When Marnie Was There (and Failed)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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After weeks of delays and dealing with life stuff, I finally return to deliver my much-promised When Marnie Was There video, the latest entry where I talk about Studio Ghibli again for like 10 minutes. Anyway, hope you all enjoy and let me know what you think (or why I'm wrong in the comments)!
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I did not mind that twist at all and it really touched my heart. It's literally why i love that movie so much. I had a very strong connection to my grandma growing up and i realized way before that so called third act that Marnie is her Grandmother. The movie even hit harder when i watched it a second time with my boyfriend who is a bit of a more neutral person emotion wise but even he got it. He noticed it way before i did watching it the first time. They do hit you with a LOT in the end, like you mentioned that "fake sadness" but i think it does its purpose. It shows that someone can try to do the right thing but still fuck up, that there's more to the people who you think are mean. I cried in the middle but not in the end. I didn't feel sad but honestly hopeful. I do wonder if that movie has only that effect on people who are a bit older though. It's not about "getting it" with intellect but with life experience and the emotions that come with it. So i personally would still absolutely recommend watching that movie...but maybe not so much to someone who isn't in their mid 20s yet.
That’s an interesting point and I’m glad you shared it! While personally I don’t really get a hopeful vibe at the end (that was way better explored in the middle), it’s interesting you got that out of the film. I’m just one dude with one perspective so I can’t really speak for anyone else, so it’s really great to read stuff like this and get other viewpoints. Thanks!
I actually first watched this movie when I was around 11 and it was one of my favorites. But I think if i would have watched it for the first time at my current age, I wouldn't like it as much because after people watch many different stories with better plots they start to compare and therefore think that a movie is good or bad. But when the plot of a movie reflects your own experiences in life in a way, its a whole different story because you can emphasize with the characters. Actually thinking back, I think I might have emphasized with Anna too which might be a reason why I had liked it so much as a child
Although I don't think it was a perfect execution, nor a perfect adaptation of the source material, this is still one of my favorite Ghibli films because of the themes involved.
I am sad that it's such an underrated film, but I am infuriated by the people who try to reinterpret this wholesome films into qu33r p3d0 !n¢3$t fan fiction that come up in RUclips and Google search.
I didn't like the twist at the end that much either but for me it was because their relationship seemed more romantic than platonic. I figured they just kept to book's ending. Which is true except that in the book Anna sent her daughter away because of WW2 and she married her cousin. Both changes are understandable lol
Damn, thank you for the context, I wasn’t aware of the original book ending so thank you for sharing that
I see why they removed the cousin-marrying, despite the fact they queer-baited with a girl and young version of her grandmother who cared for her as a baby, but I'm surprised they removed the WW2 element given how prevalent the theme of war is for Studio Ghibli. Maybe they were afraid of typecasting themselves? ;-)
It's my favorite movie.
I don't think there was a "twist" at all.
after watching it repeatedly, she was obviously a ghost.
plus remember this was a book first.
Thats fair, obviously I don’t expect everyone to agree with me and I can’t change your experience, so glad you enjoyed the film
Don't get the wrong idea, I get "why" people dislike it. I feel like that had more to do with how it was advertised.
I saw this film last year, and even though I did really like the film, a legit forgot everything about Marnie's backstory.
I love how you explained everything with passion in just 10 minutes 😂 been not liking this movie for while without knowing the real reason and I guess it was as you said, good story ruined
Yeah I’m kind of a “cut the bullshit” kind of guy; if I have something to say, I’m gonna say I straight up as concisely and detailed as possible 😂. But I’m glad this video helped you understand why you didn’t like the film, it means I’m don’t my job right!
I'm glad this critique is more focused on the poorly integrated exposition than accusing it of queer-baiting. What matters is how Anna's relationship with Marnie Jr develops her character, but I think it actually reveals a bigger issue which is that the central story lacks meaningful drama. Anna's forgiveness actually doesn't work because she has no reason to resent Marnie Jr since they were seperated metaphysically. It had more to do with unfortunate circumstances than an innate flaw in Marnie Jr's character which isn't an effective way to express how being a caring person is what makes you worthy of love. That's why I'm going to pull up my trump card and say that the better story about self-worth is actually Marnie's entire storyline, but unfortunately, it was reduced to a means to conveniently strengthen Anna's resolve to live a better life than challenge it. I wouldn't say it's manipulative (this implies that what they're doing is potentially harmful which I think is wrong. It's just misguided priorities because they're obciously trying to spread a life affirming message), because it doesn't dismiss everything that came before, even if the reveal was contrived. It's thematically appropriate and served its purpose narratively despite the conclusion to Anna's arc already being pretty hopeful on its own. Maybe the arc should've been centered around decoding it instead.
Also, make a video about the Evangelion Rebuild movies. I beg you.
This is a really great comment, I truly appreciate ur insight!
Also my goal is to make big videos on both the original Eva series and the rebuild movies at some point down the road! I have other big projects I’m working on, but I will get to them at some point!
@@timjongunproductions Nice! Also, while I disagree on this movie being manipulative, I recommend watching Maquia. That's an example of something that tries too hard to spark some kind of emotional response to the point where it almost feels manipulative.
This movie wishes so hard it was a Silent Voice but it fails so horribly that even I could come with a better plot to display loneliness.
It should have been a queer telling about Anna meeting a fellow queer person, who didn't get to experience unconditional love for the way she was, unlike Anna.
I agree, it should have been that as well, and it would have been such an interesting film if they just fully committed to it instead of doing the shitty “they’re related” reveal
The whole thing was queerbaiting :( I was really disappointed with their excuse being a dead relative, and I think they could’ve done so much more with the story. I think you’re right about ending it after the “I love you” scene. Falling in love with a ghost.
I 100% agree, it sucks because has they ended it at that I love you scene, it definitely could have been interpreted that way, but then they just kept going and couldn’t fucking help themselves
@@timjongunproductions yeah. ruined the movie for me ngl. 😐 just had to do that huh
Honestly it would’ve been so much better if it ended where you said it should’ve, but I feel like the film would’ve received a lot of backlash from homophobes saying it’s a queer movie that’s gonna “brainwash their kids”
Yeah but at the same time, does anyone really give a shit what these people think lol?
Damn, Anna got queer baited by her grandma
If they were truly brave, they would have made grandma Marnie and her granddaughter Anna kiss 😂
@@timjongunproductions in the books marnie give a kiss on anna cheek when they first met 😂
This movie is 11/10 for me btw love the vid
Glad you loved the film!
I agree the fist 2 acts are a terrific exploration mental health and illness at a young age, there's a real understanding of what it feels like to experience that as a child. However I really believe there's value in the ending. I don't think it's artificial sadness but an honest look at how mental illness impacts those we love despite our best efforts, how older beliefs and stigma negatively impact recovery. She was cut off in a sanatorium while she tried to process her grief and ended up hurting her own child the same way she was hurt, something she never wished for which is made clear in her interactions with Anna. But learning how her grandmother kept trying to do better, how she gave Anna all the love she could in the time she had left, matters. Anna till this point believed she was just a bother to her biological family, someone not worth looking after, which makes it possible for her to think her foster mother's love is artificial. So learning Marnie choose her, wanted her and loved her, starts to heal some of that pain and she's able to accept that her foster family does love her.
There is value in this film, and it's worth a watch. Mental illness is not romantic. It hurts you and those you love, and this film doesn't shy away from that or baby it's audience with a false idea that it'll all just magically be okay. What it does do is show that there's always hope. Marnie got to have joy and love again, and she took the chance to show love to her grandchild, and we get to see that that mattered.
sorry for long comment, I have so many feels about this film as there's such a lack of sensitive explorations of mental health. Thanks for discussing this film! I loved your description of Anna's journey in the first 2 acts and and the clip editing was excellent :)
Hey, thanks so much for leaving this comment, and don’t apologize for it being long, I love seeing shit like this in the comments sections of my videos. I definitely see your point, and I so badly want to agree with you, but they went about communicating these ideas you mentioned in the final twist so poorly that it came across incredibly manipulative and insincere, at least to me. You can definitely make an argument for everything you mentioned, but for me, there were so many better ways they could have done all this and they chose the most frustrating option. But again, that’s just me, and it’s at least great that we agree on the first 2 acts being good!
Well tbf this movie was based off a book 🤷🏽♂️
Sure, but that doesn’t really have anything to do with what I talk about in the movie. Tons of great Ghibli movies are based on books, but that didn’t stop them from having great endings
Lmao, never watched this one. But I’ll talk your word for it compañero.
I’d say still give it a watch because, again, I’m a gigantic asshole that takes the fun out of movies and you should form ur own opinion
I was so confused when they were in the silo and it all went crashing down from there.
I actually quite liked the silo scene, but yeah, same. Glad you agree