This deserves more attention! It infuriates me when makeup companies sell black and white shades as suitable for mixing with foundations because there are no black or white pigments in skin. Pheomelanin and eumelanin are the pigments which give skin its colour. Pheomelanin is red and yellow while eumelanin is black and brown. Once you add pure black or white to a shade meant to mimic skin, it will look unnatural. This needs to stop!
Honestly, I've been long interested in camera reactance and skin tone and AI facial recognition. They argued "black skin doesn't register with as much detail because it's black," 🙄🤦(Our eyes react in an exponential way to light, which means _our eyes_ don't distinguish differences in darker colors, but those differences are there.) I've been wondering what the color response curve is of high melanin skin tones. Especially how reading RGB frequencies in digital photos affects capturing details of dark colored skin. Are other frequencies reflected, perhaps?
I wonder if you started with a typical “darkest” shade that’s not quite dark enough for the deepest of skin tones? That way, you avoid the tones that look funny when they’re not saturated enough? Would it work then? To darken only already deep shades??
this is what i said, because that's how i've seen black shade adjusters used. it's kind of driving me nuts how there are no actual makeup artists (that i've seen anyway) talking about this.
@@retrogradepink Yeah, same. I can’t remember HOW but I found a comment somewhere that linked another video from years ago of a lovely woman who was showing how she made her makeup dark enough. She started with an already dark foundation, and took the tiniest drop from an all black face paint or pigment or whatever, and mixed them. This was way before this controversy and she was just sharing because someone asked her or something? Something like that. Anyway that’s what I was thinking about when I posted my original comment. I do think the brand could have done better and more research. I understand people saying, nope, not gonna support that brand. But I do think that it could be a mixer in very specific situations like the one I saw in the video I described.
Generally using black to make darker colors will never look natural, the same goes for skin tones. You don’t add black to get a dark yellow, you don’t add black to get dark red..
That's true. But this product was not sold as such, and if it was, they would also need to release other mixers (red, yellow, green, etc) to make that workable.
@@WitchOracle yeah, i get that it was marketed as a foundation and hence all the uproar, but i think what it really IS, is a mixer, because it's the only thing i can think of to explain how this product was created. like in response to complaints that there weren't enough shades, the company thought, oh, well, we'll make a mixer so any shade can be darkened. but then for some reason they presented it like a foundation. i have seen deep foundations deepened with just a black adjuster, but using only the tiniest amount. if it were to be sold as a mixer it should probably be in a smaller bottle to make that obvious.
@@retrogradepink it's very generous of you to give the brand the benefit of the doubt, but if that was their intention they would absolutely be marketing it like that. Especially with the popularity of drunk elephant "potions" I do actually think there is a market that is interested in DIY foundation mixing made easy, but they haven't done anything at all to suggest that. The only marketing they've done around shade 600 is trying to match it to people as is, not any kind of mixing. I think you're giving them too much credit.
@@retrogradepinkruclips.net/user/shortsO6EvpvzAQ4c?si=Sdk_nnUxjnsH3ZBD this is a bit of a satirical video but it shows a example of what happens if you attempt to use this as a mixer. Mixers are available for many brands but they still have undertones to properly shade skin tones, this foundation does not. You cant shade with just straight black it will turn most if not all foundations grey as seen with the paint example in the video.
@@3arlobesniffa my assumption about being able to mix black is based on a video from 2018 that uses Mehron's black adjuster with a foundation that's already quite dark. maybe Mehron's product has undertones, but it looks like black, and Mehron makes professional stage makeup. so yeah, i don't know, i'm not trying to defend the brand. it's just mindblowing that this product would get made and that it's being marketed like this. here's the video for reference. ruclips.net/video/2jE5yBeyNtc/видео.html
Oh I am so happy you did a little video on it. I’d be so tickled if you did a long form video about mixing skin tones color theory.
I’m here for a long form video as well!
Same!
This deserves more attention! It infuriates me when makeup companies sell black and white shades as suitable for mixing with foundations because there are no black or white pigments in skin. Pheomelanin and eumelanin are the pigments which give skin its colour. Pheomelanin is red and yellow while eumelanin is black and brown. Once you add pure black or white to a shade meant to mimic skin, it will look unnatural. This needs to stop!
Honestly, I've been long interested in camera reactance and skin tone and AI facial recognition.
They argued "black skin doesn't register with as much detail because it's black," 🙄🤦(Our eyes react in an exponential way to light, which means _our eyes_ don't distinguish differences in darker colors, but those differences are there.)
I've been wondering what the color response curve is of high melanin skin tones. Especially how reading RGB frequencies in digital photos affects capturing details of dark colored skin. Are other frequencies reflected, perhaps?
This video is fascinating! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work 👏
Very helpful explanation. Thank you.
I wonder if you started with a typical “darkest” shade that’s not quite dark enough for the deepest of skin tones? That way, you avoid the tones that look funny when they’re not saturated enough? Would it work then? To darken only already deep shades??
this is what i said, because that's how i've seen black shade adjusters used. it's kind of driving me nuts how there are no actual makeup artists (that i've seen anyway) talking about this.
@@retrogradepink Yeah, same. I can’t remember HOW but I found a comment somewhere that linked another video from years ago of a lovely woman who was showing how she made her makeup dark enough. She started with an already dark foundation, and took the tiniest drop from an all black face paint or pigment or whatever, and mixed them. This was way before this controversy and she was just sharing because someone asked her or something? Something like that. Anyway that’s what I was thinking about when I posted my original comment.
I do think the brand could have done better and more research. I understand people saying, nope, not gonna support that brand. But I do think that it could be a mixer in very specific situations like the one I saw in the video I described.
Thanks, but i found thi a little confusing. 🤔
Generally using black to make darker colors will never look natural, the same goes for skin tones. You don’t add black to get a dark yellow, you don’t add black to get dark red..
there are black foundation shade adjusters, meant to be mixed with already deep foundation colors.
That's true. But this product was not sold as such, and if it was, they would also need to release other mixers (red, yellow, green, etc) to make that workable.
@@WitchOracle yeah, i get that it was marketed as a foundation and hence all the uproar, but i think what it really IS, is a mixer, because it's the only thing i can think of to explain how this product was created. like in response to complaints that there weren't enough shades, the company thought, oh, well, we'll make a mixer so any shade can be darkened. but then for some reason they presented it like a foundation.
i have seen deep foundations deepened with just a black adjuster, but using only the tiniest amount. if it were to be sold as a mixer it should probably be in a smaller bottle to make that obvious.
@@retrogradepink it's very generous of you to give the brand the benefit of the doubt, but if that was their intention they would absolutely be marketing it like that. Especially with the popularity of drunk elephant "potions" I do actually think there is a market that is interested in DIY foundation mixing made easy, but they haven't done anything at all to suggest that. The only marketing they've done around shade 600 is trying to match it to people as is, not any kind of mixing. I think you're giving them too much credit.
@@retrogradepinkruclips.net/user/shortsO6EvpvzAQ4c?si=Sdk_nnUxjnsH3ZBD
this is a bit of a satirical video but it shows a example of what happens if you attempt to use this as a mixer. Mixers are available for many brands but they still have undertones to properly shade skin tones, this foundation does not. You cant shade with just straight black it will turn most if not all foundations grey as seen with the paint example in the video.
@@3arlobesniffa my assumption about being able to mix black is based on a video from 2018 that uses Mehron's black adjuster with a foundation that's already quite dark. maybe Mehron's product has undertones, but it looks like black, and Mehron makes professional stage makeup. so yeah, i don't know, i'm not trying to defend the brand. it's just mindblowing that this product would get made and that it's being marketed like this. here's the video for reference. ruclips.net/video/2jE5yBeyNtc/видео.html