I've said it before and I'll say it again. I realize it's sponsorship and it's needed, but...do we REALLY need to hear about Nathan's balls? Or did everyone at TFL HQ draw straws to see who would do the spot? 🤔
lol that guy at the first charging station. His favorite thing about his $150k+ car is that it's cheap to charge? Really? Not the speed or features or style? If saving money was his criteria for a good car... well....
@@John-209 That may be the case but people are funny,, they'll have a perfectly good PAID FOR vehicle that sucks gas and they'll rationalize paying huge $$ for something new that's more efficient and in their brain they're "saving" money,, lol.
I took a 1,100 miles road trip in my Model Y Performance and only needed to charge 5 times. It seems like they charged 10 times including an overnight full charge. They keep talking about the range is better then advertised, but it doesn't seem like it, if you have to stop every 150 miles charge. My trip was also in 113° heat, driving to Vegas.
You need to tune your power usage in ABRP! It automatically sets an extremely conservative energy usage to make sure even the most insane drivers will reach destinations. Auto number for me was 320 kWh at 65mph iirc, but actual is about 280kwh.
Also I believe you can get a Bluetooth OBD2 dongle and Link it to a better route planner and it can get live data from the vehicle to better predict range and charging stops while you're in route.
@@skyemalcolm Yes I've seen that with the Chevrolet bolt EV people that are running a better route planner getting live data from the vehicle. Don't know how it works exactly I've only seen the people can do it
They sucked so bad they had to build something that sucked equally bad. So now they can create more sucky experiences for the people whom they originally gave sucky experiences. I love how efficient they are at sucking. It's truly Germanic dedication.
@@bradchin7746 all I know is that I live in a luxury building in Houston with more luxury cars than I can count. Multiple Cullinans and Bentaygas and lots of collectible Porsches. A loaded Range Rover doesn't stand out at all. And clearly the hottest car in the garage is a super cool GT2. Forget the Murcielago. There are just a handful of Teslas and one Taycan. But multiple Cullinans and Urus examples. The yellow GT2 and 2005 Ford GT were parked next to each other today. Electric what? In person person measured against these I would struggle to consider a new Land Rover Defender at that price. And the Taycan in comparison to the other Porsches is laughable.
I really don’t understand the lack of a built in sunshade with the huge @$$ glass roof. One thing VW got right on the ID was having a retractable sunshade.
Totally! It would be interesting to see if someone has implemented electric window tinting for glass that large. I just guess that people put up with the heat, but it surely isn’t efficient as you have to cool the car down. Of course a retractable 1500W solar panel could cover the whole car could give you 12KW on a sunny day…a great offset for camp mode during boondocking.
@@Jethr001 Mercedes introduced 'Magic Sky Control' glass roof electric tinting on their sub-$40k SLK range 10 years ago. I think it also made it into the S-class.
Porsche now offers variable light control on the skylight, (it will allow you to electronically frost the glass). Cool tech, but a 3290$ option. I’d probably install window tint instead.
0:32 In-N-Out Burger owns all of their restaurant locations, just as Tesla owns all of their Supercharger locations. This way they can control the quality. Good. Inexpensive. Fast.
I have this Taycan after having a Model Y for several years and Tommy is correct. Watching your range drop precipitously on the Y for no discernible reason was something I just accepted. And then I got this and I couldn’t believe how accurate the range estimates are. And I often get more miles than the range estimator guesses. It’s such a wonderful car.
So how long did the trip actually take? At the beginning it said it should take 19 hrs. Seeing how you had trouble with the chargers, how much more time did it take? Did you keep track of how much each charge cost and add it up?
If you look on Out of Spec Motoring, they do a quite detailed review on how long Electrify America charging stations take to operate. Of course, they were constantly speeding and going ultra fast. But it's a good "best case scenario" for a road trip and costs.... ;p
@@robertschenck9902 they have a pretty great customer service team, calling ahead does work wonders. For the next 3 years I'm sure they will have tons of odd hiccups
Gosh that charger experience was stressful to watch. Part of the reason I love my Chevy Volt, rarely ever use gas but when I have to go on a road trip it's simple and painless.
@@WhiteWi EA is the only major DC charger network next to Tesla. Nobody else comes close. So we're stuck with their shitty system until the bugs are worked out.
If you consider how far range and charging stations have come in just the last 5 years this is pretty impressive. No we aren't there yet but it's cool to witness such a major automotive evolution.
@@Rkbrown88 LOL that is a logical fail. EV charging have a massive swing in price because there is many multiple sources. There is not much choice with sourcing Fuel as it's an industry cartel or government regulated. Electricity has true competition and your main source with private charging is most likely a fraction the price of Fuel. This is Level 3 DC Fast Charging meant to be rarely used. Even Level 2 Public Charging is cheap. "unreliable electric vehicles are" is both poor wording and technically wrong.
11:40 at $0.43 /kwh .. there is NO SAVINGS on energy. Especially considering the value of YOUR time waiting. At home charging there is huge savings, with US average at 13 cents/kwh.
What I've learned from electric car videos. If you need your electric car to roadtrip, get a Tesla. If you never roadtrip, or have an ICE car for roadtrips, you can get something else. I have yet to see a truly positive video of a roadtrip in an electric car that isn't a Tesla.
Except that the self driving functionality is best utilized on a road trip. GM Super Cruise isn't bad, but it's not as versatile as the Tesla AP. I've driven nearly the exact route they're taking here.
@@otm646 Problem is that the only cars worth getting supercruise on are suuuuuuuper expensive. The Bolt EV and EUV are pretty lukewarm options when compared to even the base model 3.
As an E-tron owner I use the Electrified America chargers and regularly see 150KW charging speeds that hold 100KW till it’s 100% full.. I’m surprised the Taycan kept hanging around the 60KW mark…
Agreed. My VW ID4 gets 120kw at EA stations as well. That Porsche must have a technical issue. If alone at a station with 350 charger it should get almost max charge.
recently took a trip in my Model S - 250 KWH charger was charging at just over 300 miles per hour of charge. Don't understand why the Porsche is charging so slowly. Looks like a beautiful car
EA is probably sandbagging...it IS brought to you by the company that brought us DieselGate. They will probably need to improve it once they actually have any significant number of EVs sold in the US by VW AG.
Two words: Battery cooling? When they come into the Chargers, the Porsche batteries are so hot from use on the road, Porsche have to throttle back charge over theoretical max when batteries are cool. No one wants a car to catch on fire. Tesla, with all their faults, are years ahead of competitors regarding this topic. Does not happen.. certainly not like what we see here.
John Ross - thank you for the thoughtful reply. You’re correct that Tesla knows you’re going to the Supercharger and cools the battery BEFORE you arrive
I think this is a great car for commuting to work and running around town. That is the way most people drive on a daily basis. On average ,most people don't drive far enough to use a full charge in a day. I average 60 miles away when I work so I could change at home each night. It's not a great road trip car. This is the future of transportation and the infrastructure will get better . The people that buy this car are contributing to help advance the technology . If I had the money, I would buy one.
I love my Mach-E road-tripped from Louisiana to West Texas with minimal issues. Plug & Go with my Mach-E. The total miles driven was 1,200 round trip. Charging was free on the way home for the 4th of July, provided by EA.
@@thedopplereffect00 Have you done it in the rain, did you see how long it took them to plug it in, not say if that charging is broken or not, trying to figure it out and all.
I travel between the LA area and Park City regularly. There are a lot of electric cars in PC 100% Teslas. Everyone I have talked to says charging network is the reason because everyone needs to drive more than 300 miles on occasion. One point you missed is that GM and VW actually DID build charging networks. GM built one for the original Electric Car which they then destroyed to sell ICE cars. VW built the very charging network you used but didn’t give a crap about performance or usability because they only did it to settle the diesel gate lawsuits. If either of the biggest car companies in the world had done their work well charging would never have been an issue.
They drove a Jeep Wrangler from LA to Boulder a few years back....and it seems like that trip went faster...other than adding a quart of oil at one of the stops.
we visited there last Oct. & it was awesome.. i've ordered the tri motor fsd ct & i can't wait for it to get here!! I may buy the S or the Y in the meantime..i got lots of solar & back up battery system as well.
You have to get the premium version of A Better Route Planner therefore you can get live State of Charge. Also in the settings you can put in the approximate weight of passengers and baggage that you are carrying, average Watt hr per mile, etc to help get more accurate readings as far as mileage and charge status. They also have a slider for Faster stops or Shorter legs.
The Taycan has a far better charging rate, when the chargers work correctly. Speeds at the low end up to 270 Kwh and stays faster than the ID.4 can charge up to 80%. Audis also have a great charging rate, while their max is 150 Kwh, they stay high, like the Tesla, up to 80%.
I'm glad to see you are documenting this. As a fellow early-adopter and user of Electrify America it is great to see that I'm not the only one losing my mind using these things.
@@Spudeaux I don’t agree buddy. They capitalized it and everyone who watches these videos and follows EV news knows that it stands for Internal Combustion Engine and is ALWAYS used when a gas or diesel powered vehicle blocks a Tesla Supercharger or an EV charging station. The think the figure of speech is 100% related to the acronym. More than that, the figure of speech and acronym are the same thing.
I love the justifying how in “the golden age” it is okay that making a long trip in an EV is a PITA. Like those people that laud over a dishwasher that uses little water… to them it is of secondary importance that the dishes don’t actually get clean. I agree about the “golden age” of EV… the experience seen on this video is likely as good as it gets. Dare you to make the same trip the day before Thanksgiving. Good thing “time isn’t money”.
If you like a better route planner, I highly suggest you get the subscription for only five bucks a month. It connects to your car, and uses real time data for battery info. Pretty accurate in my use.
Love this videos! Maybe one with Andre and Nathan too, where you take hybrid cars (Ioniq, Camry, Prius etc…) or in between various electric cars. We need more informative/fun content like this!
When Tommy’s car breaks down ... .. he gets a TAO back to the garage because he can’t say TOW. When Tommy boards a plane he’ll STAO his carry on luggage in the overhead bins because he can’t say STOW. Good thing nobody ever asks directions to Barstow since Tommy is headed to Barstao.
I've watched many EV reviews from around the world. Norway has a couple of reviewers who do similar tests. They also drive shorter distances before charging but then only charge to the point of getting to the next level 3 chargers. They would run the battery down to 20% as that is typically where you would hit the peak charging speeds. The disclaimer is that Norway has a lot more high speed chargers than North America.
@@toddwright662 Most of the rest of the non Tesla chargers also just work. For whatever reason Roman and Tommy always seem to have problems in almost every electric car they ever test. If you want to see perhaps a bit more balanced experience. I would check out the RUclips channel called "out of spec motoring" Kyle has done far more extensive road tripping both in Tesla's and other Electric vehicles. He's got two cannonball run World records, one in his personal model 3 Performance and the second one he just recently did in a Porsche Taycan 4S. That Porsche lent him knowing he was going to do the cannonball run. That ought to give you some idea about the manufacturer's confidence in his abilities and his knowledge.. Volkswagen just let him borrow a base model ID4 to run from Florida back to Colorado he has a video about that experience. There is no doubt there are plenty of problems with non Tesla evs. The biggest one to me is the fact that you don't have the integrated navigation and you don't have plug in charging. Which just makes no sense at all considering Volkswagen owns Electrify America and Porsche. Yet the Ford mach e does in fact have plug to charge. But if you want to see some interesting variety in different types of electric vehicles and their capabilities I think Kyle has the better experience and more cars that he's tested under different circumstances. By the way he also tests a bunch of other kind of cars also. He has multiple RUclips channels. Also he's funny he's got a good sense of humor he's a very light-hearted type guy. And his RUclips videos are quite fun to watch but also informative. When shit goes wrong and sometimes it does he does not hide it it's all part of the experience and he likes to put it front and center when it goes wrong and when it goes right.
@@kens97sto171 Yeah, I guess I'm stuck in a "2-years ago" mindset when just about everyone bitched about the reliability (and availability) of non-Tesla chargers. I've had a Model 3 for just shy of three years now and don't use the Supercharger network all that often, but when I do, it just works every time*; just plug it in and walk away. *I did have one stop in which the charger failed, but there were 8 total chargers and none of the others were in use, so I just used a different one; cost me about 3 minutes.
@@toddwright662 Things have definitely gotten better in the last couple of years but Electrify America definitely still has some problems. Although they are going through and replacing a lot of their chargers currently. In the video , there were a few chargers that had a square opening in the top half of the charger with a green light sort of on the inside, those are the new style chargers and they're manufactured by someone different than the previous ones. When Kyle has been doing his road trips he has noticed that these newer chargers seem to be more reliable especially when it comes to high power outputs. Tesla definitely makes it easier there is no doubt. The thing for me is 99% of the time you're driving around home, plugging in at your house. So it seems to me charging networks shouldn't be the primary reason to pick one car or the other. It ought to be Space, practicality, looks, interior, seat comfort etc. I took a look at a Volkswagen ID4. I found it to be a much more pleasant car than the Tesla Model y. Fit and finish was better, there were a lot of interesting interior choices, cool ambient interior lighting, and the biggest thing for me is getting in and out of the car in the back seat was a much easier in the Volkswagen. The problem for me is... it's a Volkswagen, and I've always been a Japanese import guy. Never owned a Volkswagen , have never had any desire to own a Volkswagen because they're usually unreliable pieces of crap. But being electric a lot of the powertrain problems go away. What I might end up doing is picking up a used Chevy Bolt, $15k or so, which would be perfect for around town. And I'll just keep my old Prius for Long road trips. 2008 Prius 372,000 Miles, and it still gives me 45 - 47 MPG. My total cost for mile is 7 - 9 cents depending on fuel cost. That's fuel all maintenance and tires.. Not exactly an exciting car, but let me tell you this car has had the living hell beat out of it in the last 3 years. I personally put 172,000 miles on it in 3 years using it for Rideshare and a few cross country trips
@@kens97sto171 Funny, we also have a Prius; it gets filled up about 2-3 times per year because we drive it so little. And the last couple of major road trips I've taken it's been with the model 3 and I can't imagine choosing to do those in the Prius instead. (Seattle to LA; 1190miles one way and Seattle to Oakland; 820 miles one way). I wanted a car that would do everything I want it to, and that included the occasional road trip. Granted, I bought it about 3 years ago when no one else could really do a road trip realistically. I'd also wait on the Bolt until they have their battery issue fully sorted. It may not affect the current ones, but I've not dug into it much so I'm not sure.
I rented a Kia EV6 for a Boulder / RMNP trip and I found that as public charging goes: 60% of the time, it works every time. The car was great, though!
Pay $150k and then pay with mental anguish every time you road trip. How the heck can the legacy brands be so completely hopeless!? This trip in any Tesla (with the overnight stop) would be trivial. ~500-600 miles is easy. 2 stops, as likely would in a gas car for toilet/food over 8+ hrs of driving.
Yep I can verify the trip was easy and in no way stressful. I have model X and I charged up 9 times total from LA to Denver. Didn’t really need to, probably 7 would of sufficed, but food, restroom and needing to stretch dictated stopping.
@@yingnyang2889 But in an "efficient" ICE and with decent bladder control and especially with a second driver, you could make the trip in one day (less than 14 hours) and only 3 stops and you wouldn't need all these "food" breaks and a hotel stop...
@@OlJackBurton I did, it was like 21 hrs total. In a perfect world I could just drive my life away and damn the torpedoes. Unfortunately, that most lecherous foe - bad back, and driving with my wife, dictates otherwise and I can’t control her bladder. It was very easy with auto pilot, as the car drove itself most of the way there and home too. I’m sure it would have been easier driving 40 yrs ago.
I really enjoyed this real world experience! I agree that it's nice to stretch your legs while charging. Unfortunately, most people who ask about range can't imagine having to do that so they stay skeptical. One thing I would have preferred is if you stuck with the Porsche Taycan route planner, especially since they lent you the car and that was what made this road trip video stand out compared to the others.
It depends on electricity costs in that area. Generally the west coast has higher electricity than the south. In Georgia, charging overnight is a penny per kilowatt, so less than a dollar for a Tesla. Superchargers cost more due to higher daytime electricity rates. I’ve paid $10 on a supercharger.
In the podcast I think they said they realized halfway through that the Porsche comes with x amount of electricify america charging . Don't know if video shows that I haven't finished yet
Porsche Taycan comes with 3 years of free EA charging for the first 30 mins. So they can get a 30 min charge at one station, and by the time they get to the next station, the can get another 30 mins for free.
Also, public charging stations are rarely under a canopy, like gas pumps. I didn’t realize how much I appreciated overhead shelter until I didn’t have it.
The constant stops and planning as opposed to just pulling off at the next exit when the gas light comes on makes electric cars seem incredibly frustrating to road trip in.
@@BryceLovesTech nope. We drive the same distance in a Model3 and maybe stop three times for 20 minutes each stop. Porsche is indeed a big pain in the beehind.
@@thepurplemaskknows9383 What Porsche has to do with the decision of these guys to do multiple small stops?. Now is EA as good as the Tesla SC network? No! But with some software updates, it will get there.
@@silimarina. I'm sure you are correct, however VW, who creates EA as part of the Diesel Gate settlement, wants out of that. So far nobody shows any interest in taking it over
I have an Audi eTron with a very spotty experience with Electrify America. They often have inoperative chargers, necessitating switching chargers, lengthy calls to customer service. I don't think they have their act together yet. Just luck of the draw. Wonderful car, but its difficult to imagine a pleasant long distance trip until the infrastructure improves markedly.
Great video guys. I'm surprised that one of the big gas station companies hasn't taken the initiative to build a charging network at their stations. This would eliminate most range anxiety and some company needs to perfect those charging speeds.
@@thedopplereffect00 Mosr people who road trip spend 15-20 min at a gas station. They fill up, use the restroom, wander around the store and grab food. I don’t know about you but when I’m road tripping I don’t gas up and leave immediately. It takes 30 min to charge your Tesla with enough range to make it 200+ miles to the next place.
@@thedopplereffect00 I was thinking more about convenience on long trips and I'd think it would be more like 15 minutes if the charging process were perfected. A beach vacation for us would be about 400 miles. Two 15 minute stops and we'd be there. It would beat trying to find some obscure restaurant in the middle of nowhere to charge.
@@dalejones4322 Tesla is much easier. It's better and bigger and faster network. This is mostly a problem with EA. But getting some national gas stations on board would be brilliant. They probably have an issue making it "Too Easy" and hurting their main customers...the ICE vehicles. It will be at their own expense though if they don't...because EVs are coming fast...and Tesla is leading the way.
I'd like to see a review,2 cars ,same price,1 ev 1 petrol.How much time waiting for a charge & how much vs gas vehicle in the course of a year.Also talk about how long the batteries last & how much for a replacement. And lastly what becomes of all these batteries over time,where are the going to go & what is the repercussion on the environment.
@@springer-qb4dv that is a false statement. Tesla doesn't come up with the epa estimate. And even if they don't meet it as you suggest there is reliable fast supercharger network that can give you enough charge to go anywhere at least in US without any issue.
@@MrShahramk61 No need to look at EPA Rating...they never reach the range of Teslas own estimates, too. Only Mercedes EQS 450+ is close to it...770km. A German journalist drove from München to Berlin...636km and 48km left...without charging at all. Since it consumed only 15,8 kwh/100km on German Autobahn, it takes only 15 min to charge another 300km again.
HERE in Germany I drive my 530d BMW at 110 mph (180 kph) all day and it uses 32mpg (7,2 liter 100km) on the Autobahn. I dont See the point of driving electric it doesnt make sense for me. Here in Germany driving at 75 or 85 mph with a premium car is like beeing an obstacle on the road. Here are diesels the Rule!
@@tommy516 i might get sidetracked to a bmw instead though. i really want a bimmer bike but no license. i4 is relatively cheap in my country. might get a bimmer after i pay off the new mini se that i ordered.
Agree about fighting over chargers in the near-future... As more people get EVs, those charging stations will get busy fast, and with ICE-ing and broken stations regularly, it'll get worse. So, I hope more chargers will be installed soon. I do see EA stations popping up fast around my area... and Volta stations too ... and we need more L2 stations as well.
I am frankly nearly in disbelief that you didn't think it would be important as part of thoroughly testing a car to use its own built in route planning / charging planning software.
@@TFLcar Considering u were testing the car and not ABRP or any other app, perhaps u could have stuck to the car's system, just so we know how well it works
@@AK-zd6yr you can figure that out with just a little bit of deductive reasoning... It's crap and needs work.... If the built in route planner says to charge up to 95%, and you KNOW that charging after 80% is much slower and thus going to add to the road trip time, you can see easily why they did things the way they did.. this was explained
@@bkphil89 Oh, I did figure that out. I know for a fact that the Taycan's GPS/ Infotainment system is rubbish. It is inaccurate, laggy and clumsy. And I think the guys knew it too, hence the preemptive bail out by pivoting to ABRP. So as a Taycan owner, I have to rely on a third party app on my phone to road trip. In a $150k car. That is simply unacceptable.
@@AK-zd6yr I guess that means you are not buying Taycan... :) I am not either, but if I would, I would not see that unacceptable at all. I would charge 98% at home and rest 2% I would for sure manage. But naturally everybody have their own priorities.
The fight for chargers is coming sooner rather than later and unless the charging times improve or the there are more charging stations , it’s going to get worse.
It’s a tough learning curve. I’m grateful to those people willing to buy these vehicles now. Personally, I’m going to wait as long as possible to covert to electric transportation. Informative video gentlemen.
None. Buy a Toyota Prius for half the cost of an EV, get over 500 miles in real world range, refuel in a few minutes. Then spend the extra money and time enjoying your vacation.
None. It might add a couple hours of drive time. If you normally take breaks and stop to eat, it might add a minimal amount of drive time if you plan your charging around the breaks and dining.
Hi, just a few recommendations, run as far as you can in your first charge (from the hotel) so you pull in less than 10%, If you aren’t using the Porsche Nav, it doesn’t precondition, If one 350 doesn’t give as much as you expect, try another. Otherwise, good video
Remember this is a new car with 100% available battery capacity … over time range / capacity reduces as the battery ages. OK if you are running around town, not good if you do a road trip a couple of times a year.
it's really a non issue if the charger had been able to charge quickly. I've taken my Model 3 from NY to HHI and back twice now and it was a mostly fantastic experience. It added a couple of hours to my trip but it was more enjoyable because I was able to rest my eyes or grab a bite to eat or take a quick walk while charging up for the 20-30 mins but obviously that's not for everyone
First really long range drive I’ve seen. Well done. Also, looking forward to Pikes Peak. Still for me, the repeated stops are an issue. In day to day driving, the range is ok, but on a fairly regular basis I make much longer trips. Stopping ever 100 tp 150 miles would drive me crazy.
Tommy, the reason the miles on the Tesla dash is always wrong is because that is an EPA number. To get the true miles pull up the energy chart. It give the actual miles at the present time as you are now driving. It is very accurate. Also if it helps Barstow is pronounced Barsto as in the word low. Great video guys!
I don’t understand how VW can make that big of an investment in chargers, and they just don’t really work well. They’ve been at this for years. Charging a Tesla is absurdly easy, you literally just plug it in. The wand even opens the charge door, it takes 2-3 seconds to plug in and it just starts charging. No payment hassles, it’s extremely rare the charger has issues, and they often put in 8 or more units at every location so they’re usually available.
EA...brought to you by the people who also brought you DieselGate! Any questions????? Bahahahahaha! VW wishes ICE would rule forever...and EVs would just go away.
Been waiting for this video. I really enjoyed it. I love road tripping my Mach-E, 700+ mile trips. You have to plan. I use ABRP mostly. I agree it's the EV golden age from the stand point of having available charging stations due to low volume. There a CP station in New Buffalo, MI with one charger. Last time I stopped there, another Mach-E had to wait 20 minutes for me to get to 80% battery. I've seen the Taycan at the dealer. Couldn't believe how low the roof is. What a sleek and gorgeous car. Roman's Tesla bias showed through, but I still loved the video. More EV road trip videos!
Imagine 5 years from now when you will not only have to wait and sit around while your car is charging, you will have to wait in line to even put the charger on your car. Really really great.
Nah. There's going to be a glut of chargers, especially non Tesla chargers. The vast majority of EV drivers charge at home. There are tons of EV owners that have never paid to use a charger or gone on a long road trip. Also 5 years from now, the average range will be closer to 500 miles than 300 miles...
@@TheHomeExpert5 But no one has enough cash nowadays to buy a car without financing, so good luck trying to sell private party at inflated selling prices...
@@OlJackBurton if you're selling a newer car, they can go to a bank or a credit union. I prefer to purchase cars that are at least five years old so that I don't take the depreciation hit and I usually don't sell them for at least four or five years, so by the time I sell them there at a price level where most people have the cash.
Tesla preconditions the battery to right temperature before you get to the supercharger so always get the optimal charging. At least your enjoying your curry 😂
I'm pretty sure it's the car, not the charging stations because the one charger said the car was asking for 98KW so that's what it was giving. Also if they aren't using the nav in the car it's not pre conditioning the battery for charging. So that might also be why they are getting slower charging speeds.
Im glad you all have the time and money and patience to do that testing so we can see what life is like with that. Aside from the cost of the car, everything about the overall exp except the "fuel' cost is way to dang costly.
We cool video guys! I am following your channel from Helsinki, Finland. Real life experiences is what people need. Porsche in Germany is bragging with the charging speeds, but actually that did not realize anywhere. After 3 years very happy Model S driver with free supercharging😂
Have you even driven a plaid version model s? All of the reviews I have seen talk about the vast improvement of build quality and how nice it drives. A few have also gotten some Taycan shattering range as long as they don't keep playing with the acceleration. My point is, drive it before using it as a comparison for would ya rather senerios. ( Or at least mention you haven't actually driven it or tested the range)
@@dirtlint8311 no I charge at home 98% of the time. When traveling longer distances I stick to one reliable network. What came first, the car or the gas station? If only Henry Ford built an entire network of gas stations around the US In hopes the car would take off as it did.
This is why I am laugh at this push for sustainable energy and EV everything. There's so much that is so far from being even halfway convenient. I love EV's and the thoughts of more sustainable living, but Everything I see around me and in the news says we are far from that reality. The big pushers of all this stuff are planning for it by the end of this decade, But everywhere I go, I fail to see how it's going to be a reality. Tesla is the only Viable option, and even that has limitations. Theres many places that dont even have ways to charge them outside of main routes and big cities. But I feel we are prematurely ditching the better energy system.
Which is why Tesla are the only game in town when it comes to electric road trips. No such drama with Tesla Supercharger network. Plug in and charge, no cards, apps or other shenanigans.
The TSLA Supercharger network is lightyears better than these other networks. You can see, on your screen, if there are any issues with the charged or if it’s occupied. Typically, with route planning, you spend 20-40 minutes at each charger every couple of hours. If you’re the type of roadtripper who tops off the tank and can deadhaul for hours without stopping, an EV isn’t for you. But if you’re like a lot of people who want to stretch your legs, use a restroom, grab a snack every couple of hours, it’s fine.
The EV charging market needs to develop service stations. Even gasoline/diesel service stations have a roof or canopy that helps prevent rain or snow from introducing water into the fuel. The grounded canopy also protects from lightning. Likewise, charging an EV in pouring rain, or during a thunderstorm is a reality for daily commuter vehicles. Until “fast charging” is actually fast and until weather protective charging becomes competitive with gasoline refueling with service station amenities; the average consumer isn’t going to EV in bulk for their household. I still think a hybrid transition is more appropriate. Our family utilizes a Honda C-RV Hybrid which averages between the high 30’s to low 50’s in MPG. We get both the (non-pluggable) EV benefits without loosing the convenience of quick and efficient refueling. However, I do feel that the pluggable hybrids need to be more available just so consumers have an opportunity to adapt in newer technologies.
TFL you need to watch and read up on the car and driver EV 1000, I feel like you must have read/watched that to inspire you to make this video. The Tesla Model 3 Performance (not even the Model S Plaid) blew the doors off of the Porsche in terms of range per speed (they have a graph in 10 mph increments). Anything under 80 mph and there is a wide margin of the Tesla out-performing the Taycan 4S PBP (larger battery), and even over 80 mph it still held its edge in terms of efficiency (albeit the gap narrowed). So all the talk about the Porsche range being more realistic compared to Tesla (the current trims available) is a questionable comparison.
My 2.0L Civic (manual) would have taken $75 to make the 1000mile trip with only 1 short fillup. Nothing new, but the GenX Civic is set up for the racetrack... Could do 10 straight laps with no heat issue.
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Bickering cucks.
NOTHING WORSE WHEN A MAN DROPS TROW SHOWING A PREPUBESCENT MALE'S PECKER.
you shouldnt be associated with that
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I realize it's sponsorship and it's needed, but...do we REALLY need to hear about Nathan's balls?
Or did everyone at TFL HQ draw straws to see who would do the spot? 🤔
Less money on the Tesla shows in the superior fit and finish of the Porsche. Among other things.
I learned that the money you save on gas is spent on food.
And increased footprint on mining fields in south america
Good thing you wouldn't need to eat otherwise.
I like how the car decides when and where you eat not your own stomach.
@@q-chan4764 Well it just means they have tons of time to spend so they can go to restaurants instead of sticking to just gas station food
eating while you charge is optional, not part of the deal when you buy an EV car
I'm thinking the Dad-Son outtakes for this trip would be fun to watch.
Yeah, the son def have made this show a lot better
lol that guy at the first charging station. His favorite thing about his $150k+ car is that it's cheap to charge? Really? Not the speed or features or style? If saving money was his criteria for a good car... well....
Lol,, you beat me to it....
I would be willing to bet that dirt head guy did not buy that car but he loves the free charging
@@John-209 That may be the case but people are funny,, they'll have a perfectly good PAID FOR vehicle that sucks gas and they'll rationalize paying huge $$ for something new that's more efficient and in their brain they're "saving" money,, lol.
Thats a 220k car lol!
Yeah I thought the same thing and he said it felt like he was stealing energy LOL! Was the car his ?
This was a really informative and enjoyable video.
I took a 1,100 miles road trip in my Model Y Performance and only needed to charge 5 times. It seems like they charged 10 times including an overnight full charge. They keep talking about the range is better then advertised, but it doesn't seem like it, if you have to stop every 150 miles charge. My trip was also in 113° heat, driving to Vegas.
Tommy is a tesla hater..
Range is better than advertised = they don't over estimate the real world driving range.
They was charging partially on a crap network.
You wouldn't have this problem with a hybrid
@@johnburkard3121 hybrids don't run on fairy dust.
@@johnburkard3121 Yep. I'd gas up twice in my Energi for 1100 miles. Maybe $80 total.
You need to tune your power usage in ABRP! It automatically sets an extremely conservative energy usage to make sure even the most insane drivers will reach destinations. Auto number for me was 320 kWh at 65mph iirc, but actual is about 280kwh.
Why would the computer not adjust to your driving style over several hundred miles? This isn't something you should have to manually configure.
@@otm646 ABRP (A Better Route Planner) is a third party app, so it has no idea how much energy the car is actually using.
Also I believe you can get a Bluetooth OBD2 dongle and Link it to a better route planner and it can get live data from the vehicle to better predict range and charging stops while you're in route.
@@kens97sto171 in cars with Apple Car Play or Android Auto if you’re running ABRP inside there then some vehicles allow the BMS to talking to ABRP.
@@skyemalcolm
Yes I've seen that with the Chevrolet bolt EV people that are running a better route planner getting live data from the vehicle. Don't know how it works exactly I've only seen the people can do it
Electrify America: "It's Porche's fault"
Porche: "It's Electrify America's fault"
Daddy VW: "WTF, you're both VW!"
They sucked so bad they had to build something that sucked equally bad. So now they can create more sucky experiences for the people whom they originally gave sucky experiences. I love how efficient they are at sucking. It's truly Germanic dedication.
Porsche, as in Ferdinand Porsche
Haha. I know huh? The charging dongle is somehow not Porsche’s fault, even though Electrify America is built by VW.
@@bradchin7746 all I know is that I live in a luxury building in Houston with more luxury cars than I can count. Multiple Cullinans and Bentaygas and lots of collectible Porsches. A loaded Range Rover doesn't stand out at all. And clearly the hottest car in the garage is a super cool GT2. Forget the Murcielago. There are just a handful of Teslas and one Taycan. But multiple Cullinans and Urus examples. The yellow GT2 and 2005 Ford GT were parked next to each other today. Electric what? In person person measured against these I would struggle to consider a new Land Rover Defender at that price. And the Taycan in comparison to the other Porsches is laughable.
EVGo and ChargePoint make a more seamless charging experience
I really don’t understand the lack of a built in sunshade with the huge @$$ glass roof. One thing VW got right on the ID was having a retractable sunshade.
Bad trend surely.
Totally! It would be interesting to see if someone has implemented electric window tinting for glass that large. I just guess that people put up with the heat, but it surely isn’t efficient as you have to cool the car down. Of course a retractable 1500W solar panel could cover the whole car could give you 12KW on a sunny day…a great offset for camp mode during boondocking.
@@Jethr001 Mclaren has it in some of there cars like the 720s, push a button and you get auto dimming glass! 🤷🏽♂️
@@Jethr001 Mercedes introduced 'Magic Sky Control' glass roof electric tinting on their sub-$40k SLK range 10 years ago. I think it also made it into the S-class.
Porsche now offers variable light control on the skylight, (it will allow you to electronically frost the glass). Cool tech, but a 3290$ option. I’d probably install window tint instead.
0:32 In-N-Out Burger owns all of their restaurant locations, just as Tesla owns all of their Supercharger locations. This way they can control the quality. Good. Inexpensive. Fast.
I have this Taycan after having a Model Y for several years and Tommy is correct. Watching your range drop precipitously on the Y for no discernible reason was something I just accepted. And then I got this and I couldn’t believe how accurate the range estimates are. And I often get more miles than the range estimator guesses. It’s such a wonderful car.
Would be interesting to know your total time charging vs total time driving
In this car? Probably 50/50 lol
@@Alexzw92 source? Or are you pulling it out of your ass?
So how long did the trip actually take? At the beginning it said it should take 19 hrs. Seeing how you had trouble with the chargers, how much more time did it take?
Did you keep track of how much each charge cost and add it up?
If you look on Out of Spec Motoring, they do a quite detailed review on how long Electrify America charging stations take to operate. Of course, they were constantly speeding and going ultra fast. But it's a good "best case scenario" for a road trip and costs.... ;p
Welcome to the EA experience. Get ready to call EA almost every other charge session to get started
@@robertschenck9902 they have a pretty great customer service team, calling ahead does work wonders. For the next 3 years I'm sure they will have tons of odd hiccups
@@minivanmaster I hope so but I’m not sure EA will be there at this rate of customer experience
Gosh that charger experience was stressful to watch. Part of the reason I love my Chevy Volt, rarely ever use gas but when I have to go on a road trip it's simple and painless.
I know the feeling. Got a Honda Clarity PHEV. For daily commuting, it runs in pure EV mode. Gasoline generator is there for road trips.
EA sucks that is why.
@@grahamstefaan Yeah pretty unfortunate that they cancelled the Volt. I'm sure GM could've made something interesting using their 1.2/1.3L 3-cyl..
@@WhiteWi EA is the only major DC charger network next to Tesla. Nobody else comes close. So we're stuck with their shitty system until the bugs are worked out.
@@WhiteWi Not Tesla...They charge just fine.
The father, son relationship is awesome. I wish that I had had that. Good work Roman!
Took a shot every time Tommy said Barst-OW. #wasted
If you consider how far range and charging stations have come in just the last 5 years this is pretty impressive. No we aren't there yet but it's cool to witness such a major automotive evolution.
.43c kWh? WOW!!!! I have a Tesla Model 3 and supercharging rates here in Houston are as low as .09 and as high as .13!
Exactly. Put the costs above what it would have been for a gas vehicle
@@Brandon-ll3ff But 13c per Kwh is a faction of Gas Vehicle.
@@Neojhun pricing goes to show how unreliable electric vehicles are. You don’t see gas prices 400% higher in part of the country versus the other
@@Rkbrown88 LOL that is a logical fail. EV charging have a massive swing in price because there is many multiple sources. There is not much choice with sourcing Fuel as it's an industry cartel or government regulated. Electricity has true competition and your main source with private charging is most likely a fraction the price of Fuel. This is Level 3 DC Fast Charging meant to be rarely used. Even Level 2 Public Charging is cheap. "unreliable electric vehicles are" is both poor wording and technically wrong.
Tesla superchargers charge .42c per kWh here in Cali on peak too. Not just Electrify America.
@11:00
TFL: “What’s your favorite thing about the turbo?”
Guy: “The savings”
Taycan Turbo: “I’m a $150,000 car”
Compared to a 911 turbo he's saving a lot of money.
11:40 at $0.43 /kwh .. there is NO SAVINGS on energy. Especially considering the value of YOUR time waiting.
At home charging there is huge savings, with US average at 13 cents/kwh.
Well he is paying $3000 a month on payment so any savings on gas is a plus.
Looking at that guy, I have to question what I’m doing wrong that I can’t afford a $160k car....
@@apb1236 my observation is, I need wacky cool sunglasses, then money will just appear for such things.
As a Tesla owner just did a 3000 miles road trip from NY to TX, I find this painful to watch 😂
What I've learned from electric car videos.
If you need your electric car to roadtrip, get a Tesla. If you never roadtrip, or have an ICE car for roadtrips, you can get something else. I have yet to see a truly positive video of a roadtrip in an electric car that isn't a Tesla.
You got that right
Except that the self driving functionality is best utilized on a road trip. GM Super Cruise isn't bad, but it's not as versatile as the Tesla AP. I've driven nearly the exact route they're taking here.
@@otm646 Problem is that the only cars worth getting supercruise on are suuuuuuuper expensive. The Bolt EV and EUV are pretty lukewarm options when compared to even the base model 3.
@@huehuehue-x3c What I've learned from electric car videos.
Buy a Toyota for half the price.
@@huehuehue-x3c there cheaper tho... Affordability is key... Electrified America's needs to get on their shit and have more reliable charging stations
As an E-tron owner I use the Electrified America chargers and regularly see 150KW charging speeds that hold 100KW till it’s 100% full.. I’m surprised the Taycan kept hanging around the 60KW mark…
Agreed. My VW ID4 gets 120kw at EA stations as well. That Porsche must have a technical issue. If alone at a station with 350 charger it should get almost max charge.
recently took a trip in my Model S - 250 KWH charger was charging at just over 300 miles per hour of charge. Don't understand why the Porsche is charging so slowly. Looks like a beautiful car
EA is probably sandbagging...it IS brought to you by the company that brought us DieselGate. They will probably need to improve it once they actually have any significant number of EVs sold in the US by VW AG.
Two words: Battery cooling? When they come into the Chargers, the Porsche batteries are so hot from use on the road, Porsche have to throttle back charge over theoretical max when batteries are cool. No one wants a car to catch on fire. Tesla, with all their faults, are years ahead of competitors regarding this topic. Does not happen.. certainly not like what we see here.
John Ross - thank you for the thoughtful reply. You’re correct that Tesla knows you’re going to the Supercharger and cools the battery BEFORE you arrive
Would of been nice to see the breakdown cost in electricity the entire trip
I think this is a great car for commuting to work and running around town. That is the way most people drive on a daily basis. On average ,most people don't drive far enough to use a full charge in a day. I average 60 miles away when I work so I could change at home each night. It's not a great road trip car. This is the future of transportation and the infrastructure will get better . The people that buy this car are contributing to help advance the technology . If I had the money, I would buy one.
I love my Mach-E road-tripped from Louisiana to West Texas with minimal issues. Plug & Go with my Mach-E.
The total miles driven was 1,200 round trip. Charging was free on the way home for the 4th of July, provided by EA.
Best part of this was Nathan talking about manscaping. Totally made me laugh.
When it is pouring down rain and you pump gas you have a roof. How about when charging? Umbrella?
They haven't gone that far yet. Coming soon......
You just plug it in and then sit in your car.
@@thedopplereffect00 Have you done it in the rain, did you see how long it took them to plug it in, not say if that charging is broken or not, trying to figure it out and all.
I travel between the LA area and Park City regularly. There are a lot of electric cars in PC 100% Teslas. Everyone I have talked to says charging network is the reason because everyone needs to drive more than 300 miles on occasion. One point you missed is that GM and VW actually DID build charging networks. GM built one for the original Electric Car which they then destroyed to sell ICE cars. VW built the very charging network you used but didn’t give a crap about performance or usability because they only did it to settle the diesel gate lawsuits. If either of the biggest car companies in the world had done their work well charging would never have been an issue.
12:03 “That’s what you do at Electrify America, you call then up”
Even though this video is already nearly a year old it's the most informative & entertaining car video I've seen in quite some time. Thx guys!
"Tow truck," Tommy. "Tow" truck. "Barstow."
Seriously, it's not Barstah. Not that hard. Probably the most annoying part of this video.
Or even Bar-Stow like stowaway.
They drove a Jeep Wrangler from LA to Boulder a few years back....and it seems like that trip went faster...other than adding a quart of oil at one of the stops.
we visited there last Oct. & it was awesome.. i've ordered the tri motor fsd ct & i can't wait for it to get here!! I may buy the S or the Y in the meantime..i got lots of solar & back up battery system as well.
You have to get the premium version of A Better Route Planner therefore you can get live State of Charge. Also in the settings you can put in the approximate weight of passengers and baggage that you are carrying, average Watt hr per mile, etc to help get more accurate readings as far as mileage and charge status. They also have a slider for Faster stops or Shorter legs.
For road trips, charging rate are more important than range. The ID4 has the best charging curve right now other than Tesla
The Taycan has a far better charging rate, when the chargers work correctly. Speeds at the low end up to 270 Kwh and stays faster than the ID.4 can charge up to 80%. Audis also have a great charging rate, while their max is 150 Kwh, they stay high, like the Tesla, up to 80%.
I'm glad to see you are documenting this. As a fellow early-adopter and user of Electrify America it is great to see that I'm not the only one losing my mind using these things.
I have to ask what cell service do you have?? The AT&T store is right there in the video 😆
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ICE stand for "Internal Combustion Engine"? If that's true then how does a Tesla "ICE" anyone????
These guys hate on Tesla any chance they get.
The figure of speech is unrelated to the acronym.
@@Spudeaux I don’t agree buddy. They capitalized it and everyone who watches these videos and follows EV news knows that it stands for Internal Combustion Engine and is ALWAYS used when a gas or diesel powered vehicle blocks a Tesla Supercharger or an EV charging station. The think the figure of speech is 100% related to the acronym. More than that, the figure of speech and acronym are the same thing.
I love the justifying how in “the golden age” it is okay that making a long trip in an EV is a PITA. Like those people that laud over a dishwasher that uses little water… to them it is of secondary importance that the dishes don’t actually get clean. I agree about the “golden age” of EV… the experience seen on this video is likely as good as it gets. Dare you to make the same trip the day before Thanksgiving. Good thing “time isn’t money”.
If you like a better route planner, I highly suggest you get the subscription for only five bucks a month. It connects to your car, and uses real time data for battery info. Pretty accurate in my use.
Father and son road trip, AWESOME!
Love this videos! Maybe one with Andre and Nathan too, where you take hybrid cars (Ioniq, Camry, Prius etc…) or in between various electric cars. We need more informative/fun content like this!
When Tommy’s car breaks down ...
.. he gets a TAO back to the garage because he can’t say TOW.
When Tommy boards a plane he’ll STAO his carry on luggage in the overhead bins because he can’t say STOW.
Good thing nobody ever asks directions to Barstow since Tommy is headed to Barstao.
I've watched many EV reviews from around the world. Norway has a couple of reviewers who do similar tests. They also drive shorter distances before charging but then only charge to the point of getting to the next level 3 chargers. They would run the battery down to 20% as that is typically where you would hit the peak charging speeds.
The disclaimer is that Norway has a lot more high speed chargers than North America.
They want to ramp up EV sales and this is the condition of the charging infrastructure?? 🤔🙄
This is the condition of the non-Tesla charging infrastructure. The Supercharger network is nothing like this; it just works.
@@toddwright662
Most of the rest of the non Tesla chargers also just work. For whatever reason Roman and Tommy always seem to have problems in almost every electric car they ever test.
If you want to see perhaps a bit more balanced experience. I would check out the RUclips channel called "out of spec motoring"
Kyle has done far more extensive road tripping both in Tesla's and other Electric vehicles. He's got two cannonball run World records, one in his personal model 3 Performance and the second one he just recently did in a Porsche Taycan 4S.
That Porsche lent him knowing he was going to do the cannonball run. That ought to give you some idea about the manufacturer's confidence in his abilities and his knowledge..
Volkswagen just let him borrow a base model ID4 to run from Florida back to Colorado he has a video about that experience.
There is no doubt there are plenty of problems with non Tesla evs. The biggest one to me is the fact that you don't have the integrated navigation and you don't have plug in charging.
Which just makes no sense at all considering Volkswagen owns Electrify America and Porsche.
Yet the Ford mach e does in fact have plug to charge.
But if you want to see some interesting variety in different types of electric vehicles and their capabilities I think Kyle has the better experience and more cars that he's tested under different circumstances. By the way he also tests a bunch of other kind of cars also. He has multiple RUclips channels.
Also he's funny he's got a good sense of humor he's a very light-hearted type guy.
And his RUclips videos are quite fun to watch but also informative. When shit goes wrong and sometimes it does he does not hide it it's all part of the experience and he likes to put it front and center when it goes wrong and when it goes right.
@@kens97sto171 Yeah, I guess I'm stuck in a "2-years ago" mindset when just about everyone bitched about the reliability (and availability) of non-Tesla chargers. I've had a Model 3 for just shy of three years now and don't use the Supercharger network all that often, but when I do, it just works every time*; just plug it in and walk away.
*I did have one stop in which the charger failed, but there were 8 total chargers and none of the others were in use, so I just used a different one; cost me about 3 minutes.
@@toddwright662
Things have definitely gotten better in the last couple of years but Electrify America definitely still has some problems. Although they are going through and replacing a lot of their chargers currently. In the video , there were a few chargers that had a square opening in the top half of the charger with a green light sort of on the inside, those are the new style chargers and they're manufactured by someone different than the previous ones.
When Kyle has been doing his road trips he has noticed that these newer chargers seem to be more reliable especially when it comes to high power outputs.
Tesla definitely makes it easier there is no doubt.
The thing for me is 99% of the time you're driving around home, plugging in at your house.
So it seems to me charging networks shouldn't be the primary reason to pick one car or the other.
It ought to be Space, practicality, looks, interior, seat comfort etc.
I took a look at a Volkswagen ID4.
I found it to be a much more pleasant car than the Tesla Model y.
Fit and finish was better, there were a lot of interesting interior choices, cool ambient interior lighting, and the biggest thing for me is getting in and out of the car in the back seat was a much easier in the Volkswagen.
The problem for me is...
it's a Volkswagen, and I've always been a Japanese import guy.
Never owned a Volkswagen , have never had any desire to own a Volkswagen because they're usually unreliable pieces of crap.
But being electric a lot of the powertrain problems go away.
What I might end up doing is picking up a used Chevy Bolt, $15k or so, which would be perfect for around town. And I'll just keep my old Prius for Long road trips.
2008 Prius 372,000 Miles, and it still gives me 45 - 47 MPG.
My total cost for mile is 7 - 9 cents depending on fuel cost. That's fuel all maintenance and tires..
Not exactly an exciting car, but let me tell you this car has had the living hell beat out of it in the last 3 years. I personally put 172,000 miles on it in 3 years using it for Rideshare and a few cross country trips
@@kens97sto171 Funny, we also have a Prius; it gets filled up about 2-3 times per year because we drive it so little. And the last couple of major road trips I've taken it's been with the model 3 and I can't imagine choosing to do those in the Prius instead. (Seattle to LA; 1190miles one way and Seattle to Oakland; 820 miles one way). I wanted a car that would do everything I want it to, and that included the occasional road trip. Granted, I bought it about 3 years ago when no one else could really do a road trip realistically.
I'd also wait on the Bolt until they have their battery issue fully sorted. It may not affect the current ones, but I've not dug into it much so I'm not sure.
I rented a Kia EV6 for a Boulder / RMNP trip and I found that as public charging goes: 60% of the time, it works every time. The car was great, though!
Pay $150k and then pay with mental anguish every time you road trip. How the heck can the legacy brands be so completely hopeless!?
This trip in any Tesla (with the overnight stop) would be trivial. ~500-600 miles is easy. 2 stops, as likely would in a gas car for toilet/food over 8+ hrs of driving.
Yep I can verify the trip was easy and in no way stressful. I have model X and I charged up 9 times total from LA to Denver. Didn’t really need to, probably 7 would of sufficed, but food, restroom and needing to stretch dictated stopping.
@@yingnyang2889 But in an "efficient" ICE and with decent bladder control and especially with a second driver, you could make the trip in one day (less than 14 hours) and only 3 stops and you wouldn't need all these "food" breaks and a hotel stop...
@@OlJackBurton I did, it was like 21 hrs total. In a perfect world I could just drive my life away and damn the torpedoes. Unfortunately, that most lecherous foe - bad back, and driving with my wife, dictates otherwise and I can’t control her bladder. It was very easy with auto pilot, as the car drove itself most of the way there and home too. I’m sure it would have been easier driving 40 yrs ago.
I really enjoyed this real world experience! I agree that it's nice to stretch your legs while charging. Unfortunately, most people who ask about range can't imagine having to do that so they stay skeptical.
One thing I would have preferred is if you stuck with the Porsche Taycan route planner, especially since they lent you the car and that was what made this road trip video stand out compared to the others.
How much is cost in charging fees for the journey?
Yeah, my thought too. After doing all this, say charging went smoothly, what is the cost savings?
It depends on electricity costs in that area. Generally the west coast has higher electricity than the south. In Georgia, charging overnight is a penny per kilowatt, so less than a dollar for a Tesla. Superchargers cost more due to higher daytime electricity rates. I’ve paid $10 on a supercharger.
After spending over $100,000 on Porsche does it really matter?
In the podcast I think they said they realized halfway through that the Porsche comes with x amount of electricify america charging . Don't know if video shows that I haven't finished yet
Porsche Taycan comes with 3 years of free EA charging for the first 30 mins. So they can get a 30 min charge at one station, and by the time they get to the next station, the can get another 30 mins for free.
I love that it looks like what you would expect no weird styling. 🇨🇦
I think it's probably one of the best-looking cars currently for sale.
Friggin halarious the sprinklers were spraying the chargers and cars when you were charging!!!!!!
It all looks not fully thought through. But getting rained on is not a safety risk on these machines.
Also, public charging stations are rarely under a canopy, like gas pumps. I didn’t realize how much I appreciated overhead shelter until I didn’t have it.
The constant stops and planning as opposed to just pulling off at the next exit when the gas light comes on makes electric cars seem incredibly frustrating to road trip in.
ikr...? i like EV's but consciously making a decision to drive one for 1000 miles makes one seem like a masochist. #SQUAREPEGINTOAROUNDHOLE
Not with Tesla
@@BryceLovesTech nope. We drive the same distance in a Model3 and maybe stop three times for 20 minutes each stop. Porsche is indeed a big pain in the beehind.
@@thepurplemaskknows9383 What Porsche has to do with the decision of these guys to do multiple small stops?. Now is EA as good as the Tesla SC network? No! But with some software updates, it will get there.
@@silimarina. I'm sure you are correct, however VW, who creates EA as part of the Diesel Gate settlement, wants out of that. So far nobody shows any interest in taking it over
I have an Audi eTron with a very spotty experience with Electrify America. They often have inoperative chargers, necessitating switching chargers, lengthy calls to customer service. I don't think they have their act together yet. Just luck of the draw. Wonderful car, but its difficult to imagine a pleasant long distance trip until the infrastructure improves markedly.
15 minutes in and Roman looks done... lol.. such a sad state that these 3rd party chargers are in.
No worries, uncle Musk said he's making Tesla supercharges available to all EV!! LOL
@@springer-qb4dv Only in Europe.
I think regardless of what manufacturers say the charge speeds are, it's dictated by the current power network.
Great video guys. I'm surprised that one of the big gas station companies hasn't taken the initiative to build a charging network at their stations. This would eliminate most range anxiety and some company needs to perfect those charging speeds.
Tesla’s charging network addresses that. Their charging experience is way better. More chargers and simple to use. No apps. Just pull up and charge.
Who wants to spend 30 minutes sitting at a gas station?
@@thedopplereffect00 Mosr people who road trip spend 15-20 min at a gas station. They fill up, use the restroom, wander around the store and grab food. I don’t know about you but when I’m road tripping I don’t gas up and leave immediately. It takes 30 min to charge your Tesla with enough range to make it 200+ miles to the next place.
@@thedopplereffect00 I was thinking more about convenience on long trips and I'd think it would be more like 15 minutes if the charging process were perfected. A beach vacation for us would be about 400 miles. Two 15 minute stops and we'd be there. It would beat trying to find some obscure restaurant in the middle of nowhere to charge.
@@dalejones4322 Tesla is much easier. It's better and bigger and faster network. This is mostly a problem with EA. But getting some national gas stations on board would be brilliant. They probably have an issue making it "Too Easy" and hurting their main customers...the ICE vehicles.
It will be at their own expense though if they don't...because EVs are coming fast...and Tesla is leading the way.
I'd like to see a review,2 cars ,same price,1 ev 1 petrol.How much time waiting for a charge & how much vs gas vehicle in the course of a year.Also talk about how long the batteries last & how much for a replacement. And lastly what becomes of all these batteries over time,where are the going to go & what is the repercussion on the environment.
Why do you think they have a bigger battery and less range estimate? Because they are super inefficient.
Better than hyping and lying Musk range estimate. Tesla cars never meet their epa range estimate.
@@springer-qb4dv that is a false statement. Tesla doesn't come up with the epa estimate. And even if they don't meet it as you suggest there is reliable fast supercharger network that can give you enough charge to go anywhere at least in US without any issue.
@@MrShahramk61 No need to look at EPA Rating...they never reach the range of Teslas own estimates, too.
Only Mercedes EQS 450+ is close to it...770km.
A German journalist drove from München to Berlin...636km and 48km left...without charging at all. Since it consumed only 15,8 kwh/100km on German Autobahn, it takes only 15 min to charge another 300km again.
How come those charging stations have no covers to protect if raining?
Darn it! I wanted to see the worlds largest thermometer.
HERE in Germany I drive my 530d BMW at 110 mph (180 kph) all day and it uses 32mpg (7,2 liter 100km) on the Autobahn. I dont See the point of driving electric it doesnt make sense for me. Here in Germany driving at 75 or 85 mph with a premium car is like beeing an obstacle on the road. Here are diesels the Rule!
for a long distance road trip. Get a Prius!! or other Hybrid. you don’t need to gas up for 600-800 km
You can do that in a Cayenne and a 911 as well! ;)
@@tommy516 911 is on my shopping list 2030. And that is being optimistic.
@@YourMajestyTheKing it’s good to have goals, one was on my list for a long time and I was eve table to get one!
@@tommy516 i might get sidetracked to a bmw instead though. i really want a bimmer bike but no license. i4 is relatively cheap in my country. might get a bimmer after i pay off the new mini se that i ordered.
Agree about fighting over chargers in the near-future... As more people get EVs, those charging stations will get busy fast, and with ICE-ing and broken stations regularly, it'll get worse. So, I hope more chargers will be installed soon. I do see EA stations popping up fast around my area... and Volta stations too ... and we need more L2 stations as well.
I am frankly nearly in disbelief that you didn't think it would be important as part of thoroughly testing a car to use its own built in route planning / charging planning software.
We explain it. Porsche recommends stopping for too long using their onboard system
@@TFLcar Considering u were testing the car and not ABRP or any other app, perhaps u could have stuck to the car's system, just so we know how well it works
@@AK-zd6yr you can figure that out with just a little bit of deductive reasoning... It's crap and needs work.... If the built in route planner says to charge up to 95%, and you KNOW that charging after 80% is much slower and thus going to add to the road trip time, you can see easily why they did things the way they did.. this was explained
@@bkphil89 Oh, I did figure that out. I know for a fact that the Taycan's GPS/ Infotainment system is rubbish. It is inaccurate, laggy and clumsy. And I think the guys knew it too, hence the preemptive bail out by pivoting to ABRP.
So as a Taycan owner, I have to rely on a third party app on my phone to road trip. In a $150k car. That is simply unacceptable.
@@AK-zd6yr I guess that means you are not buying Taycan... :)
I am not either, but if I would, I would not see that unacceptable at all. I would charge 98% at home and rest 2% I would for sure manage.
But naturally everybody have their own priorities.
Can you do a cost comparison vs a gas car of similar size and weight over the same distance? also how much time you spent "fueling up"
The fight for chargers is coming sooner rather than later and unless the charging times improve or the there are more charging stations , it’s going to get worse.
About 80% of the charging done in America is at home.
@@MachoCool558 Way more than that. 90%+ is at home. Most people commute less than 35 miles.
It’s a tough learning curve. I’m grateful to those people willing to buy these vehicles now. Personally, I’m going to wait as long as possible to covert to electric transportation. Informative video gentlemen.
I just need to know how many more vacation days I need to take in addition for the drive home!
None. Buy a Toyota Prius for half the cost of an EV, get over 500 miles in real world range, refuel in a few minutes. Then spend the extra money and time enjoying your vacation.
@@kratosdisciple4637 how cheap it is to get Prius in US?
Since it's still cheaper to get Corolla cross/C-HR hybrid instead Prius in my country
@@febrianadji5758 Corolla is an excellent vehicle. As for the price it depends on the trim and options.
None, as an electric car owner you charge when you are eating or sleeping. Done.
None. It might add a couple hours of drive time. If you normally take breaks and stop to eat, it might add a minimal amount of drive time if you plan your charging around the breaks and dining.
Hi, just a few recommendations, run as far as you can in your first charge (from the hotel) so you pull in less than 10%,
If you aren’t using the Porsche Nav, it doesn’t precondition,
If one 350 doesn’t give as much as you expect, try another.
Otherwise, good video
Remember this is a new car with 100% available battery capacity … over time range / capacity reduces as the battery ages. OK if you are running around town, not good if you do a road trip a couple of times a year.
it's really a non issue if the charger had been able to charge quickly. I've taken my Model 3 from NY to HHI and back twice now and it was a mostly fantastic experience. It added a couple of hours to my trip but it was more enjoyable because I was able to rest my eyes or grab a bite to eat or take a quick walk while charging up for the 20-30 mins but obviously that's not for everyone
This was a fun video. Tommy couldn’t shake calling it Barst OWWWWWWW 😂
First really long range drive I’ve seen. Well done. Also, looking forward to Pikes Peak.
Still for me, the repeated stops are an issue. In day to day driving, the range is ok, but on a fairly regular basis I make much longer trips. Stopping ever 100 tp 150 miles would drive me crazy.
Watch the out of spec RUclips channel he actually knows how to drive evs
This is a Porsche / EA problem...not the same for Teslas. Better infrastructure...better range.
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Tommy, the reason the miles on the Tesla dash is always wrong is because that is an EPA number. To get the true miles pull up the energy chart. It give the actual miles at the present time as you are now driving. It is very accurate. Also if it helps Barstow is pronounced Barsto as in the word low. Great video guys!
So many stops for 1000 miles. That would be one stop in my 36 gallon F-150. Great video!
Good music choice at the 8 minute mark. That’s probably my favorite U2 album.
I don’t understand how VW can make that big of an investment in chargers, and they just don’t really work well. They’ve been at this for years. Charging a Tesla is absurdly easy, you literally just plug it in. The wand even opens the charge door, it takes 2-3 seconds to plug in and it just starts charging. No payment hassles, it’s extremely rare the charger has issues, and they often put in 8 or more units at every location so they’re usually available.
I second that. I got a 2015 Model S and charging the car is even more simple than gassing up an ICE car.
I never had issues with Tesla charger. Its why I go for tesla
EA...brought to you by the people who also brought you DieselGate! Any questions????? Bahahahahaha!
VW wishes ICE would rule forever...and EVs would just go away.
Been waiting for this video. I really enjoyed it. I love road tripping my Mach-E, 700+ mile trips. You have to plan. I use ABRP mostly. I agree it's the EV golden age from the stand point of having available charging stations due to low volume. There a CP station in New Buffalo, MI with one charger. Last time I stopped there, another Mach-E had to wait 20 minutes for me to get to 80% battery. I've seen the Taycan at the dealer. Couldn't believe how low the roof is. What a sleek and gorgeous car. Roman's Tesla bias showed through, but I still loved the video. More EV road trip videos!
You mean Tommy's ANIT-Tesla bias showed. That trip would have been 5 stops and a breeze in a Tesla.
Nuff said.
@@davidc2838 😅
Imagine 5 years from now when you will not only have to wait and sit around while your car is charging, you will have to wait in line to even put the charger on your car. Really really great.
Nah. There's going to be a glut of chargers, especially non Tesla chargers. The vast majority of EV drivers charge at home. There are tons of EV owners that have never paid to use a charger or gone on a long road trip. Also 5 years from now, the average range will be closer to 500 miles than 300 miles...
Cars will depreciate like cell phones. A 5 year old EV will be utterly worthless as a trade in.
@@timothysullivan7433 the only reason to trade a car in is if you want to get ripped off.
@@TheHomeExpert5 But no one has enough cash nowadays to buy a car without financing, so good luck trying to sell private party at inflated selling prices...
@@OlJackBurton if you're selling a newer car, they can go to a bank or a credit union. I prefer to purchase cars that are at least five years old so that I don't take the depreciation hit and I usually don't sell them for at least four or five years, so by the time I sell them there at a price level where most people have the cash.
OMG, love my fellow Coloradans and your tenacity and Patience. Stay CO strong
Tesla preconditions the battery to right temperature before you get to the supercharger so always get the optimal charging. At least your enjoying your curry 😂
I can get 100 miles in 10 minutes on a 350 charger
I'm pretty sure it's the car, not the charging stations because the one charger said the car was asking for 98KW so that's what it was giving. Also if they aren't using the nav in the car it's not pre conditioning the battery for charging. So that might also be why they are getting slower charging speeds.
How much did it actually cost for the 1000 miles in charging? That would be good to know for comparing to a gas powered vehicle.
No one posts that because of how much more it costs to charge.
It cost $140,000 for the trip lol.
Yes, I wish a summation had been included of time and expense.
Sounded like about $10 per 100 miles of charge. Or about the same as a fairly efficient ICE car on the highway...
@@OlJackBurton But definitely more economical than an equivalent ICE Taycan....
Im glad you all have the time and money and patience to do that testing so we can see what life is like with that. Aside from the cost of the car, everything about the overall exp except the "fuel' cost is way to dang costly.
They should have had a Tesla.
@@davidc2838 did you even watch the video? You just blindly posting without knowing what the video was about?
"Favorite part about my $153,000 vehicle? The savings!" -20 year old trust fund kid
Was thinking the same thing. Savings in a 150k car 😂. Say it’s cool and comfortable and the chicks dig it.
Didn't even mention the torque... He's all about image.
It was funny.
We dont know he’s a trust fund kid. Potentially earned it himself.
We cool video guys! I am following your channel from Helsinki, Finland. Real life experiences is what people need. Porsche in Germany is bragging with the charging speeds, but actually that did not realize anywhere. After 3 years very happy Model S driver with free supercharging😂
is this a paid advertisement for gasoline?
They’re just so smooth and quiet that makes up for everything else
Have you even driven a plaid version model s? All of the reviews I have seen talk about the vast improvement of build quality and how nice it drives. A few have also gotten some Taycan shattering range as long as they don't keep playing with the acceleration. My point is, drive it before using it as a comparison for would ya rather senerios. ( Or at least mention you haven't actually driven it or tested the range)
Charging issues are why Tesla still has the advantage and the foresight to know how important the charging experience is.
(No I am not a Tesla owner)
that horrible charging experience causing you not able to travel with other cars.
@@dirtlint8311 no I charge at home 98% of the time. When traveling longer distances I stick to one reliable network.
What came first, the car or the gas station? If only Henry Ford built an entire network of gas stations around the US In hopes the car would take off as it did.
They should rename the car “Him-haw” or “Dilly-dally”. EV car is nice, EV fueling not so nice.
None Tesla EV fueling is not so nice*, for Tesla owners it is easier than even a gas pump for Ice vehicles.
This is why I am laugh at this push for sustainable energy and EV everything. There's so much that is so far from being even halfway convenient. I love EV's and the thoughts of more sustainable living, but Everything I see around me and in the news says we are far from that reality. The big pushers of all this stuff are planning for it by the end of this decade, But everywhere I go, I fail to see how it's going to be a reality.
Tesla is the only Viable option, and even that has limitations. Theres many places that dont even have ways to charge them outside of main routes and big cities. But I feel we are prematurely ditching the better energy system.
you guys should do the same trip at the same time with a gas car and an electric and see how much it costs and time for the two cars
Even with the proper infrastructure the time wasted charging and the issues with finding a good plugin is just not for me.
And yet, the government is pushing electric cars on us and somehow I have the feeling that the government is going to leave us holding the bag. .
Which is why Tesla are the only game in town when it comes to electric road trips. No such drama with Tesla Supercharger network. Plug in and charge, no cards, apps or other shenanigans.
Infrastructure is absolutely the biggest hurdle to widespread EV adoption.
The TSLA Supercharger network is lightyears better than these other networks. You can see, on your screen, if there are any issues with the charged or if it’s occupied. Typically, with route planning, you spend 20-40 minutes at each charger every couple of hours.
If you’re the type of roadtripper who tops off the tank and can deadhaul for hours without stopping, an EV isn’t for you. But if you’re like a lot of people who want to stretch your legs, use a restroom, grab a snack every couple of hours, it’s fine.
@@rd4660 the government always leaves us hanging
The EV charging market needs to develop service stations.
Even gasoline/diesel service stations have a roof or canopy that helps prevent rain or snow from introducing water into the fuel. The grounded canopy also protects from lightning.
Likewise, charging an EV in pouring rain, or during a thunderstorm is a reality for daily commuter vehicles. Until “fast charging” is actually fast and until weather protective charging becomes competitive with gasoline refueling with service station amenities; the average consumer isn’t going to EV in bulk for their household.
I still think a hybrid transition is more appropriate. Our family utilizes a Honda C-RV Hybrid which averages between the high 30’s to low 50’s in MPG. We get both the (non-pluggable) EV benefits without loosing the convenience of quick and efficient refueling. However, I do feel that the pluggable hybrids need to be more available just so consumers have an opportunity to adapt in newer technologies.
TFL you need to watch and read up on the car and driver EV 1000, I feel like you must have read/watched that to inspire you to make this video. The Tesla Model 3 Performance (not even the Model S Plaid) blew the doors off of the Porsche in terms of range per speed (they have a graph in 10 mph increments). Anything under 80 mph and there is a wide margin of the Tesla out-performing the Taycan 4S PBP (larger battery), and even over 80 mph it still held its edge in terms of efficiency (albeit the gap narrowed). So all the talk about the Porsche range being more realistic compared to Tesla (the current trims available) is a questionable comparison.
Tommy constantly mispronouncing Barstow and Roman constantly correcting him cracks me.up. 😂
My favorite things are the savings says the guy who spent >$150K on the car.
My 2.0L Civic (manual) would have taken $75 to make the 1000mile trip with only 1 short fillup. Nothing new, but the GenX Civic is set up for the racetrack... Could do 10 straight laps with no heat issue.
Civic hibrde brst
11:00 Typical California Stoner
"What do you like most about your $150k EV?"
"The savings!"
LOL. I was thinking the same thing. You don't buy a Porsche for the savings. He probably meant that he liked not using gas.
I know, right! If using the most expensive new Camry, the "savings" would have been 122 years worth of gasoline.
It's probably his girlfriend's parent's car.
Haha, you buy it for the performance and zero maintenance.
Lol “the saving”. Buying a $200k car and taking about the fuel saving.