The Disturbing Downfall of The Wiggles

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  • Опубликовано: 14 дек 2022
  • The Wiggles have a dark, dark past. Honestly surprised more people aren't talking about this...
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  • @jami.franchestquazimolamai
    @jami.franchestquazimolamai Год назад +173

    the fact I thought this entire thing was legitimate until jeff killed someone with a rocket 💀😭

    • @Karactos
      @Karactos Год назад +19

      Same 😂 and I did a research assessment on them. Was so confused

    • @partyrock2081
      @partyrock2081 7 месяцев назад

      Jeff did NOT do that

    • @reggie2175
      @reggie2175 6 месяцев назад

      wait did u not hear about the time he did that???

    • @user-sl4fu9pr4m
      @user-sl4fu9pr4m 3 месяца назад

      That's not child friendly!

  • @thegrandwizard1700
    @thegrandwizard1700 Год назад +272

    Even if Jeff did an “oppsie” and committed a homicide, he is still my favorite out of all the Wiggles and he will always be my lord and savior who I worship by covering myself in his memorabilia. Praise be to Jeff.

    • @pinkchaos.
      @pinkchaos. Год назад +11

      You’re so quirky and random.

    • @BigTommyBoy2009
      @BigTommyBoy2009 Год назад +21

      The Lord God says, "...Thou shalt not worship idols..."

    • @lisden6683
      @lisden6683 Год назад +5

      @@BigTommyBoy2009 amen brother

    • @drulavigne8777
      @drulavigne8777 Год назад +3

      @@pinkchaos. wizards always are

    • @drulavigne8777
      @drulavigne8777 Год назад +1

      Dog days are over wah wah wah
      Off w their heads like the yea yea yeah's

  • @moonfairy2325
    @moonfairy2325 Год назад +68

    When Greg temporarily retired 5 year old me was *not* happy about it lmao. Then my family saw "the wiggles" at the great escape years later when my little sister was 5, and when she realized they weren't the real ones she was also very disappointed lol

    • @BetweenTheLyons
      @BetweenTheLyons Год назад +4

      Lmao Great Escape does love refurbs. I don't think I've ever seen someone talking about Great Escape before just randomly outside of theme park videos, lol.

  • @canc3lforcredit
    @canc3lforcredit Год назад +65

    man i was one of those stupid babies when greg was replaced and i noticed 😭 he could never be replaced in my heart. my peak is seeing them front row while my mom tried to hit on anthony.

    • @APairOfOldSkoolVans
      @APairOfOldSkoolVans Год назад +4

      Same! I was so upset my boy Greg stopped visiting me on the TV

  • @cooperc69420
    @cooperc69420 Год назад +17

    0:55 Jeff did not study to become a preschool teacher, that was Greg.

  • @samuelmartins441
    @samuelmartins441 Год назад +14

    The wiggles did have a TV show and a whole movie prior to coming to America

  • @williamphillips24
    @williamphillips24 Год назад +34

    Getting Emma in as the yellow wiggle took them to a whole new level of merch sales. Best thing they could have done.

  • @lbscstudios237
    @lbscstudios237 Год назад +30

    It's sad how they cut off Sam. I think he should've stayed until the others left. Was pointless for Greg to come back for 1 year or so and leave.

    • @jer-iety
      @jer-iety Год назад +1

      Sam was basically laid off at the end of 2011 because the Wiggles went through a recession. They only made $28 million and had to cut lots of their ventures and employees. The Wiggles asked Greg to return temporarily for 8 months to help transition from Sam to another yellow wiggle which was going to be Simon. Then Jeff and Murray decided to leave in 2012 so they asked Greg to extend his stay so that he could leave alongside them

    • @filmtheory783
      @filmtheory783 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@jer-iety thats not wrong Simon was originally supposed to be the new yellow wiggle but then that was given to Emma why is never clear

    • @HornetHKensa
      @HornetHKensa 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@filmtheory783 It didn’t help that Simon had a lot more experience up his sleeve, especially when he sometimes did the deep vocals in some songs instead of Anthony in the mid point of the original Greg era.
      As for Sam, he is starting to reminisce about his time with the Wiggles a little more these days. It doesn’t help that his albums as the yellow wiggle are getting digital re-releases, which according to a Q&A that both Anthony and Sam made amends and there’s no conflict between them anymore. It’s just that they don’t talk often, probably due to both of them being busy nearly all the time.

    • @filmtheory783
      @filmtheory783 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@HornetHKensa i didn't mention that but yes in 2012 after gregs return the wiggles were in hot water for appernenty referring to sam as the "salaried wiggle" appernenty anthony is pretty savage off camera by the way none of this has been confirmed its "he said-he said" sam said he was fired and then claimed claimed harassment where anthony denied the harassment allegations and claimed sam wasn't fired his contract ended right has greg was well enough to return

    • @kbanghart
      @kbanghart 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@HornetHKensaI just saw an interview with Sam, he said he was not very happy the way he was portrayed in the new documentary.

  • @Cthulahoop.
    @Cthulahoop. Год назад +33

    This video felt like a fever dream

  • @RetroPlus
    @RetroPlus Год назад +16

    I actually believed this was truthful up until the end

  • @Songwriterbehindthecurtain
    @Songwriterbehindthecurtain Год назад +8

    Jeff had a pacemaker in his heart he had heart surgery in 2011. He did infact missed the USA tour too.

  • @whatnotandstuff
    @whatnotandstuff Год назад +46

    Jeff wasnt the one being a teacher with anthony and murray. It was greg. They were still pretty successful with the cds and videos. In 1997 they made a movie before barney and thomas. A year later season 1 of the wiggles was made. Not in 2002. Not to mention, murray was in fairly unsuccessful bands before becoming a wiggle. By the 2000s they were successful in america. Sam was an I T tech support before joining the wiggles and after he left the wiggles, he did something called play along with sam on nickelodeon in Australia. You know it occurs to me that this is possibly a parody sooooo. I just gave literal facts over a video that was supposed to be funny, i am so sorry 😅

    • @whatnotandstuff
      @whatnotandstuff Год назад +4

      All i can say is i taught myself the real story of the wiggles and if anyone remembers those weird puppets they had? I loved those and I keep up with what happened to the puppets just because they were a part of my childhood too

  • @olympicegg6853
    @olympicegg6853 Год назад +5

    The ABC that signed the Wiggles was the Australian Broadcasting Company and that was the American company of the same names logo

  • @bomge9339
    @bomge9339 Год назад +126

    Everything in this video was 100% true and factual, can’t believe that the Wiggles would commit heinous crimes against humanity like this! Thank you developer lemons for bringing this into the public spotlight

    • @pilgrimsnest592
      @pilgrimsnest592 Год назад

      The voice coach for one of the Wiggles stars is accused of sexually abusing children in the United Kingdom more than 40 years ago. Robert Graham Bickerstaff, who voice trained the current Red Wiggle, was arrested over historic sex charges he allegedly committed while working in England.

  • @alyssaking4141
    @alyssaking4141 10 месяцев назад +4

    greg was the one with the serious medical condition where he couldn't stand for long periods of time. Later on when he returned in the 2010s he actually died on stage (i"m being fr) and had to get resuscitated and it worked, king is still alive rn (and he better be forever). It was like a heart condition or something. i remember him disappearing one day and sam (my mortal enemy) replacing him... sam was like ur new step dad who didn't buy you stuff... it was a heartbreak to me (i had a crush on greg as a toddler I guess... great video the wiggles are still committing crimes by having eight or more of them all on screen at once... what happened to less is more

  • @LadyBoobs
    @LadyBoobs Год назад +8

    I saw The Wiggles live when I was like 6 and to this day I think it's my biggest flex

  • @_emory
    @_emory Год назад +10

    The Australian man denying the wiggles really got me good

  • @rodmunch6865
    @rodmunch6865 Год назад +18

    I remember I actually went to a wiggles concert with my brother back in like 2009 and it was great! I was like 5 at the time lol but still it was great

  • @BigTommyBoy2009
    @BigTommyBoy2009 Год назад +15

    If were are a true fan of the wiggles, you already knew all this.

  • @skatters2013
    @skatters2013 Год назад +3

    When they sang the Finger Family they actually stuck up the brother finger

    • @user-bn4pk9kg3y
      @user-bn4pk9kg3y Год назад

      The New Wiggles (Not Fruit Salad TV Wiggles) did this.

  • @vyarabrennan7087
    @vyarabrennan7087 11 месяцев назад +2

    I knew their was more to the wiggles then Meet the eye, even as a child I never understood this show at all.

  • @yuguoxinpusen9029
    @yuguoxinpusen9029 Год назад +10

    purple wiggle cheating on yellow wiggle was actually crazy tho

  • @bragix6740
    @bragix6740 Год назад +3

    I had a dream that i met Dev at a supermarket and i said that i was a big fan of the channel and i said that i actually learned some music theory from it so she started making strange sounds and asking what key the sounds were in and then she got really offended when i said that i didnt know and then i woke up.

    • @FlubbydaTubby
      @FlubbydaTubby Год назад +1

      That sounds like something eerily similar to what happened to me. I actually met Dev at a Sunoco one time when her channel was a little smaller. We were talking about music theory and then she stared into my eyes and just puked all over me. She tried to play it off by saying something like, "oh haha that actually had pretty good rhythm to it. we should turn that into a song or something" I was disgusted and stormed out. I then filed a restraining order against her, but she still sends me letters to try to create that song. Dev, please stop sending me letters.

  • @stampy2011
    @stampy2011 Год назад +8

    Great piece of satire.

  • @adamstetson2625
    @adamstetson2625 Год назад +5

    im 17 and i still love these guys

  • @fredstar4720
    @fredstar4720 Год назад +2

    You should see the mosh pits over here when “Fruit Salad” comes on

  • @dankmemewannabe7692
    @dankmemewannabe7692 Год назад +3

    Dorothy’s daughter made an appearance in The Wonder Pets

  • @gabagoul8835
    @gabagoul8835 Год назад +1

    love the sunnyv2 esc documentary but with your own take/music themed stuff to it. always a fun watch

  • @Tealdroplamo
    @Tealdroplamo 2 месяца назад

    This feels like watching the wiggles documentary on acid. I fuckin love it

  • @stephaniethetvshowgirl1072
    @stephaniethetvshowgirl1072 Год назад +3

    Let me explain to you about the wiggles first tv show so the first ever wiggles show the wiggles which came out in Australia in 1998 but didn’t come out in America until 2002

  • @DR_MUFFIN
    @DR_MUFFIN Год назад +2

    As an Australian, I have to say I didn’t really grow up with the wiggles … sue me

  • @benjaminwaters241
    @benjaminwaters241 Год назад +3

    Me getting ready to criticise this video cos the Wiggle plants are great not realising this was one big meme until about the half way mark

  • @Edboy691
    @Edboy691 Год назад +13

    These guys were my childhood till the age of 7, when I heard the original Greg had a heart attack on stage and died but was brought back to life because of a defibrillator I went into a childhood nostalgia coma for a day, also no joke my friend seen the original Jeff at the chemist getting his methadone because of his heroine addiction and I was 11 when I learned this and when they say “WAKE UP JEFF” it has a different tone now lol childhood ruined

  • @down_by_the_bay
    @down_by_the_bay Год назад +2

    Greg was studying to be a teacher not jeff

  • @margi9103
    @margi9103 Год назад +1

    The last half of this is a good work of fiction. Sam grew up in Wagga Wagga in NSW Australia.

  • @SturdyCrawdad59
    @SturdyCrawdad59 9 месяцев назад +1

    Embarrasing fact about me: I was a wiggles fan till 4th grade and saw them in concert 3rd grade. Didnt realize it was more aimed towards toddlers lmao

  • @tyburvandeezo8218
    @tyburvandeezo8218 Год назад +7

    One of the best things you've ever done. I'm glad it's not delteificated!

  • @Theonionofthedisneyjuniorlore
    @Theonionofthedisneyjuniorlore Год назад

    This is the type of videos that RUclips recommends me at times where I should be sleeping

  • @tobywankenobi103
    @tobywankenobi103 Год назад

    whered you get this info

  • @gloglee7463
    @gloglee7463 Год назад +3

    i will not take any sam slander he is my king thank you very much

    • @Kinjo7
      @Kinjo7 Год назад

      Sam is the wet fish handshake of the wiggles

  • @colindykeman1697
    @colindykeman1697 7 месяцев назад

    2:35 When You Mean The Producers Of Barney & Friends Doesn’t Mean That Lyrick Studios Owns Wiggles Tapes By 1998

  • @dontbother2763
    @dontbother2763 Год назад +1

    Everyday my childhood band keeps on getting darker.

  • @drbabyyy
    @drbabyyy Год назад +2

    i wiggled my way into some trouble

  • @schtuff.8207
    @schtuff.8207 Год назад +1

    Michelle Branch also dreamed of putting together a Michelle Ranch

    • @schtuff.8207
      @schtuff.8207 Год назад

      It would have been like a summer camp, with white houses for all the ranchgoers to stay, the kids would be read the Nolita fairytale before going to sleep - there would be a pit full of cotton so you can 'fall into the sky', but the problem is she needed 640,000 acres to pull it off.

  • @nathanmiller1
    @nathanmiller1 Год назад +4

    You could have used the correct ABC logo. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has no relation to the ABC logo in the video. Interesting video otherwise.

  • @oliwardcomics
    @oliwardcomics Год назад +1

    hopefully after all of this jeff wakes up and it was just a crazy wacky dream. its still 2001 and hes off to Dorothy's house for a Tea party

  • @julianewcorn7071
    @julianewcorn7071 Год назад +1

    I remember having dreams about the wiggles when I was little they were sooo slay

  • @VenusLivesInASociety
    @VenusLivesInASociety Год назад +4

    Fruit salad, yummy yummy

  • @mothmanturd
    @mothmanturd Год назад +1

    My sisters first concert was the wiggles.

  • @datasianjan1710
    @datasianjan1710 Год назад +1

    So they covered it up? There are no news articles about the homicide to verify unless anyone found something? Might be searching it wrong 🤷

    • @Spaceghost5446
      @Spaceghost5446 Год назад

      No the purple wiggle really hit a man in the head with a rocket but it mightve been the reptilians framing them so they could take over no sarcasm jokes here

  • @kamiwiggleofficial
    @kamiwiggleofficial Год назад +31

    On behalf of the entire Wiggles communtiy I have to say: WTF IS WRONG IS WITH YOU?
    You're just spitting out nonsense that you made up and believe me, there is NO WAY that Sam would have done all of that (heck, there's not even a internet rumor or secret pdf to tell you that). Besides, you should THANK HIM for being in the group because The Wiggles would have died early if it wasn't for him!
    P.S (Sorry if I made you feel bad, but I have to stand up for them)

    • @samcarlsonofficial
      @samcarlsonofficial Год назад +7

      THANK YOU!!! If this whole thing is satire, I cannot believe no one is seeing through it!

    • @YouTubeFreak35
      @YouTubeFreak35 Год назад +4

      I agree with you 100%

    • @DipperDalmatian
      @DipperDalmatian Год назад +2

      FINALLY, someone who knows what they're talking about. At least someone here is spitting out lies that they just pulled out of their arse

    • @kamiwiggleofficial
      @kamiwiggleofficial Год назад

      @The Rolling Jew So what I don't care! Who are you to decide what collabs the group should do?

    • @kamiwiggleofficial
      @kamiwiggleofficial Год назад

      @The Rolling Jew a true Wiggles fan who fights and stands up for them.

  • @hannahduggan3599
    @hannahduggan3599 Год назад +1

    What do these people have against my crush?!

  • @Selkies_not_Sirens
    @Selkies_not_Sirens Год назад +1

    Their biggest mistake was capitalizing off emma and lachy solely! Don’t put all your ducks in one basket

  • @MikeLeininger
    @MikeLeininger Год назад +4

    You're funny. I actually enjoyed your story telling quite a bit.

  • @bitter5683
    @bitter5683 Год назад

    was the guy from kickin it really their manager
    Or was that the Hawkeye dude they look the same

  • @SakiCreationz
    @SakiCreationz 6 месяцев назад

    I grew up with the OG wiggles, Murray,Greg,Jeff and Anthony are the ones I grew up with

  • @doodlebopsftw3150
    @doodlebopsftw3150 Месяц назад

    I was to young to understand that Greg retired from the band

  • @nostalgiajumper0233
    @nostalgiajumper0233 Год назад +2

    Looks like we got a Wiggly Karen😂😂😂😂

  • @smily2208
    @smily2208 Год назад +4

    Just saw The Wiggles last week Stadium show with around 8000 people I don't know where the downfall is.

  • @poornapatel409
    @poornapatel409 Год назад

    dev what happened to the intro song

  • @co-jt6gd
    @co-jt6gd Год назад +2

    I didn’t notice Greg was replaced until I was 6, but I lived with it. I thought Sam was awesome. Anytime I saw him in previous videos I’d say “HEY, IT’S SAM!”. If anything, the Wiggles took a hit when Greg returned and Sam retired. It just wasn’t the same anymore…

    • @MustacheOnMars9
      @MustacheOnMars9 Год назад

      Apparently when Greg came back Anthony told Sam that they don't need him anymore and practically told him to go away, don't come back over text. No warning or build up, just gtfo over the phone.

    • @francoispitt
      @francoispitt Год назад +2

      @@MustacheOnMars9 incorrect. Sam's contract with the wiggles was up regardless in 2011-2012 and they would have had to find another yellow replacement regardless. If it wasn't Greg back as yellow it would've been someone new cause Sam was never renewing in the first place

    • @co-jt6gd
      @co-jt6gd Год назад +1

      @@francoispitt Which sucks, cause he’d still be awesome as part of the Wiggles cast, if not a wiggle himself

    • @jer-iety
      @jer-iety Год назад +2

      ​@Francois Caines-Pitt I researched that Sam basically got laid off to save the Wiggles' company at the end of 2011. Greg returned temporarily to help transition from Sam to a new yellow wiggle which was going to be Simon from January to August 2012. Then, Jeff & Murray decided to leave in 2012 so they asked Greg to extend his stay so he could leave alongside them

  • @gggg-sk7pc
    @gggg-sk7pc Год назад +2

    Honestly, Greg supremacy. Idk why no one talks about him.

  • @billyferal5558
    @billyferal5558 Год назад +3

    I am actually mad disappointed cause as a dad of a bunch of kids thr wiggles has been a big part of my life for the last decade and there is an ACTUAL downfall happening right now. With infidelity and backstabbing and all that good shit. But this video is just silly nonsense

    • @officialbrandonmatienzo
      @officialbrandonmatienzo Год назад +1

      It is nonsense

    • @hmlandis1370
      @hmlandis1370 Год назад

      Nah, the downfall isn't happening, it already happened in 2013.

    • @officialbrandonmatienzo
      @officialbrandonmatienzo Год назад

      @@hmlandis1370 No it didn't if false information I rant this user

    • @hmlandis1370
      @hmlandis1370 Год назад +1

      @@officialbrandonmatienzo I meant when Greg, Murray and Jeff retired and were replaced by Emma, Lachy and Simon. Obviously this video's a troll video.

    • @officialbrandonmatienzo
      @officialbrandonmatienzo Год назад +1

      @@hmlandis1370 oh ok

  • @noleezyadvance983
    @noleezyadvance983 Год назад

    wait i cant even tell if this is fake or not

  • @clairequirk911
    @clairequirk911 11 месяцев назад

    your pitch in the beginning to like and subscribe worked and I did.

  • @WillCWilson
    @WillCWilson Год назад +1

    *wrong abc*
    That's the American ABC, not ABC Australia, there's a difference with the logos

  • @letstalksports4800
    @letstalksports4800 Год назад

    First Wiggles show debuted in 1998 not 2002.

  • @carlennabrattin7731
    @carlennabrattin7731 Год назад

    My little sis watch them when she was 3 years old in early 2000' s

  • @Songwriterbehindthecurtain
    @Songwriterbehindthecurtain Год назад +1

    Abc is a independent record label.

  • @crazymusicchick
    @crazymusicchick Год назад +1

    Greg Murray n Anthony met in uni

  • @lassiopia9416
    @lassiopia9416 Год назад +1

    I thought Sam and Greg were literally the same until recently bahaha

  • @YourLocal_CowMom
    @YourLocal_CowMom Год назад +1

    3:53 this is legit the funniest thing ever 😂

  • @zbellav1217
    @zbellav1217 Год назад +2

    Sam Moran went to my highschool lmao

  • @sanriofan49
    @sanriofan49 6 месяцев назад

    How dare she say that about babies?😢😢😢

  • @ash-__-
    @ash-__- Год назад +8

    off topic but check out The Wiggles cover of Elephant by Tame Impala that shit goes so hard (yes it's a real thing)

  • @filmtheory783
    @filmtheory783 Год назад +1

    Is this satire? Because for the record none of this is true. the first tv show was funded by them the wiggles funded their own first tv show. they didn't come to America till after they released their movie. (which they only did so that people would take them seriously.) they did lots of live shows, wiggledancing 1996 is one of them. their first video was made in 1993 called "wiggle time". in fact they didn't come to America till after they got their 1997 updated clothes with their logo on their shirt and belt buckle in the shape of their logo.

  • @AFormerUser
    @AFormerUser 8 месяцев назад +1

    This is awful! I had no idea this was a thing!

  • @starry_mates
    @starry_mates Год назад

    3:03 might be an error but im not so sure lol- Anyways their actual one started in 1998 but since you are referring to its 2002, that would be the lights camera action tv show.

  • @olzensasmita1677
    @olzensasmita1677 3 месяца назад

    Sam moran was the first wiggle before emma

  • @Mataeus
    @Mataeus Год назад +1

    Im so confused

  • @sageyoku8003
    @sageyoku8003 Год назад

    Y everything just ho left?

  • @jakethecarsandreactorvideo9409
    @jakethecarsandreactorvideo9409 10 месяцев назад

    0:55 Greg was studying to be a teacher not Jeff. Jeff was with Anthony in a band called the cockroaches with Anthony

  • @megglytuff
    @megglytuff Год назад

    well i learned that you can get salmonella from melons now! thanks dev!

  • @Grim20s
    @Grim20s Год назад +2

    Ok dev…. Love you to death but what the hell happened at the end of this video? I was genuinely interested and engaged and you completely lost me at the purple wiggle killing somebody and the wiggles seen on the stage recently were look alikes. Had me over here doing research like “is she being satirical or is there some weird ass truth to this”

  • @shoyuramenoff
    @shoyuramenoff Год назад

    Ngl, I was disappointed this isn't an actual history video on the Wiggles but it's funny af so you're forgiven lmao

  • @Marvin-jj3nt
    @Marvin-jj3nt 8 месяцев назад

    Had to come here after I saw them on ms Rachel’s video my son was watching

  • @demos5297
    @demos5297 Год назад

    also they weren’t look a likes in the kid laroi concert

  • @zac_os
    @zac_os 10 месяцев назад

    even though this video is suppose to be a silly haha lmao moment, you still managed to get so much information wrong its incredible

  • @birdbrain106ally
    @birdbrain106ally 6 месяцев назад

    Can you do the story of the 2013 of the wiggles?
    Edit: can you also talk about Emma and lahcy or how the og wiggles came back?

  • @MrDemoncrusher
    @MrDemoncrusher Год назад +1

    You're research, or should I say lack there of, is nothing short of making this doco look like a satirical comedy, unless that was what you were going for. Jeff never met up with Anthony and Murray at university, he was in the cockroaches with Anthony. And that's just one of many inaccuracies with this vid.

  • @dilliedAlly
    @dilliedAlly Год назад +1

    i loved the style of this video!

  • @demos5297
    @demos5297 Год назад

    the first tv show wasn’t in 2002 it was in 1998 but it was released in america in 2002 i think

  • @tobywankenobi103
    @tobywankenobi103 Год назад

    sam was born in australia

  • @Faith01841
    @Faith01841 Год назад

    Not me thinking this would be serious 😭

  • @TheStormBolt-gf8qi
    @TheStormBolt-gf8qi Год назад

    Till this day the wiggles don't seem the same and yeah I know they old but I mean the brand

  • @olebyana
    @olebyana 11 месяцев назад

    Greg was cut off by Sam but maybe in 2021 Emma may be still in the wiggles

  • @oscarg2692
    @oscarg2692 Год назад

    Do a deep dive on Polvo next

  • @krusher181
    @krusher181 Год назад

    R u named after custard, dev?

  • @starwarsisamazing6332
    @starwarsisamazing6332 Год назад

    Okay.... What.
    Like, the farm part seems legit but after that like... TF?

    • @margi9103
      @margi9103 Год назад

      Sam did not grow up on a farm in Arizona. He is an Aussie.

  • @dante224real1
    @dante224real1 Год назад

    they were about taking attention away from JESUS and the main remembrances of his birth and respawning in the meta