Ah, i forget this. Just because she's a Defensive Operator, don't think that her damage is not good. Her DPS can be higher and lower than Surtr depending on enemy's RES. You can check here for details. drive.google.com/file/d/1cDOMg9noK6SQLlUewQOADSKv3ACnkOJv/view?usp=drive_link Also, maybe people were disappointed because she wasn't like the boss version. I feel the same way a bit, but I'm sure if you like her you'll have fun to play with her.
she was not even a boss. She was an elite enemy but even so at this point she didn’t have the power of the candle knight guild. I would say for no candle knight guild empowering her this is pretty good
Thank you for providing some positivity in what Viviana can do instead of jumping in with the nonsense hate she's been getting nonstop. If only more people would actually play with her instead of constantly posting about how 'incapable' she is.
She's a survival dps operator so comparing her to pure dps like surtr is kinda unfair actually, happy to see a vid that showcase both her survival and dps ability
You know how it is, only coomers like to compare two operators that don’t even do the same thing. I swear, I want to slap the people who compare Thorns with Typhoon. Just because they both have a skill that is permanently active the second time activation, doesn’t mean they’re the same. Typhoon literally target two enemies and if there’s only one, she shoot both bolt at the same target, can stun and her whole archetype and talent literally all about her being the best at killing high defence enemies compared to to others. While Thorns is more like a lane holder that can probably survive on his own if there are downtimes between enemies so he can activate his regeneration talents. His other passive of poison that also double damage on aerial enemies just scream lane holding capabilities against both land and air targets.
Either skill 2 or skill 3 should be unlimited duration after the second activation. They feel like caring too much bout powercreep on vivi and surtr that they end up with mid one
I really hate how Surtr is such an op piece of junk she skews the perception of any other arts guard who isn't as wildly overtuned as her into being deemed bad cuz they have an actually healthy kit
I don't even think she is that OP to begin with. Surtr couldn't do what Viviana does in this Showcase without 7 or 8 healers. Here he doesn't even use a real healer but Viviana benefits a lot from Sanctuary while Surtr's life drain is not affected by it at all. Surtr is just braindead plonk down and dps a ton, but on a short cycle since eventually she dies. Surtr is like a fast Redeploy but without the "fast" part, which is why I never really use her.
@@Gorden121 yh but u can see what I mean, she's got a cracked kit that is (usually) shining way brighter than others in her class n it has a negative effect on the perception of other operators
Yeah, its too bad that HG needs to change a lot of things to compensate for how surtr broke the game (Multi phase bosses, long invincibility phase, debuff infliction attack, etc) Its just that, most old stages are designed with "wave attack" design and most of the times, you can stall these waves a little bit to fit it with surtr redeployment. She is just that broken, lol.
It’s not a problem with surtr, it’s a problem with the people involved in the discussion. People can’t wrap their head around the fact that surtr isn’t a conventional arts guard, she passively kills herself. It’s like comparing fia to w, just because their the same archetype doesn’t mean they have the same role or function. Also, i wouldn’t regard viviana as a healthy kit because she costs the same as most single target casters without the cc, range or res ignore that makes most of them good. She has a function that heavily plays into the arts guard’s single blocking ability but that’s not a particularly useful function to have compared the mostima, lin and passenger.
Although the comparison between Viviana and Surtr ultimately 'ended' because of a certain someones 20 RES ignore. It is funny how even with that talent, Viviana seems to be winning in terms of damage when it comes to comparing their S1 or S2 against low-mid RES enemies, and the main disadvantage with her S3 is because of the attack interval increase. Even then, she can survive pretty well due to the stat buffs to activate her skill again without much help while still managing to deal great Arts damage in the process. Safe to say that she really isn't bad despite her defensive kit. Nice showcase! ✨ Another thing, what's the song name? It sounds really good. 💖
@@file17462 i think there's so much operator with massive damage. so they're using brute force to break the stage. Even the not need to use healer or defender. That makes Viviana outshade because she's defensive operators.
I mean vivianas shield exists for no reason and her s3 has a second cast mechanic for no reason too. She has stupid flaws that has no upsides whatsoever and her dueling potential is powercrept to oblivion by any helidrop or Zuo lee
So, if you have Surtr and Likes Viviana and want to build her as Well. This is one of the Situations you can take into Consideration. While your Surtr can pulverize anyth around the Battlefield with her S3. Viviana can stay as a Stationary Unit, specially if you need someone who can do a Nice Amount of Arts Damage without having to be retreated after a while. It may be as Specific with her Shield only protecting her against Melee Attacks that can only SOMETIMES be triggered depending on your Enemy ASPD as well. Even if this Talent has a Certain Niche, it does the Job pretty well... She's not from the Candle Knight Guild anymore, right? Still, i wish that at least her S3 attacks dealt AoE Arts damage somehow, with her ASPD being two ranks higher than Regular Splash Casters, if Surtr was Guard Ifrit, Viviana could our Guard Splash Caster. I thought would that would be cool if she could send those bombs of fire sometimes or as a Last Attack, just so weaker mobs didn't interrupt her sparring with the Elite or Boss. If i had to point out the Main Problem with Viviana, is that HG makes her Kit like if she was a Buffed Astesia, with so much Drawbacks that makes her Skills and Talents don't synergize with her as a whole, that it makes looks like she, one of the most expected former NPC in the game, was a Random 6★ with the Value of a 5.5★. It isn't Viviana's Fault, Hypergryph just maked her so Dirty.
To be fair to Surtr she also have skill2 if you really want her to stay on the field. It doesn't help with survivability like Vivi's, but it does more DMG, adds a bit of range and also have multitarget. If she's not getting hit Surtr s2 is perfectly fine field skill, just overshadowed by her humongous s3.
@@gargutz907 Oh yeah, there's that too. I don't know for sure her Skill 2 by head because i don't have her yet. XD But most probably get at least the job done, even with E1, she's already able to Ignore some Res.
@@gargutz907 Biggest downside for Viviana s3 to Surtr s3 is lack of multi-target with res shred. But I think Surtr on single target is overshadowed by Texas the Omertosa s2 doing similar DPS with res shred+uncomparably cheaper, as long as Boss doesn't hit back. I guess you can also deploy Texas as well to help Viviana compete? Either way, the video we are commenting under, Surtr couldn't replace Vivi, so there's a niche
@@tteqhu I literally commented on the comment about field presence and how Surtr is only s3 unit and not on the video itself. And I didn't even touch Vivi. Just that Surtr has a forgotten s2 and can play as a field unit if you really want. That's some EN can't read moment from you.
A bit late watching this but I appreciate how you showcase the usage of Viviana, I still kinda rarely use her despite already maxing her. This run really gives me a good insight about her mechanic Also nice choice of music 🔥🔥🔥
“If an operator does not receive unlimited immortality and the ability to instantly destroy an enemy regardless of position with the press of one button, this operator is garbage” - arknights community
Well, there is opposite problem as well. Telling everyone that mid operator isn't that bad comparing to meta cuz he can do something "actually not unique" and everyone should build him is another form of blindness which leads to disservice to community. As for this video - that's more of Quercus showcase tbh, and it doesn't actually favour Vivi, cuz Mousse exists.
The one thing that really bothers me in her kit is the Shield Talent Having it be a Max Stack of 1 just feels like it’s itching for a Module Personally I’m hoping for a Mod that’ll increase the Shield Chance & Max Stack, Just feels like a missed opportunity to not get multiple shields with her Triple Attacks on S3 Instead her Mod will probably just be a Boring stat increase on Talent 1 and some Mid Base Mod to prevent the possibility of Surtr getting something good 😞
@@ahmadalvan8578 I meant during her downtime. So whenever she couldn't kill an enemy with one skill activation, Quercus can keep her alive while charging her skill until she can activate it again
I've been using viviana to speedrun manfest break with 3 and 4 star unit and i must say she isn't bad at all, sure she's not surtr, she need preparation for her 3rd skill but she shred that bulky joe from manfest break+jasselton. If you need a stationary unit to fight some melee bulky joe, she's the one.
About why Viviana lose the Explosion attack, lets just think that since she left kazimier, the Candle Knightclub banned her from using their signature attack. Also think about it, those explosion are arts damage, its AoE, and take a long ahh time to charge... Dont you think its just much worse if Vivi ends up as an AoE caster? About her damage and defensive ability... Well... Lets just say, she isnt a good match to the current general gameplay. Iirc, all stage uses wave pattern for enemy spawn and despite vivi's fast S3 rotation, her skill cycle is a little bit misaligned to most stage waves (which spawn one or a few elites together with some mobs) on top of her S3 single block + single target. Also, as long as a stage can just be surtrd, vivi's stock will always be lower (oh deer, how sad) So vivi is good, its just she is unfortunate because she doesnt really fit the pace of most stages (i mean, ever since i got typhon i realized that the entire IS4, lots of IS3, and many other stages have the perfect typhon S2 tiles its just funny. Part of why she is so meta, on top of her thicc damage)
@@salesberuang4448 nah, dude. That was totally a head canon, i have yet to see an actual solid evidence as to why vivi never use her explosion attack (i have yet to read zwillingsturme, even). It was all an assumption. Also, regarding her shield, if you remember how Vivi vs The Radiant Knight duel back at nearl light went, Vivi can Completely block some attack from Margaret, despite said attack being very hard physical or even downright true damage (based on nearl alter). So her shield being able to "block one instances of melee attack" might be alluding to that fight. I have yet to see someone testing vivi's shield against true damage (both because of how rare we get melee true damage from enemies, and having vivi's shield up against it) but from the wording we can safely assume that she can block a hit of any kind of melee damage, even a oneshot of10K damage in a single attack. Really, Viviana is all in all the definition of the balanced operator. Her S2 only have half of astesia +atk%, only have 20% chance of doing a good damage, eat away at her shield, yet have defense comparable to a defender (~1000 def). Her actual S3 needs 47 seconds* of activation and increase her atk interval but her shield talent are nearly guaranteed and she become very tanky against both physical and arts damage. I mean, just read gamepress. It perfectly summarizes all the cons that people held against her, and i agree with it.
@@vanzeralltheway8638 Hmm... i see.. Good to hear that, even if that is just an assumption. I only read stories about what I am interested with. I don't have much time to read them all. If Viviana's shield same as Mudrock that mean she can also block true damage and yeah, I also have not to check it. Talulah Black Snake slash is also count as true damage, but it's written as ranged boss. I don't know if it's work or not. However, Viviana still can block "Free"'s explosive skill even that boss is indicated as a ranged boss.
Then, imagine you have infinite Surtr with Single Target and multi-hit. You can also get an unlimited shield, permanent 40 RES, and Guard with defender spice. Surtr Simper will be crying to see this.
I have surtr, but I definitely wanted Viviana more, probably because she's actually interesting, rather than being an over the top arts dps that ignores a bit of RES and usually being the main thing to compare with whenever a similar operator got released, which is a reason I disliked surtr
Surtr has and I quote *"IGNORE"* res towards enemies while Candleknight Viviana doesn't. I don't understand why people kept comparing the defensive dps Viviana with an operator that can just nuke the boss if possible in 30 secs. It's not fair
Pinned comments are important, you should read it. Not every person can understand how to calculate damage, they're also misunderstood about Viviana's damage. They think that Viviana's damage is small just because she doesn't have "IGNORE" res. Comparing damage is important for viewer, so they can imagine how much Viviana's damage based on Surtr as a benchmark. I don't understand why everyone is protesting just because I compared 2 operators with the same archetype.
Sorry for my mistake, but I typed this comment not to berate you or anything. I typed this comment for the people who'd still compare one operator to another. Forgive me for my mistakes
@@adamdaniel6915 Ah, me too. Sorry for misunderstanding. I also compare them but it's only as a reference. Most of them is a metaslave who think they should choose one operator who the best and that operator usually is damage dealers. But badly, they think that the rest is trash just because Viviana has defensive kit and not simple as surtr.
Like in the video you need more buff to get her that tank, the fact is she really weak to be honest. She cant tank as her role, her up time before second S3 is alot, the talent 1 is not a game changing factor and for newbie she is really worst because her talent and her skill is really weak early on. I really dont know why some people said Surtr is the way too OP and it unfair for Viviana. Like Surtr is 9/10 and Viviana is 5/10 and you say because Surtr is 9/10 so everyone dont know how strong is 5/10 Operator is. With me, for a six star operator Viviana is really worst to have. That doesnt mean Viviana is weak, she just have so much weakness and it make me unhappy about it, I think they gonna give her a really nice module in the future, maybe a module give more Res/Def or even Res penetrate to make her useful like how they buff Thorns in CN. Oh yeah Im not a "Viviana hater" I just want a more objective perspective, Thank you for understanding my subjective opinions.
I'm really surprised you don't get anything after watching this. Her job is not a tank, I'm doing this to prove that she can survive from Steam Knight attack only with small amount of healer. Steam Knight is one of boss with the most horrible attack in arknights after Patriot and Clip. Most of guard will die easily, even your defender. So, the conclusion is She can survive very easily against another enemy weaker than Steam Knight. I'm not accepting that value. In my eyes, Surtr and Viviana have same value since I can measure their potential and damage. Surtr with her damage and multitarget, Viviana and her survival ability are able to stay in battle for long. Not everyone can see this because they're playing offensively. Arknights balancing is suck, they're very easily released ops with offensive type while not give chance for defensive type to shine. You even not need to take defender or healer if you can do brute force.
Oh I got what you mean, my comment above is just I want to make it clear for people who think that Viviana is good or something like that. Thank you for the Arguments.
@@phananz732 Trust me. No one will happy when you said Viviana is worst, and what your purpose in forbidding someone to say that Viviana is good? They just want to play with their favorite character. You look like a villain character who doesn't want everyone happy.
ppl talking trash about her cause unlike absolutely wrong and unbalanced operator with 8 secs of immortality and res ignore she s just balanced and can t do broken nosense thing like surtr
@@pekoV I have enough with dumb opinions. 25 SP is very cheap for Vivi who have damage like Surtr but single target, she also have bulky DEF and RES. Why do people always decline her? You're just too lazy and choose surtr with her instant skill. I made this review neutrally. I'm not siding with Surtr or Vivi. At least respect me with comments that make sense and can be justified. Give your opinion as a general player, not as a meta user who always looks at other operators like trash. Also, Vivi's skillset is duelist not a laneholder but you can use her as landholder if you want.
@@salesberuang4448 Lack of res shred, Terrible first cast downtime because of thr 1st cast mechanic, shield doesnt interact with her kit at all. Similar DPS to Surtr even tough you need much more effort to use her s3 (wich falls off compared to surtr the moment enemy has more than 10 RES) yeah...
@@kyarumomochi5146 Oh come on. Just deploy her and activate her skill, then do it for 2nd time. Even Thorns have more effort at first activation. This is very easy. Viviana has ASPD in her 2nd skill and multiple hits in her 1st&3rd skill. That makes Vivi more easy to trigger her shield.
@@salesberuang4448 1) Thorns skill lasts infinite and he works differently than viviana so comparing them doesnt make sense, he is a consistent lane holder, viviana isnt. 2) Yeah "deploy her and wait" seems like a proper argument but her s3 is a dps skill so having a 50 second downtime basically means its unhelidroppable and needs to be planned before hand for elite and boss enemies so it sucks, and not like she is something insane when skill os active either, Zuo duels elites and bosses much easier than Viviana does while dishing out significantly more dps, without the two recast bs 3) Her s1 is dead on arrival so its not a good idea to mention it, her s2 gives her aspd but its centered around normal mobs so you wont trigger the shield often as elites arent in question here,and even at that Surtr s2 actually deals more damage than this skill while having better cycles and dealing with singular enemies better lol, her s3 gains shields fast but none of the new bosses are stallable, let alone with a single shield so this is only useful for slow hitting non ranged attack elite enemies wich means her shield niche is alot less impactful than it looks. And... what does the shield even do? Tanking a single hit is good? Litterally remove her shield talent entirely and just replace it with a Res reduction/RES ignore talent and her usefulness would be quadrupled. Shield means nothing to a dps, she isnt a laneholder and the shield doesnt even buff her damage or give her extra sustain via healing or giving sp. The ENTIRE purpose of the shield is just blocking ONE hit wich is a joke, this talent is unusable against any new boss or any ranged elite enemy so it can only duel enemies like golems or slow atk spd enemies, and even at that viviana is nowhere even near the best at the job, zuo obliterates Viviana in any comparison against any elite/boss dueling scenerio while having sustain and keeping himself alive. Dont come at me saying "but he deals physical damage" viviana doesnt have res ignore so her arts damage isnt a upside and Zuo just happens to deal enough dph to even damage patriot so that argument falls too. Oh also Zuo lees s2 is litterally objectively better version of Viviana s2 on any occasion and any battle. Yeah no
![[Arknights] Simple, but GOOD! - Fang The Fire-sharpened Short Showcase](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0k8w3VY1_0M/mqdefault.jpg)
Ah, i forget this.
Just because she's a Defensive Operator, don't think that her damage is not good. Her DPS can be higher and lower than Surtr depending on enemy's RES. You can check here for details.
drive.google.com/file/d/1cDOMg9noK6SQLlUewQOADSKv3ACnkOJv/view?usp=drive_link
Also, maybe people were disappointed because she wasn't like the boss version. I feel the same way a bit, but I'm sure if you like her you'll have fun to play with her.
she was not even a boss. She was an elite enemy but even so at this point she didn’t have the power of the candle knight guild. I would say for no candle knight guild empowering her this is pretty good
@@voltrixgames4375Yiks.. A boss with elite enemy stats. Not hoping so much, but she still pretty good in some conditions.
Thank you for providing some positivity in what Viviana can do instead of jumping in with the nonsense hate she's been getting nonstop. If only more people would actually play with her instead of constantly posting about how 'incapable' she is.
She's a survival dps operator so comparing her to pure dps like surtr is kinda unfair actually, happy to see a vid that showcase both her survival and dps ability
You know how it is, only coomers like to compare two operators that don’t even do the same thing. I swear, I want to slap the people who compare Thorns with Typhoon. Just because they both have a skill that is permanently active the second time activation, doesn’t mean they’re the same. Typhoon literally target two enemies and if there’s only one, she shoot both bolt at the same target, can stun and her whole archetype and talent literally all about her being the best at killing high defence enemies compared to to others. While Thorns is more like a lane holder that can probably survive on his own if there are downtimes between enemies so he can activate his regeneration talents. His other passive of poison that also double damage on aerial enemies just scream lane holding capabilities against both land and air targets.
Very underrated Operator I think. Thanks for showcasing
Nah...she's rated approximately. Not bad but mid as hell.
Relying on RNG and having the pathetic ceiling of 1 shield at a time sure helps her case I bet.
Either skill 2 or skill 3 should be unlimited duration after the second activation. They feel like caring too much bout powercreep on vivi and surtr that they end up with mid one
I really hate how Surtr is such an op piece of junk she skews the perception of any other arts guard who isn't as wildly overtuned as her into being deemed bad cuz they have an actually healthy kit
I don't even think she is that OP to begin with. Surtr couldn't do what Viviana does in this Showcase without 7 or 8 healers. Here he doesn't even use a real healer but Viviana benefits a lot from Sanctuary while Surtr's life drain is not affected by it at all.
Surtr is just braindead plonk down and dps a ton, but on a short cycle since eventually she dies.
Surtr is like a fast Redeploy but without the "fast" part, which is why I never really use her.
@@Gorden121 yh but u can see what I mean, she's got a cracked kit that is (usually) shining way brighter than others in her class n it has a negative effect on the perception of other operators
Yeah, its too bad that HG needs to change a lot of things to compensate for how surtr broke the game (Multi phase bosses, long invincibility phase, debuff infliction attack, etc)
Its just that, most old stages are designed with "wave attack" design and most of the times, you can stall these waves a little bit to fit it with surtr redeployment. She is just that broken, lol.
It’s not a problem with surtr, it’s a problem with the people involved in the discussion. People can’t wrap their head around the fact that surtr isn’t a conventional arts guard, she passively kills herself. It’s like comparing fia to w, just because their the same archetype doesn’t mean they have the same role or function.
Also, i wouldn’t regard viviana as a healthy kit because she costs the same as most single target casters without the cc, range or res ignore that makes most of them good. She has a function that heavily plays into the arts guard’s single blocking ability but that’s not a particularly useful function to have compared the mostima, lin and passenger.
Surtr: What can you do?
Viviana: I can live without needing 9 healers
Kirara dodging all that missle like the slippery squid she is
Although the comparison between Viviana and Surtr ultimately 'ended' because of a certain someones 20 RES ignore.
It is funny how even with that talent, Viviana seems to be winning in terms of damage when it comes to comparing their S1 or S2 against low-mid RES enemies, and the main disadvantage with her S3 is because of the attack interval increase. Even then, she can survive pretty well due to the stat buffs to activate her skill again without much help while still managing to deal great Arts damage in the process. Safe to say that she really isn't bad despite her defensive kit. Nice showcase! ✨
Another thing, what's the song name? It sounds really good. 💖
People were completely overreacting and acting like she’s unusable 💀
Thanks for watching, also... here's the BGM. i usually use Peritune BGM for my videos.
ruclips.net/video/dpBh5abRTh8/видео.html
@@file17462 i think there's so much operator with massive damage. so they're using brute force to break the stage. Even the not need to use healer or defender. That makes Viviana outshade because she's defensive operators.
comparing a wrong and unbalanced design who should not exist to a good operator is already a 2 iq move
I mean vivianas shield exists for no reason and her s3 has a second cast mechanic for no reason too. She has stupid flaws that has no upsides whatsoever and her dueling potential is powercrept to oblivion by any helidrop or Zuo lee
Damage reduction the embodiment of tankiness
Tsukinogi gameplay
And Kirara too.
3:50 Kirara taking all the hits while Vivi has to split with Tsukinogi
50% dodge is make her slippery
So, if you have Surtr and Likes Viviana and want to build her as Well. This is one of the Situations you can take into Consideration. While your Surtr can pulverize anyth around the Battlefield with her S3. Viviana can stay as a Stationary Unit, specially if you need someone who can do a Nice Amount of Arts Damage without having to be retreated after a while. It may be as Specific with her Shield only protecting her against Melee Attacks that can only SOMETIMES be triggered depending on your Enemy ASPD as well. Even if this Talent has a Certain Niche, it does the Job pretty well...
She's not from the Candle Knight Guild anymore, right? Still, i wish that at least her S3 attacks dealt AoE Arts damage somehow, with her ASPD being two ranks higher than Regular Splash Casters, if Surtr was Guard Ifrit, Viviana could our Guard Splash Caster. I thought would that would be cool if she could send those bombs of fire sometimes or as a Last Attack, just so weaker mobs didn't interrupt her sparring with the Elite or Boss.
If i had to point out the Main Problem with Viviana, is that HG makes her Kit like if she was a Buffed Astesia, with so much Drawbacks that makes her Skills and Talents don't synergize with her as a whole, that it makes looks like she, one of the most expected former NPC in the game, was a Random 6★ with the Value of a 5.5★. It isn't Viviana's Fault, Hypergryph just maked her so Dirty.
To be fair to Surtr she also have skill2 if you really want her to stay on the field. It doesn't help with survivability like Vivi's, but it does more DMG, adds a bit of range and also have multitarget. If she's not getting hit Surtr s2 is perfectly fine field skill, just overshadowed by her humongous s3.
@@gargutz907 Oh yeah, there's that too. I don't know for sure her Skill 2 by head because i don't have her yet. XD
But most probably get at least the job done, even with E1, she's already able to Ignore some Res.
@@gargutz907
Biggest downside for Viviana s3 to Surtr s3 is lack of multi-target with res shred.
But I think Surtr on single target is overshadowed by Texas the Omertosa s2 doing similar DPS with res shred+uncomparably cheaper, as long as Boss doesn't hit back.
I guess you can also deploy Texas as well to help Viviana compete?
Either way, the video we are commenting under, Surtr couldn't replace Vivi, so there's a niche
@@tteqhu I literally commented on the comment about field presence and how Surtr is only s3 unit and not on the video itself. And I didn't even touch Vivi. Just that Surtr has a forgotten s2 and can play as a field unit if you really want. That's some EN can't read moment from you.
@@gargutz907
More of rambling moment from me 🥴
I just spell out my mind, not really replying to much of what you said earlier.
A bit late watching this but I appreciate how you showcase the usage of Viviana, I still kinda rarely use her despite already maxing her. This run really gives me a good insight about her mechanic
Also nice choice of music 🔥🔥🔥
Aaaaaa video ku dinotis sepuhhhh 😭
This is also a kirara showcase for me
I like her i already M3 her skill 3
Hope her module gave her sp to able to spam her skill3 faster
(Edit: like amiya module)
“If an operator does not receive unlimited immortality and the ability to instantly destroy an enemy regardless of position with the press of one button, this operator is garbage” - arknights community
Well, there is opposite problem as well. Telling everyone that mid operator isn't that bad comparing to meta cuz he can do something "actually not unique" and everyone should build him is another form of blindness which leads to disservice to community.
As for this video - that's more of Quercus showcase tbh, and it doesn't actually favour Vivi, cuz Mousse exists.
The one thing that really bothers me in her kit is the Shield Talent
Having it be a Max Stack of 1 just feels like it’s itching for a Module
Personally I’m hoping for a Mod that’ll increase the Shield Chance & Max Stack, Just feels like a missed opportunity to not get multiple shields with her Triple Attacks on S3
Instead her Mod will probably just be a Boring stat increase on Talent 1 and some Mid Base Mod to prevent the possibility of Surtr getting something good 😞
Let we see, i also hope the same
🙏
I've been thinking of pairing her up with Quercus's S2 instead to heal and charge her skill faster during downtime
it needs heal to charge which limits a lot
And her shield also prevents her from taking damage, so won't be very optimal but definitely gonna work
@@ahmadalvan8578 I meant during her downtime.
So whenever she couldn't kill an enemy with one skill activation, Quercus can keep her alive while charging her skill until she can activate it again
@@sirloin6856 i need consistent heal from her... Burst damage from artilery, DoT damage, and that machine make Amiya almost dead.
I've been using viviana to speedrun manfest break with 3 and 4 star unit and i must say she isn't bad at all, sure she's not surtr, she need preparation for her 3rd skill but she shred that bulky joe from manfest break+jasselton.
If you need a stationary unit to fight some melee bulky joe, she's the one.
Boss killer for sure, candle
About why Viviana lose the Explosion attack, lets just think that since she left kazimier, the Candle Knightclub banned her from using their signature attack. Also think about it, those explosion are arts damage, its AoE, and take a long ahh time to charge... Dont you think its just much worse if Vivi ends up as an AoE caster?
About her damage and defensive ability... Well... Lets just say, she isnt a good match to the current general gameplay.
Iirc, all stage uses wave pattern for enemy spawn and despite vivi's fast S3 rotation, her skill cycle is a little bit misaligned to most stage waves (which spawn one or a few elites together with some mobs) on top of her S3 single block + single target. Also, as long as a stage can just be surtrd, vivi's stock will always be lower (oh deer, how sad)
So vivi is good, its just she is unfortunate because she doesnt really fit the pace of most stages (i mean, ever since i got typhon i realized that the entire IS4, lots of IS3, and many other stages have the perfect typhon S2 tiles its just funny. Part of why she is so meta, on top of her thicc damage)
Thanks for explaining Viviana's lore, it makes sense when we see her skill set right now.
@@salesberuang4448 nah, dude. That was totally a head canon, i have yet to see an actual solid evidence as to why vivi never use her explosion attack (i have yet to read zwillingsturme, even). It was all an assumption.
Also, regarding her shield, if you remember how Vivi vs The Radiant Knight duel back at nearl light went, Vivi can Completely block some attack from Margaret, despite said attack being very hard physical or even downright true damage (based on nearl alter).
So her shield being able to "block one instances of melee attack" might be alluding to that fight.
I have yet to see someone testing vivi's shield against true damage (both because of how rare we get melee true damage from enemies, and having vivi's shield up against it) but from the wording we can safely assume that she can block a hit of any kind of melee damage, even a oneshot of10K damage in a single attack.
Really, Viviana is all in all the definition of the balanced operator. Her S2 only have half of astesia +atk%, only have 20% chance of doing a good damage, eat away at her shield, yet have defense comparable to a defender (~1000 def). Her actual S3 needs 47 seconds* of activation and increase her atk interval but her shield talent are nearly guaranteed and she become very tanky against both physical and arts damage.
I mean, just read gamepress. It perfectly summarizes all the cons that people held against her, and i agree with it.
@@vanzeralltheway8638 Hmm... i see..
Good to hear that, even if that is just an assumption. I only read stories about what I am interested with. I don't have much time to read them all.
If Viviana's shield same as Mudrock that mean she can also block true damage and yeah, I also have not to check it. Talulah Black Snake slash is also count as true damage, but it's written as ranged boss. I don't know if it's work or not. However, Viviana still can block "Free"'s explosive skill even that boss is indicated as a ranged boss.
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Imagine at 2nd activation her s3 becomes infinite duration. Like why did they just make it +duration.
Then, imagine you have infinite Surtr with Single Target and multi-hit. You can also get an unlimited shield, permanent 40 RES, and Guard with defender spice. Surtr Simper will be crying to see this.
I have surtr, but I definitely wanted Viviana more, probably because she's actually interesting, rather than being an over the top arts dps that ignores a bit of RES and usually being the main thing to compare with whenever a similar operator got released, which is a reason I disliked surtr
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Surtr has and I quote *"IGNORE"* res towards enemies while Candleknight Viviana doesn't. I don't understand why people kept comparing the defensive dps Viviana with an operator that can just nuke the boss if possible in 30 secs. It's not fair
Pinned comments are important, you should read it.
Not every person can understand how to calculate damage, they're also misunderstood about Viviana's damage. They think that Viviana's damage is small just because she doesn't have "IGNORE" res. Comparing damage is important for viewer, so they can imagine how much Viviana's damage based on Surtr as a benchmark.
I don't understand why everyone is protesting just because I compared 2 operators with the same archetype.
Sorry for my mistake, but I typed this comment not to berate you or anything. I typed this comment for the people who'd still compare one operator to another. Forgive me for my mistakes
@@adamdaniel6915 Ah, me too. Sorry for misunderstanding. I also compare them but it's only as a reference.
Most of them is a metaslave who think they should choose one operator who the best and that operator usually is damage dealers. But badly, they think that the rest is trash just because Viviana has defensive kit and not simple as surtr.
Like in the video you need more buff to get her that tank, the fact is she really weak to be honest. She cant tank as her role, her up time before second S3 is alot, the talent 1 is not a game changing factor and for newbie she is really worst because her talent and her skill is really weak early on. I really dont know why some people said Surtr is the way too OP and it unfair for Viviana. Like Surtr is 9/10 and Viviana is 5/10 and you say because Surtr is 9/10 so everyone dont know how strong is 5/10 Operator is. With me, for a six star operator Viviana is really worst to have. That doesnt mean Viviana is weak, she just have so much weakness and it make me unhappy about it, I think they gonna give her a really nice module in the future, maybe a module give more Res/Def or even Res penetrate to make her useful like how they buff Thorns in CN. Oh yeah Im not a "Viviana hater" I just want a more objective perspective, Thank you for understanding my subjective opinions.
I'm really surprised you don't get anything after watching this. Her job is not a tank, I'm doing this to prove that she can survive from Steam Knight attack only with small amount of healer. Steam Knight is one of boss with the most horrible attack in arknights after Patriot and Clip. Most of guard will die easily, even your defender.
So, the conclusion is She can survive very easily against another enemy weaker than Steam Knight.
I'm not accepting that value. In my eyes, Surtr and Viviana have same value since I can measure their potential and damage. Surtr with her damage and multitarget, Viviana and her survival ability are able to stay in battle for long. Not everyone can see this because they're playing offensively. Arknights balancing is suck, they're very easily released ops with offensive type while not give chance for defensive type to shine. You even not need to take defender or healer if you can do brute force.
Oh I got what you mean, my comment above is just I want to make it clear for people who think that Viviana is good or something like that. Thank you for the Arguments.
@@phananz732 Trust me. No one will happy when you said Viviana is worst, and what your purpose in forbidding someone to say that Viviana is good? They just want to play with their favorite character. You look like a villain character who doesn't want everyone happy.
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Quercus is the mvp here
nice kirara showcase too LOL XD
ppl talking trash about her cause unlike absolutely wrong and unbalanced operator with 8 secs of immortality and res ignore she s just balanced and can t do broken nosense thing like surtr
Very cool clear, just pay a bit more attention to the text youre typing
I don't have a 6 stars E2, is she worth E2 ing?
Her major issue is LONG SKILL cool down for a 6 star Astesia type.
If 25 DP is too long you'll be surprised after seeing how much Silverash, Eyja, Mostima, Dusk, and Nightingale's DP without redeploying them.
@@salesberuang4448 but her skill is built like a lane holder… plus mostima and eyja etc have more impactful skills than her technically
@@pekoV I have enough with dumb opinions. 25 SP is very cheap for Vivi who have damage like Surtr but single target, she also have bulky DEF and RES. Why do people always decline her? You're just too lazy and choose surtr with her instant skill.
I made this review neutrally. I'm not siding with Surtr or Vivi. At least respect me with comments that make sense and can be justified. Give your opinion as a general player, not as a meta user who always looks at other operators like trash.
Also, Vivi's skillset is duelist not a laneholder but you can use her as landholder if you want.
Viviana bagus kah bang buat di Pull?
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@@salesberuang4448 oke
Only if she had res shred and a better s3 mechanic she would actually been good
hmm... what makes you disappointed?
@@salesberuang4448 Lack of res shred, Terrible first cast downtime because of thr 1st cast mechanic, shield doesnt interact with her kit at all. Similar DPS to Surtr even tough you need much more effort to use her s3 (wich falls off compared to surtr the moment enemy has more than 10 RES) yeah...
@@kyarumomochi5146 Oh come on. Just deploy her and activate her skill, then do it for 2nd time.
Even Thorns have more effort at first activation. This is very easy.
Viviana has ASPD in her 2nd skill and multiple hits in her 1st&3rd skill. That makes Vivi more easy to trigger her shield.
@@salesberuang4448 1) Thorns skill lasts infinite and he works differently than viviana so comparing them doesnt make sense, he is a consistent lane holder, viviana isnt.
2) Yeah "deploy her and wait" seems like a proper argument but her s3 is a dps skill so having a 50 second downtime basically means its unhelidroppable and needs to be planned before hand for elite and boss enemies so it sucks, and not like she is something insane when skill os active either, Zuo duels elites and bosses much easier than Viviana does while dishing out significantly more dps, without the two recast bs
3) Her s1 is dead on arrival so its not a good idea to mention it, her s2 gives her aspd but its centered around normal mobs so you wont trigger the shield often as elites arent in question here,and even at that Surtr s2 actually deals more damage than this skill while having better cycles and dealing with singular enemies better lol, her s3 gains shields fast but none of the new bosses are stallable, let alone with a single shield so this is only useful for slow hitting non ranged attack elite enemies wich means her shield niche is alot less impactful than it looks. And... what does the shield even do? Tanking a single hit is good? Litterally remove her shield talent entirely and just replace it with a Res reduction/RES ignore talent and her usefulness would be quadrupled. Shield means nothing to a dps, she isnt a laneholder and the shield doesnt even buff her damage or give her extra sustain via healing or giving sp. The ENTIRE purpose of the shield is just blocking ONE hit wich is a joke, this talent is unusable against any new boss or any ranged elite enemy so it can only duel enemies like golems or slow atk spd enemies, and even at that viviana is nowhere even near the best at the job, zuo obliterates Viviana in any comparison against any elite/boss dueling scenerio while having sustain and keeping himself alive. Dont come at me saying "but he deals physical damage" viviana doesnt have res ignore so her arts damage isnt a upside and Zuo just happens to deal enough dph to even damage patriot so that argument falls too.
Oh also Zuo lees s2 is litterally objectively better version of Viviana s2 on any occasion and any battle. Yeah no
@@kyarumomochi5146 I imagine her possible module like "ignore x res when her shield is up"