Firstly, I want to say how much I love your energy and enthusiasm. It makes for a very nice viewing experience. I know that not a lot of people liked this movie, but I still enjoyed it overall. I loved Linda and Arnold's mama and papa bear energy, and it was great to see them together again. The Rev-9 really won me over as well and might be my favorite villain in the series.
Doesn't T3's idea of an "inevitable ending" kind of undermine the entire "no fate but what we make for ourselves" message of T2? The whole point of that movie was the idea that "Hey, what if instead of the reactive, back-to-status-quo solution of 'make sure John lives so he can be Captain Hero of The Future' we do something a bit more proactive and just avert Judgement Day altogether?" T3 completely backtracks on that and says "Nah, Judgement Day and Great Savior John are hard-canon events that always have and always will happen no matter what." I'd say this movie is _more_ faithful to T2. It at least had the balls to commit to the events of T2 changing the future and preventing Skynet and Judgement Day, even if that doesn't necessarily mean all future problems are now solved forever.
Yes T3 does undermine the message of T2 the no fate but what we make mantra. I do agree with you that dark fate is the more faithful sequel to T2. T3, though, is the most faithful sequel to the original terminator T1 and T3 share a lot of the same themes and concepts. @heinrichagrippa5681
@@calisthenicsmachine9725Terminator salvation didn't ruin the sequel movie is actually good they didn't change anything 3 and salvation saved the franchise and genesis just explains how skynet was messing with the timelines James Cameron's ego got to him and wanted to erase the other movie which is dark fate he even admitted to it so you can blame him t3 and salvation and Genesis are actually good 🙄🙄🙄
Again, a good action movie, but they made T2 superfluous. What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if John died anyway? Also this Arnold contradicts everything Kyle said about Terminators in the 1st movie.
Honestly, that's what I felt about T3. The whole theme of T2 was "No fate but what we make for ourselves" and their decision that, rather than have the future play out with John as the leader of a post-apocalyptic resistance, it would be infinity better to just avert Judgement Day all together. It's the entire reason they destroyed all the Dyson research and even Arnold insisted on being melted. Then T3 backtracked on that and made Skynet and Judgement Day an inevitability that can never be changed. You say "What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if John died anyway?" to which I can reply "What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if Judgement Day happened anyway?" I think "Judgment Day is averted, but one kid dies" is better than "Judgement Day is inevitable and trying to stop it was futile, billions still die, but hey, at least John gets to play out his 'destined hero' role." John getting meaninglessly, brutally gunned down only seems dark and nihilistic on the surface because as emotional humans we are wired to be more attached to individual characters than "humanity" at large. Objectively, "Judgment Day just happens regardless" is the more dark and nihilistic outcome, but we tend to overlook that because we just loooove our hero stories. Any sequel to T2 inevitably means undermining its otherwise "happy" ending. Especially if after everything, it's still bloody Skynet doing the same shit once again like nothing happened. At least in this scenario, the future _did_ actually change from their efforts. Skynet never came into existence and John Connor never needed to be the savior of humanity. However, it also accepts that a new unknown future isn't necessarily without its own tragedies. It plays with the idea of fate by saying "Yes, you _can_ change the future", but also says "...yet that new unknown future, even if technically "better", isn't automatically perfect forever, doesn't guarantee your personal happiness, and doesn't mean some other similar catastrophic event can't happen a few decades later." Personally, as someone who's sick of messianic "chosen one" narratives, I _like_ this subversion in which John isn't some very very super-special boy ordained by fate, who will always be the hero in every possible timeline, and instead allows the possibility that in the new future he and Sarah created, Judgement Day doesn't happen and John doesn't need to become The Great Savior... but that doesn't mean nothing bad can ever happen either: the dark irony being that a future where John doesn't need to save humanity is also one in which he doesn't necessarily have to survive. I prefer the idea that it's not John himself who was inherently special, but just that _someone_ can rise to the occasion and become what humanity needs when they need it.
@@heinrichagrippa5681 You said it all perfectly. I used to totally agree with your point, “Any sequel to T2 inevitably means undermining its otherwise ‘happy’ ending.” Yeah, you mean Miles Dyson sacrificed himself for nothing because Judgment Day is simply inevitable? But then James Cameron and his collaborators all did something VERY interesting in this movie. His three movies together reach a deeper meaning that the end of the world is constantly hanging over our heads, but “we all can change the future” and keep working to prevent it. We see a whole new predestination paradox playing out. Dani becomes the leader of the new Resistance precisely because she was hunted down, and she met Sarah to train her. The Legion cyber-warfare technology was reverse-engineered from all the Rev-9’s hacking of surveillance systems. Grace’s cybernetic enhancements will be developed from the x-rays that the CBP detention facility took. The future Commander Daniela Ramos recognized the scared girl Grace, when she said her name. The list goes on. But then at the end of the movie, Dani vows to change the future in order to save Grace. She is going to do the same thing that Sarah did to Skynet, and stop Legion’s existence. And then the cycle will keep on going forever, between destruction and hope.
@@heinrichagrippa5681 Very eloquently said! I think you're spot on when it comes to the reaction people have to John's death. In a way, I think the fact that so many people reacted negatively to it just shows that Dark Fate succeeded in getting the emotional reaction it wanted from the audience. The only problem is, ironically, Arnold's star power. I don't remember if it was Miller or Cameron, but one of them said that the idea once Carl shows up was for the audience to hate him and be distrustful like Sarah is, but everyone just cheers because "omg it's Arnold yay!" It's easy to say just to disconnect it, but realistically, having one of Hollywood's most popular stars playing one of, if not his most iconic, roles, you were never gonna get anything else I also think Dark Fate is sort of self-contradictory about how the "fated messiah" thing, because while the story is very much about how Skynet being gone means that John's "destiny" as a saviour is rendered moot, it still pushes the narrative that Dani is the last and only hope for humanity after the new Judgment Day. I wish the movie had emphasized more than it doesn't *have* to be Dani. It could be her, and Grace desperately wants to save her, but it could be anyone I'd argue that as far back as T2 was when the series threw away the idea that John Connor *must* become the one and only savior of humanity. There's a reason Cameron hated the "happy future" ending and replaced it with the "black highway" ending. The whole point of the movie is that the future is not set. Nothing is certain, and we can only try to make the best future ourselves. In that regard, Dark Fate's decision to brutally murder him in the first two minutes honours the theme that T2 set up
@@erickleefeld4883 Exactly, yeah. Even if Legion ends up prevented like Skynet was, there'll just be another AI to take its place, and there'd be another potential saviour who's not John or Dani James Cameron's talked about his ideas for a potential new Terminator, and I really hope he doesn't choose to do a complete reboot yet again. I know he's talked about how instead of just being "evil robot killer" again, he'd want to explore the complexity of AI and how it fits into society, and I think he's sitting on a goldmine with the setup Dark Fate has given for that kind of story There's *plenty* of room to continue from DF and do something with the new characters to explore that theme
@@zingodoom In addition to Arnold’s star power, I think the audience also can’t help but see Carl as the endearing T-800 from T2, rather than some other random T-800 that independently happened to develop a conscience through his own experiences while being stranded in the past with no directive. Sarah is more acutely aware that of the three T-800s she’s encountered, two were soulless killing machines who murdered people she loved, and one was an anomaly who had been explicitly reprogrammed to protect John rather than kill him. Beyond the obvious fact that you can’t really expect any mother to be coldly rational and impartial towards her own child’s killer, it’s an important distinction that Carl is an unaltered T-800. It’s like trying to imagine that if the same horrifying T-800 from the _first_ film had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor - but then for whatever reason Skynet never became a thing - when left to its own devices for a few years might have independently become a pretty chill guy with a moral compass. As you mentioned with the idea of depicting AI as being more complex and having more depth to explore than “evil killer robots”, it’s interesting how Dark Fate subverts and completely reverses the “an AI with full unrestricted autonomy will inevitably turn homicidal” trope. That is, rather than an AI programmed to serve humans deciding to instead kill them, it’s an AI specifically programmed to remorselessly murder people deciding to _not_ continue doing that and additionally feel personal guilt for having done the very thing it was made for.
I'm a Terminator fan, seeing the '84 original (on VHS) was a defining experience when I was a kid, and T2 is one of the best sequels of all time. (Although the original is my favorite.) After T2 I watched every episode in the cinema for the first time and it's sad to see, what has become of the Terminator movies. Even Genesys was "WTF" (to me) and the Dark Fate is even more so. This is obviously a subjective opinion but it is what it is. For me, along with many others, the story ended with T2. (Regardless of this, I still liked T3 and T4.)
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Terminator 1984, Judgment Day & Dark Fate are direct sequel's of each other & that time line... The other movies are AI`s are attempts though subtle are it`s way of meddling with time... the tv show shows it in a bit more detail...
My fav thing is that Arnold went on after completing his purpose and finding a new one,and it’s not really odd that he became more human.part of being sentient is learning and evolving
Does the learning switch count as canon? If no, okay. Terminators will inevitably grow beyond their programming given time. If yes, why would skynet send a learning enabled terminator? It's not something that can happen accidentally, someone/something had to flip the switch, so how did Carl come about? The risk of units with learning enabled deviating from mission due to outside influences or causing other issues after it's mission would be unacceptably high.
Don't be sad that you're at the end of the Terminator movies, Carol. You still have the two seasons of the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" to watch. I guarantee you'll love them too. 👍😊
I think they missed a golden opportunity with Rise of the Machines, part 3 after Judgement Day. What I was thinking when they announced that part 3 of this franchise was gonna happen way back then, my idea was that maybe Kyle Reese would be sent back to a time when John Connor was a little older but he would get sent back accompanied by an Arnold Terminator. The terminator would be there to protect both Kyle AND John while Kyle would think his mission is to protect only John. Kyle would still not know he is John's father and the Terminator would instruct John not to tell him, either. The premise of this would be that it is a practical training of for Kyle because John in the future knows he has to send HIM, specifically, back to 1984 to protect his mother and John wants Kyle to have some idea about what is going to happen later on. They could've had TWO bad terminators for Kyle and the good Terminator to deal with. And as for the timeline, it would still seem as though Skynet could not have sent a terminator in part 3 because they destroyed Cyberdine in part 2. However, the POV of this entire franchise is from that of the future. So, in the timeline of Skynet and the human resistance of the future, Skynet attempted to k*ll John Connor when he was that age in part 3 FIRST. Naturally, the human resistance of the future responded by sending Kyle and the Arnold terminator. And ONLY after Rise of the Machines did Skynet send a terminator back to 1984 to try to k*ll Sarah Connor. So, part 3 happened first in Skynet's timeline, then part 1. It would've worked. And the storyline wouldn't break up. Anyway, great reaction. I really like this movie, too.
See that at cinema day one. After 10 minutes I wanted to leave. I was like "oh ok...they started with the ending I'll wait you guys outside" It was my grandpa birthday and my sister grabbed my arms and told me "NOT TODAY. SIT." I sat...and watched this thing....I was so angry. T2 is my favorite movie of all time. That giant screen was just shiting in my face... I WAS really disapointed...
The James Cameron Terminator Trilogy (acording to james Cameron's statements in interviews) = the Christian Bible: "The Terminator" = The Annunciation of Mary: The Archangel Gabriel (Kyle Reese) appears to Mary (Sarah Conner) to tell her that she will bear the Savior. "Terminator 2" = The flight of the Holy Family from Judea to Egypt to escape the killing of male infants by King Herod "Terminator Dark Fate" = The Book of Revelations and the Second Coming of the Savior
Hi Caroline!😊 I didn't want to spoil anything with this film. Like, James Cameron came back as director, and ignores ALL the events that happened after "Terminator 2" because he was not involved with those films. To tell you the truth I expected more from the director that brought us the first two Terminator films. Grace would still be considered a cyborg like Arnold, just a different type of cyborg. The new bad Terminator can form weapons, which is something previous Cameron Terminators could not do. Great reactions to James Cameron's third Terminator film, Caroline!!!!🎬👏👏👏👏
I think you summed it up well. I actually enjoyed this one more than Salvation or Genisys. It had some interesting ideas but like the others since T1 the emphasis on out of control, ever more over the top stunts and overpowered characters just robs a lot of story and character depth. I hope you do the TV series. It benefits from a lower budget, ironically, as the focus is more on characters, dilemmas and concepts more than bombastic action sequences. In many ways it recaptures the dire "end of the world" feeling of T1 as Sarah and John battle an ever more dangerous Skynet as it iterates in both the past and a strange, awful future. They are aided by a strange female terminator, sent back by a future John with a very different agenda from the one who sent Reese back. The harsh realities of evading the law and the even grimmer necessities of creating a guerrilla Resistance are shown. Lena Headey(pre Game of Thrones) BRINGS it as Sarah, and Summer Glau is a manipulative terminator who is an unreliable narrator of the future to John and Sarah.
Even though I think T2 is technically better. My ranking is favorite to least favorite is: T1, T2, T4, T3, Dark Fate, Genisys. Also, arguably as good if not better than one or two of the movies is the TV show the Sarah Connor Chronicles, which I believe is really really good
I love T1 too. Even though T4 is better than T3. I'd still rank 3 over 4. I've got a soft spot for Claire Danes and Nick Stahl. I'd go 1,2,3,4 and flip a quarter for 5 & 6. I get why people love 6 so much, major style points. Some of the substance rubs me worse than Genisys.
Yeah, it was tough between T3 and T4. I went partly based on my first impression many many years ago, watching them. I remember being blown away by what they did in T4, but very disappointed in how they introduced Marcus and the world seemed a little more tame than I expected. With T3, I remember being disappointed with Arnold, because it seemed slightly comical from the beginning, but I was blown away by what they did with the story of how Skynet came to be, and how John Conner developed. I love that it was something that he had to do rather than he wanted to do. In the end, T4, barely won for me, even though the movies to me were neck and neck. What made T4 barely win were actually because of the books and stories afterward that drew me into the T4 world more.
A lot of people don't like it (Dark Fate) because it sucks. Dani is awful. The flash forward scene with "macho" Dani, Dani holding/shooting the DP12 shotgun at Carl's range, the end scene, with the driver's seat pulled all the way forward was director Tim Miller, rubbing our faces in shit. But I'm glad you liked it. Emilia Clark was also too short for this role but I can't think of any scenes in T5 that were as awful as the three I just mentioned.
IMO: 1. The Terminator. (1984) For me, this is by far the best piece of the "series". (It was made as a single film. The story/concept of the sequel - which was fantastic thanks to Cameron - was a consequence of the success of the first film.) 2. T2. One of the best sequels ever made, along with Back To the Future 2, Die Hard 2, Lethal Weapon 2, or Mad Max 2. --- After seeing the rest, the Terminator story ended here for me. --- 3. (or 4.) T3. It was a nice experience to see it in the cinema but it is clearly a weaker story and mediocre compared to the previous ones. 4. (or 3.) T4. We finally got to the future, the story isn't bad. Based on the story, I'd put it in third place. It was a shame to include the CGI Arnold. :) 5. T5. To me, the story was a failed attempt to breathe life into the franchise. Some scenes were interesting (see 1984) but they could have written a more coherent story instead. 6. T6. It is also a nice experience in the cinema but the story is weak and like the 5th episode, it tries to recreate/rethink the T-universe.
I would say: T2 - Judgement Day The Sarah Connor Chronicles T5 - Genisys T6 - Dark Fate T4 - Salvation T3 - Rise of the Machines T1 - Terminator I place T1 last because it is just horror-in-disguise drivel (the worst genre ever) and not true Sci-Fi. It is also just a damsel in distress Mother-Mary story and not empowering at all. I saw T1 right before I saw T2 in the theater as a 14-year-old teen girl (It was my birthday present from mom - seeing the R-rated movies) and never liked the first movie.
The more i watch this movie the more i like it. 😂😅 remember Danni at the end of the movie is going to be taught by sara conbor. Thats why in ythe future shes a bad ass that did what she did.
I think there is just too many good characters and they just gangbang the villain in every scene, even in Sarahs intro she singlehanded beats both terminators. I never felt any threat watching this movie. Think if they deleted Grace from the movie it could had worked better, to just have Sarah and Arnold be the protectors versus the new terminator. And then we could have had a 1v1 fight with Arnold versus the endoskeleton and Sarah versus the liquid terminator.
John Connor was the savior of mankind and the hole purpose behind the 2 original movies. In this movie he died and ANOTHER savior took his place. This means that there is no purpose in saving anyone because another can always take their place, making the entire franchise meaningless... yeah, and some people left the theaters mid movie, so it shows how some hardcore fans were just disappointed with the movie. This and Terminator Genisys were just different failed attempts and a franchise revival.
To explain where the other Arnold terminators came from. In the original timeline, Skynet sent back multiple terminators at the same time to different time periods to make sure they got the job done. So that’s why Sarah Conor hunts down terminators, she hunting the ones that Skynet sent back to different time periods.
This is the original timeline or canon timeline cause of James Camerons involvement so T1,T2 and TDF are the canon timeline so the john that Carl killed was the canon John Connor
DF was supposed to ignore everything after T2 and yet it takes parts from every movie after and butchers it further. Genisys and Salvation expanded the lore or told an alternate reality story.
the first half hour of this film was brilliant but they seemed to run out of money after that and the rest was a big fat letdown- i thought it was going to be a classic terminator film but sadly not
39:40 So the T-800 Terminator that killed John was set by Skynet as a contingency plan in case the other Terminators failed their missions. Skynet sent back a good amount of Terminators back in 2029 before the Skynet core was shut down. This was also three years after the destruction of Cyberdyne Building in 1995 depicted in T2 so the future this T-800 came from would never longer exist making him the last remnants of Skynet and this possible future.
Arnold's role is like Salceda's in t2 and miles' combined, Salceda because the 800 had weapons and a past with Sarah and miles because Sarah has negative feelings towards it and it dies for her cause
Though this one is better than Genisys, it's a very mixbag of good and bad. The good is that it got the tone and look just right. They brought the focus back to the chase and not all that time travel nonsense that plagued Genisys. Linda Hamilton and Arnold were highlights, of course. Overall, it's a technically competent film. The bad is that there is nothing in this film that is fresh. The action scenes are rote, the ideas are derivative, and the Rev9 is just a T-X that can separate and without the plethora of weapons. Just more stabby stabby. Dani is either a terribly written character who was equipped with plot armor and set to easy mode, or Natalia Reyes was absolutely wrong for the part. Either way, I couldn't buy a single thing about her. This 4'11 small fry is gonna convince all the desperate people in a post-apocalyptic world to join her and lead an army? That future flashback, where she single-handedly took down 3 people and gave a lame speech, was laughably cringe. Not to mention very unrealistic that Dani could take them on so easily. Those people would have shanked her in the back, took Grace's food, and went on their way. Grace is a Marcus Wright rip off with a side of Universal Soldier(that Van Damme movie) that makes no sense. So she's a super soldier sent to protect her, yet she gets weak and useless after a short time without some syringe cocktail and some ice? Good plan! Lol. Legion is just an off-brand Skynet that somehow came up with exact same technology even though Skynet's creation was averted in T2? Right. Dark Fate is just a creatively bankrupt attempt to appeal to "modern audiences" which failed miserably and is the reason we're not gonna see any more Terminators. Maybe it's for the best, though. The series peaked at T2, and no one else even tried to move the needle forward except for Salvation. T3 was a fine enough finale for the story, where John steps to the plate at the end to lead humanity to victory against Skynet. Remember, T1 established that we won the war and that it was the assassination attempt was Skynet's last ditch effort to prevent defeat. So Genisys and Dark Fate are just fanfic appendages.
Personally, I disagree on the issue of the Rev-9 and Grace. Aside from the fact that one is a hybrid Terminator and the other is a human cyborg, they've got very little in common with the T-X and Marcus in terms of their backstories, appearances, and personalities.
@nyarlathotep7321 I'm talking concepts of the character anesthetics, not character's personalities. What about the Universal Soldier bit, as well? That was almost verbatim like that movie. Enhanced soldier, needs ice to cool off from overheating, and an injection(though not for memory wipe). I'm saying there's nothing new about Dark Fate. Other than being able to separate the liquid from the endoskeleton, there's little to no difference between Rev9 and T-X except that T-X had actual weapons and not the stale and boring stabbing arms that peaked with the T-1000. The action set pieces are derivative of previous Terminator films, and the plane sequence was a mix of the zero-g scene in The Mummy 2017, and the midair tank scene in The A-Team movie(with a humvee). All leading up to yet another industrial complex final act where Grace's, like the T-850 in T3, power source is used to kill the rev9 and Arnold is yet again sacrificed.
@@jessemoore7081 Marcus: A human criminal on death row whose brain and organs are placed in a cybernetic shell by Skynet to serve as an infiltrator. He wakes up fourteen years after Judgment Day with no idea of how he is alive or what has happened to the world in that time. He takes the chance to start a new life while searching for clues about his past and ultimately comes into conflict with the fact that he is the creation of a genocidal machine intelligence. Grace: A human who was raised into a soldier after being found as a child in post-Judgment Day ruins. She was cybernetically augmented after sustaining injuries while combatting Legion’s Terminators but maintains that she is fundamentally human. She ultimately elects to go on a self-sacrificing mission into the past to protect the woman that saved her and molded her into who she is while encountering new faces from a secret past that she knew nothing about. Grace is in no way a "rip off" of Marcus. They look nothing alike, they have different backgrounds, different roles in their stories, different personalities, and different skill sets. The only real similarity between them is the fact that they're both cyborgs, and even then they're still vastly different since Marcus is effectively a Terminator with some extra meat where Grace is a human with cybernetic implants. As for the T-X and Rev-9, they're both Terminators with liquid metal components and hacking abilities, but the Rev-9 doesn't stand from the T-X because of gimmicky abilities, it stands out because of its design/concept along with how it approaches problems and interacts with its surroundings. It's got a distinct look that's more realistic than the alien-looking T-X and is a closer fit to the aesthetic of the series. It feels like a more natural evolution of the technology of the setting since it does a better job of combining the strengths of conventional and liquid metal Terminators while having hacking abilities that are more grounded in reality. Apart from that, the Rev-9 is almost certainly the most skilled infiltrator we've seen, able to not just mimic the looks and voices of people but intelligently alter its demeanor to take advantage of its surroundings. It's also the most lively and coordinated in combat, running, leaping, and dodging where most others will plod their way through fight scenes. For me, that makes it a more compelling villain than many of its predecessors. The Rev-9 is dangerous not just because it has some special ability that the heroes can't counter but because it's good at what it does. All fiction is derivative to some extent, so there's always going to be overlap between stories. You might as well make the argument that the Terminator was a rip-off of Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" because they're both about genocidal AI that nuked humanity while ignoring all the other differences between them. Or that the Terminator itself was a rip-off of Beilert Valance from Star Wars, since they're both metallic cybernetic skeletons covered in flesh.
The flash forward you mentioned, with Dani saving grace, Dani shooting the shotgun at Carl's, and the last scene with the driver side jeep seat pulled all the way forward was in my opinion, Tim Miller rubbing our faces in shit. Emilia Clark was also too short but I can't think of any scenes as awful in T5.
10:32 Another genius comment what's your first clue that he's dead was it the blood coming out his leg or the Terminator blowing up the car with him still inside
"Is that a woman terminator or a human?" A few seconds after seeing her fall dozens of feet onto the ground lol. Tho to be fair maybe she meant a human hybrid like marcus wright was
From 24:57 - That was because T-800's CPU was a neuro net processor, a learning computer..... The more it contacts with humans, the more it learns That is why T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) learns to be like a human, got a family, with grown up conscience but without emotionally & mentally attachment to its wife, Alicia...
About this being the last movie and you had to say goodbye to the franchise..... not really true because Dark Fate End Of War is coming out later this year with Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Cena.
Skynet should have sent a second T-1000 as a contingency instead of a T-800. This would have lead to a T-1000 vs REV-9 face off in this movie, which I would have loved seeing.
If you notice the director is Hames Cameron the creator of the Terminator, he wanted to continue his franchise himself but there was a load of movies not so good made.
I love this movie, have been telling people about it for years, and am glad to see more people discover and appreciate it. James Cameron’s three Terminator movies tell a sci-fi reimagining of the Virgin Mary, and all the ordeals and grief she has to go through. This was there in the first movie, as she’s told she will give birth to the savior of humanity, must escape persecution, and experiences her own sort of miraculous conception. Now take a look at the 3:19 mark in this video, seeing through Carl’s eyes at John’s body to confirm the kill - that imagery is NOT subtle. And then later on in the movie, Sarah directly name drops having to be Mary. In this version of the story, Sarah/Mary has to wait over 20 years to finally meet the returned John/Jesus, and for someone to tell her that her life and struggles have meant something. Carl is the Roman soldier who killed Christ, but then came to repent of what he’d done. At the end he brings himself and the Rev-9 down into their own sort of cross, his final words are a prayer, “For John,” and his last sight is looking up at Sarah and Dani for forgiveness before he dies.
That's how you piss on a legacy... I'll never forgive Cameron for agreeing to basically undo whatever he wrote in the previous 2 movies in the fist 3 minutes of this abomination.
I am a big fan of the first 3 movies, and this is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, a major disappointment, especially because Cameron waited so long to deliver nothing. It's boring, forgetable new characters, Sarah doesn't seem to be the same character at all, John scene is just (no words), and the Terminator, man, he1s just laughable. I remember leaving the theater with my friends and there was a very cringy sensation in the air, we all knew how bad the movie was and no one was even able to make many comments about it, because it was too painful. Your reaction was very good though!
14:05 saying that you don't know much about this movie and this is not a mean comment this is technically Terminator 3 after Terminator 2/ different timeline
38:05 that means she's stalking her just because she's looking at her from a distance and then driving away and never seen again for another 30 years that's stalking
8:34 well let's put 2 and 2 together for you seeing that's too much for you to handle John Connor is dead so that means someone else has to take over command in the future
I want a terminator movie from the p.o.v. of an amnesiac terminator getting sent to the past with it's mission parameters corrupted...with us following it's journey into humanity with the climax it choosing to become the new "John Connor "
@@frankmiller4550the looks I would give her would be to just stop laughing every 5 seconds and stop getting turned on/ over excited by every little thing
I’d like to think Legion was created by another Terminator that Sarah & Carl missed. A Skynet Terminator creates Legion. That’s how I’d do the follow up
The movie has tons of bread crumbs about the same kinds of predestination paradoxes we saw in T1 and T2. Legion began as a cyber-warfare system - so it was probably reverse-engineered from the Rev-9’s hacking of computer servers and surveillance systems. Likewise, Grace’s cybernetic enhancements were developed from the x-rays that the CBP doctors took of her.
I'm starting to think all you Canadian movie reactors can't keep your mouth shut I mean out of all the raptors I watch there's maybe three or four who actually sit there and watch the movie and listen to pay attention and know what they're talking about
I think this is the 3rd best film in the franchise after 1 and 2. I think McKenzie Davis did a great job, though I do agree that Dani was the weakest character.
I can only imagine what it's like to go to a movie theater with you my thought is it must be embarrassing for your family or your boyfriend or husband or kids
People are going to hate me for this but in my opinion Dark Fate is the closest non-Cameron sequel in tone and style of T1 and T2 along with the tv show. We got our fast paced R rated action in style of T1 finally even though it lacks the charm and intelligence of Cameron films Going forward I like the concept of rev-9 being a fusion of T-800 and T-1000 technically. Just the general concept of rev-9 implies that the people behind these films finally figured out that it is impossible to top T-1000 as the villain so why not just make a villainous terminator as a combination of both models. Even Gabriel Luna admitted he wanted for rev-9 to be the best of both worlds terminator. No more terminators with fancy gadgets and nanobots crap. I really like the scene in which rev-9 absorbs the clothes on his body which is a hint or more so a confirmation that T-1000 did the same thing to the cop in T2 which makes a whole lot of sense. I also appreciate that weve got a human versus machine element again which is in spirits of T1. Grace although augmented is still a human fighthing highly advanced, technologically superior cyborg. To be fair Arnolds presence seems forced in the film Another plus for the film I have to mention is the setting. Terminator 1 and 2 hinted that Sarah felt far more secure outside of L.A. in desertes of Mexico where she was surrounded by people who actually cared for her. She also was equipped there with tons of weapons so the Mexico setting for DF made sense to me. Just wish weve seen more of Sarah coming back to her old buddy Enrique again in the film but oh well
@@frankmiller4550 My hope is that for any young’uns who’d never heard of that show, a character saying she had her own episode of something called “America’s Most Wanted” would probably get the idea.
Firstly, I want to say how much I love your energy and enthusiasm. It makes for a very nice viewing experience. I know that not a lot of people liked this movie, but I still enjoyed it overall. I loved Linda and Arnold's mama and papa bear energy, and it was great to see them together again. The Rev-9 really won me over as well and might be my favorite villain in the series.
You should react to the Sarah Connor chronicles
Loved your reaction to the whole franchise. You are amazing! 😍
The last "For John" hits me in the feels... :(
This movie had a good moments but the best sequel after Judgment Day is T3 Rise of the machines, specifically because the inevitable ending.
Doesn't T3's idea of an "inevitable ending" kind of undermine the entire "no fate but what we make for ourselves" message of T2? The whole point of that movie was the idea that "Hey, what if instead of the reactive, back-to-status-quo solution of 'make sure John lives so he can be Captain Hero of The Future' we do something a bit more proactive and just avert Judgement Day altogether?" T3 completely backtracks on that and says "Nah, Judgement Day and Great Savior John are hard-canon events that always have and always will happen no matter what." I'd say this movie is _more_ faithful to T2. It at least had the balls to commit to the events of T2 changing the future and preventing Skynet and Judgement Day, even if that doesn't necessarily mean all future problems are now solved forever.
Yes T3 does undermine the message of T2 the no fate but what we make mantra. I do agree with you that dark fate is the more faithful sequel to T2. T3, though, is the most faithful sequel to the original terminator T1 and T3 share a lot of the same themes and concepts. @heinrichagrippa5681
@@calisthenicsmachine9725Terminator salvation didn't ruin the sequel movie is actually good they didn't change anything 3 and salvation saved the franchise and genesis just explains how skynet was messing with the timelines James Cameron's ego got to him and wanted to erase the other movie which is dark fate he even admitted to it so you can blame him t3 and salvation and Genesis are actually good 🙄🙄🙄
Again, a good action movie, but they made T2 superfluous. What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if John died anyway?
Also this Arnold contradicts everything Kyle said about Terminators in the 1st movie.
Honestly, that's what I felt about T3. The whole theme of T2 was "No fate but what we make for ourselves" and their decision that, rather than have the future play out with John as the leader of a post-apocalyptic resistance, it would be infinity better to just avert Judgement Day all together. It's the entire reason they destroyed all the Dyson research and even Arnold insisted on being melted. Then T3 backtracked on that and made Skynet and Judgement Day an inevitability that can never be changed.
You say "What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if John died anyway?" to which I can reply "What was the point of the best movie in the franchise if Judgement Day happened anyway?" I think "Judgment Day is averted, but one kid dies" is better than "Judgement Day is inevitable and trying to stop it was futile, billions still die, but hey, at least John gets to play out his 'destined hero' role." John getting meaninglessly, brutally gunned down only seems dark and nihilistic on the surface because as emotional humans we are wired to be more attached to individual characters than "humanity" at large. Objectively, "Judgment Day just happens regardless" is the more dark and nihilistic outcome, but we tend to overlook that because we just loooove our hero stories.
Any sequel to T2 inevitably means undermining its otherwise "happy" ending. Especially if after everything, it's still bloody Skynet doing the same shit once again like nothing happened. At least in this scenario, the future _did_ actually change from their efforts. Skynet never came into existence and John Connor never needed to be the savior of humanity. However, it also accepts that a new unknown future isn't necessarily without its own tragedies. It plays with the idea of fate by saying "Yes, you _can_ change the future", but also says "...yet that new unknown future, even if technically "better", isn't automatically perfect forever, doesn't guarantee your personal happiness, and doesn't mean some other similar catastrophic event can't happen a few decades later."
Personally, as someone who's sick of messianic "chosen one" narratives, I _like_ this subversion in which John isn't some very very super-special boy ordained by fate, who will always be the hero in every possible timeline, and instead allows the possibility that in the new future he and Sarah created, Judgement Day doesn't happen and John doesn't need to become The Great Savior... but that doesn't mean nothing bad can ever happen either: the dark irony being that a future where John doesn't need to save humanity is also one in which he doesn't necessarily have to survive. I prefer the idea that it's not John himself who was inherently special, but just that _someone_ can rise to the occasion and become what humanity needs when they need it.
@@heinrichagrippa5681 You said it all perfectly. I used to totally agree with your point, “Any sequel to T2 inevitably means undermining its otherwise ‘happy’ ending.” Yeah, you mean Miles Dyson sacrificed himself for nothing because Judgment Day is simply inevitable? But then James Cameron and his collaborators all did something VERY interesting in this movie. His three movies together reach a deeper meaning that the end of the world is constantly hanging over our heads, but “we all can change the future” and keep working to prevent it.
We see a whole new predestination paradox playing out. Dani becomes the leader of the new Resistance precisely because she was hunted down, and she met Sarah to train her. The Legion cyber-warfare technology was reverse-engineered from all the Rev-9’s hacking of surveillance systems. Grace’s cybernetic enhancements will be developed from the x-rays that the CBP detention facility took. The future Commander Daniela Ramos recognized the scared girl Grace, when she said her name. The list goes on.
But then at the end of the movie, Dani vows to change the future in order to save Grace. She is going to do the same thing that Sarah did to Skynet, and stop Legion’s existence. And then the cycle will keep on going forever, between destruction and hope.
@@heinrichagrippa5681 Very eloquently said!
I think you're spot on when it comes to the reaction people have to John's death. In a way, I think the fact that so many people reacted negatively to it just shows that Dark Fate succeeded in getting the emotional reaction it wanted from the audience. The only problem is, ironically, Arnold's star power. I don't remember if it was Miller or Cameron, but one of them said that the idea once Carl shows up was for the audience to hate him and be distrustful like Sarah is, but everyone just cheers because "omg it's Arnold yay!" It's easy to say just to disconnect it, but realistically, having one of Hollywood's most popular stars playing one of, if not his most iconic, roles, you were never gonna get anything else
I also think Dark Fate is sort of self-contradictory about how the "fated messiah" thing, because while the story is very much about how Skynet being gone means that John's "destiny" as a saviour is rendered moot, it still pushes the narrative that Dani is the last and only hope for humanity after the new Judgment Day. I wish the movie had emphasized more than it doesn't *have* to be Dani. It could be her, and Grace desperately wants to save her, but it could be anyone
I'd argue that as far back as T2 was when the series threw away the idea that John Connor *must* become the one and only savior of humanity. There's a reason Cameron hated the "happy future" ending and replaced it with the "black highway" ending. The whole point of the movie is that the future is not set. Nothing is certain, and we can only try to make the best future ourselves. In that regard, Dark Fate's decision to brutally murder him in the first two minutes honours the theme that T2 set up
@@erickleefeld4883 Exactly, yeah. Even if Legion ends up prevented like Skynet was, there'll just be another AI to take its place, and there'd be another potential saviour who's not John or Dani
James Cameron's talked about his ideas for a potential new Terminator, and I really hope he doesn't choose to do a complete reboot yet again. I know he's talked about how instead of just being "evil robot killer" again, he'd want to explore the complexity of AI and how it fits into society, and I think he's sitting on a goldmine with the setup Dark Fate has given for that kind of story
There's *plenty* of room to continue from DF and do something with the new characters to explore that theme
@@zingodoom In addition to Arnold’s star power, I think the audience also can’t help but see Carl as the endearing T-800 from T2, rather than some other random T-800 that independently happened to develop a conscience through his own experiences while being stranded in the past with no directive. Sarah is more acutely aware that of the three T-800s she’s encountered, two were soulless killing machines who murdered people she loved, and one was an anomaly who had been explicitly reprogrammed to protect John rather than kill him. Beyond the obvious fact that you can’t really expect any mother to be coldly rational and impartial towards her own child’s killer, it’s an important distinction that Carl is an unaltered T-800. It’s like trying to imagine that if the same horrifying T-800 from the _first_ film had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor - but then for whatever reason Skynet never became a thing - when left to its own devices for a few years might have independently become a pretty chill guy with a moral compass.
As you mentioned with the idea of depicting AI as being more complex and having more depth to explore than “evil killer robots”, it’s interesting how Dark Fate subverts and completely reverses the “an AI with full unrestricted autonomy will inevitably turn homicidal” trope. That is, rather than an AI programmed to serve humans deciding to instead kill them, it’s an AI specifically programmed to remorselessly murder people deciding to _not_ continue doing that and additionally feel personal guilt for having done the very thing it was made for.
I'm a Terminator fan, seeing the '84 original (on VHS) was a defining experience when I was a kid, and T2 is one of the best sequels of all time. (Although the original is my favorite.) After T2 I watched every episode in the cinema for the first time and it's sad to see, what has become of the Terminator movies. Even Genesys was "WTF" (to me) and the Dark Fate is even more so. This is obviously a subjective opinion but it is what it is. For me, along with many others, the story ended with T2. (Regardless of this, I still liked T3 and T4.)
You took the words right outta my mouth. I see the first two as two halves of the same movie.
Loved your reaction. You are amazing!
Can I ask Carol would the Alien movies from 1979 and so on be a possibility to react to?
Great suggestion!
Out right now! :)
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Out of This world 😃 just to say your really gonna enjoy the Sequel AlienS 1986, not to speak to soon upon that video your gonna get an abundance of back n forth concerning Alien³ 1992 many will either urge to skip it or give it a chance, Alien as a movie series has gone through many degrees of quality from part 3 and to Alien4 Resurrection1997, to the two prequels Prometheus 2012 then Covenant 2017, and there’s another Alien movie coming by this summer, it’s an Interstellar Terror of a Saga.
One of my faves
Terminator 1984, Judgment Day & Dark Fate are direct sequel's of each other & that time line...
The other movies are AI`s are attempts though subtle are it`s way of meddling with time... the tv show shows it in a bit more detail...
As a fan of the Franchise in general, I liked that opening twist. It hinted that Sarah mentoring the savior was the key and not the person it's self.
Whether someone dislikes the movie or likes it, most can't say they expected the opening
We can say we expected the opening because it was leaked before release!
@@NeilEvans-xq8ik oh yea! I forgot all about that haha, I stand corrected
I really like how the TV series made it so that she never killed anyone. Her humanity was never lost.
My fav thing is that Arnold went on after completing his purpose and finding a new one,and it’s not really odd that he became more human.part of being sentient is learning and evolving
Does the learning switch count as canon? If no, okay. Terminators will inevitably grow beyond their programming given time. If yes, why would skynet send a learning enabled terminator? It's not something that can happen accidentally, someone/something had to flip the switch, so how did Carl come about? The risk of units with learning enabled deviating from mission due to outside influences or causing other issues after it's mission would be unacceptably high.
@@ettcha gotta think of him like data from Star Trek
@@genkigirl4859 Indubitably, sir. Indubitably! :D
Simplesmente fantástico
Amazing!!
Hi Carol, please reaction trilogy Spiderman, duology amazing Spiderman & XCU
Don't be sad that you're at the end of the Terminator movies, Carol. You still have the two seasons of the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" to watch. I guarantee you'll love them too. 👍😊
You must be joking, the Sarah Connor Chronicles has nonsense.
@@abrahamdiaz3648 I enjoyed the show, once I accepted it as a non-canonical spinoff. It told some interesting stories with the extra leg room it had.
I liked this. The switch from Skynet to Legion. From John Connor to Dani. Meanwhile keeping some old school og's like Sarah and Arnie. Fun movie
cancerous shit film
Very nice film😊🎉😂❤
Well, is not a really bad movie, but is the worst Terminator movie.
Nah, T3 and Salvation were way worse lol
@@NickNutjob Salvation worse? are you rtrdd?
@@NickNutjobehhh, I think just salvation. Rotm gets too much shit
@@NickNutjobt3 was actually my favorite terminator movie but salvation is kinda ass
I think they missed a golden opportunity with Rise of the Machines, part 3 after Judgement Day. What I was thinking when they announced that part 3 of this franchise was gonna happen way back then, my idea was that maybe Kyle Reese would be sent back to a time when John Connor was a little older but he would get sent back accompanied by an Arnold Terminator. The terminator would be there to protect both Kyle AND John while Kyle would think his mission is to protect only John. Kyle would still not know he is John's father and the Terminator would instruct John not to tell him, either. The premise of this would be that it is a practical training of for Kyle because John in the future knows he has to send HIM, specifically, back to 1984 to protect his mother and John wants Kyle to have some idea about what is going to happen later on. They could've had TWO bad terminators for Kyle and the good Terminator to deal with. And as for the timeline, it would still seem as though Skynet could not have sent a terminator in part 3 because they destroyed Cyberdine in part 2. However, the POV of this entire franchise is from that of the future. So, in the timeline of Skynet and the human resistance of the future, Skynet attempted to k*ll John Connor when he was that age in part 3 FIRST. Naturally, the human resistance of the future responded by sending Kyle and the Arnold terminator. And ONLY after Rise of the Machines did Skynet send a terminator back to 1984 to try to k*ll Sarah Connor. So, part 3 happened first in Skynet's timeline, then part 1. It would've worked. And the storyline wouldn't break up.
Anyway, great reaction. I really like this movie, too.
Awesome Carol! You are the best!! Looking forward to next one!
See that at cinema day one. After 10 minutes I wanted to leave.
I was like "oh ok...they started with the ending I'll wait you guys outside"
It was my grandpa birthday and my sister grabbed my arms and told me "NOT TODAY. SIT."
I sat...and watched this thing....I was so angry. T2 is my favorite movie of all time. That giant screen was just shiting in my face...
I WAS really disapointed...
🎉🎉🎉 finally
Awesome Carol! You are amazing! 🥰
I know this much is ...true
The James Cameron Terminator Trilogy (acording to james Cameron's statements in interviews) = the Christian Bible:
"The Terminator" = The Annunciation of Mary: The Archangel Gabriel (Kyle Reese) appears to Mary (Sarah Conner) to tell her that she will bear the Savior.
"Terminator 2" = The flight of the Holy Family from Judea to Egypt to escape the killing of male infants by King Herod
"Terminator Dark Fate" = The Book of Revelations and the Second Coming of the Savior
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Hi Caroline!😊 I didn't want to spoil anything with this film. Like, James Cameron came back as director, and ignores ALL the events that happened after "Terminator 2" because he was not involved with those films. To tell you the truth I expected more from the director that brought us the first two Terminator films. Grace would still be considered a cyborg like Arnold, just a different type of cyborg. The new bad Terminator can form weapons, which is something previous Cameron Terminators could not do. Great reactions to James Cameron's third Terminator film, Caroline!!!!🎬👏👏👏👏
Tim Miller directed this. James was a producer. I'm not sure how much input Cameron even had on this. He was busy with Avatar.
Clearly he had a lot of influence since only the two Terminator films he made are cannon in this film.😉@@frankmiller4550
I think you summed it up well.
I actually enjoyed this one more than Salvation or Genisys. It had some interesting ideas but like the others since T1 the emphasis on out of control, ever more over the top stunts and overpowered characters just robs a lot of story and character depth.
I hope you do the TV series. It benefits from a lower budget, ironically, as the focus is more on characters, dilemmas and concepts more than bombastic action sequences. In many ways it recaptures the dire "end of the world" feeling of T1 as Sarah and John battle an ever more dangerous Skynet as it iterates in both the past and a strange, awful future. They are aided by a strange female terminator, sent back by a future John with a very different agenda from the one who sent Reese back. The harsh realities of evading the law and the even grimmer necessities of creating a
guerrilla Resistance are shown.
Lena Headey(pre Game of Thrones) BRINGS it as Sarah, and Summer Glau is a manipulative terminator who is an unreliable narrator of the future to John and Sarah.
I salute you for doing the whole franchise and dont be brainwashed by haters.
Hope you do the same with predator and alien.
Even though I think T2 is technically better. My ranking is favorite to least favorite is: T1, T2, T4, T3, Dark Fate, Genisys. Also, arguably as good if not better than one or two of the movies is the TV show the Sarah Connor Chronicles, which I believe is really really good
I love T1 too. Even though T4 is better than T3. I'd still rank 3 over 4. I've got a soft spot for Claire Danes and Nick Stahl. I'd go 1,2,3,4 and flip a quarter for 5 & 6. I get why people love 6 so much, major style points. Some of the substance rubs me worse than Genisys.
Yeah, it was tough between T3 and T4. I went partly based on my first impression many many years ago, watching them. I remember being blown away by what they did in T4, but very disappointed in how they introduced Marcus and the world seemed a little more tame than I expected. With T3, I remember being disappointed with Arnold, because it seemed slightly comical from the beginning, but I was blown away by what they did with the story of how Skynet came to be, and how John Conner developed. I love that it was something that he had to do rather than he wanted to do. In the end, T4, barely won for me, even though the movies to me were neck and neck. What made T4 barely win were actually because of the books and stories afterward that drew me into the T4 world more.
7:06 Oh my God he's fast it's like he's a robot or something
I liked this one alot more than 3, salvation, genesys
I feel like a lot of people undersell it because of the changes to the universe.
A lot of people don't like it (Dark Fate) because it sucks. Dani is awful. The flash forward scene with "macho" Dani, Dani holding/shooting the DP12 shotgun at Carl's range, the end scene, with the driver's seat pulled all the way forward was director Tim Miller, rubbing our faces in shit. But I'm glad you liked it.
Emilia Clark was also too short for this role but I can't think of any scenes in T5 that were as awful as the three I just mentioned.
How would you rank all 6 movies?
IMO:
1. The Terminator. (1984) For me, this is by far the best piece of the "series". (It was made as a single film. The story/concept of the sequel - which was fantastic thanks to Cameron - was a consequence of the success of the first film.)
2. T2. One of the best sequels ever made, along with Back To the Future 2, Die Hard 2, Lethal Weapon 2, or Mad Max 2.
--- After seeing the rest, the Terminator story ended here for me. ---
3. (or 4.) T3. It was a nice experience to see it in the cinema but it is clearly a weaker story and mediocre compared to the previous ones.
4. (or 3.) T4. We finally got to the future, the story isn't bad. Based on the story, I'd put it in third place. It was a shame to include the CGI Arnold. :)
5. T5. To me, the story was a failed attempt to breathe life into the franchise. Some scenes were interesting (see 1984) but they could have written a more coherent story instead.
6. T6. It is also a nice experience in the cinema but the story is weak and like the 5th episode, it tries to recreate/rethink the T-universe.
My ranking, from best to worst, would be: T2, T1, T4, T3, T5, T6."
I would go:
1.T2
2.T1
3.T3
4.Dark Fate
5.Geinsys
6.Salvation
I would say:
T2 - Judgement Day
The Sarah Connor Chronicles
T5 - Genisys
T6 - Dark Fate
T4 - Salvation
T3 - Rise of the Machines
T1 - Terminator
I place T1 last because it is just horror-in-disguise drivel (the worst genre ever) and not true Sci-Fi. It is also just a damsel in distress Mother-Mary story and not empowering at all. I saw T1 right before I saw T2 in the theater as a 14-year-old teen girl (It was my birthday present from mom - seeing the R-rated movies) and never liked the first movie.
T1 T2 T4 T3 T5 T6 ....end of discussion 😂
Is *Terminator Dark Fate* is GOOD? NO definitely. Il have never been
The more i watch this movie the more i like it. 😂😅 remember Danni at the end of the movie is going to be taught by sara conbor. Thats why in ythe future shes a bad ass that did what she did.
17:55 oh my God it's like he's a robot
I think there is just too many good characters and they just gangbang the villain in every scene, even in Sarahs intro she singlehanded beats both terminators. I never felt any threat watching this movie. Think if they deleted Grace from the movie it could had worked better, to just have Sarah and Arnold be the protectors versus the new terminator. And then we could have had a 1v1 fight with Arnold versus the endoskeleton and Sarah versus the liquid terminator.
John Connor was the savior of mankind and the hole purpose behind the 2 original movies. In this movie he died and ANOTHER savior took his place. This means that there is no purpose in saving anyone because another can always take their place, making the entire franchise meaningless... yeah, and some people left the theaters mid movie, so it shows how some hardcore fans were just disappointed with the movie. This and Terminator Genisys were just different failed attempts and a franchise revival.
To explain where the other Arnold terminators came from. In the original timeline, Skynet sent back multiple terminators at the same time to different time periods to make sure they got the job done.
So that’s why Sarah Conor hunts down terminators, she hunting the ones that Skynet sent back to different time periods.
This is the original timeline or canon timeline cause of James Camerons involvement so T1,T2 and TDF are the canon timeline so the john that Carl killed was the canon John Connor
you're litterally stopping after every sentence of dialog. you're the most annoying movie-reactor ever. i couldn't watch more than 5-mins.
DF was supposed to ignore everything after T2 and yet it takes parts from every movie after and butchers it further. Genisys and Salvation expanded the lore or told an alternate reality story.
Not a big fan of this moie in general, but your reaction made it so ejoyable, thank you Carol :)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
the first half hour of this film was brilliant but they seemed to run out of money after that and the rest was a big fat letdown- i thought it was going to be a classic terminator film but sadly not
39:40 So the T-800 Terminator that killed John was set by Skynet as a contingency plan in case the other Terminators failed their missions. Skynet sent back a good amount of Terminators back in 2029 before the Skynet core was shut down. This was also three years after the destruction of Cyberdyne Building in 1995 depicted in T2 so the future this T-800 came from would never longer exist making him the last remnants of Skynet and this possible future.
Trying to justify stupidity is just sad..
@@Karadjanov 8===D
This movie is so underrated!
I mean...the Guardians of the Galaxy saved the world with 12% of a plan after all.
Arnold's role is like Salceda's in t2 and miles' combined, Salceda because the 800 had weapons and a past with Sarah and miles because Sarah has negative feelings towards it and it dies for her cause
35:52 no it's not going to kill it or weaken it they just felt like shoving it in there for no reason
Though this one is better than Genisys, it's a very mixbag of good and bad.
The good is that it got the tone and look just right. They brought the focus back to the chase and not all that time travel nonsense that plagued Genisys. Linda Hamilton and Arnold were highlights, of course. Overall, it's a technically competent film.
The bad is that there is nothing in this film that is fresh. The action scenes are rote, the ideas are derivative, and the Rev9 is just a T-X that can separate and without the plethora of weapons. Just more stabby stabby.
Dani is either a terribly written character who was equipped with plot armor and set to easy mode, or Natalia Reyes was absolutely wrong for the part. Either way, I couldn't buy a single thing about her. This 4'11 small fry is gonna convince all the desperate people in a post-apocalyptic world to join her and lead an army? That future flashback, where she single-handedly took down 3 people and gave a lame speech, was laughably cringe. Not to mention very unrealistic that Dani could take them on so easily. Those people would have shanked her in the back, took Grace's food, and went on their way.
Grace is a Marcus Wright rip off with a side of Universal Soldier(that Van Damme movie) that makes no sense. So she's a super soldier sent to protect her, yet she gets weak and useless after a short time without some syringe cocktail and some ice? Good plan! Lol.
Legion is just an off-brand Skynet that somehow came up with exact same technology even though Skynet's creation was averted in T2? Right.
Dark Fate is just a creatively bankrupt attempt to appeal to "modern audiences" which failed miserably and is the reason we're not gonna see any more Terminators.
Maybe it's for the best, though. The series peaked at T2, and no one else even tried to move the needle forward except for Salvation. T3 was a fine enough finale for the story, where John steps to the plate at the end to lead humanity to victory against Skynet.
Remember, T1 established that we won the war and that it was the assassination attempt was Skynet's last ditch effort to prevent defeat. So Genisys and Dark Fate are just fanfic appendages.
Personally, I disagree on the issue of the Rev-9 and Grace. Aside from the fact that one is a hybrid Terminator and the other is a human cyborg, they've got very little in common with the T-X and Marcus in terms of their backstories, appearances, and personalities.
@nyarlathotep7321 I'm talking concepts of the character anesthetics, not character's personalities. What about the Universal Soldier bit, as well? That was almost verbatim like that movie. Enhanced soldier, needs ice to cool off from overheating, and an injection(though not for memory wipe).
I'm saying there's nothing new about Dark Fate. Other than being able to separate the liquid from the endoskeleton, there's little to no difference between Rev9 and T-X except that T-X had actual weapons and not the stale and boring stabbing arms that peaked with the T-1000. The action set pieces are derivative of previous Terminator films, and the plane sequence was a mix of the zero-g scene in The Mummy 2017, and the midair tank scene in The A-Team movie(with a humvee). All leading up to yet another industrial complex final act where Grace's, like the T-850 in T3, power source is used to kill the rev9 and Arnold is yet again sacrificed.
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Marcus: A human criminal on death row whose brain and organs are placed in a cybernetic shell by Skynet to serve as an infiltrator. He wakes up fourteen years after Judgment Day with no idea of how he is alive or what has happened to the world in that time. He takes the chance to start a new life while searching for clues about his past and ultimately comes into conflict with the fact that he is the creation of a genocidal machine intelligence.
Grace: A human who was raised into a soldier after being found as a child in post-Judgment Day ruins. She was cybernetically augmented after sustaining injuries while combatting Legion’s Terminators but maintains that she is fundamentally human. She ultimately elects to go on a self-sacrificing mission into the past to protect the woman that saved her and molded her into who she is while encountering new faces from a secret past that she knew nothing about.
Grace is in no way a "rip off" of Marcus. They look nothing alike, they have different backgrounds, different roles in their stories, different personalities, and different skill sets. The only real similarity between them is the fact that they're both cyborgs, and even then they're still vastly different since Marcus is effectively a Terminator with some extra meat where Grace is a human with cybernetic implants.
As for the T-X and Rev-9, they're both Terminators with liquid metal components and hacking abilities, but the Rev-9 doesn't stand from the T-X because of gimmicky abilities, it stands out because of its design/concept along with how it approaches problems and interacts with its surroundings. It's got a distinct look that's more realistic than the alien-looking T-X and is a closer fit to the aesthetic of the series. It feels like a more natural evolution of the technology of the setting since it does a better job of combining the strengths of conventional and liquid metal Terminators while having hacking abilities that are more grounded in reality. Apart from that, the Rev-9 is almost certainly the most skilled infiltrator we've seen, able to not just mimic the looks and voices of people but intelligently alter its demeanor to take advantage of its surroundings. It's also the most lively and coordinated in combat, running, leaping, and dodging where most others will plod their way through fight scenes. For me, that makes it a more compelling villain than many of its predecessors. The Rev-9 is dangerous not just because it has some special ability that the heroes can't counter but because it's good at what it does.
All fiction is derivative to some extent, so there's always going to be overlap between stories. You might as well make the argument that the Terminator was a rip-off of Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" because they're both about genocidal AI that nuked humanity while ignoring all the other differences between them. Or that the Terminator itself was a rip-off of Beilert Valance from Star Wars, since they're both metallic cybernetic skeletons covered in flesh.
The flash forward you mentioned, with Dani saving grace, Dani shooting the shotgun at Carl's, and the last scene with the driver side jeep seat pulled all the way forward was in my opinion, Tim Miller rubbing our faces in shit. Emilia Clark was also too short but I can't think of any scenes as awful in T5.
14:49 never thought someone screaming in pain and bleeding out was so funny
10:06 Your a genius I mean truly whats your first clue they need to keep moving I mean I never in a million years would of thought of that
10:32 Another genius comment what's your first clue that he's dead was it the blood coming out his leg or the Terminator blowing up the car with him still inside
Pretty good movie.. Just sucks they killed John
For John
Love your reactions mi amor 🙏
"Is that a woman terminator or a human?" A few seconds after seeing her fall dozens of feet onto the ground lol. Tho to be fair maybe she meant a human hybrid like marcus wright was
Alita (2019)
Thanks, doll.
From 24:57 - That was because T-800's CPU was a neuro net processor, a learning computer.....
The more it contacts with humans,
the more it learns
That is why T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) learns to be like a human, got a family, with grown up conscience but without emotionally & mentally attachment to its wife, Alicia...
About this being the last movie and you had to say goodbye to the franchise..... not really true because Dark Fate End Of War is coming out later this year with Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Cena.
Skynet should have sent a second T-1000 as a contingency instead of a T-800. This would have lead to a T-1000 vs REV-9 face off in this movie, which I would have loved seeing.
If you notice the director is Hames Cameron the creator of the Terminator, he wanted to continue his franchise himself but there was a load of movies not so good made.
James Cameron was a producer. The director was Tim Miller.
Actually Genesis killed John Conner so that's why it's okay to continue this movie without him
Genesis isn't canon to this timeline. For this movie, the timeline is T1, T2, T6
@ettcha i know, but if u just say that to the simple folks they just see 6 as a "what if"
I love this movie, have been telling people about it for years, and am glad to see more people discover and appreciate it.
James Cameron’s three Terminator movies tell a sci-fi reimagining of the Virgin Mary, and all the ordeals and grief she has to go through. This was there in the first movie, as she’s told she will give birth to the savior of humanity, must escape persecution, and experiences her own sort of miraculous conception. Now take a look at the 3:19 mark in this video, seeing through Carl’s eyes at John’s body to confirm the kill - that imagery is NOT subtle. And then later on in the movie, Sarah directly name drops having to be Mary.
In this version of the story, Sarah/Mary has to wait over 20 years to finally meet the returned John/Jesus, and for someone to tell her that her life and struggles have meant something. Carl is the Roman soldier who killed Christ, but then came to repent of what he’d done. At the end he brings himself and the Rev-9 down into their own sort of cross, his final words are a prayer, “For John,” and his last sight is looking up at Sarah and Dani for forgiveness before he dies.
That's how you piss on a legacy... I'll never forgive Cameron for agreeing to basically undo whatever he wrote in the previous 2 movies in the fist 3 minutes of this abomination.
From 7:29 - REV-9 is really like Venom 'coz of that sticky black liquid on its head...
I am a big fan of the first 3 movies, and this is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, a major disappointment, especially because Cameron waited so long to deliver nothing. It's boring, forgetable new characters, Sarah doesn't seem to be the same character at all, John scene is just (no words), and the Terminator, man, he1s just laughable. I remember leaving the theater with my friends and there was a very cringy sensation in the air, we all knew how bad the movie was and no one was even able to make many comments about it, because it was too painful. Your reaction was very good though!
14:05 saying that you don't know much about this movie and this is not a mean comment this is technically Terminator 3 after Terminator 2/ different timeline
38:05 that means she's stalking her just because she's looking at her from a distance and then driving away and never seen again for another 30 years that's stalking
37:03 No what's crazy is you can't stop laughing and smiling to this entire movie and ask the most brain dead questions constantly
8:34 well let's put 2 and 2 together for you seeing that's too much for you to handle John Connor is dead so that means someone else has to take over command in the future
Don't think any of the movies after 2 are "good" but def wacky and watchable. they become very silly movies like dark fate which is goofy af : P
Please keep repeating yourself this isn't good I don't think we can tell when something bad is going to happen
I want a terminator movie from the p.o.v. of an amnesiac terminator getting sent to the past with it's mission parameters corrupted...with us following it's journey into humanity with the climax it choosing to become the new "John Connor "
I love that idea!!!!
7:35 You know I don't know how but I truly believe if you keep quiet and watch and be patient you'll find out
I'd loved to see you and Carol react to a movie together. I can only imagine the looks she would get.
@@frankmiller4550the looks I would give her would be to just stop laughing every 5 seconds and stop getting turned on/ over excited by every little thing
I always liked this one
30:45 wow it's takin you almost 30 minutes into the movie tofigure out she's the new John Connor
I’d like to think Legion was created by another Terminator that Sarah & Carl missed. A Skynet Terminator creates Legion. That’s how I’d do the follow up
The movie has tons of bread crumbs about the same kinds of predestination paradoxes we saw in T1 and T2. Legion began as a cyber-warfare system - so it was probably reverse-engineered from the Rev-9’s hacking of computer servers and surveillance systems. Likewise, Grace’s cybernetic enhancements were developed from the x-rays that the CBP doctors took of her.
38:17 yeah throw up the gang symbol let's all get happy and emotionally cry over this
With Arnold, Dani, Sarah AND Grace there are too many major good characters..don't think Grace was really necessary.
Рубим кувалду но толкаем руками.....Антигравы и Миниреакторы после ядерной войны?...Да и вообще нового терминатора бьют все кому не лень.
Just a lame movie. Tim Miller is incompetent.
I'm starting to think all you Canadian movie reactors can't keep your mouth shut I mean out of all the raptors I watch there's maybe three or four who actually sit there and watch the movie and listen to pay attention and know what they're talking about
You can't blame Canada for her though. I'd put this one on Brazil.
Wokeinator ill be wack
28:09 You forgot something oh my gosh what else is new
I really enjoyed this movie thanks!
После 3 Фильма начился бред уже был самый тупой бред из всех просто просто нет слов зачем было тако бред делать я не понимаю просто.
Money, comrade.
@@frankmiller4550 I don't know what kind of money all this is, well, it's just amazing everything
@@frankmiller4550 And it would be cool if they made Stories where there is Skynet and Legion.
@@frankmiller4550 And where is John Connor and Dana Rames And In This Nominal Reality she was his Wife Terminator Movie 7.
@@frankmiller4550 Yes, I know Bizumie, all this is already simple and not a plot. Well, all the same, if it were done, it wouldn't be bad.
I think this is the 3rd best film in the franchise after 1 and 2. I think McKenzie Davis did a great job, though I do agree that Dani was the weakest character.
God, the Drinker was to easy on that one.
Excellent reaction, Carol!😮
I can only imagine what it's like to go to a movie theater with you my thought is it must be embarrassing for your family or your boyfriend or husband or kids
22:17 Getting over excited/ turned on by Sarah Connor are we
LESBIAN!!
Além disso aqui é o Texas 26:14😂
Nope...
People are going to hate me for this but in my opinion Dark Fate is the closest non-Cameron sequel in tone and style of T1 and T2 along with the tv show. We got our fast paced R rated action in style of T1 finally even though it lacks the charm and intelligence of Cameron films
Going forward I like the concept of rev-9 being a fusion of T-800 and T-1000 technically. Just the general concept of rev-9 implies that the people behind these films finally figured out that it is impossible to top T-1000 as the villain so why not just make a villainous terminator as a combination of both models. Even Gabriel Luna admitted he wanted for rev-9 to be the best of both worlds terminator. No more terminators with fancy gadgets and nanobots crap. I really like the scene in which rev-9 absorbs the clothes on his body which is a hint or more so a confirmation that T-1000 did the same thing to the cop in T2 which makes a whole lot of sense. I also appreciate that weve got a human versus machine element again which is in spirits of T1. Grace although augmented is still a human fighthing highly advanced, technologically superior cyborg. To be fair Arnolds presence seems forced in the film
Another plus for the film I have to mention is the setting. Terminator 1 and 2 hinted that Sarah felt far more secure outside of L.A. in desertes of Mexico where she was surrounded by people who actually cared for her. She also was equipped there with tons of weapons so the Mexico setting for DF made sense to me. Just wish weve seen more of Sarah coming back to her old buddy Enrique again in the film but oh well
17:13 I guarantee you don't even know what America's most wanted was
I'd like to hear her response to this one.
@@frankmiller4550 My hope is that for any young’uns who’d never heard of that show, a character saying she had her own episode of something called “America’s Most Wanted” would probably get the idea.
23:25 Maybe be patient and you'll find out so chill
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