(Not very) Fun fact: The pink water you were taking about at 8:38 is actually a chemical called Mega Mack, and instead of drowning in it, Sonic gets poisoned, hence why air bubbles are absent in Chemical Plant. Still hate it, I much rather skip it with a precise jump or a completely different route. Also, at 54:36, what happened was the floor is non-solid at the bottom, but above it was a wall. Tails flew inside the wall on accident there and was zipped out due to the Sonic wall physics in which if you're inside a wall and press left or right, you will shoot out really fast in the opposite direction. Hopefully this answers a few of your questions.
Wow, never realized before that the foreground of Hill Top is a pallete swap of Emerald Hill's. That might partially explain why it was done in Sonic 2 HD before other zones, it does save some graphic work
38:20 Input 1 1 2 4 in the sound test, then press start. The cheat gives you 14 continues, but due to a bug, it gets rid of all the sound effects and songs and replaces it with the oil ocean theme
Note that song 4 is the Oil Ocean theme, so that's what is playing right before whatever handles the cheat happens. The cheat itself then tries to play a jingle to indicate that it worked, but there is an error with it, which causes the sound driver to lock up and become unable to play anything new, so it's just stuck playing Oil Ocean's music forever.
i don't remember exactly how it happens, but it has to do with the sound command that the sound driver tries to play, which results in the driver bugging out and becoming unable to play anything new. it's actually pretty easy to fix, i just don't remember how to fix it xD
If you need some help getting past metropolis act 1, there’s a vertical level wrap right before the place where you got stuck. Speedrunners use it a lot. There’s also a horizontal one for act 2 of metropolis, but it’s horizontal so it might be a bit harder. Act 3 of metropolis has a horizontal one too but it probably won’t be as hard. I suggest you watch the speedrun world record of a 13:52 where he uses all 3 level wraps. Maybe make a follow up video and give it a shot
That mention of the confusion over Mecha Sonic's name got me thinking. I think a cool potential one-off video could be about such misconceptions and disagreements over minor details in games.
I use different names to refer to his different models. For example the one in Sonic 2 I call Robo-Sonic or Proto Metal Sonic, the one in the 8-bit version is Silver Sonic (which is the official name for that one, apparently), and the one in S3&K is Mecha Sonic. CD marked the debut of the “final build” of Metal (who I headcanon took until Heroes to finally return because he was damaged nearly beyond repair after the Stardust Speedway fight)
Sonic 2's is called Mecha Sonic. He was outright named in the Japanese version. The 8bit Sonic 2 one is Silver Sonic and is an entirely different, albeit similar robot. The Mecha Sonic in Sonic and Knuckles is quite literally an upgraded version of Mecha Sonic, hence the same name.
The low ceilings in hill top are actually affected by the weird hilly ground Sonic 2 likes to use for some reason (appears in emerald hill too). They're not just for show; you can tell because eggman's tires for the drill mobile go up and down. It looks like you might be able to grab sonic on the lower hilly ground, but not the higher hilly ground. Not that any of this matters; the level was still beaten, but still.
45:26 It's EVERYONE'S least favorite zone from Sonic 2. It's such a universal opinion that you don't even need to ask the question. Just say "I like Sonic 2, except for one zone," and everyone will just say "yeah, Metropolis Zone sucks." Why? Well, I know for you it's just because it's three acts, but I think that just makes it worse in general because it prolongs the already-existing badness. 1) Metropolis Zone is too visually busy. The background doesn't do it any favors, it's a much more active background than most of the other stages. Even Casino Night's busy-ness was only really in the pinball sections. 2) The enemies are some of the most irritating in the game. The crabs have the huge claw that's a giant static hazard that makes it hard to hit, and the mantises have the boomerang blades that are a pain to avoid. And Asterons just suck, period. 3) There are way too many mechanics, and they feel kind of thrown together. You have at least a dozen different unique objects that you have to figure out how to properly deal with, and you're thrown between them quite often. 4) It's significantly harder than other zones. Yeah, it's late-game, but it's a difficulty spike rather than the next step in the curve - especially after Oil Ocean. In fact I'd argue that it's harder than anything that comes after it, too, apart from a questionably-designed final boss.
5) enemy placement. the mantises and crabs tend to be placed at the exact locations where dodging their attacks is difficult, like after a series of springs or near a ledge you just jumped up. it takes great reflexes or knowing the level beforehand to avoid them
I think I know what’s going on with those green platforms in Oil Ocean. The platforms move so fast that when Tails grabs Sonic, Sonic clips through the platform from the grab and Tails lands on the platform, dropping Sonic almost immediately
I actually like the oil ocean music in sonic 2. But yeah metropolis zone sucks, the enemies are placed in bad spots with hard to avoid attacks and it goes on for way too long.
Good job! (Damn you, Metropolis) Also, I wanted to recommend Sonic Mania, but it's pretty much impossible to do it since Tails can't grab Sonic until he jumps, so (at least for me) it's a lost cause.
The only Sonic game I ever completed is apparently pretty gentle for this strange challenge except at the end. I guess Sonic Heroes doesn't count since that would just be 'playing Team Hero as Tails only'.
Nathaniel Bandy already did a video about trying to beat Sonic Heroes without Sonic. Turns out, you'll have better chances of trying to beat that game as _only_ Sonic.
Does Sonic Mania have tails-grabbing? (8:42) I think it's called mega-mack, and it's specially made to not hold bubbles which is why there aren't any in chemical plant
List of levels in this challenge: 0:33 - Emerald Hill Zone Act 1 (Possible) 1:47 - Emerald Hill Zone Act 2 (Possible) 4:00 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 1 (Possible) 6:26 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 2 (Possible) 11:43 - Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 1 (Possible) 13:01 - Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2 (Possible) 15:04 - Casino Night Zone Act 1 (Possible) 19:47 - Casino Night Zone Act 2 (Possible) 25:41 - Hill Top Zone Act 1 (Possible) 29:07 - Hill Top Zone Act 2 (Possible) 32:33 - Mystic Cave Zone Act 1 (Possible) 35:33 - Mystic Cave Zone Act 2 (Possible) 38:08 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 1 (Possible) 42:25 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 2 (Possible) 45:23 - Metropolis Zone Act 1 (Impossible) 47:54 - Metropolis Zone Act 2 (Impossible) 51:06 - Metropolis Zone Act 3 (Impossible) 51:47 - Sky Chase Zone (Possible) 53:33 - Wing Fortress Zone (Possible) 56:30 - Death Egg Zone (Impossible)
Love these, very interesting and your commentary is pretty damn funny. 49:28 though - Tails shouldn't be killable by something like that, not S3 Tails anyway. And since when can you go into flying from anything other than a jump?
In this mod, the partner characters can get killed by normal attacks if you don't have any rings Not quite sure why they did it like that but there you go
@@nthgth Nope, Tails would just get knocked back in vanilla S2, this was a deliberate change. Maybe it worked that way in the original Heroes? Never played that.
my heart broke in pieces when you couldnt pass metropolis zone. but look at the bright side, this way being defeated at the begining og Death Egg Zone hurts waaay less .
I believe the way you make Oil Ocean's music play the entire time is playing the sound test sounds in the order of 01, 09, 09, 02, 01, 01, 02, 04 on the options screen. Entering that code on the level select screen instead of the standard options menu activates debug mode, if I remember correctly.
I do wanna point out about Marble Zone as those top area were turn into an new area for Tails and Knuckles to explore in the Remastered version of the game.
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By this point, i don't think Eggman is the one who hates Sonic the most
@Yehia Ahmed Tails, because sonic is being a lazy dumbass who doesn’t do anything
@@latoallaconmocos pretty sure tails hates sonic too
@@ThuyNguyen-ib4ds yeah thats what i meant from the comment
Ohhhhh, I get it!
It’s knuckles, isn’t it!
@@catman1007 tails
That Chemical Plant Act 2 run was one of the most inspiring pieces of cinematography I've seen in years
(Not very) Fun fact: The pink water you were taking about at 8:38 is actually a chemical called Mega Mack, and instead of drowning in it, Sonic gets poisoned, hence why air bubbles are absent in Chemical Plant. Still hate it, I much rather skip it with a precise jump or a completely different route.
Also, at 54:36, what happened was the floor is non-solid at the bottom, but above it was a wall. Tails flew inside the wall on accident there and was zipped out due to the Sonic wall physics in which if you're inside a wall and press left or right, you will shoot out really fast in the opposite direction.
Hopefully this answers a few of your questions.
Wow, never realized before that the foreground of Hill Top is a pallete swap of Emerald Hill's. That might partially explain why it was done in Sonic 2 HD before other zones, it does save some graphic work
I'm amazed at how you didn't recognize this sooner x)
Originally Hill Top Zone was meant to be a past version of Emerald Hill Zone, back when there was time travel in the plot.
@@kyledrummond6011 crazy shit happens when you divide a estudio to work at 2 differents games at the same time
Yeah, its a massive pain in the ass if you want to alter those zones in the original game.
It looked obvious
This series is the best"Tails Abuse". It's like he's suffering one of those endless trials in Hades.
38:20 Input 1 1 2 4 in the sound test, then press start. The cheat gives you 14 continues, but due to a bug, it gets rid of all the sound effects and songs and replaces it with the oil ocean theme
Note that song 4 is the Oil Ocean theme, so that's what is playing right before whatever handles the cheat happens. The cheat itself then tries to play a jingle to indicate that it worked, but there is an error with it, which causes the sound driver to lock up and become unable to play anything new, so it's just stuck playing Oil Ocean's music forever.
@@hoodedman6579 yeah
i don't remember exactly how it happens, but it has to do with the sound command that the sound driver tries to play, which results in the driver bugging out and becoming unable to play anything new. it's actually pretty easy to fix, i just don't remember how to fix it xD
If you need some help getting past metropolis act 1, there’s a vertical level wrap right before the place where you got stuck. Speedrunners use it a lot. There’s also a horizontal one for act 2 of metropolis, but it’s horizontal so it might be a bit harder. Act 3 of metropolis has a horizontal one too but it probably won’t be as hard. I suggest you watch the speedrun world record of a 13:52 where he uses all 3 level wraps. Maybe make a follow up video and give it a shot
If this works out this would 100% be miscellaneous madness material, if not completely separate from that mini-series.
It's so awesome to me that this old game has that kind of following that this kinda thing is known, 30 years on
That mention of the confusion over Mecha Sonic's name got me thinking. I think a cool potential one-off video could be about such misconceptions and disagreements over minor details in games.
Oh boy, Pokemon could easy enough make an entire video based sorely on names pronunciation!.
I use different names to refer to his different models. For example the one in Sonic 2 I call Robo-Sonic or Proto Metal Sonic, the one in the 8-bit version is Silver Sonic (which is the official name for that one, apparently), and the one in S3&K is Mecha Sonic. CD marked the debut of the “final build” of Metal (who I headcanon took until Heroes to finally return because he was damaged nearly beyond repair after the Stardust Speedway fight)
Sonic 2's is called Mecha Sonic. He was outright named in the Japanese version. The 8bit Sonic 2 one is Silver Sonic and is an entirely different, albeit similar robot. The Mecha Sonic in Sonic and Knuckles is quite literally an upgraded version of Mecha Sonic, hence the same name.
Sucks that this can't be carried into Mania. Tails won't pick up Sonic if he's grounded in that game.
Well that stinks.
Wait really?!
HEH! *Carried* into Mania.
good
sonic finally needs to move, that lazy ass
Hopefully some mod will come out that allows it
Ngl, this would be a pretty interesting concept for an actual game lmao
Yea it's called playing mario maker
I haven't played it, but I think The Liar Princess And The Blind Prince had a similar concept
Or at least a rom hack. Where if sonic moves, you die.
@@beatziegraham6928 Move over, Broken Knuckles, we have a new ROM hack contender: Broken Sonic!
Glover
28:57 That checkpoint's probably for an emerald
POV: sonic has had a mental breakdown and can no longer interact with the world around him, forcing tails to help him defeat dr robotnic
I love it
I was honestly half-hoping you'd do the "no introduction" gag again.
he needs no introduction (gag)
The low ceilings in hill top are actually affected by the weird hilly ground Sonic 2 likes to use for some reason (appears in emerald hill too). They're not just for show; you can tell because eggman's tires for the drill mobile go up and down.
It looks like you might be able to grab sonic on the lower hilly ground, but not the higher hilly ground.
Not that any of this matters; the level was still beaten, but still.
*Those starfish things can go to hell in a flaming car.*
tails..I can't go fast anymore
1 hour of content felt like 10 minutes, nice work git!
45:26 It's EVERYONE'S least favorite zone from Sonic 2. It's such a universal opinion that you don't even need to ask the question. Just say "I like Sonic 2, except for one zone," and everyone will just say "yeah, Metropolis Zone sucks."
Why? Well, I know for you it's just because it's three acts, but I think that just makes it worse in general because it prolongs the already-existing badness.
1) Metropolis Zone is too visually busy. The background doesn't do it any favors, it's a much more active background than most of the other stages. Even Casino Night's busy-ness was only really in the pinball sections.
2) The enemies are some of the most irritating in the game. The crabs have the huge claw that's a giant static hazard that makes it hard to hit, and the mantises have the boomerang blades that are a pain to avoid. And Asterons just suck, period.
3) There are way too many mechanics, and they feel kind of thrown together. You have at least a dozen different unique objects that you have to figure out how to properly deal with, and you're thrown between them quite often.
4) It's significantly harder than other zones. Yeah, it's late-game, but it's a difficulty spike rather than the next step in the curve - especially after Oil Ocean. In fact I'd argue that it's harder than anything that comes after it, too, apart from a questionably-designed final boss.
5) enemy placement. the mantises and crabs tend to be placed at the exact locations where dodging their attacks is difficult, like after a series of springs or near a ledge you just jumped up. it takes great reflexes or knowing the level beforehand to avoid them
Oil ocean is also kinda hard with enemy placement
The only thing good about Metropolis is the boss fight (I actually like it) and you have Sonic 3&K Sky Sanctuary for that
I think I know what’s going on with those green platforms in Oil Ocean. The platforms move so fast that when Tails grabs Sonic, Sonic clips through the platform from the grab and Tails lands on the platform, dropping Sonic almost immediately
Agh yes. "Sonic 2,broken legs edition"
More like paraplexic legs edition
No wonder why Aquatic Ruin was named Neo Green Hill in development
Why
Khept Planet!
My heart will go on!
Khept Planet!
Chemical Plant!
My heart is skipping beats along way
Chemical Plant!
There's so much Chemical that I'm gooooooooonna scream if they assault me
Go figure the most successful run is the one that introduced Tails but has no manual flying in the vanilla game.
Time to grab some popcorn and give this one a go.
7:36 MoonWalking at the speed of sound
Tails should have his own game after this
giving tails's arms a rest yeah deffo he's been lifting sonic up mutiple times for nearly an hour lol
If someone hasn't drawn you like a nurse tails, I'll be shocked! XD
This is so cool, it’d be cool to see this challenge in Sonic Mania Plus , once again another amazing video
is impossible since tails can't carry sonic off the ground there if i remember right
@@RaphielShiraha64 but with encore mode, you can choose to have tails lead with sonic following, which would enable tails to break monitors
@@Papacit0 yeah but at that point you're just playing the game with tails can you even call it a challenge lol
I actually like the oil ocean music in sonic 2. But yeah metropolis zone sucks, the enemies are placed in bad spots with hard to avoid attacks and it goes on for way too long.
Alternate title: Sonic 2 but Tails does all the work, featuring water, flies, and low ceilings.
I would love to see you take on Sonic CD with this challenge
fucking weird to think that if metropolis didnt have the teleporters and if death eggs roof was just a smidge higher this game would be possible
poor tails carrying him though it
Now it's time for your ultimate channel.
Beat Sonic on the GAME COM WITHOUT MOVING!!
You can't play as Sonic & Tails simultaneously in that game.
@@IvanovIvanAKrutoi That hasn't stopped whoisthisgit
@Protector_Name I love those chinese bootlegs. Reminds me of Super Granddad 7.
*Wheelchair hedgehog time!*
That video raises the question ,Can you beat Sonic Adventure without moving Sonic?
Tails can't grab Sonic in Adventure
NO.
Thanks, dude. Now I will never be able to unhear "Khept Planet" when playing through Chemical Plant.
Good job! (Damn you, Metropolis) Also, I wanted to recommend Sonic Mania, but it's pretty much impossible to do it since Tails can't grab Sonic until he jumps, so (at least for me) it's a lost cause.
The only Sonic game I ever completed is apparently pretty gentle for this strange challenge except at the end. I guess Sonic Heroes doesn't count since that would just be 'playing Team Hero as Tails only'.
Nathaniel Bandy already did a video about trying to beat Sonic Heroes without Sonic. Turns out, you'll have better chances of trying to beat that game as _only_ Sonic.
You know, SRB2 can work for this challenge with it's Sonic&Tails mode.
Do Sonic CD next. It’ll be fun seeing you take alternate paths using time
Not gonna happen.
There is no way to play as the Sonic + Tails combo in that game, not even in the 2011 remaster.
@@IvanovIvanAKrutoi are you ABSOLUTELY sure there won’t be an alternative? With 100% certainty?
@@spicybreadproductions1972 YES.
@@IvanovIvanAKrutoi “won’t be”
Does Sonic Mania have tails-grabbing?
(8:42) I think it's called mega-mack, and it's specially made to not hold bubbles which is why there aren't any in chemical plant
Advance 3 next? If its possible, of course.
40:40 When you get into a gay yiffing party because you had a conversation at SADX
I know I ain't complaining.
List of levels in this challenge:
0:33 - Emerald Hill Zone Act 1 (Possible)
1:47 - Emerald Hill Zone Act 2 (Possible)
4:00 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 1 (Possible)
6:26 - Chemical Plant Zone Act 2 (Possible)
11:43 - Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 1 (Possible)
13:01 - Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2 (Possible)
15:04 - Casino Night Zone Act 1 (Possible)
19:47 - Casino Night Zone Act 2 (Possible)
25:41 - Hill Top Zone Act 1 (Possible)
29:07 - Hill Top Zone Act 2 (Possible)
32:33 - Mystic Cave Zone Act 1 (Possible)
35:33 - Mystic Cave Zone Act 2 (Possible)
38:08 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 1 (Possible)
42:25 - Oil Ocean Zone Act 2 (Possible)
45:23 - Metropolis Zone Act 1 (Impossible)
47:54 - Metropolis Zone Act 2 (Impossible)
51:06 - Metropolis Zone Act 3 (Impossible)
51:47 - Sky Chase Zone (Possible)
53:33 - Wing Fortress Zone (Possible)
56:30 - Death Egg Zone (Impossible)
You mean act 3? Not act 1 twice
@@TrackedToasted I'm glad you noticed that. I fixed it, thanks. 😅
54:35 - You BROKE Tails again! 😂
There is another classic Sonic game, but it requires the Stack Pack version of Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic 3
Love these, very interesting and your commentary is pretty damn funny.
49:28 though - Tails shouldn't be killable by something like that, not S3 Tails anyway. And since when can you go into flying from anything other than a jump?
In this mod, the partner characters can get killed by normal attacks if you don't have any rings
Not quite sure why they did it like that but there you go
@@wingedcatgirl ah. Is that the case in S2 vanilla? If so I could see it not being worth correcting
@@nthgth Nope, Tails would just get knocked back in vanilla S2, this was a deliberate change. Maybe it worked that way in the original Heroes? Never played that.
Personally, Oil Ocean zone has always been my least favorite from this game. For some reason I keep getting lost and end up going in circles.
Metropolis is rhe worst
My game keeps crashing whenever i got hit by the oil ocean boss
my heart broke in pieces when you couldnt pass metropolis zone. but look at the bright side, this way being defeated at the begining og Death Egg Zone hurts waaay less .
You could also try Sonic 4 episode 2 if you want to do something more easy before the next hard game.
So can you do the same challenge but with Sonic 2 XL added to it?
I believe the way you make Oil Ocean's music play the entire time is playing the sound test sounds in the order of 01, 09, 09, 02, 01, 01, 02, 04 on the options screen. Entering that code on the level select screen instead of the standard options menu activates debug mode, if I remember correctly.
i think just 01 01 02 04 works
@@DougedUp Maybe, never actually done it myself.
Funnily enough, that code contains an inside reference to Sonic 2's original release date.
Wooo sonic CD in the not-so-near future
12:39 *"We have come for your extra life!!!"*
If you go through the blades, you can get past them by going on the right side where the plane's roof is
59:32 NO
TAILS ABUSE FOR LIFE
MAKE HIM BREAK THOSE ARMS CARRYING SONIC THROUGH MANIA
I do wanna point out about Marble Zone as those top area were turn into an new area for Tails and Knuckles to explore in the Remastered version of the game.
This video is so awesome i need to try this myself!
10:16
GENTLEMEN, HE FUCKING DID IT! INSERT POGGERS MUSIC!!!
Commenting before having seen the whole video, but I'm betting that metropolis zone is going to be impossible.
Edit: I was right.
I didn’t realise that you were controlling Tails looooool
14:10 damn how sonic gonna comeback to that one
Hello you may not know this but tails has a hitbox on top of him while flying so if you hit an enemy from below while flying then it dies
This guy needs no introduction, so the running gag intro has come to an end with Sonic 2.
I think we all learned something important from those challenges. Sonic is a fucker.
Sonic 2, but Sonic forgot his controller.
One hour!?!??!
Sick.
7:13 YAS I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PEREON WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS.
I mean. Your not wrong. Tails is doing all the work here.
He can fly high enough to scam the wall
Gotta love low ceilings.
Now Sonic 4 episode 2 low cellings are not gonna be a problem now
POV: you're playing with your brother and he went to the bathroom
Its like a game of Weekend at Bernies XD
i like to think he's hibernating
When is "Can You Beat Sonic The Hedgehog CD Without Moving Sonic?" coming out?
In two thousand never.
Ah yes, the gotta go not edition.
These are amazing. Sonic mania next...?
impossible, tails can't carry sonic off the ground in that game if i remember right
What? Seriously? I didn’t even realize
Maybe Sonic was laying in bed all this time, like Squidward in _Can You Spare a Dime_
It would explain how he learned to walk again near the end.
Chalange:play as hypersonic without moving but if you want to move with him you can use flash attack
Sonic Mania without moving sonic would be cool
I'm pretty sure the chemical formula for that stuff isn't H2O.
56:67 excuse me his name is Harold
"I can walk after all" hahahaha
Yeah baby :>
This is gonna be impossible
54:40 oh you wound up inside a wall which pushes you opposite of whatever direction you move in.
speaking of sonic mania, when's sonic mania without moving sonic?
Only one genesis game left
*Stardust speedway bad future starts playing*
It's impossible.
So...
Can we do Sonic 4 Episode 2?
Sonic has to jump to get carried by tails
@@superknuckles9567 Dang. Oh well, worth asking.
Clearly the next step is Sonic 4 episode 2
SONIC GOT THROUGH
ACT 1
Tails was there too.
8:42 The pink water I think is called Mad Mack?
Now the only thing left is sonic four
When tails is not useless:
I saw an unused sprite at 11:30, its been around the files of sonic 2 for a while
All gliches!
2:18
9:49
12:06
16:00
31:57
33:36
40:24
53:24
54:37/ 54:39
HE GOT PAST CHEMICAL PLANT???? HOW?