@gracemercywrath8767 thank you for your efforts and videos! Right now I am watching and trying to learn how to properly understand scripture with inductive study. I had not realized how many preachers/teachers I have heard in the past that had such a bent toward Calvinism. I am trying to learn enough to be on guard for those who interpret through certain lenses.
I just watched this yesterday and as you stated, he started this video by talking about all the anti Calvinists on you tube with nothing else to do. I am so glad I have been able to see through the poor exegesis as I continue to grow in my faith. The heroes of the faith we can read and learn have been such a blessing. Just spent all of last week in seminars about Jonathan Edwards and the puritans . Great stuff. What I do find difficult is all the lies and misrepresentations that all the anti calvinsists all continue to spin to make their points. I hope you are not doing that. I welcome honest and loving discussion but it must honestly represent the other view. I had made a comment in life group at our church a few years ago. "Proper doctrine and Gods love are not mutually exclusive"
I believe I will give an account of every word to God and try to be loving and honest in my videos. I'm not perfect so if you see me misrepresenting something please let me know. I like the last part of your comment. I’ll probably us it in my Christian growth video! Blessings.
Your sophistry is noted. Don't start with a philosophical question (if the number is fixed, who fixed it? If it is fixed, then it must mean....) You're starting with philosophy and sophistry, not the bible. Please don't back track with what you meant to say, I've seen this kinda trickery before.
@@lonelyguyofficial8335 This is an old question, certainly not a "Gotcha" question, nor trickery. And, you obviously have no idea where the question was to lead. You attempted to shut it down so people including yourself can stay in their protective echo chamber.
Oh gosh... *"John Chapter 6 teaches Reformed Soteriology, there's no question about it.."* all these guys just make garbage claims like that there's absolutely zero evidence, at all, for a differing interpretation... Yeah, I technically agree with James White about hyper-dispensationalism but there's a HUGE difference between being a hyper-dispensationalist and committing narci-gesis .. you don't have to be a dispensationalist at all to recognize that what Jesus was talking about a specific person or persons at a specific time... if I find a Coke bottle from 1988 with an offer for a free soda on it I don't have to be a dispensationalist to recognize that offer is expired. And I can still go get a Coke at the store... James White and his strawmen and grandiosity... geez...
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God!
@@jjphank In Romans 8- His unmeasured love is for believers. There is no way to have all individuals be included in the end of Romans 8 and to have consistency (unless, you are a universalist??...) Also, the context defines/qualifies who the "all" are in 1 Timothy 2 and 2 Peter 3 and it is not "every single individual". You can't use Genesis 25 to override what Paul is saying in Romans 9, that's not proper hermeneutics. In Romans 9, he speaks of the two children as individuals.
@@josephgarrett3075 The grace of God has appeared to all men = Bible = Titus 2:11-12 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; First, Timothy 4:10 “for God is the savior of all men, especially those who believe “! Universalism is false, so this means that God has the ability to save everybody because God is love through and through ! Otherwise, what is your interpretation of this verse and Titus 2:11-12? Answer back bybreaking down the verbs and nouns! But you say ‘god is love’, wink wink, wink, that God’s prejudice, and racist ; just like the Calvinists, Civil War South slaveowners Who were Calvinists! All means all, in John 3:16 the most known verse in the Bible, and yet you mess that up! that means that you’re in trouble with God because you’ll end up in hell for uttering idle words (Matthew 12:36) unless you fix your doctrine! Drink your milk, Junior
Calvinists don’t like to talk about this verse either: Acts 14:22 we must go through many hardships to inherit the kingdom of God! John 3:16 is irrelevant to Calvinists, because predestination happened before Jesus died on the cross! God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God!
James White is a liar. His first statement is a lie. “Hyper-dispensationalists claiming that John isn’t for today?” There is no one like that on Earth! Why does he always misrepresent others? These calvinists refuse to read verse 45 where Jesus clearly qualifies who those Jews are, those obedient to Moses and the prophets. Jesus used this principle of those Jews that were following the law with real faith and those going throught the motions following their own traditions.
But there are hyper-dispensationalists who believe really weird things about the relevance of certain books/passages before the starting of the church, and those who break up Acts into many sections.....maybe he has done the study and is aware of those who do that for John? " Why does he ALWAYS misrepresent others? " Why brother, are you now lying and misrepresenting him?? he ALWAYS misrepresents others?? I've seen him constantly play entire segments of other people of what they said in context, so as to not misrepresent them. John 6:45 can't be taken away from it's context, especially the previous verse. He makes it clear that only those who come to Him (Christ) are those drawn by the Father. He uses 45 to illustrate this. Any person who is drawn to Jesus and comes to Him is apart of the "they" in verse 45, or is John 6 not applicable for us today?
@@josephgarrett3075 that very well be true. But in this context of John 6 Jesus is speaking specifically to those Jews hearing His voice. "True Israel" those Jews that "have learned from the Father" are godly Jews under the law that will be transferred to the Son by faith in Messiah because they have believed the word of God and they are hearing that word of God through Jesus.
@gracemercywrath8767 thank you for your efforts and videos! Right now I am watching and trying to learn how to properly understand scripture with inductive study. I had not realized how many preachers/teachers I have heard in the past that had such a bent toward Calvinism. I am trying to learn enough to be on guard for those who interpret through certain lenses.
I just watched this yesterday and as you stated, he started this video by talking about all the anti Calvinists on you tube with nothing else to do. I am so glad I have been able to see through the poor exegesis as I continue to grow in my faith.
The heroes of the faith we can read and learn have been such a blessing. Just spent all of last week in seminars about Jonathan Edwards and the puritans . Great stuff.
What I do find difficult is all the lies and misrepresentations that all the anti calvinsists all continue to spin to make their points. I hope you are not doing that.
I welcome honest and loving discussion but it must honestly represent the other view.
I had made a comment in life group at our church a few years ago. "Proper doctrine and Gods love are not mutually exclusive"
I believe I will give an account of every word to God and try to be loving and honest in my videos. I'm not perfect so if you see me misrepresenting something please let me know. I like the last part of your comment. I’ll probably us it in my Christian growth video! Blessings.
I just heard James White talk about his grandkids. He's not a Calvinist when he talks about his grandkids.
Beautifully said!
Hahaha😂😂 true, God bless his grandkids.
I have a question for you....
Is the number of the redeemed fixed?
Your sophistry is noted.
Don't start with a philosophical question (if the number is fixed, who fixed it? If it is fixed, then it must mean....)
You're starting with philosophy and sophistry, not the bible. Please don't back track with what you meant to say, I've seen this kinda trickery before.
@@lonelyguyofficial8335
This is an old question, certainly not a
"Gotcha" question, nor trickery.
And, you obviously have no idea where the question was to lead.
You attempted to shut it down so people
including yourself can stay in their protective echo chamber.
At the present time, I would think so. Concerning the future, no idea. Are we in Col 2 18 space?
Pardon me but aren't Calvinists often quick to tell us that Jeremiah 29:11 "Plans to prosper you" isn't about us?
Oh gosh... *"John Chapter 6 teaches Reformed Soteriology, there's no question about it.."* all these guys just make garbage claims like that there's absolutely zero evidence, at all, for a differing interpretation...
Yeah, I technically agree with James White about hyper-dispensationalism but there's a HUGE difference between being a hyper-dispensationalist and committing narci-gesis .. you don't have to be a dispensationalist at all to recognize that what Jesus was talking about a specific person or persons at a specific time... if I find a Coke bottle from 1988 with an offer for a free soda on it I don't have to be a dispensationalist to recognize that offer is expired. And I can still go get a Coke at the store...
James White and his strawmen and grandiosity... geez...
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God!
@@jjphank
In Romans 8- His unmeasured love is for believers. There is no way to have all individuals be included in the end of Romans 8 and to have consistency (unless, you are a universalist??...)
Also, the context defines/qualifies who the "all" are in 1 Timothy 2 and 2 Peter 3 and it is not "every single individual".
You can't use Genesis 25 to override what Paul is saying in Romans 9, that's not proper hermeneutics. In Romans 9, he speaks of the two children as individuals.
@@josephgarrett3075 The grace of God has appeared to all men = Bible = Titus 2:11-12
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
First, Timothy 4:10 “for God is the savior of all men, especially those who believe “!
Universalism is false, so this means that God has the ability to save everybody because God is love through and through ! Otherwise, what is your interpretation of this verse and Titus 2:11-12? Answer back bybreaking down the verbs and nouns!
But you say ‘god is love’, wink wink, wink, that God’s prejudice, and racist ; just like the Calvinists, Civil War South slaveowners Who were Calvinists!
All means all, in John 3:16 the most known verse in the Bible, and yet you mess that up! that means that you’re in trouble with God because you’ll end up in hell for uttering idle words (Matthew 12:36) unless you fix your doctrine!
Drink your milk, Junior
I’m not sure what you mean by saying John 6 is step three.
Calvinists don’t like to talk about this verse either: Acts 14:22 we must go through many hardships to inherit the kingdom of God!
John 3:16 is irrelevant to Calvinists, because predestination happened before Jesus died on the cross!
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God!
James White is a liar. His first statement is a lie. “Hyper-dispensationalists claiming that John isn’t for today?” There is no one like that on Earth! Why does he always misrepresent others? These calvinists refuse to read verse 45 where Jesus clearly qualifies who those Jews are, those obedient to Moses and the prophets. Jesus used this principle of those Jews that were following the law with real faith and those going throught the motions following their own traditions.
But there are hyper-dispensationalists who believe really weird things about the relevance of certain books/passages before the starting of the church, and those who break up Acts into many sections.....maybe he has done the study and is aware of those who do that for John?
" Why does he ALWAYS misrepresent others? "
Why brother, are you now lying and misrepresenting him?? he ALWAYS misrepresents others?? I've seen him constantly play entire segments of other people of what they said in context, so as to not misrepresent them.
John 6:45 can't be taken away from it's context, especially the previous verse. He makes it clear that only those who come to Him (Christ) are those drawn by the Father. He uses 45 to illustrate this. Any person who is drawn to Jesus and comes to Him is apart of the "they" in verse 45, or is John 6 not applicable for us today?
@@josephgarrett3075 that very well be true. But in this context of John 6 Jesus is speaking specifically to those Jews hearing His voice. "True Israel" those Jews that "have learned from the Father" are godly Jews under the law that will be transferred to the Son by faith in Messiah because they have believed the word of God and they are hearing that word of God through Jesus.
Maybe we must take the gloves off. White's statements about us are not misunderstandings. They are deliberate lies.