless they wanted to add smaller bite sized DLCs on par with Nova Covert Ops for SC2 or the Necromancer Pack for D3 I don’t think there’s enough there for both places to be individual DLCs.
Edit: I could see maybe a higher priced episodic DLC like a Travels of Neyrelle type thing where maybe every 2 seasons you get a small chunk of DLC content (about 1/3rd or 1/4th of an act in size.) where you go to Xinsai, Skovos and maybe The Cold Isles we learn about in Diablo Immortal.
I think the biggest issue with them being separate DLCs and Acts is the current Acts and the one we're getting in VoH have such massive areas that a DLC with a third or fourth of the explorable area just wouldn't land well, especially at normal expansion prices.
Omg
Considering how small the expanions appear to be, I'd rather they put out as many as possible. 1 open world area per expansion is just super light in terms of content, if we compare it to the base game.
@@zeriel9148 Just looking at the map, VoH seems pretty massive to me. Content-wise other than the new class and mercenary system it does feel a little lacking but I know there's other features we haven't seen or heard much about like the new maybe raid thing? We'll have to wait and see, then temper expectations based on what we get. I do think that in terms of the major areas of each continent we'll get a proper expansion and decent bit of content but for the island areas like Hawezar and Skovos, I just don't think there would be enough room physically to add enough content to warrant an individual expansion for each. Together though I think they would.
Max level cap being "lowered" to 60 is amazing. It will be functionally the same as the current game, but will make much more sense in the long term assuming the devs will increase the level cap. Besides right now the level cap is basically 50, and they increased it to 60. This is similar to what they've done in WoW. Level cap was 120 after many expansions, and they did a number-squish across the game, level cap became 50, and went up to 60 with Shadowlands.
I'll go further - I think Diablo needs a number squish across the board. It might seem meaningless to most but for me, small numbers, numbers we're familiar with on daily basis have more impact than millions and billions. Since the game's development I wanted let's say. 10k dps to be a crazy high amount. 100k gold to be an insanely high number. I think when equipping a new weapon, when your hits jump from lets say 465'052'102 damage to 784'052'102, that feels less meaningful than when they jump from 465 to 784.
@Rhykker
What if it's a stat squish and the "level reduction" is just to get people into the end game activities more quickly by level 60. I don't believe they are nerfing paragon, that would be massively stupid. By having all your skill points and potions unlocked by 60, it would catapult you in to the end game which lets you play more with the builds and would build diversity so you are not shoe horned in to a build early on that doesn't really pan out later.
Sounds like D3 fans are ruling the roost in terms of feedback. Which is fine. As an old fart who would have preferred something closer to D2, I already left D4 for Last Epoch and PoE. D4 can be whatever it wants to be.
I think you're right. D4 is in a good spot and they have shown that they always mess up sweeping changes, if they do this huge things will break...and they've shown it takes 2-3 seasons to fix anything
Season 4 was awesome... why the hell would we change things now? This seems to risky.
Exactly my concern
@@Rhykker But its not fundamentally changing much under the skin... it just makes more sense now lol. Adding the 10 skill points = max level 60, then 200 points of paragon after. It's the same in regards to gameplay.
Pretty sure this change was in the works before this season launched but also like others say it's a minor change you're still getting the same amount of skills and paragon points
Awesome for try hards. A total cluster fuck if you wanna play casually. Both character and difficulty progression feels absolutely fucked for casual players who are not using guides, trying to grind as fast as possible, playing the campaign, etc..From that perspective the game was much better at launch. The reason i think try hards dont notice these issues is because they blast to 100 so quickly it doesn't really matter anyway.
@@jeffreydhill no it’s not. At all
Lets be frank, devs promised we will not have 9 digit damage numbers in d4 compared to d3 however in recent patches we already have builds hitting several or even into tens of millions of damage per hit, repeating diablo 3 ever inflating damage numbers. This is good. Its easier to keep 20 builds hitting for 10 thousand than having 2 builds going into a billion dps while the rest sucking at everything, unable to even kill lilith. Right now, if youi hit for 800k-1,2mil you cant even kill lilith, she will rip u a new hole before u can take her down so you are punished by game design if you want a non - SS level build. This is good
Getting to 800k to 1.2 mil a hit isn't hard. You can get to that pretty easy by level 100 if you aren't making a shit build
What would be unbelievable is if they add an armory and loot filters, like they get asked all the time
I stoped at season 2 and I can see that I will not regret my decision.
I’m so excited for Diablo 4 the devs have really impressed me with how they have listened to feedback and implemented changes.
I think this change is just so that casual players feel like they hit level cap and feel satisfied. And so paragon is for endgame and those that want to go further. It’s a psychological thing.
Catering to casuals is why this game was/is in the shit state it’s in.
@@TheMythologick lmaoo that is exactly not the reason why, it was just built without a lot of thought for either casual or hardcore players.
I played 3 seasons and i think only the first one i got far enough to see Paragon system. Game is just too repetitive and shallow. I am no casual i play lots of poe.
@@savic1984 this is a exactly it, it’s repetitive without thought or a lot of long term goals or power and feels like a drag to play for almost everyone and I say this as someone who’s a huge Diablo fan. Games like Path of Exile and Last Epoch just do it better, Blizzard just dropped the ball with its design. We’ll see if D4 ever gets to a place to rival PoE but I don’t think it will
@@savic1984 I’d say it’s casual. They don’t present a lot of skill checks or walls in the game for your build until Uber endgame. I feel like hardcore gamers get tired of the “but wait till you are level 80 bro” mentality a lot of these games have. I want a steady curve with increases in difficulty. Pretty sure that is not their vision. It’s purely a power fantasy game.
THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING….
LOUD CAPSLOCK NOICES IMPLIES THAT I AM RIGHT
its like D3 maybe they will raise it up with future expansions... this time I hope there will be a new one each year with a new class or introducing subclasses
That would be incredibly dumb. This is an ARPG not an MMO
@@hotpancakes9814 how is one dlc a year dumb for this type of game dumb?
Dumb why? Why would new Expansion would be bad for ARPG yearly? This is not Diablo 2 ARPG.
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@@clintcook8691 I’m talking about level cap increases.
@@clintcook8691 because its not an mmo. Diablo 2 had 2 expansions and is still the best arpg to date
Some of the major complaints I hear from the majority player base is that after 50 it's just an uninteresting grindy loot loop. Max level 60 will likely lessen this issue.
Blizzard does excel at fine tuning a product to the point people are happy, then completely throwing it all away for something new.
This sure seems like an awful lot of wasted time that could have been spent balancing characters, improving the story, and making the game less boring?
Spending months to charge us for the rest of the original game, while taking away features and not fixing issues is just a spit in the face.
You can say that about any dlc or expansion for any game
I mean, this change is meant to balance characters, improve the story, make the game less boring and add features. Nothing is being taken away. Not sure what your beef is here.
i am really scared. they take so long to get to season 4, where the item progression and damage felt realy good to give up everyting and rework the leveling experience.
It feels like I'm playing D3 in 2012 again. They don't know what to do with D4 and are simply copying the D3 mechanics that made the entire community cry and beg for the creation of D2 Resurrected.
So true, this is really bad...
its way too early to get gloomy about it. this only means they're seperating character level and paragon level like in d3 and doesnt in any way mean that the power scaling is going through the roof. infact the level squish literally means the opposite.
@@synistargg2502 I agree, but we can't deny that they are copying the mechanics present in D3 such as crafting, the Great Rifts, several other small details, and now lower levels with higher paragons. Just play some D3 and soon after playing D4, they are becoming more and more similar.
@gabrielhagetv crafting has already been made different from d3
All you had was enchanting I'm d3 and with the last couple seasons with what we've gotten it's very different and they've said they're not done expanding on it as well
As for greater rifts, ill agree, however I think the pit is already a better system being attached to the item chase/crafting systems as well as I want to simply say there's nothing wrong with greater rifts tbh. Especially with a raid potentially coming with the xpac. And it's not really higher paragon. It's 10 more levels worth of skill points and the same ammount of paragon. They simply separated the two
@@synistargg2502 Alright then, what you wrote are very personal opinions on how you view the current mechanics of D4. I will refrain from sharing my opinions to avoid an unnecessary debate. My experience, and that of many other players, is not as satisfactory as your positive view of the game. You're not wrong to stand up for what makes you happy, but that doesn't invalidate the rest of the community who are unhappy with D4 and feel like they're still playing D3.
Also speaking of Path of Exile, sending shipment from the harbour is the best way to make loot, just prepare a ship with goods to send, go have fun in maps for 45 minutes and come back.
Super simple and worth the investment.
Really bad advice unless you want to earn 5c/h.
Totally agree, that's what we do with our bois, I love this league, insanely fun.
@@Diopside. 2 additional clicks are insane fun?;D
@@motherpigeon1582 I don't get ur point, game is more depth and complex, they tuned down complexity the way I wanted.
@@Diopside. This is complex game?;D It is more complex than some titles certainly but it is not complex.
It's like you said in the video, since you started getting paragon points at level 50, the expansion basically gives you "10 additional levels" and probably some more additional skillpoints you can spend in your skill tree. That in itself is not a bad thing. What is worrying, is that the increase in power you still got from level 50 to 100 will most likely be gone. Probably the feeling of power along with it. That will "hurt" for a lot of players and maybe even as a "betrayal", especially since it's such a big change in such a short time. I'm still on the fence when it comes to the timing of these changes and the "lack of communication" regarding these planned changes. If you want to gain trust within your community, i believe you'll want to communicate these plans sooner for something like a live service game. That way you can also collect the feedback from your playerbase before making said changes, rather then "confronting" them with it, see how it goes and revert it if your players don't like it. That will hurt even more...
To be perfectly honest, even though the past few seasons have shown a lot of promise for the future, it's news like this and seeing that they are planning an expansion on a yearly basis (even the base game has been released only just over a year ago). It doesn't give me a lot of confidence that things are well thought out, tested and feedback has been processed. So, i'm not planning to purchase the expansion at this time. I need to see what they are planning / doing with the game to determine it that will slowly keep increasing my trust, or if it dips again.
Only time will tell.
I think it would be cool if they added a “Knight” class. Then at whatever level you get your class quest. Where you can choose one of two paths. One path takes you down the road of the Paladin and one takes you down the road of the Blood Knight. I really enjoy the Paladin and also the Blood Knight from Diablo immortal.
Is it April?
Lots of good info. great job this week sir
Surely the reason we've gotten so many games like Suicide Squad in recent years is because developers are "tired".
To much caring about money instead of making a fun game
Tired it’s there job if that’s the case I’m tired shit 😂
@@derrickfarbes1805yeah I’ve been watching Mortal Kombat destroy their franchise and Hollyweird destroy the movie industry. I actually think the goal is ruin everything we grew up loving and enjoying. Notice the economy sucks everything is getting more expensive ? They’re trying to create a new way of life where everything sucks.
@@jf2849 The goal isn't to ruin everything you grew up with, it is to milk it for as much money as possible. Ruining it is just an inevitable part of the process, not the goal. You can't continue to milk what you've ruined completely.
I had fun playing Suicide Squad tho until it got boring. God awful cosmetics and wokeness makes it hard to pick up again for season 2.
Blizzard has found a way to add an expansion but still water down & simplify the game. Incredible work.
This would be insane if we get 10 more skill points as well as way more paragon points. I feel like 10 more skill points would drastically improve the game with more impactful skill tree
Knowing blizzard they gonna screw it up
ok bro
Yes, and then they'll fix it very quickly, but people will still complain about it for months because they're impatient, spoiled reactionaries with no understanding of the reality of game development.
@@Adirtan hes got a fair point.. and that type of change probably should be communicated soon or should have already been told to us if this is going to be true which seems quite likely.
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Not a fan of the change. It has never been hard to reach 100 and still felt like an achievement.
It can still take the same amount of time to reach level 60 as 100, as new potions are been able to be crafted at 56, its prob gonna take longer to get to 55-60 than 50 - 55. Get smarter
Except for everyone for whom it was hard and didn't feel like an appreciable difference
D4 devs need to improve the tempering. I've gotten to a point where I'm not even happy about getting good items anymore (which is far too rare, by the way) because I've bricked most of them. It's way too frustrating.
They definitely have some algorithm that knows what rolls are optimal for your current character/build and gives you the worst option possible 4x in a row every time
@utewbd Yup. I bricked a ring for my barb because my rouge had the crit damage temper but the barb doesn't...wtf. anyway gave me 4 rolls of the exact same number not a different number of the temper and I ultimately bricked it...
@@utewbd my god people think they've found a new conspiracy every time they take a shit
Tempering is horrible purely because it can brick what should be a great item. It amazes me they implemented it and left out the possibility of letting us grind for a consumable that resets the charges. I accept that greater affix items get additional charges, but this doesnt go far enough to fix the issue.
@@Elidan1012 yeah a trillionaire media conglomerate definitely would never design systems to retain players and boost play time, wild
Smaller numbers are better. I play with damage numbers off because it's just too much screen noise when 10,000,000s, 1,000,000s and 100,000s are flying all over the place
I like this change! I've always thought it was weird that we stop leveling up so quickly when we're still doing NM dungeons and other content. I also don't like how large numbers can get in these type of games.
I wouldn't mind if the paragon system worked more like 3.
Agreed. I'd really like to 'infinitely' level. (even if those levels don't mean anything)
@@Xaminn Same here its just the satisfying part of people can see how much you play and it feels rewarding to see it
I cannot believe there are actually people in support of the D3 paragon system. The infinite paragon leveling is literally the worst part about D3.
Oh yeah, the leaderboard is full of Chinese bots with 7k paragon in just 2-3 weeks from the start of the season - incredibly cool system
Then go play Diablo 3
I replayed it 2 months ago and got lvl 100 in a few days... Its not as grindy as at launch so Im surprised its still too much for some ppl
People just love to bitch about everything they find inconvenient for them.
yeah its not that bad.. it takes a couple weeks maybe at most if you're slow
There's a substantial portion of the D4 player base that would see no problem if they started out at lvl 100 and with a full set of competently built gear. This is what happens when an ARPG team reels in CoD players...
@@kennyhouser3467 Yup. Some of them act like they are forced to play the game.
@@kennyhouser3467I agree but I think it just boils down to people in an ARPG want to feel super strong from the start. The fantasy is running around like a God just effortlessly destroying everything. A lot of players are pissed if they get killed more than a few times. If they wanted something more challenging they would be playing a souls game.
if they are gonna do an all around damage "nerf" then the expansion is the best time to do it. Basically a number squish the only time you can do it without players getting upset is an expansion. I hope they are doing it too cuz the numbers are getting out of control, they said they were not gonna go the D3 route but we totally are atm.
squish numbers, gain back your levels in the expansions. Pretty lame, paying for power once again
D3 was trashy & they should not follow it's history
Agreed
@@jimmythecrow if that's how you think of it then you don't totally understand what a squish means.
You remain the same power, monsters also get squished so it equals out. Just the numbers VISUALLY are smaller. If you need a number to say a billion damage for a dopamine hit then that's a you problem.
@@1ButtonDash no but the idea of expanions or dlc to increase lvl cap is there, not that I can see another 4 expansions or dlcs.. one maybe two..
My biggest issue with the game is still the campaign level 50 cap, which you can easily hit in Act 2.
Pretty sure the DLC will just raise that cap to 60.
I want the Monk back or something similar to that archetype.
Our philosophy is that the the new thing will be OP guaranteed, because new sales is more important than the balance of the rest of the game, is basically what he said
More and more it feels like the D4 team just keeps ripping off D3 like they cant come up with things for themselves.
I mean this isn't a bad thing per say, also yes the majority of the community is the d3 community, most of the d2 players are gone, they left back in season 1 and by season 3 were basically gone with a select few of us left.
Many kept on with grim dawn, poe, last epoch though its quite the small community even compared to poe.
That’s because it is almost impossible to cater to the huge D3 community, D2 boomers, and PoE players at the same time.
@@scrubdub4792 D2 boomers? They're called millennials sir, I know cause I am one lol
D3 is a property of diablo....so why is it bad that they're taking good ideas from Diablo games. Dumb comment.
@@therealdoobs5655 Ops haha, didnt mean to offend anyone, i’ll refer to the D2 community as uncs next time🙏🏻👍
Rhykker, make them stop, please... bringing a new, lower level cap is so astonishingly stupid I'm in denial
So glad I never bothered to max level my character
Big ups for covering the Bethesda Union!
So instead of making Content, so the lvl60 to 100 Grind is more enjoyable, they just Cut away the later 40 Levels?
Thats Just stupid
You can basically finish the game in one evening and only have super small changes left that wont have noticable impact on your character
Unless they slow down xp a lot.
very few people are hitting 100 in a day.. most take a few weeks.. even when I really farmed I didn't hit 100 in a day or even close..
Great job understanding CEO’s who really only care about more money and act otherwise. Very well said Rhykker. I’d have more respect if they just outright said ‘We’re slaves to our money and need you all to maximize our money with excessive more time. Thanks.”
I don't want to be like this honestly... i really like the lvl 100 race because journey is from lvl 1 to 100. With lvl 60 and paragon the journey just "start" at lvl 60.. and it sucks...
I think it is way better put the character level and paragon level as something seperate. In its current version, you are being gatekept by the game system. If you are lower level, you automatically deal less damage to higher level mobs. This way we remove this hurdle earlier, rather than at level 100. The same way you could argue that the journey just starts at lvl 100 now, because only then are you truly the required level to play the content. This is overexaggerated, but I hope you understand my point.
Journey always started at that level because is when max gear score items dropped, anhthing y9u get before was basically meant to be trashed eventually. I believe they shouod remove the cap on paragon at all, same as in D3 let us scale endlessly.
It does suck and no one wants this. Its so stupid
@@grmigrim9834you realize nothing really changes right? You will still need all of the paragon points to be at full power and now there will be paragon requirements instead of level requirements. This is a really bad change
@@DarthMizaru Not really. In s4 the game felt really good from level 1 because we could get almost any unique and all legendaries. With lvl 60 cap leveling will just feel like a pre requisite to start the game. In d3 its like this and i really hate leveling to 70 every season(i still play every d3 season)
I'm wondering if they are going the D3 route where you hit max level then paragon levels are uncapped. That would actually be very nice. It would give me much more to do beyond level cap.
rhykker with the massive W take on unions. mad respect
Why blizzard doesn't tell all that stuff already?
Too many speculations... it's really annoying
I think it’s like revealing multiple seasons at the same time, it’ll be no fun 🤔
The game isn't out, can't just blow you marketing load in one go. Then they would have nothing to show for months.
things change all the time during development, if you announce things before you have things finalized or have all the answers then you just get a bunch of people accusing you of lying and breaking promises even if those promises were completely imagined
@@Cameron-fk5fk no but this is pretty sizeable and is something that should be communicated to the players earlier on..
@@yulfine1688 Why though, what entitlement demands that? It will be at gamescom which is the biggest vent since release so it makes perfect sense to do it there for me, will still be nearly 2 months out from release. What they should have done is kept it hidden better, since people cannot handle waiting.
“I just don’t want to see that happen”
This is what happens when you’re too invested in a game. If it sucks play another game. Let them learn not to make stupid mistakes, and if they don’t ever learn oh well, you’re on another game.
Facts
blizzard will use and abuse these idiots lol
Yeah, I'm actually really glad there are competitors. In the past, I was "Oh man Diablo 4 sucks, now I can enjoy Path of Exile", but now I'm actually hating what PoE is doing, so it's nice to have Diablo 4 to my liking currently.
Imo just play something else. Pretty damn easy to walk away from D4 for awhile.
Also d4 is transforming to d3
world of diablocraft rather ^^
How ? by mechanics? what about the graphics? the open world? mounts we have? you forgot this "small" things?
@@masonhugsan229Let them be, dudes see a single small similarity and immediately start talking nonsense
@@MilanVoorhees Single similarity? lol
I love the new retaliaton skills, it makes combat way more engaging. Hope they add more condition based skills (only usable after critics? or after stuning an enemy) and more auto casting skills so we can focus more on rotations and placement instead of buffing and blasting with one skill.
Wondering if 1-60 will be just like 1-100?? Bold idea of them pretty much changing the level/paragon system so soon.
I fail to see how you call s4 balance and associate it with progression… failed tempering 9.7 times out of 10 or keep resetting master working to get at least 2 cries on one stat and after 3 months 5h game play a day still haven’t archived that and no one getting close to beating lvl 200 pit (I can go on for days) … none of this is a balanced game with progression and rewarding for the time spent. It’s just mindless attempts against a rigged slot machine…
Failed tempering 9 times out of 10? Jesus man your luck is awful. Or you're exaggerating highly, because no one I've played with even came close to those odds.
@@stonecold5373 why would you think someone spends their time lying exaggerating?.. I actually have visual proof and ppl sitting watching stream for all those endless MW and the bricking of 3GA, one after another. Once it was 7 3GA rings, yes 7.. so nah man just because you are lucky it dosent mean the rest of us are. Most of us just stop playing and don’t make any posts or comments though, I for one am not on off them obviously..
Level cap is NOT being reduced. Dont believe this BS
one of the problem with union is, in Canada, hard workers and lazy workers get treated same... imo, it's not fair and makes hard working people doesn't want to work hard... also costs so much more for employers which means laying off employees or the price of the product gets higher.. either way affects customers
I mean yeah you can have lazy workers but at the same time, overworked and under compensated workers will also result in the same product that is subpar. Employees should be getting paid higher wages for the products they create, especially video game developers. Just means that the CEO and management class have to take pay cuts and stop getting million dollar bonuses for the profits that are usually the result of the worker.
Just convenience. Much easier for player to read and programmer with separate levels for skills and paragon. So when the expansion launches you can migrate characters consistently. Otherwise migrating level 50+ characters will result in mixed skill/paragon points for the same level.
Finally. Disconnect Paragon from Character Level was a much welcome change in D3 RoS Pre-Patch and will be good for D4 as well. Finally brings fun to twinking.
Haven't played D4 in around a year and a half now, and so far it looks like exactly what i figured was going to happen has been happening.
I was optimistic when it was originally talked about way way back, but once it released i was a bit disappointed to see how close it was to Diablo Immortal.
They haven't implimented any of the previous successful mechanics from Diablo 2 or 3, no synergies like from D2 although they did try their hands at a unique synergistic system through the equipment for skills and such.
All in all, im still not coming back, but I hope for the players still optimistic and enjoying the content that they are rewarded for their loyalty and patience.
Awesome vid Rhykker!
I have no issue with whatever level cap they want
Why does Blizzard not bother to get some of the streamers on board for the testing stages? They would find balance issues so much easier
That's my biggest issue with live service games. The devs are so worried about broken builds, exploits, and power creep. But why? People love that shit. It's so fun so just let it happen, within reason of course.
Oh I am loving the hell out of Settlers of Kalgur, it has been the best expansion for Path of Exile for me, I love going around doing the normal dungeon crawl arpg slay enemies stuff and having a village to develop on the side that in turn gives me loot for sending out shipment on boats :D
It will be an unbelievable change if damage numbers are no longer MASSIVE
If Rod enjoys the OP feeling of breaking the game, he should try POE. The countless caps in D4 completely prevent that from happening.
The Paragon system needs to work like Diablo 3 where you can endlessly gain them to increase your power level as long as you keep playing. It makes no sense to me how I cannot gain any more power or strength no matter how much I play now
Realistically, it's just a number. If it takes 10 hours to currently hit 100, and after the expansion it takes 10 hours to hit level 60, there's no difference. It could show 100, 1000, or 10,000, if it takes 10 hours to hit cap, then you are as powerful at 10 hours as you would be regardless of the level number.
This might be slightly off, as Blizzard actually considers the level "cap" to be 50 right now, ie when you no longer get skill points. It's possible they increase the "internal" level cap and then may or may not even need to expand the secondary level cap. They can just leave it at 100 and give you skill points and paragon points from 51-60.
Thank you for updating us about the unionizing attempts, this is so important, devs deserve protection from bad employers, and even if some unions become a part of the problem, most are definitely needed to prevent worker exploitation. Thank you for supporting us, workers❤ and yeah, level cap 60 just doesn't sit the same as lvl 100, fantasy-wise. This kind of change is honestly not something you should do one year into the game.
One of the biggest issues I have with diablo 4 is after lvl100 it's only gear related and not worth playing after that
They need to fix the bugs i've been getting like not being able to complete some strongholds and my druid getting stuck on nothing and not being able to move.
Oh my god it feels like D3 again, the builds have variety and I wanna get back to grinding again!
If we get 10+ skill points that would be huge for some classes
The change is leveling is probably so that they can further open things up to power creep. By redesigning paragon to be closer to D3, they're essentially opening things up to a more flexible paragon system.
This doesn't bother me. The levels do not matter as long as paragons are on their own exp counter.
As soon as they said that 100 was max level in d4 I knew before the first expansion, we were getting a level squish.
Stat squish was needed . Now there maybe another tier of gear coming . Past ancestral . Sounds like the ground work is being created for 3 more difficulty’s .
Whether it’s in the expansion or the season after .
Sounds good . I do hope they bring back primal . Make it rare enough to where it’s most likely a Uber for a unique . If that makes sense .
And you won’t be able to get it done for a Uber . But it should be possible if someone is lucky enough
I think changes each season is fun. Instead of literally doing the same kind of leveling and character building each season with just a different theme.
If there are fewer steps to get to max level, each time you level should be (and feel like) a bigger step up in power. I'm curious to see how this works out.
If the level cap is at 60 and we have tempering and masterworking I think they want you focus on tempenpering and masterworking
All of this means,people on Eternal will suffer the most.
With all of massive changes to gear every season, and eternal players losing their gear every few month, they are literally forced to play seasons , which is exactly what blizzard wants.
As someone who played a metric ton of Guild Wars back in the day, I can confidently say that low level caps are perfectly fine as long as there are ways other than leveling to improve your character.