12” 78s - Hefty Records!
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
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I have loads of these even some nice 12" 78 sets
Most of the 12" 78s I've come across through the years are classical or semi-classical. But, there is one popular vocal artist, Sir Harry Lauder, that I've found many times on 12-inches. Lauder was a Scottish singer and comedian that achieved international success. I'm looking at my copy of one of his big hits, "Roamin in the Gloamin." It's a 12-inch, one sided record on the purple Victor label. According to Discogs, it's the 1917 repress, and what's really interesting is the $1.25 price printed on the label. That translates to about 26 dollars in today's prices. Think about that next time you hear somebody complain about the high prices charged for vinyl today.
I have now become obsessed with that "A Christmas Carol", and now I am on the hunt!
Ever run across the old 78's that people used a machine at home to record on? That would make a cool segment.
My grandmother had one, but I'm not sure whatever happened to it when she passed away years ago. I never saw how it worked though.
YES! We have reviewed a few of them!
@@Recordology Cool I will have to check them out, it is always interesting what people recorded on those discs. I think I have an old Edison record lathe recorder kicking around, but I think it's incomplete.
@@Recordologyhave you heard of 8inch records for a gramaphone
Excellent idea! I'd, for one love to have a link to these records, at least longer parts than the snippets you're allowed to post here.
I love those old sleeves. I have a Columbia sleeve, circa 1940s or 50s, with a little notice saying that the record was best played with a Columbia needle. Interesting stuff!
Also, Pathé was a huge French media conglomerate, not too far separated from American companies like Warner Bros. Pathé started out in the movie business back in France, and then diversified into different countries and industries, including, as you’ve said, a record label. They did have an American film division, but that was absorbed into the RKO film studio in the 1930s. They had also a video game publishing division, several TV channels in France and Italy, and even once owned a stake in MGM. Pathé is still around, and is one of the oldest continuously existing film studios, but it’s safe to say its glory days are over.
I always thought they were bakelite. I learned something new. I used to play old 78s from the early 1900s that were my grandparents. Swanee by Al Jolson and Horses, Horses, Horses were 2 of my favorites. They had 2 that I think were bigger than a 33 and only recorded on one side, but maybe my memory is off about the size. One was Listen to the Mockingbird. I really got excited seeing this video topic today. Some of my old inherited ones are black and rust color swirled together and look really neat spinning. I also remember having some kid records in the 60s that were yellow vinyl. I'm not sure if they were small 78s or 45s. Thanks for all the cool content.
What do those other channels do who play records all the time? Are they paying a royalty to some entity?
Excellent question. Most of the time when you get content matched for music by using more that ~3-4 seconds of music, the copyright holder will automatically be assigned all ad revenue from that video - so I wouldn't get in trouble I would just not earn from that video.
I have one of these! "Reuben Fox Trot" by the Victor Military Band, on Victor 35402-B. The disc is so old, It was recorded acoustically!
Yes, I have a Victor 12 inch 78 rpm record that I got from my grandmother’s estate. It is Harry Lauder’s “Breakfast in Bed on Sunday Morn.” It has several patent dates on it ranging from September 22, 1903 to August 11, 1908. The interesting thing about it is that it has no “B” side! No grooves, no label, nothing!
Very common on the early, acoustic records-10 and 12 inch.
There was a short lived 33 1/3 rpm consumer format in the early 30s, and some 16" radio transcription discs were also 33 1/3.
Correct! It took time for 33 1/3 to reemerge in the consumer market.
They should have 12 inch microgroove stereo vinyl 78 rpm single records, with the maximum time of 9 minutes. They should also have 10 inch microgroove stereo vinyl 78 rpm single records, with the maximum time of 8 minutes.
Check out a label called Rivermont, they have modern stereo vinyl 78 rpm records, all jazz, produced in the last few years, with excellent sound quality. Funnily enough, the other day I found the first release on the Audiophile record label, which was run by the late Ewing Nunn....a 12" microgroove ruby red thick vinyl 78 disc by the Harry Blons dixieland band recorded with a condenser mic in stunning fidelity--mono sound aside you'd find it hard to believe what you're hearing was recorded in 1950! Three full length songs per side; side 1 plays for 9 minutes, side 2 for 8 1/2.
Aside from having many 10-inch 78's, I have several 12-inch 78's which are mostly classical music, but I also have a 12-inch 78 of Benny Goodman and his orchestra performing his classic 'Sing, Sing, Sing' which is one of his best tunes and a long one at that which requires both sides of the 12-inch 78. :)
I believe that version is Sing Sing Sing is quite rare!
12:15 Embedding a link to a secondary video with the full record playing would be great. :)
I'm really liking your channel, keep up the good work and thank you for the 12" info.
I appreciate it!
There were occasional jazz 12" 78's through the 1930's. With the rise of small jazz labels in the 30's and 40's, such as Bluenote, Commodore, Keynote, Black and White, Hot Record Society and others, the 12" format became much more common because the extra playing time gave the musicians the opportunity to "stretch out". I have quite a few and they are worth hunting down.
I have 'Saint Louis Blues' ("Concert Version") by Bing Crosby with Duke Ellington & his orchestra on 12" Columbia DX898. The other side is 'Creole Love Call'.
I know 👌, back in the day, records were very heavy. I knew 👌 that they were made of something similar to shellac 🐚, but I think more on Bakelite. Simply bend one of these records in the slightest way, it will break. Drop it, it will break. Use it as a Frisbee, it will break. I don't know 👌 if the diameter of the record is a matter of better, or for worse. That could, however, mean that you'll have to change your record player's speed. I also understand that more music can be crammed onto a larger diameter record. I'd store those records on end, in their sleeves, not 👎 stacked on top of each other. I'd also invest in those rice 🍚 paper sleeves for these records. They reduce static cling. Your friend, Jeff.
Shellac was what was primarily used. Bakelite was what early record PLAYERS were made out of.
Static was never a problem with shellac records. It only became a thing with vinyl discs, in my experience.
I've been going through the 78's that have been handed down to me and just today came across 3rd 12" 78 which unfortunately was broken (2nd broken one so far). I hope that there aren't too many more.
The Australian Archives have a webpage that displays a large number of sleeves that are colourful and advertise all sorts of stuff. I have a number of sleeves that advertise music shops in Ipswich and Brisbane. My family come from Ipswich.
whenever my record player would drop one of my 12" 78's down to play it, even for that like, 2 and a half inch drop, it goes "TUMP!" upon landing. every time that happens, I'm like, "well, that's a hell of a record."
I've got a fair few of those. 12" ones are mainly classical music, while 10" 78s were more for popular music.
i think the link idea is great you should do that in future videos! i think it would be awsome if i could hear the whole song on a 78
Years ago, I picked up an RCA Red Seal 78 at a thrift shop. Red vinyl! and at 78 rpm, the sound quality is great. "Stars And Stripes Forever"
and "Semper Fidelis" by Boston Symphony Orchestra. Catalog # 18-005
There is also a few big band 12 inch 78's out there. Some were made on the v-disc during the war also.
V-discs are my #1 target right now.....
Yes, I have a Duke Ellington 12'' 78.
@@Recordology The only things i have of the v-disc are the cd sets i got from Time Life years ago and from i think from Jasmin in the U.K. and the collectors music choice series but i don't have the complete Collectors Choice series but most of them. Also a lot of the v-disc were a lot of the regular recordings with the v-disc label put on for overseas shipment. And a lot were destroyed while being shipped from being made from shellac.
The V-Discs I am most interested in were the purpose recorded ones that included special messages to the troops etc. Specifically the ABAEF Glenn Miller recordings made before the band shipped overseas. Another reason why the V-Discs are rather scarce is that they were illegal to own until relatively recently. They were all supposed to be destroyed. None of the artists received royalties. Thankfully some folks stashed them away! They aren't impossible to find - usually run about $35 on ebay.
@@Recordology I have on Collectors Music the Glenn Miller AAF on the 3 cd set and the only time you hear Glenn talk is on the begining of Stardust and another one i forgot which one but a few are the civillian band with the v-disc label on it. Yes finding the v-disc is hard but they are out there somewhere to find. Also the Collectors Choice Music cds of the v-disc are not easy to find but out there. The ones i have is Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Harry James, Stan Kenton,Woody Herman, Jimmy Dorsey,Tommy Dorsey and the two box sets of various artist.
I have one of Hungarian Rhapsody #2, spread out over both sides.
The Christmas Carol set shows the origin of "record album." Called such, because it resembles an old-fashioned photo album.
ruclips.net/video/AT0cwr9I4CA/видео.html
We always say Pathe as ‘Path-ay’ here in 🇬🇧 a 78 has less chance of warping. Good idea for a video link
Here's a fun record to look into "Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief" 3 sided record.
I have a copy of that and wondered why the second side was so short. A few plays later I caught the second track. Years since I've played it.
The capacity of a 12-inch side was 4 1/2 minutes at Columbia and 5 minutes at Victor. As I specialize in classical music, I have a fair number of 12-inch 78's in book-style albums
shellac
The most famous and glorious Danube waltz is the Austrian "Blue Danube" by Johann Strauss the son. There is also a Romanian well known waltz by I.Ivanovici called "Danube Waves".
I plan on getting a 78 cartridge with headshell, which will cost $109.
I remember that video thank you for the correction but Danube Waves sounds great
I have recently found 20 12 inch 78 records and all of them are UK pressings as well. They are in pristine condition. The sleeves are practically brand new, which is unusual for records that old. Also the labels are gigantic for a 78 record, they are probably as big as modern record labels.
got a Set of turn tables Dj Pioneers 78's sound great on my speakers in my home. but so does my Jimi Hendrix. i need to quit counting my records in a guess. let it be a mystery. forever more. but I subsribed t this man's channel. what he puts out there is important.
I scored two 12” 78rpm albums today at the record store for a buck apiece. Soundtrack from 1947’s Carnegie Hall film and a classical album. The classical album has pretty poor sound quality but the soundtrack is really interesting. I don’t usually listen to opera so it’s cool to have in my collection
I currently have more 12 inch 78s than 10 inch 78s.
Edit: I found more 10 inch 78s now. Sadly, I still haven’t found a 7 inch 78. I have found like 2 warped 78s in my year of collecting.
First 10 inch "for US consumption only" funny enough is a polish folk music. Song is called "Oh little star"
PATHE was a French firm, but they also in the 1908 to 1930 operated domestically in USA. They may not have had foreign rights.
Interesting fact, Bob Dylan for instance in ZUK on HMV TCA Victory's UK affiliate.
Bunny Berrigan made a few 12" 78's
that 100 bucks got me is real 7 loads in Dodge pick up. 1,500 records per load. think now in this house got 12,000 records. mostly Jazz . All the way back to Thomas Edison. His Classical music collection on 12 inch records. Knowing this cover well before me. Magic Brain. History in music He Flew Over - Harold Lambert , Banner Records (Lindi) flipside Hello Lindy - Irving Kaufman.. was playing this record today a knock on my door. A package Erskine Hawkins book of 4 78's Tuxedo Junction. crisp 78 my collection grows. slowly of rock and roll, jazz and more.
Pathé Records1908 released 50cm 120 rpm vertical cut inside/out discs.
Search RUclips for the Victor V-225 to see a "Magic Brain" phonograph in operation. Shocking to see how it kicks out a record into a chute!
I have a nice collection of 78rpm records which by weight we are talking about 120 lbs. worth!
That's amazing......
@@Recordology Yes to both. I'm old!
A family friend dropped some old NM 78's off. I have a Very good Black label Path'e 12'' and many more.
I have a couple of 12" 78's which it actually has two songs per side
Yes this is a great record
Could you guys do a video on the carpenters and their records? Im looking at a technics sl1200mk2 for my birthday and will be buying some carpenters records for it.
Klamath Falls, Or. one day while meeting Klamath Falls Frails train a friend came to me. You like 78's he said well if have a 100 bucks he had friend had some. So got them maybe more records me need but many 12inch 78's . a former Jazz dj so got some jazz records many he played. Military records of the troops WW2 stories on 12's Hansle and Gretel. Three Muskiters excuse spelling are cool 12 sets in my library.
For some reason the 78prof has no problem playing 78rpm records on RUclips! Visit his site and you can enter the past and maybe find something cool to listen to.
He does but the content gets monetized by the copyright holders and he cannot earn from them.
@@Recordology Then can you make another channel to just demo some of your record players in action on it alone?
Have a look at archive (,org), post embedded or private video links to it, then you could feature the full tracks/songs... if someone already hasn't. Just a thought. Full history details can be added, if required, There are a lot of 78 and 80rpm records digitised on there already. You might have a better or cleaner version of a certain track on there too?
A lot of these larger ones are of opera also as well as from musicals. I have a couple of box sets made st notably pirates for Penzance.
If you were to look at Victor or Columbia catalogs from the 20s and 30s, you might find some listed as you said for classical works, but alot were listed for Dancing. That was the other point of recording on a 12inch. Also, both of what you showed were obviously later ones. The earliest from the turn of the century (meaning 1900), to I believe it was 1929, did not have a lead in groove as it were, you had to gentily nuge your needle into that first groove. The lead in groove was developed when Victor invented the first automatic Victrola in around the end of the 20s. Wich were Electric in the sense of the motor, and maybe a light in the cabinet. But the reproduction was still acoustic. Thats when a 12inch 78 really proved useful, because you could hear an entire classical peice almost uninterrupted as it were, versus before.
Such a drama with the copyrights on such old recordings. This is ridiculous and shows how greedy these media companies are. Do they really think that everyone would cover it up and make a lot of money, which they then miss out on? It's just ridiculous. Still an interesting video. I also have a 12" disc, but no longer have a record player with 78 rpm.
10" 78? You open with an 11" Pathe.
The Victor Talking Machine Company introduced Red Seal records in 1903.
Four and and a half minutes for a 12" 78 at the most!!! No way six or seven minutes. 78.26 RPM.
One question. I have not been to find anything about why records were 78, 45 or 33 1/3. I'm sure they had some basis for this, but why? Could you give me some help?
I have wondered this too...and also why 33 + 45 = 78!
I actually have a LP that i believe is made out of the same material as a 78 and it is made by King Record label and the artist on that record is Hawkshaw Hawkins
Ah yes - he was in the plane with Patsy Cline when she crashed in 1963.
@@Recordology yes he was his version of Slow Poke is the very best version of that particular song
I guess lots of novices to audio might not know about 78's. Some of the storybook - type 78 collections are little works of art in themselves ( and to think we used to use old 78's as target practise back in the day).
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1925 and before- any copyright claims are invalid. Go ahead and recite all The Great Gatsby you want, you are free and clear.
They made 12 inch records over 100 years ago.
I would be most interested in Judy Garland 78s. Her 1st albums were released on Decca Records.
I ordered the original 78rpm album soundtrack to Meet Me In St. Louis off eBay. I was furious when it arrived and the records were dust. Stupid ignorant eBay sellers
Lots of classical 12” in my collection. This is a 12” transfer: ruclips.net/video/dm93lP4k-yE/видео.html
Cool!
PATH AY--the only way.
I own a Path'e that is weirdly 11.5 inches!
Put Video on FaceBook or Twitter unless there is Copyright on those platforms too???
Yes 👍, I've come across these in thrift stores and such, but paid no 👎 particular attention to what records they are. I'm bound to stumble across Glenn Miller, in this shellac 🐚, or Bakelite version. Its not 👎 clear, as to what these records are made of, exactly, to me, anyway. We even used to have them in our household 🏠, when I was 8. Again, too many 👨 years to remember what artists they were. If I see 👀 Glenn Miller, as shellac 🐚(or Bakelite), I will be sure to let ya know 👌. Your friend, Jeff.
I have some 78s which are acetate on metal disks
Radio transcriptions?
@@Recordology sound effects
I have quite a collection of classical 12-inch records, 78rpm. Mine are mostly unplayed. Do they have any value? And who might be interested in purchasing 78’s? Are there really collectors out there? Are certain pieces more valuable than others? Some are made in the U.S. and some made in England.
There are collectors out there - often times though these are worth only a dollar or two. Check out 78rpm.com/ he buys collections.
How do people do cover of popular songs on RUclips and don't get copyrighted??
They just get the video de-monetized....
Have you heard of 8inch records
I would watch the 2nd video... bitchute, maybe?
in my email. seen your comment . what you do is good. I can no longer deal with Socail media. I cannot take what is in my home with me when I die. I'm 66 I never meant to have this many records. I must stop Facebook is gone this morning. I will not throw away my music. Never it is our history. If my home is felled with music plus my library it does not mean it has to be furniture also. I have enough. I will have Christmas present this year Receiver. I need a record club to be in. I have Klamath Rails, in Klamath Falls, Or. Never give up your dreams. life is special. 01:41 11/27.2023. .
78 records were prone to breakage also like fine china........
What's the problem!? I can hear COMPLETE records on youtube!!!
What?
10" Pathe? Looks like a 11" Pathe hill and dale record which not your typical 78. And it is pronounced "Path - thay". "Pat tay' is what you eat.
That is what I used to think as well! Then a few people from France corrected me. Apparently this is a common American mispronunciation.