Keage vs Kekomi - the difference between side SNAP kick and side THRUST kick
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- A shirt lesson on the differences (as I see teach them) between Shotokan Karate yoko geri kekomi and yoko geri keage.
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You know how to teach. You explain things well and you can show how to do them. Your moves are pretty fast and powerful. You're really good at explaining things in a simple way. Keep it up!
Excellent explanation, also I want to say on your last video with the kata bunkai analysis, I enjoy it and yes, we have too many old school senseis would say thats not the way to do it, but in all fairness, there's more than one variations in bunkai, but as long it makes sense and helps you for self-protection when the time comes, that what's important. Be safe and keep making these wonderful vids.
Thank you. Yes of course that application is just one I like to use, I just don't think the striking with the fingers is something 99% of karateka could do without injury, there are those that maybe can but for me I just like to use the version in that video. There are certainly other ideas that may be better or work just as well.
This is a perfect explanation for these kicks
As always, deep insight. Thank you, Sensei. Respect.
I've heard from former students that many get hip injuries from keage version.
Yes it's possible. The way I'm doing it here is really just like a mae geri with the foot turned inward. So it's only a normal knee extension rather than twisting it.
Yes how can the injuries be prevented
@gregoryoruko don't try to make an unnatural movement at the knee joint, the method I'm showing here has the knee point at the target and then extend the lower leg.
The knee Is just a hinge joint so no other movement is possible, it's when trying to twist it that causes these injuries
KEAGE VS KEKOMI - THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIDE SNAP KICK AND SIDE THRUST KICK
Thank you very much for video and teachings,
Long ago I got an hard injure on both knees of leg support.
It was my fault trying keeping the JKA version of Keage of keeping support leg and foot without opening movement. It took a year to recover it and it also happens with old school JKA Kicks versions.
I don't want make critic about old school JKA methods.
The injures were my fault and I learnt it the hard way.
Best wishes to all anf and blessings from Spain.
Oss!!!,🙏🏻🥋🙋🏻♂️
Thanks for the good explanation and the helpful hints 👍
Very very nice instructional. Thank you.
Excellent explanation 🥋
Fantastic!
Excellent break down of both kicks. Nice focus on what really makes them different. I also like how you related the concepts to other techniques.
Thank you 🙏
excellent and meaningful is your explanation , Mr Gardiner
Im not getting the notifications and im subscribed. Weird. I had come come see all the videos i missed. Id be paying john if i was in the UK. He is honestly so very good. I had good training but there is something different about johns technique
Good to find a younger karateka with the same qualities of the likes of Bob Poynton and Frank brennan. Excellent.
Very nice as always. I was interested to see you had trained/graded with Kawasoe and Donovan, I have many friends who have trained with them individually but not together. It sounds like a great combination!
Obrigado sensei oss
For the Yoko Geri Kaegi, I was taught to raise the hip first, then deliver the snap kick. By the way, this is a quite difficult kick to do correctly, especially for a beginner, but for some reason, it was added to Heian Nidan, one of the first katas to learn. That’s just sadistic 😀😀 It’s a very nice kick to watch, but besides using it in katas, there is very little use of it in kumite or any self defense situations.
Very nice video in explaining the difference between these 2 kicks.🙏👍
I only like to use it as a low groin kick to set up other hand techniques, but not a kumite application
Gira sempre quadril sensei treino treino oss obrigado pela ótima instrução oss
maestro veramente completo e tecnicamente molto preparato, seguo tutti i suoi video
What the difference between Back hand and/or back fist. And it's usage
Very good information
Thank you Sensei
The usual Bunkai for the Keage is derived from the stance it is executed from: the saucer and cup position means you are holding your opponent downwards by pushing with your elbow against his and locking his hand between the saucer and the cup. So he will be facing down and you can deliver the Keage which is a watered down version of the Maegeri, and you would "just" slap his face instead of hitting it in a hammer-like fashion ;-P
Yoko geri keage is used a lot in Uechi Ryu katas
great video as always ! what amazing skills you have sir ! could you give some advice for someone like me at age 44 who cant really strech legs to form 90 degree leg angle ? since 10 last years i lost my elasticity of the legs i suspect its because stress of life ect i want to repair that, please give me some advices
I'll be doing a video soon on my hip mobility, hopefully that will help
This is probably going to be a controversial opinion but as far as the kata movement goes, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was never intended to be a “side snap kick.” Hear me out:
I believe the original movement in Heian/Pinan Nidan, Yondan, as well as Kanku Dai/ Kushanku: “cup & saucer” followed by simultaneous “backfist” (I don’t think those originally existed in the kata either) and “side snap kick” is currently misunderstood because of karate’s transformation from an extremely close range self defense system into a long range competitive sport.
I’m confident that the original intention behind that kata movement was actually a representation of TWO distinct applications, i.e. plan A or plan B.
Plan A: you’ve successfully grabbed your opponent’s upper body, head, and/neck and pulled him down into an off balanced position, then you simply hook your foot around one of his legs and sweep his feet out from under him via the “snap back” portion of the kata movement
Plan B: your opponent has resisted your efforts to pull him down into the “cup & saucer” position and is able to maintain his distance from you. You have hold of him but your arm is extended hence what looks like a “backfist” when done solo in the kata. Instead of being able to hook and sweep his feet out from under him you instead do a side THRUST kick into any available target from mid section down to knee, lower leg, or just stomp his foot/ankle.
FYI, I borrowed this idea of kata giving us “Plan A” and “Plan B” from Iain Abernathy. I find it useful for interpreting some movements in various kata as well as understanding the order of some movements. I.E. don’t necessarily do this, then this, then that. But instead sometimes look at ok you can do this OR that depending on what your opponent is trying to do.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying anyone shouldn’t do side snap kicks or that anyone shouldn’t teach them. If you find them useful for modern sport competitions or you just think they’re fun and enjoy doing them then by all means please continue.
I’m just trying to say that I believe they’re a modern addition to karate because of its reinterpretation for long range competition.
Hopefully all that made sense and thanks for the video
Interesting points, yes it wasn't meant to be a side snap kick, looking at other older versions of the katas they are front kicks and some even just a knee lift.
I only use the side snap kick in application as a 45 degree kick to the groin, I wouldn't use it as a high kick as its often taught.
So nice and with all the detail! So you dont turn your hip in for keage and mostly use it shudan not yodan right?
Would love to see simple applications of Kicks, kata movements or fun karate exercices (for kids)
Thank you and Oss!
Yea I wouldn't put the hip into the keage. Only the kekomi.
I'll keep your video ideas in mind 👍
Please share your workout routine video
I'm working on it 👍
@@jkgardiner thank you sensei...i am learning kyokushin and also i do gym so it would be helpful to get a good gym workout routine to balance both
This guy is a beast. Tom muzila type
Many thanks for the video. You appear to essentially be doing a maegeri, just at a 45 degree-ish angle, kicking with the ball of the foot, right? This kick has always confused me! Shouldn't we kick with the blade of the foot instead? And to do so, this necessitates rotating the femur in the hip socket in order to get the striking foot into the position whereby the heel is higher than the toes. So in effect, the kick has 3 components, that all happen at the same time: snap leg (as you would with a maegeri, only from a 45 degree-ish angle); rotate leg to get the foot into position to strike with the blade; flick/pulse/rock hip in direction of the target. This is the way I teach it, but I've seen many people doing it your way, so I'm probably wrong! Oss
Yes in the way I do it I don't turn the hip over, its almost like an inside crescent kick, I connect with the upper part of the foot (like a 45 degree kin geri) yoko geri keage seems to be the most vague of the kicks because it's done in so many different ways and is not really one or the other. I think if you turn the hip in then it's just a kekomi with a snap, but all kicks should be rechambered or snap back shouldn't they.
Remarkable methodology. You SIr have mentioned variations of thses two kicks, But showed none of them. Letme complete it, the high kekome(trhust -ckikck stasrting aaeither as a snap kick or as a mawashigri which is then overturne d and the heel i thruset forward. Often used in Kung fur kich on head at A close distance.
In my expereience students often want to kicck a snap kick strongly and a thrust kick fast.We often remind them to be selective, if for decepion the faster but lighter snap kick and if hammering ou, down, the slower but stronger thrust kicks are to be emploeyd, say after a successful nagashi. Best regards. Paul, 68, retired instructor.
Did you watch the full video? I demonstrated the exact two versions that the title suggests.
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I believe the sound is currupted.
I think it's OK now, please let me know. Might have to repost it
@@jkgardiner Everything is OK .
@@romanzboril6984 thanks 👍
Yeah, that sounds great, thank you!
Or knee.
Osu!!!