This is the best video you’ve put out this season. No flexing, no uber builds that most of us will never get. Just straight up truth - it sucks to be a sorc right now
Fr. I was kind of getting annoyed with the “new best this” and “new best that”. I genuinely appreciate a straightforward, honest review. I’ve never really liked mage classes in general because I’m more of the unga bunga type of gamer but genuinely found sorc to be fun but of course it has to be one of the worst classes to play compared to most of the others. Still beats Druid imo though lol
@gendrake3 it's not anymore up my knowledge. I think a flay bleed barbarian passed it. If flame shield immortal used holy bolts, it might be back on top, but if you watch the footage of that build, it's not even that strong. It just can't die, so it stays in the pile of ads and slowly ticks away live until the key passive kicks in and starts melting. The time to clear is 130-130 140 to 140 is slower. It's boring and not a caster conjure build it's a loophole build that takes either dumb luck or insane trade gold to buy the pieces to make it work. Current market 30-40 billion gold plus luck of a ga shake with cool down. The creator of that build said 60% cdr... good luck. And sorry on mobile so grammar sucks
Same thing i said about the guy in charged of necros since the game came out Lol... "dude must really Fin hate minion necros" finally this season us minion necro mains finally got to use the only thing that makes necros Necros... Minions but yeah i have a sorc and barb also lvl 100 this season and sorc is just meh compared to what it was last season. Druid needs a massive buff tho.
@@subzero308 I want to be a minion master and have to wait for POE 2 for it. I want to be a master who can control, oder around, and order to use skills. D4 you aren't a master but just there as the mindless minions do their own thing without control.
@subzero308 bro clearly you're not a necro main If u think that bone spear was king for necro for atleast 2 seasons. You can't call yourself a "minion main" that makes no sense.
I pushed so hard with FO, then attempted to swap over to this build......And realized, it's redonkulus and rolled a barb......Then rolled my face over the keyboard and pushed a pit 80 @ level 90.....Sorcs / Barbs aren't even playing the same game :( I hope it gets a buff mid season! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. - Third enchantment spot - Let Sorc wear 1 extra ring / amulet If they did that and didn't change our damage....We'd still have terrible damage :( But it'll at least give us some flexibility.
what would u use the 3rd enchantment slot for? 95% of our enchants are utterly useless or give a bit of QoL? If the would give 20-25% dmg (not by activating a passive LOL), the 2 would at least make up for 2 1-handed weapons aspects from the barb xD
I made my first barb and loving it such a huge difference even the loot drop is drastically better for barb round level 30 got all my gear for leveling gear, and than got almost all gear for my end game build. The difference in survival and damage is insane I completed my capstone dungeons very very early !! Frozen orb is trash and I got it temper tank 6 and when I got 1 shotted in pit tier 60, and I still wad unable to kill Lilith and any tormented I quit !!!! Playing sorceress. I'm done
Devs should really see this video. I play mostly sorc but every season it’s the same story, class is locked and not enjoyable in that state. So sad, they will lost us all after all. Great vid anyway
Biggest joke in the game is there's an aspect for sorc that gives you bonus DMG when you don't have defensives on your bar. Made me laugh and cry at the same time
You receive instant death with that one. Sorceress can't survive without having minimum 3-4 defense skills at all times when pushing anything remotely competitive
Barbarian is the best class both offensively and defensively. Best defensive passives matched with 4 weapon slots, half of which give double stats and bonuses on aspects. Rogue has the added weapon and huge scaling multipliers on key passives. Finally necromancer has the fastest stand alone passives for minions and golem. Though if you got rid of the bugs benefitting necro, they would drop off by a fair bit. To put it simply classes with the least weapon and by extension offensive stats, need a free 2h weapon slot. Or just receive massive number buffs through passives/key passives/aspects. When it comes to surviving after infinity flame shield gets fixed. Blizzard just needs to make flame shield last longer and only give unstoppable paired with damage reduction instead of damage immunity. Just my thoughts so far on how to not only make sorc more fun to play, but to do the same for druid as well.
Man I'm a necro player but I've done a barb for the spark. Without even having 100lvl I do same damage as with shadow blight at 100lvl and some upgrades.. I don't play thorns build but everything in open world dies from this and I have just one point spend
I have 4 Lvl 100 Specs this season, and dude, YOU'RE ON POINT!! Somebody at Blizzard HATES this class, it sucks so freaking bad. We need so much work from Blizzard. Thank you for this video! Maybe somebody at Blizzard will take notice. Oh yeah, I want to be able to cast on the move again, why do we have to stop to cast, so freaking stupid!!!
I play sorcerer every season and you hit the mark with this video we need more enhantment, equipment slots like extra rings, a relook at our based damages for skills, enhantment skills, and paragon boards its ridiculous
It’s literally because we get less aspects and capabilities of other classes. Same for Druid. Necromancer has good minions to make up for this. Companion aspects on druids need all slots filled to function. Let the Druid wield a 2H with a focus for a major attack speed reduction. Boom more damage and aspect solving. Sorcerer should get 3 enchantments again since we have limited item slots. (Looking at you Barb). Or give us a 3rd ring or maybe 2 amulets!! I promise it’s that simple.
Necro and druids should be able to wield 2H weapons with added off hand. Sorceror should be able to have 2 amulet slots, Can't have 2H with off hand. Barb stays the same due to 4 weapons and rogue stays the same.
I'm pretty sure the 3rd enchantment slot is coming with the expansion and is their way of strong arming us into the purchase. Just look at Occy; it would save you the Teleport enchantment, effectively giving you a third, but they ruin it by making it random. Blizzard should watch this video.
As far as enchantments go, third one alone won't change anything. They need to make it so your lucky hit chance or lucky hit effect chance are boosted against bosses.
Spilling your heart out in this video. Love to see you doing it, hate that you have to do it in the first place. As a fellow sorcerer enjoyer, it’s very sad to see how it is compared to the rest. I hope your efforts bring much needed change!
I think part of the problem when it comes to enchants is the 'bucket' calculation for damage. The highest damage is done by having different modifiers (like damage to burning, vulnerable damage, damage, lightning damage, crowd control damage) at about the same height. This means all builds need to include burning damage and vulnerable damage at least, and thus greatly hurts build variety. You talk about build variety but every build tries to accomplish the same thing, to get as many modifiers to different ways to do damage, and enable those ways (crit chance for crit damage, burn for damage against burning, lucky hit to make vulnerable or crowd controlled for those damage modifiers, you get the point). The vector is just different each build (fire bolt, frozen orb, ball lightning). It's just visual and how you press your buttons. The damage buckets need to be additive, that would free up the firebolt enchant at least. It would also make tal rasha optional instead of mandatory, and incentivise build variety.
Yeah druids need a lot of love this season as well. At least they were historically really good without all other 4 seasons. Sorcs have been pretty much bottom 2 unless there was a bug. And even though the flame shield cheese this season isn't a bug, it's definitely a oversight on the devs
I got to level 100, got bored of slogging through the very gradual changes for what should have been giant gear upgrades. Rolled Necromancer and zoomed through stuff at lvl 80 that I couldn't touch with my Sorc.
And as a necro main instead of buffing sorc and druid they're gonna nerf everything else and make the game trash again sadly... I really hope im 100% wrong but this is blizzard after all. It took necros so long to finally get to use minions through out the whole game and i feel in S5 they're going to ruin us again.
@@FlawleZ31only nerfs I expect will be bugs being patched. Pit 200 is the ceiling and 150-160 looks like our current limit. Next season will probably and hopefully focus on bringing up the classes and or builds that are sorely lacking.
@@thomasross9610 Yeah this game is still fresh when compared to the life cycle of D3 or even D2. I would be disappointed if we were already able to push to the ceiling of Pits. It took years for us to see GR150 clears in D3 and that's only because of the power ups and buffs the devs gave us.
I think the biggest thing holding back the sorc class is the fact it's still one of the most popular classes despite being one of the weakest (specially without infinite flame shield which is essentially just cheese)
Honestly without full uptime on flame shield I doubt we'd even reliably do 120. We have less tankiness than all of the other classes by a pretty large margin. Most builds require us to have 3 out of 6 of our abilities as defensives.
Rogue is a 1 button build barb is like 2 or 3 depending on which version of bash or flay your using. Sorcerer is like we only get 6 skills can I have just 2 more plus a passive up compete?
Sorc has been my go-to since D2. Rolled a FO and incinerate sorc, then tried out your telefrag build, which was fun. Pushed Pit with meh gear to about 45 with all 3. Then I rolled a Rogue. Pit 85 with meh gear. Sorc needs a lot of tweaks
good vid, ive really enjoyed your sorc stuff, i have made 3 different sorcs this season and may be about to do a 4th. your builds have been a lot of fun. thank you
The biggest problem i feel is balancing all the characters as a minion necro main since day 1 when the game came out i was only ever to really use minions this season in end game... Idc if other classes r stronger but i do think every class should be able to play whatever they want and still be atleast powerful in end game... If someone spends the time min/maxing their characters and theyre able to 1 shot everything in the game thats good thats the whole point of the game to get to the point where u dont have to play the game anymore. But if i have still good gear and farmed what i needed lvl 100 and still cant kill these dumb bullet sponge enemies that hit like tanks isnt fun and makes people not wanna play... I dont like content like the pit cause its not challenging in a good way its difficult strictly because of all the health they have and them being able to 1 shot even when i have good gear i farmed. When u have all the gear u need in the game its just not fully tempered or masterworked and u still can barely do end game content that to me is just dumb. I have to farm the BIS gear for my characters and then have to GAMBLE WITH TEMPERING AND MASTERWORKING smh hell no. Rant over i like this season but tempering and masterworking suck.
I would say masterworking is fine since you can reroll it and gives meaning to gold and the other materials now but, hard agree on tempering and hate the artificial difficulty of more health. Tempering has just felt awful bricking gear left and right is not fun. I don't agree with people that say bricking weapons is healthy. It isn't it dissuades a lot of people from even partaking in the system.
This is why bugged builds hurt the game. When Ball Lightning was bugged and doing more dmg than, the Sorc players rejoiced. But now, the bugged builds are Bash Barb and Heartseeker rogue. The other builds on rogue are roughly at the same level as Sorc. Likewise for Barb, other than builds relying on Bash, most other builds are roughly the same power level as Sorc.
As a pure Sorc player, this video is 100% right on literally every point. I've taken to just making weaker builds at times, to avoid having to use the "standard" Sorc loadout. Yes, even an experiment with a Thorns/barrier Sorc. The conditional damage, enhancement abilities, and base damage all need adjustments, IMO.
As a Sorc we need to be able to choose from all our enchantments and have freedom to do that. Would make the class feel so much better. Hope they change this soon
This wouldn't entirely help since a lot of sorc damage just scales pretty badly right now. Being able to add another aspect wouldn't fix that. I wish we could have our 3rd enhancement slot back, but that wouldn't exactly fix things either.
@Mesoz so 3rd slot and extra weapons to get to a 125ish to 130 max without mekunas build? At least it would be much easier to get the cdr and breakpoints
The fact that they nerfed Frozen Orb from PTR but kept Necromancer and Barb OP tells you everything you need to know. In addition many of our damage reduction is conditional as well. Dmg reduction from chilled/crowd controlled is straight up useless in Boss figths. And DMG red. from Burning and Vulnurable doesn't work against the "Shadows" from PIT Bosses. So Perma Flameshield is pretty much the only way to not get oneshot.
Every class sucks this season. Necro = your minions just play for you Barb Rogue Sorc = basic attack spam is the only end game Druid = there is no end game
I think a good way to fix sorcerer would be to expand on the enchantment system by allowing us to slot a basic skill, 1-2 proc skills, and a permanent skill
The current status of Sorcerer is pretty weird. 1.Tankiness; 2, Damage; 3 Infinite/friendly resource control, or high mobility with low CDs to compensate the the lack of previous 2 by spamming tons of low damage skills in short span; Either you are so extremely tanky or glass cannon in late/end game. Sorcerer got non of them and extremely resource hungry and squishy from start to end. which make survivor skill like flame shield a must. No other ways around.
And this is the season I started a Sorc and honestly I’m having fun with Incinerate but you’re right to get stuck with the same skill setup just to survive does suck.
Was having a blast leveling with incinerate in helltides before I could feel it falling off. Now I'm trying frozen orbs to push on but don't know if it feels worth it.
Yes I found the same thing SO I leveled another sorc with frozen orb and I rock and love it and my wife really is not a gamer but she plays this because its basic play style okay she is a button masher and it works for her LOL
U will run into the same problems as mentioned here. The damage scaling is worse than childlike in comparison to other clssses. There's just not enough multiplicative scaling as with other classes. We can't push any higher than pit 119 and even with immortal shield, the timeer will run out. Because the boss hp won't be affected by the silly poke damage from sorc.
@@gideonsemyalo2338 Eh frozen orb can scale pretty decently. Problem is though you have to build full on glass cannon, and also build for massive cd decrease and flame shield uptime. And this is where almost every sorc build having to go at least for pushing. But yeah even with that, sorc dmg still fails in comparison to barb, necro, even rogue, and probably below druid to tbh. Saying that I still find sorc to probably be one of the most fun classes to play.
spent several weeks on my sorc and it still perform way low compared to other class despite of having decent gears and uber uniques. I switched to barb and in a week, it was able to outperform my sorc using mediocre gears and same ubers :(
A HUGE WARNING!!! I kept telling you a few months ago to quit complaining about having to take Firebolt as an enchantment because the passive that buffed crit dmg to burning enemies was TOO GOOD to take..... I warned you that the result would be the opposite of what you hoped. You hoped Blizz would "balance" the Sorc by buffing other skills/passives or something like that...but this is blizz we are dealing with, you should have known what they would do.... And the same thing will 100000% happen with our ONLY good build. Blizz will take it from us, and not compensate us one bit. Then we will be in the dregs another season or 2. Dont forget that even if you dont go full on into complete immortality, even a 4-5 sec flame shield with a few seconds gap is an awesome deal for us....and Blizz will undoubtedly either remove the FS duration temper, remove the immune status from it, or some other penalty like an internal cd before the effect can be used again. You have a responsibility as a CC with massive reach. Guaranteed blizz listens to people like you, and if you are asking for nerfs, they will gladly give
I'm so glad you made this video. I want to be a lighting sorc so bad with chain lighting, but everything is so underwhelming, so I'm using your incinerate build til they fix sorc smh
I been trying to test tal rashas loop. I swapped it for a good ring with conceited and I don't see a big difference at the damage numbers. Ice spikes build
Oh damn this is intense, but also true... is this also why I haven't seen anyone using Meteor this season? I loved it last season and wrecked with it but see nothing on it now. Would be great to see it again.
While cooking on my build I started to realize I NEED flame shield, so also ice blades to not constantly die to everything - the crackling cooldown alone just isn't enough.
You went from complaining that Sorc needed love for pit, celebrating the infinishield build and a guide how... now that Sorc is top clear and has invulnerable build... it's not enough? You've completely lost me. I'm assuming you've watched your own videos over the last 2 weeks, yeah?
Man, this is such a good video! Not just sitting there complaining, he’s literally giving good alternatives and options to fix the issues w Sorcs. Especially, after watching the Witch showcase from POE 2… That class made me excited to see the other classes! I really want to love D4, tho. 😒
When you have a system that deals with such huge numbers, and people working on it without the old school training programmers used to get... you get this. I see no way around the issues at this point. Without dare I say it?, a complete break down back to basics and start again. Great video and really nails the trash we are dealing with as a sorc.
The biggest problem for me is the absolute inability to do a mono-element sorc. You basically need to run a tal rasha's loop which means you need to be dishing out multi-element damage. The class is just way, way too shoehorned down a single avenue for multiplicative damage scaling and DR on it's affixes and paragon board. That means every build is very similar to each other.
Hey, I'm still having fun playing ball lightning. I was frustrated when I couldn't clear T61 because that prevented me from upgrading. With some tweaks from your guides and patches I'm now rushing 69 and it feels good. I don't know any better and that helps. I never played season 2 ball or another build in s4. No plans to go immortal either. So I guess I need to just be happy where I'm at and push 80-90s. It's a grind but as a casual player I enjoy it. I don't feel like I'm going from 98 to 99 in D2R with repeat content. Thank you!
You should do a poll to see how many Sorcs have solo pushed beyond Pit Tier 70, 80, 90, and 100. As a commenter said, I bet the number is very low. I do think the class is fun. I love playing the builds, and most of the builds can blow through content, but they just need to fix the single target damage. There are LOTS of ways to do this, some of which are posted below, but I doubt they'll do anything midseason. The easiest thing they could do is just pump up the damage on all the skills, glyphs, and rare paragon nodes.
This season i started as a sorc, made a minion necro, now onto my rogue. The exact reason i moved on from Sorc to necro was obviously boss power but it was also basically what youre describing, farming the gear for infinite flame shield felt like a requirement. Especially because i really loved frozen orb build, but felt so underpowered when i got to a boss. I got lucky and had a few nice pieces i found. I got lucky with tempering and thought i was doing well. I was very wrong. I was sooo far off. I'm just about at the point where I'm going to salvage all my extra sorc gear i was saving for tempering bricked items and possible other builds to make room for the rogue gear thats getting piled up now that I'm level 100. Sucks cause sorc can be so fun but they really suck when youve played a couple other classes that are so superior in so many ways. I'm having a blast on the rogue! First time I've played one in D4 and feel very ashamed I've been missing out for this long. The only class i never got to 100 and I'm absolutely loving it. I'm actually glad there were these issues with sorc cause i discovered a class that feels strong and is very fun to play. Good riddance sorc! They'll do them justice some day.
You have summarised nicely, I get depressed with damage my barb, rogue friends are doing but still come back to it after sometime. The class definitely needs a redesign of the skills.
I'm a casual Diablo player with three sorcerers: experimentation, enjoyment, and mat farming in pits. All I ask is that they raise the skill level-not just "a little bit" but significantly. I agree that the endless flame shield is boring. It's unfortunate that, as a casual player, my crafted build is so weak in the endgame despite being great in early stages. To progress in the pit, I must search for RageGamingVideos' broken sorc builds, but because of you, I can enjoy myself using your teleport build. I think we can all agree that RageGamingVideos' theory making makes S4 fun for sorc.
Love this video, a third enchantment slot would really make an impact. I play a bouncy fireball / hydra build with frozen orb as an enchantment….. because it’s fun. But there are definitely limitations.. I can clear pits up to 70, then killing the boss becomes a “challenge” to say the least. I’m still putting together gear, but I’m realizing there’s no big improvement through gear that will help this build. A lot of what you suggest would really improve fun builds like this. After all, if you’re not having fun. What’s the point. I am also play frozen orb and ball lightning this season, ball lighting hit a wall at about pit 102, frozen orb ran into that same wall at about 117. I have yet to find an Uber unique, I’ve crafted a ring of the starless sky. Thanks for the great videos! Keep them coming!
The biggest problem of this game is the unused weapons which are always active especially for barbarians and also for rogues. Counting double two-handed weapons, barbarians have: 4 implicit bonuses 12 affixes (GA) 8 tempers 4 gems 4 aspects And all masterworking that goes with it more than sorc, necro and druids. Just look at the strength on weapon’s slots. Barbarians can get with GA and gems 1410str. Sorcerers 470 ints.
Really good video I’m a sorcerer main, played all classes but nothing takes me away from sorcerer, i agree it is so thrusting to be looking for the specific items just to make us be able to even complete with other classes we need some love for sure. Thanks for the video ❤❤
On a general note, the really need to up the amount of mats in the pit. It takes way way to long to masterwork, and remasterwork again and again to get the procs where you need it. Tempering breaking a ga item is allso very demotivational.
The comment especially on the enchantments being so weak is spot on. 90% of the enchantments are "this could be really cool if it was just 10x stronger than it is currently"
my roommate and I were JUST joking that you're not complaining because Blizzard is buying you all of your games... his sorcerer went from clearing level 70 pit to being lucky to get over 40 after the most recent patch you mention here, they broke something about damage reduction even further because he actually had to give up protection nodes in his paragon board to undo something that was allowing him to be oneshot if he had it. his sorcerer is actually parked for the first time since season 1 because it's costing him too much bricking his gear at the tempering setting or spending 100's of millions at the enchanter and her survivability is so low that re-earning is harder and harder every time they put in a "fix." his sorcerer is absolutely unable to survive when there are hidden risks of a one-shot kill all the time. thank you for finally saying something we can point to, because even the devs know if you're struggling someone like ME has no hope at all of enjoying my sorcerer and someone like my roommate is spending hours yelling at them from his side of the screen.
I got 2 sorcs to 100 to be able to use 2 builds at once. I don't know how long I spent playing but it was a lot for me and was still easily dying at pit 70, with the full builds and gear in place. I wanted another resplendent spark and rolled a necro. I hardly farmed gear for it, just applied the required aspects and was able to immediately do a tier 70 pit and go past the lvl 78 that I was stuck on with sorc.
I am playing your teleport sorc, it's just so much fun. It's fine for me casual since I just want something that can farm pit 69 fast. Thanks again for an awesome out of meta build! You guys is my favorite channel because you actually explain how to play a build instead of just giving us the build
So I've seen Sorcerer, Druid and Rogue say their class is useless now. The lead class designer did admit Barbarian is OP and that the necro pet changes were a first step in bringing other class powers up to where Barbarian is. Hopefully the big class balance changes they are announcing tomorrow are the second step.
I think the best thing about this season is being able to get characters up to a high level quickly. Also that the classes are balanced decently enough to where ive had fun getting a sorc, barb, and necro up to level 100. I dont really have people to play with but thats what I think they were focusing on; being able to have fun as a team while also being able to change high lvl characters on the fly.
The sorc is incredibly nerfed. Since the game came out, its like Blizzard has had something against a powerful sorc. Sure they did lightning ball, but not all of us want to run around w some stupid lightning ball orbiting atound ur waste killing things as u move. Great video and entirely accurate. Loved how you called out the enchantment node! Ive been saying things like that on all the sorc boards.
Agreed. I’m not even attempting to run a barrier as a sorc because of this ridiculous literal need for one. Been playing Spark/Unstable and have gone full glass cannon at this point. Landed at Pit 61 last night, will easily grind the low 50s for mats to get perfect rolls but without a single helmet - the build is decent but the 60s will be a cap even with MW gear. Perfect gear should top out around 80s for the Spark set up.
I wish Sorc didn’t have to rely so much on defensive skills. It’s really difficult to build builds that don’t use them because they are too good. I don’t think they need nerfs tho. I think the offensive options need buffs or at least synergize with each other more. I love how they approached the Druid’s boulder synergizing with hurricane by swirling the boulder around it. I think Sorc needs more stuff like that.
i was really trying not to play immortal firebolt, but as the time passed i was tired of not doing dmg and also not having survivability, even though i was playing "immortal frozen orb" (bcs u do way less dmg, and ice blade's cdr are not reliable if it's not at boss fights) so i decided just to try the only meta build and go back to mine after one day or 2, but it's so much more fun to play a build that actually works, even though it's kind of a boring playstyle (I realized that tpeing all around is not that bad when u reach a good amount of AS), that way i got the feelling of how the season is going for the other classes (druid excluded), so just go with the wave you guys, it's really fun to know that u can get somewhere in the game, maybe tomorrow we'll be getting good news for the mid season patch
Totally agree with everything you said. I have tried every different type of build and configuration of said build and without perfect gear you come unstuck at higher levels. Either add 1-2 extra enchantment slots or add an extra weapon slot for any type of 2 handed weapon, Grandfather. Imagine having a focus, wand and a 2 handed weapon to utilize. Tried a pure crackling build, maximizing lucky stun on hit. But they nerfed the shit out of the glyph, WTF. And why a counter for orbs you can hold should be a counter that gives you up to 999. And why does a build purposely built to generate crackling energy drop off with more gear attuned to it and drop off and they don't proc stun. Total waste of time and resources. Get rid of crackling if it's sole purpose is to generate resource only. I found out if you have the overflowing energy on your crackling generation drops off. First thing I did when I got the pet was put on my crackling gear,respec thinking maybe the pet picks it up. I didn't. Crackling drops are bugged you kill something close to you and the crackling orb generates as far as possible from you. Spent most of my time on edges of screen trying to pick them up. Blizzard testers completely missed the mark with this skill. Yet you have a third of your skills and passives dedicated to crackling energy.
I think you just put into words exactly why I, having not played this game since pre-season 1, started season 4 as a Sorcerer and quit the class for Skeletal Mage Necro in less than a week. I feel like parts of this argument could be said for the entirety of the game including all classes to an extent. Each class has like 1, maybe 2, viable builds for end-game and require basically perfect gear to pull off with the same skills and passives on each variation save for your one damage dealer. Maybe it's just my perception of the game due to not playing the past 3 seasons and every bloody video on RUclips being just another dude rehashing the same carbon copy, min-maxed to hell, pit pushing meta build as the last guy, but it feels like the game has no variety. I was initially excited for the October expansion, but the longer I play this game the more I'm considering hanging it up and waiting for PoE2.
Leveled a necromancer, barbarian, and rogue to level 100. Then, experimented with a Sorcerer until the meteor build was complete, after which I stopped playing.
Cant wait for them to give Sorcerer skills a 2.5% damage buff and to specifically say that they're being very generous with the buffs. But being cautious not to overtune it..
I really admire mono-class players. It is cool to see how much effort can someone put into making the class they like the best possible. I think the same way, and I also love playing sorc. This video got yourself a new subscriber, because I saw that you are a human just like us and you, as a content creator, gave voice to our upsetting. Thank you, this video, in fact, motivated me to keep using my sorc the best I can.
Also a useful buff would be granting better enchantment passives, one more enchantment slot, 2 additional weapon slots where u can swap into orb+wand / Staff (as stats sticks/aspects whatever). Better Paragon nodes. Yea this would be a great change.
Infinite FS (or close to it) to work 40% CDR and reasonable AS is enough (enchant basic skill attack speed +30% if necessary). No need for Iceblades in the Firebolt/Flamewall build. No, you don't need perfect rolls everywhere. Not even greater affixes - just master working to +8 with proper Tempering stats. Around PIT +80 can be done with 90% Infinite FS. Gathered it in 5 days after the max level and I do enjoy it immensely - no bullshit echo can 1shot me. Thank you for the good content you are creating - it is enjoyable to watch it. I agree with most of the info on this video.
I really appreciate you breaking Flame Shield down like this...now i know its realistically out of reach for me...i was curious about what it took but i hadn't cared enough to look up a build for it...
i think Flame Shield should cost so much magical energy that it causes the sorceress to be stunned for 3 seconds after it wears off. I also, think people should stop complaining about how powerful it is when they have consistently taken advantage of it. I have had many sorceresses and never used Flame Shield once because it's dumb enough to break immersion for me.
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This is the best video you’ve put out this season. No flexing, no uber builds that most of us will never get. Just straight up truth - it sucks to be a sorc right now
Fr. I was kind of getting annoyed with the “new best this” and “new best that”. I genuinely appreciate a straightforward, honest review. I’ve never really liked mage classes in general because I’m more of the unga bunga type of gamer but genuinely found sorc to be fun but of course it has to be one of the worst classes to play compared to most of the others. Still beats Druid imo though lol
Sorc has the highest solo non holy bolt pit push so idk why yall are complaining.
@gendrake3 it's not anymore up my knowledge. I think a flay bleed barbarian passed it. If flame shield immortal used holy bolts, it might be back on top, but if you watch the footage of that build, it's not even that strong. It just can't die, so it stays in the pile of ads and slowly ticks away live until the key passive kicks in and starts melting. The time to clear is 130-130 140 to 140 is slower. It's boring and not a caster conjure build it's a loophole build that takes either dumb luck or insane trade gold to buy the pieces to make it work. Current market 30-40 billion gold plus luck of a ga shake with cool down. The creator of that build said 60% cdr... good luck. And sorry on mobile so grammar sucks
@@GenDrake3watch the video ffs. Broken doesn't equal fun.
@@GenDrake3 link?
The guy in charge of the Sorcerer class at Blizzard really f****ing hates Sorcerers for some reason.
Same thing i said about the guy in charged of necros since the game came out Lol... "dude must really Fin hate minion necros" finally this season us minion necro mains finally got to use the only thing that makes necros Necros... Minions but yeah i have a sorc and barb also lvl 100 this season and sorc is just meh compared to what it was last season. Druid needs a massive buff tho.
It's probably a woman
@@subzero308 I want to be a minion master and have to wait for POE 2 for it. I want to be a master who can control, oder around, and order to use skills. D4 you aren't a master but just there as the mindless minions do their own thing without control.
@subzero308 bro clearly you're not a necro main If u think that bone spear was king for necro for atleast 2 seasons. You can't call yourself a "minion main" that makes no sense.
@@davidfrazier6308I don't think he's a necro main or played necro since launch
LMFAOOOOO.
Listening to this while currently framing helltides for the perfect x3 greater affix. This was like a 20 min therapy session.
My friends and I have talked about this since the season 1 debacle. We’ve come to the conclusion that the lead dev is a Barb main and they hate Sorc.
Agreed!
I pushed so hard with FO, then attempted to swap over to this build......And realized, it's redonkulus and rolled a barb......Then rolled my face over the keyboard and pushed a pit 80 @ level 90.....Sorcs / Barbs aren't even playing the same game :( I hope it gets a buff mid season!
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
- Third enchantment spot
- Let Sorc wear 1 extra ring / amulet
If they did that and didn't change our damage....We'd still have terrible damage :( But it'll at least give us some flexibility.
Yeah I am hoping the big mid season patch we are getting tomorrow comes with some nice sorc buffs
what would u use the 3rd enchantment slot for? 95% of our enchants are utterly useless or give a bit of QoL? If the would give 20-25% dmg (not by activating a passive LOL), the 2 would at least make up for 2 1-handed weapons aspects from the barb xD
Did the same feel the same as you. Sorc so bad
I made my first barb and loving it such a huge difference even the loot drop is drastically better for barb round level 30 got all my gear for leveling gear, and than got almost all gear for my end game build. The difference in survival and damage is insane I completed my capstone dungeons very very early !!
Frozen orb is trash and I got it temper tank 6 and when I got 1 shotted in pit tier 60, and I still wad unable to kill Lilith and any tormented I quit !!!! Playing sorceress. I'm done
Devs should really see this video.
I play mostly sorc but every season it’s the same story, class is locked and not enjoyable in that state. So sad, they will lost us all after all.
Great vid anyway
I main sorc, so this is a real "feeling seen" vid
@@davidfrazier6308party a link to the forums, I'll go complain
Also yes there should be 3 enchantment slots. One for each element type sorceress uses. Fire, Ice, and Lightning
Or an extra AMULET. That would be fair almost by itself.
Give sorceress 2 extra enchantment slots, and extra ring slot
Finally someone else calling out problem with 'cast' and sorc, i hope blizzard sees this
They will see it the real question is will they do something about it in a positive way.
Biggest joke in the game is there's an aspect for sorc that gives you bonus DMG when you don't have defensives on your bar. Made me laugh and cry at the same time
You receive instant death with that one. Sorceress can't survive without having minimum 3-4 defense skills at all times when pushing anything remotely competitive
You, sir, are way too generous! Sorc has sucked this whole game! Give me d3 sorc, bring those employees back!
How i miss Archon!! 😪
Ball lightning season 2 was GODLY!! most OP build by far
Barbarian is the best class both offensively and defensively. Best defensive passives matched with 4 weapon slots, half of which give double stats and bonuses on aspects. Rogue has the added weapon and huge scaling multipliers on key passives. Finally necromancer has the fastest stand alone passives for minions and golem. Though if you got rid of the bugs benefitting necro, they would drop off by a fair bit. To put it simply classes with the least weapon and by extension offensive stats, need a free 2h weapon slot. Or just receive massive number buffs through passives/key passives/aspects. When it comes to surviving after infinity flame shield gets fixed. Blizzard just needs to make flame shield last longer and only give unstoppable paired with damage reduction instead of damage immunity. Just my thoughts so far on how to not only make sorc more fun to play, but to do the same for druid as well.
They should give druid and mage an extra amulet and ring slot and to be fair probaly necro as well
@@asmo8725as a minion necro main i agree 100%.
They need something and soon or they will lose a fair bit of their player base
Man I'm a necro player but I've done a barb for the spark. Without even having 100lvl I do same damage as with shadow blight at 100lvl and some upgrades.. I don't play thorns build but everything in open world dies from this and I have just one point spend
Well said!
I have 4 Lvl 100 Specs this season, and dude, YOU'RE ON POINT!! Somebody at Blizzard HATES this class, it sucks so freaking bad. We need so much work from Blizzard. Thank you for this video! Maybe somebody at Blizzard will take notice. Oh yeah, I want to be able to cast on the move again, why do we have to stop to cast, so freaking stupid!!!
I play sorcerer every season and you hit the mark with this video we need more enhantment, equipment slots like extra rings, a relook at our based damages for skills, enhantment skills, and paragon boards its ridiculous
It’s literally because we get less aspects and capabilities of other classes. Same for Druid.
Necromancer has good minions to make up for this.
Companion aspects on druids need all slots filled to function. Let the Druid wield a 2H with a focus for a major attack speed reduction. Boom more damage and aspect solving.
Sorcerer should get 3 enchantments again since we have limited item slots. (Looking at you Barb). Or give us a 3rd ring or maybe 2 amulets!! I promise it’s that simple.
At this point the game is balanced around barbs 😂
Necro and druids should be able to wield 2H weapons with added off hand.
Sorceror should be able to have 2 amulet slots, Can't have 2H with off hand.
Barb stays the same due to 4 weapons and rogue stays the same.
The one time Sorcerer was the top was because of Ball Lightning bug. After that was fixed post-season Sorc was pulled straight down to earth
Thank you. The sorc's power discrepancy compared to the other classes is frustrating. I need perfect gear to run a pit61, and that's sad.
Yeah it's ridiculous bit pit 60 with a death and got no materials 😢
I'm pretty sure the 3rd enchantment slot is coming with the expansion and is their way of strong arming us into the purchase.
Just look at Occy; it would save you the Teleport enchantment, effectively giving you a third, but they ruin it by making it random.
Blizzard should watch this video.
As far as enchantments go, third one alone won't change anything. They need to make it so your lucky hit chance or lucky hit effect chance are boosted against bosses.
Spilling your heart out in this video. Love to see you doing it, hate that you have to do it in the first place. As a fellow sorcerer enjoyer, it’s very sad to see how it is compared to the rest. I hope your efforts bring much needed change!
Most sorcerers struggle past pit 50-60 and tormented bosses are out of question
I think part of the problem when it comes to enchants is the 'bucket' calculation for damage. The highest damage is done by having different modifiers (like damage to burning, vulnerable damage, damage, lightning damage, crowd control damage) at about the same height. This means all builds need to include burning damage and vulnerable damage at least, and thus greatly hurts build variety.
You talk about build variety but every build tries to accomplish the same thing, to get as many modifiers to different ways to do damage, and enable those ways (crit chance for crit damage, burn for damage against burning, lucky hit to make vulnerable or crowd controlled for those damage modifiers, you get the point). The vector is just different each build (fire bolt, frozen orb, ball lightning). It's just visual and how you press your buttons.
The damage buckets need to be additive, that would free up the firebolt enchant at least. It would also make tal rasha optional instead of mandatory, and incentivise build variety.
Druids: wait y’all are getting cake???
Druid easily has much better builds than sorcerer this season
@@j0a0m4 How? It's the only class that can't compete in Pits, or PvP because no build can survive the one-shot, or deal enough dmg to not care.
Clearing 120s......
@@faatman42 One concrete build that is not even in the first 100 places. Sure...
Yeah druids need a lot of love this season as well. At least they were historically really good without all other 4 seasons. Sorcs have been pretty much bottom 2 unless there was a bug. And even though the flame shield cheese this season isn't a bug, it's definitely a oversight on the devs
I got to level 100, got bored of slogging through the very gradual changes for what should have been giant gear upgrades. Rolled Necromancer and zoomed through stuff at lvl 80 that I couldn't touch with my Sorc.
And as a necro main instead of buffing sorc and druid they're gonna nerf everything else and make the game trash again sadly... I really hope im 100% wrong but this is blizzard after all. It took necros so long to finally get to use minions through out the whole game and i feel in S5 they're going to ruin us again.
@@subzero308Yeah thats Blizzard in a nutshell. Instead of buffing weaker classes or builds they just nerf the strong and meta builds.
@@FlawleZ31only nerfs I expect will be bugs being patched. Pit 200 is the ceiling and 150-160 looks like our current limit. Next season will probably and hopefully focus on bringing up the classes and or builds that are sorely lacking.
@@thomasross9610 Yeah this game is still fresh when compared to the life cycle of D3 or even D2. I would be disappointed if we were already able to push to the ceiling of Pits. It took years for us to see GR150 clears in D3 and that's only because of the power ups and buffs the devs gave us.
took 300 hours to figure it out? come on rage lol you knew 3 hours in
I think the biggest thing holding back the sorc class is the fact it's still one of the most popular classes despite being one of the weakest (specially without infinite flame shield which is essentially just cheese)
Honestly without full uptime on flame shield I doubt we'd even reliably do 120. We have less tankiness than all of the other classes by a pretty large margin. Most builds require us to have 3 out of 6 of our abilities as defensives.
Meanwhile rogues only have to hold down the attack button.
Barb goes bonk bonk bonk while scratching their balls with the other hand
That's crazy @@davidfrazier6308
And then talk about being the most complicated class...
Rogue is a 1 button build barb is like 2 or 3 depending on which version of bash or flay your using. Sorcerer is like we only get 6 skills can I have just 2 more plus a passive up compete?
Sorc has been my go-to since D2. Rolled a FO and incinerate sorc, then tried out your telefrag build, which was fun. Pushed Pit with meh gear to about 45 with all 3. Then I rolled a Rogue. Pit 85 with meh gear. Sorc needs a lot of tweaks
Exactly my experience lmao
Let’s hope we´ll have good news tomorrow, as a main sorc it pains me to see it in such a state
As a main druid, first time? 😁
Yes. My rouge and barb laugh at my frozen orb sorc that sits at the bar drinking herself sober.
In depressed that 4 seasons in we're still handicapped into taking all the defensive skill trees
good vid, ive really enjoyed your sorc stuff, i have made 3 different sorcs this season and may be about to do a 4th. your builds have been a lot of fun. thank you
The biggest problem i feel is balancing all the characters as a minion necro main since day 1 when the game came out i was only ever to really use minions this season in end game... Idc if other classes r stronger but i do think every class should be able to play whatever they want and still be atleast powerful in end game... If someone spends the time min/maxing their characters and theyre able to 1 shot everything in the game thats good thats the whole point of the game to get to the point where u dont have to play the game anymore. But if i have still good gear and farmed what i needed lvl 100 and still cant kill these dumb bullet sponge enemies that hit like tanks isnt fun and makes people not wanna play... I dont like content like the pit cause its not challenging in a good way its difficult strictly because of all the health they have and them being able to 1 shot even when i have good gear i farmed. When u have all the gear u need in the game its just not fully tempered or masterworked and u still can barely do end game content that to me is just dumb. I have to farm the BIS gear for my characters and then have to GAMBLE WITH TEMPERING AND MASTERWORKING smh hell no. Rant over i like this season but tempering and masterworking suck.
I would say masterworking is fine since you can reroll it and gives meaning to gold and the other materials now but, hard agree on tempering and hate the artificial difficulty of more health. Tempering has just felt awful bricking gear left and right is not fun. I don't agree with people that say bricking weapons is healthy. It isn't it dissuades a lot of people from even partaking in the system.
So true. I like the pit, liked in in D3 as well but it's one of the cheaper forms of endgame you can do in a game tbh.
This is why bugged builds hurt the game. When Ball Lightning was bugged and doing more dmg than, the Sorc players rejoiced. But now, the bugged builds are Bash Barb and Heartseeker rogue. The other builds on rogue are roughly at the same level as Sorc. Likewise for Barb, other than builds relying on Bash, most other builds are roughly the same power level as Sorc.
Exactly he’s just crying because his bugged build isn’t working lol - why is running an exploit build “cool” lol
shout out to rage gaming for being the only reason I keep remembering this game exists
What game is this ? 😂🎉
@@godspear100 diablo hunter wilds 45
As a pure Sorc player, this video is 100% right on literally every point. I've taken to just making weaker builds at times, to avoid having to use the "standard" Sorc loadout. Yes, even an experiment with a Thorns/barrier Sorc.
The conditional damage, enhancement abilities, and base damage all need adjustments, IMO.
then how this Mekuna's can run unending flameshield withouth the + duration on the armor exactly? hmz
As a Sorc we need to be able to choose from all our enchantments and have freedom to do that. Would make the class feel so much better. Hope they change this soon
Agreed. 100%. This is what burns us out, the cap is is low and insanely hard to reach.
The option to wield a staff and wand/focus at same time like other classes would help
This wouldn't entirely help since a lot of sorc damage just scales pretty badly right now. Being able to add another aspect wouldn't fix that. I wish we could have our 3rd enhancement slot back, but that wouldn't exactly fix things either.
@Mesoz so 3rd slot and extra weapons to get to a 125ish to 130 max without mekunas build? At least it would be much easier to get the cdr and breakpoints
We need both. What would help is an extra AMULET
I'm never going to get to the point where I'd feel like you do, but I'm loving your teleport build, so much fun.
The fact that they nerfed Frozen Orb from PTR but kept Necromancer and Barb OP tells you everything you need to know.
In addition many of our damage reduction is conditional as well. Dmg reduction from chilled/crowd controlled is straight up useless in Boss figths. And DMG red. from Burning and Vulnurable doesn't work against the "Shadows" from PIT Bosses. So Perma Flameshield is pretty much the only way to not get oneshot.
Ouch! Just dropped a hammer on my tippie toes
But they said entertainment twice
Every class sucks this season.
Necro = your minions just play for you
Barb Rogue Sorc = basic attack spam is the only end game
Druid = there is no end game
I think a good way to fix sorcerer would be to expand on the enchantment system by allowing us to slot a basic skill, 1-2 proc skills, and a permanent skill
The current status of Sorcerer is pretty weird.
1.Tankiness;
2, Damage;
3 Infinite/friendly resource control, or high mobility with low CDs to compensate the the lack of previous 2 by spamming tons of low damage skills in short span;
Either you are so extremely tanky or glass cannon in late/end game.
Sorcerer got non of them and extremely resource hungry and squishy from start to end. which make survivor skill like flame shield a must. No other ways around.
And this is the season I started a Sorc and honestly I’m having fun with Incinerate but you’re right to get stuck with the same skill setup just to survive does suck.
Was having a blast leveling with incinerate in helltides before I could feel it falling off. Now I'm trying frozen orbs to push on but don't know if it feels worth it.
FO is fun.
Yes I found the same thing SO I leveled another sorc with frozen orb and I rock and love it and my wife really is not a gamer but she plays this because its basic play style okay she is a button masher and it works for her LOL
U will run into the same problems as mentioned here. The damage scaling is worse than childlike in comparison to other clssses. There's just not enough multiplicative scaling as with other classes. We can't push any higher than pit 119 and even with immortal shield, the timeer will run out. Because the boss hp won't be affected by the silly poke damage from sorc.
I did the same thing but ran blizzard. I’m loving it
@@gideonsemyalo2338 Eh frozen orb can scale pretty decently. Problem is though you have to build full on glass cannon, and also build for massive cd decrease and flame shield uptime. And this is where almost every sorc build having to go at least for pushing. But yeah even with that, sorc dmg still fails in comparison to barb, necro, even rogue, and probably below druid to tbh.
Saying that I still find sorc to probably be one of the most fun classes to play.
spent several weeks on my sorc and it still perform way low compared to other class despite of having decent gears and uber uniques. I switched to barb and in a week, it was able to outperform my sorc using mediocre gears and same ubers :(
so true! all of it! where can i sign you for new d4 director?
Your right a 3rd enchantment slot would drastically put sorcerer back in balance with all the classes
It would help, a 3rd ring would bring it on some
A HUGE WARNING!!!
I kept telling you a few months ago to quit complaining about having to take Firebolt as an enchantment because the passive that buffed crit dmg to burning enemies was TOO GOOD to take.....
I warned you that the result would be the opposite of what you hoped. You hoped Blizz would "balance" the Sorc by buffing other skills/passives or something like that...but this is blizz we are dealing with, you should have known what they would do....
And the same thing will 100000% happen with our ONLY good build. Blizz will take it from us, and not compensate us one bit.
Then we will be in the dregs another season or 2. Dont forget that even if you dont go full on into complete immortality, even a 4-5 sec flame shield with a few seconds gap is an awesome deal for us....and Blizz will undoubtedly either remove the FS duration temper, remove the immune status from it, or some other penalty like an internal cd before the effect can be used again.
You have a responsibility as a CC with massive reach. Guaranteed blizz listens to people like you, and if you are asking for nerfs, they will gladly give
I'm so glad you made this video. I want to be a lighting sorc so bad with chain lighting, but everything is so underwhelming, so I'm using your incinerate build til they fix sorc smh
I love ice shard build but had to give it up in s4 because it can't go anywhere beyond tier 60-70
Can we get a blizz lilith build? I want to beat here but not enough dmg
My best builds just run Tenuous Destruction and shout "YOLO" like it's 2012...
If you put it on a staff it's almost a lvl1 tears of blood glyph.
Besides the non intuitive gameplay with flameshield immortality they are really annoying to break in pvp.
I don't even bother with Sorcerers in PVP. If I see one I just conceal and run away.
Coward
Would andariels visage's 2% leech work with Temerity to supply a constant barrier?
Just get items with life on hit it works too
I been trying to test tal rashas loop. I swapped it for a good ring with conceited and I don't see a big difference at the damage numbers. Ice spikes build
Is that build good for pit levels 100+?
Oh damn this is intense, but also true... is this also why I haven't seen anyone using Meteor this season? I loved it last season and wrecked with it but see nothing on it now. Would be great to see it again.
While cooking on my build I started to realize I NEED flame shield, so also ice blades to not constantly die to everything - the crackling cooldown alone just isn't enough.
You went from complaining that Sorc needed love for pit, celebrating the infinishield build and a guide how... now that Sorc is top clear and has invulnerable build... it's not enough? You've completely lost me. I'm assuming you've watched your own videos over the last 2 weeks, yeah?
Necro also only has minions as the one build to keep up with Barb and we also need to use a bug. It's been like this since release with most classes.
Anyone else not able to connect to the servers ever? Haven’t been able to play my sorc at all and I cry
A 3rd ring slot as well
YES. A ring + extra Enchantment would probably be fair. And strengthen the Enchantments and remove limitations
Agreed
Man, this is such a good video! Not just sitting there complaining, he’s literally giving good alternatives and options to fix the issues w Sorcs. Especially, after watching the Witch showcase from POE 2… That class made me excited to see the other classes! I really want to love D4, tho. 😒
When you have a system that deals with such huge numbers, and people working on it without the old school training programmers used to get... you get this. I see no way around the issues at this point. Without dare I say it?, a complete break down back to basics and start again. Great video and really nails the trash we are dealing with as a sorc.
The biggest problem for me is the absolute inability to do a mono-element sorc. You basically need to run a tal rasha's loop which means you need to be dishing out multi-element damage. The class is just way, way too shoehorned down a single avenue for multiplicative damage scaling and DR on it's affixes and paragon board. That means every build is very similar to each other.
Hey, I'm still having fun playing ball lightning. I was frustrated when I couldn't clear T61 because that prevented me from upgrading. With some tweaks from your guides and patches I'm now rushing 69 and it feels good. I don't know any better and that helps. I never played season 2 ball or another build in s4. No plans to go immortal either. So I guess I need to just be happy where I'm at and push 80-90s. It's a grind but as a casual player I enjoy it. I don't feel like I'm going from 98 to 99 in D2R with repeat content. Thank you!
isnt mekuna at 150 tier pit?
You should do a poll to see how many Sorcs have solo pushed beyond Pit Tier 70, 80, 90, and 100. As a commenter said, I bet the number is very low. I do think the class is fun. I love playing the builds, and most of the builds can blow through content, but they just need to fix the single target damage. There are LOTS of ways to do this, some of which are posted below, but I doubt they'll do anything midseason. The easiest thing they could do is just pump up the damage on all the skills, glyphs, and rare paragon nodes.
This season i started as a sorc, made a minion necro, now onto my rogue. The exact reason i moved on from Sorc to necro was obviously boss power but it was also basically what youre describing, farming the gear for infinite flame shield felt like a requirement. Especially because i really loved frozen orb build, but felt so underpowered when i got to a boss. I got lucky and had a few nice pieces i found. I got lucky with tempering and thought i was doing well. I was very wrong. I was sooo far off. I'm just about at the point where I'm going to salvage all my extra sorc gear i was saving for tempering bricked items and possible other builds to make room for the rogue gear thats getting piled up now that I'm level 100. Sucks cause sorc can be so fun but they really suck when youve played a couple other classes that are so superior in so many ways. I'm having a blast on the rogue! First time I've played one in D4 and feel very ashamed I've been missing out for this long. The only class i never got to 100 and I'm absolutely loving it. I'm actually glad there were these issues with sorc cause i discovered a class that feels strong and is very fun to play. Good riddance sorc! They'll do them justice some day.
You have summarised nicely, I get depressed with damage my barb, rogue friends are doing but still come back to it after sometime. The class definitely needs a redesign of the skills.
I'm a casual Diablo player with three sorcerers: experimentation, enjoyment, and mat farming in pits. All I ask is that they raise the skill level-not just "a little bit" but significantly. I agree that the endless flame shield is boring. It's unfortunate that, as a casual player, my crafted build is so weak in the endgame despite being great in early stages. To progress in the pit, I must search for RageGamingVideos' broken sorc builds, but because of you, I can enjoy myself using your teleport build. I think we can all agree that RageGamingVideos' theory making makes S4 fun for sorc.
Love this video, a third enchantment slot would really make an impact. I play a bouncy fireball / hydra build with frozen orb as an enchantment….. because it’s fun. But there are definitely limitations.. I can clear pits up to 70, then killing the boss becomes a “challenge” to say the least. I’m still putting together gear, but I’m realizing there’s no big improvement through gear that will help this build. A lot of what you suggest would really improve fun builds like this. After all, if you’re not having fun. What’s the point. I am also play frozen orb and ball lightning this season, ball lighting hit a wall at about pit 102, frozen orb ran into that same wall at about 117. I have yet to find an Uber unique, I’ve crafted a ring of the starless sky. Thanks for the great videos! Keep them coming!
The biggest problem of this game is the unused weapons which are always active especially for barbarians and also for rogues. Counting double two-handed weapons, barbarians have:
4 implicit bonuses
12 affixes (GA)
8 tempers
4 gems
4 aspects
And all masterworking that goes with it more than sorc, necro and druids.
Just look at the strength on weapon’s slots. Barbarians can get with GA and gems 1410str. Sorcerers 470 ints.
Really good video I’m a sorcerer main, played all classes but nothing takes me away from sorcerer, i agree it is so thrusting to be looking for the specific items just to make us be able to even complete with other classes we need some love for sure. Thanks for the video ❤❤
On a general note, the really need to up the amount of mats in the pit. It takes way way to long to masterwork, and remasterwork again and again to get the procs where you need it. Tempering breaking a ga item is allso very demotivational.
The comment especially on the enchantments being so weak is spot on. 90% of the enchantments are "this could be really cool if it was just 10x stronger than it is currently"
my roommate and I were JUST joking that you're not complaining because Blizzard is buying you all of your games... his sorcerer went from clearing level 70 pit to being lucky to get over 40 after the most recent patch you mention here, they broke something about damage reduction even further because he actually had to give up protection nodes in his paragon board to undo something that was allowing him to be oneshot if he had it. his sorcerer is actually parked for the first time since season 1 because it's costing him too much bricking his gear at the tempering setting or spending 100's of millions at the enchanter and her survivability is so low that re-earning is harder and harder every time they put in a "fix." his sorcerer is absolutely unable to survive when there are hidden risks of a one-shot kill all the time. thank you for finally saying something we can point to, because even the devs know if you're struggling someone like ME has no hope at all of enjoying my sorcerer and someone like my roommate is spending hours yelling at them from his side of the screen.
I got 2 sorcs to 100 to be able to use 2 builds at once. I don't know how long I spent playing but it was a lot for me and was still easily dying at pit 70, with the full builds and gear in place. I wanted another resplendent spark and rolled a necro. I hardly farmed gear for it, just applied the required aspects and was able to immediately do a tier 70 pit and go past the lvl 78 that I was stuck on with sorc.
I am playing your teleport sorc, it's just so much fun. It's fine for me casual since I just want something that can farm pit 69 fast. Thanks again for an awesome out of meta build!
You guys is my favorite channel because you actually explain how to play a build instead of just giving us the build
So I've seen Sorcerer, Druid and Rogue say their class is useless now. The lead class designer did admit Barbarian is OP and that the necro pet changes were a first step in bringing other class powers up to where Barbarian is. Hopefully the big class balance changes they are announcing tomorrow are the second step.
Not sure why they said Rogue cause there's really good builds for them this season
I think the best thing about this season is being able to get characters up to a high level quickly. Also that the classes are balanced decently enough to where ive had fun getting a sorc, barb, and necro up to level 100.
I dont really have people to play with but thats what I think they were focusing on; being able to have fun as a team while also being able to change high lvl characters on the fly.
The sorc is incredibly nerfed. Since the game came out, its like Blizzard has had something against a powerful sorc. Sure they did lightning ball, but not all of us want to run around w some stupid lightning ball orbiting atound ur waste killing things as u move.
Great video and entirely accurate. Loved how you called out the enchantment node! Ive been saying things like that on all the sorc boards.
Agreed. I’m not even attempting to run a barrier as a sorc because of this ridiculous literal need for one.
Been playing Spark/Unstable and have gone full glass cannon at this point.
Landed at Pit 61 last night, will easily grind the low 50s for mats to get perfect rolls but without a single helmet - the build is decent but the 60s will be a cap even with MW gear.
Perfect gear should top out around 80s for the Spark set up.
I grinded out 4 max iron wolves for harlequin crest and now I'm burnt out and barely play
Absolutely agree. Nothing in ANY video game should be permanently immune to all damage.
I wish Sorc didn’t have to rely so much on defensive skills. It’s really difficult to build builds that don’t use them because they are too good. I don’t think they need nerfs tho. I think the offensive options need buffs or at least synergize with each other more.
I love how they approached the Druid’s boulder synergizing with hurricane by swirling the boulder around it. I think Sorc needs more stuff like that.
i was really trying not to play immortal firebolt, but as the time passed i was tired of not doing dmg and also not having survivability, even though i was playing "immortal frozen orb" (bcs u do way less dmg, and ice blade's cdr are not reliable if it's not at boss fights) so i decided just to try the only meta build and go back to mine after one day or 2, but it's so much more fun to play a build that actually works, even though it's kind of a boring playstyle (I realized that tpeing all around is not that bad when u reach a good amount of AS), that way i got the feelling of how the season is going for the other classes (druid excluded), so just go with the wave you guys, it's really fun to know that u can get somewhere in the game, maybe tomorrow we'll be getting good news for the mid season patch
Totally agree with everything you said. I have tried every different type of build and configuration of said build and without perfect gear you come unstuck at higher levels. Either add 1-2 extra enchantment slots or add an extra weapon slot for any type of 2 handed weapon, Grandfather. Imagine having a focus, wand and a 2 handed weapon to utilize.
Tried a pure crackling build, maximizing lucky stun on hit. But they nerfed the shit out of the glyph, WTF. And why a counter for orbs you can hold should be a counter that gives you up to 999. And why does a build purposely built to generate crackling energy drop off with more gear attuned to it and drop off and they don't proc stun.
Total waste of time and resources. Get rid of crackling if it's sole purpose is to generate resource only. I found out if you have the overflowing energy on your crackling generation drops off.
First thing I did when I got the pet was put on my crackling gear,respec thinking maybe the pet picks it up. I didn't. Crackling drops are bugged you kill something close to you and the crackling orb generates as far as possible from you. Spent most of my time on edges of screen trying to pick them up.
Blizzard testers completely missed the mark with this skill. Yet you have a third of your skills and passives dedicated to crackling energy.
I think you just put into words exactly why I, having not played this game since pre-season 1, started season 4 as a Sorcerer and quit the class for Skeletal Mage Necro in less than a week. I feel like parts of this argument could be said for the entirety of the game including all classes to an extent. Each class has like 1, maybe 2, viable builds for end-game and require basically perfect gear to pull off with the same skills and passives on each variation save for your one damage dealer. Maybe it's just my perception of the game due to not playing the past 3 seasons and every bloody video on RUclips being just another dude rehashing the same carbon copy, min-maxed to hell, pit pushing meta build as the last guy, but it feels like the game has no variety. I was initially excited for the October expansion, but the longer I play this game the more I'm considering hanging it up and waiting for PoE2.
Leveled a necromancer, barbarian, and rogue to level 100. Then, experimented with a Sorcerer until the meteor build was complete, after which I stopped playing.
It encourages me that I’m not the only crazy one here. I really agree with all your points. It’s really refreshing to hear us.
Cant wait for them to give Sorcerer skills a 2.5% damage buff and to specifically say that they're being very generous with the buffs. But being cautious not to overtune it..
I really admire mono-class players. It is cool to see how much effort can someone put into making the class they like the best possible. I think the same way, and I also love playing sorc. This video got yourself a new subscriber, because I saw that you are a human just like us and you, as a content creator, gave voice to our upsetting. Thank you, this video, in fact, motivated me to keep using my sorc the best I can.
Also a useful buff would be granting better enchantment passives, one more enchantment slot, 2 additional weapon slots where u can swap into orb+wand / Staff (as stats sticks/aspects whatever). Better Paragon nodes. Yea this would be a great change.
Infinite FS (or close to it) to work 40% CDR and reasonable AS is enough (enchant basic skill attack speed +30% if necessary). No need for Iceblades in the Firebolt/Flamewall build. No, you don't need perfect rolls everywhere. Not even greater affixes - just master working to +8 with proper Tempering stats. Around PIT +80 can be done with 90% Infinite FS. Gathered it in 5 days after the max level and I do enjoy it immensely - no bullshit echo can 1shot me. Thank you for the good content you are creating - it is enjoyable to watch it. I agree with most of the info on this video.
Thank you and Marie for the autographs! I have something better for you next year when you're back in New Orleans!
I really appreciate you breaking Flame Shield down like this...now i know its realistically out of reach for me...i was curious about what it took but i hadn't cared enough to look up a build for it...
i think Flame Shield should cost so much magical energy that it causes the sorceress to be stunned for 3 seconds after it wears off. I also, think people should stop complaining about how powerful it is when they have consistently taken advantage of it. I have had many sorceresses and never used Flame Shield once because it's dumb enough to break immersion for me.