Nathan's BMW Workshop did you see ol Scotty Kilmer is on that battery tester on a video after all the pictures of it? Haha just giving you a hard time! Appreciate your videos!
As far as I’m concerned Nathan you’re the #1 authority when it comes to anything BMW related, I can’t even express how glad I am to have found your channel, you’ve provided so much important, trust worthy information, thank you.
Nathan, I upvoted but you missed the big thing here. You see, the reason BMW made people switch is important. You can't refill AGM batteries. You can refill flooded batteries. So, what this means is, wealthy people will have to get a new BMW battery every 5 years. Poorer and smarter people can refill flooded ones with distilled water to partially restore them for another 5 years. But it isn't just BMW. It's all makes. It's global corruption.
The issue isn't the battery type. The issue is the BMW "Driving Dynamics" charging system that only charges the battery when the vehicle is coasting. It does so in the interest of squeezing every last mpg in fuel economy. If you do a lot of highway driving, your battery will last 8-10 yrs. But the vast majority of BMW owners just drive in town and the alternator isn't charging very much at all because they aren't coasting much. Blaming this battery or that battery isn't telling the full story.
This. Also, if you set your driving mode to eco pro it won't engage the alternator when coasting and it will instead hypermile to maximize fuel economy. Running the alternator cause engine brake that will slow you down and decrease your coasting distance, I noticed that when I used eco pro a lot and my battery would be often be low in charge.
It’s a known fact that AGM batteries take more abuse and last longer and cycles deeper than regular flooded, that’s why they are fitted to start stop vehicles and military vehicles . I sold my last car 5 years old with original AGM battery, a friends car is 9 years old with start stop and on original AGM. Your alternator must not be designed for AGM.
@@youuu4307 An eventual killer. A normal flooded battery won’t last under the same conditions. It also has to endure the abuse of energy recouperation. The batter is usual kept at 80% charge for most part. My AGM is now 6 years with 165,000 miles on the clock. According to diagnostics my starter has done 45,000 start/stop cycles. It’s starting to show it’s age but it’s far from failing to start the car. I estimate another 1/2 years out of the battery.
From my own experience, I did a lot of long journeys in a late '07 1 series diesel which I bought at 2 years 90k miles with original BMW AGM battery. I scrapped the car last august and the car was starting to tell me the battery was on the way out but it started just fine. So that's better than any other battery I have ever owned.
Exactly. My AGM is 10 plus years old now. Only recently on ISTA saying battery is worn out. Just went out today cold 10 degrees and the car still starts like a normal car. I'm ready to replace anytime from now and no way am I gambling to go back to normal lead acid battery. The experience has been remarkable. I don't even do highway driving and most less than 10 miles a day and most times just circling blocks looking for parking.
The battery in your E90 is a NAPA Legend. I've used those for years and had great luck with them. They'll prorate them as well. Replaced one that was 5 years old, cost me slightly over $50 to replace with another Legend.
I've had my replaced BMW AGM battery for 4.5 years on me E82. I drive about once or twice a week it's not a daily driver. Sometimes I let it sit for weeks at a time. No issues... We'll see how it goes. The battery it replaced was the original. It only lasted 115k miles and 9 years... I think the key is. I live in a warm climate. I'd rather have a more efficient battery that is lighter than an acid lead that tends to just die on you and wear out your alternator.
I've only owned my E90 328i a year but I checked the battery today after it was hesitating to start. The negative terminal is marked 48 06 which seems to indicate it's an 90Ah 900A AGM battery from 2006! I'll probably replace it with a Costco battery since I'm cheap but I have to say I'm quite impressed. This is with it being garaged and barely driven for months during the pandemic.
It might be fine for warm climate. But drop that skinny as s battery in 3d m57 or n57 diesel and survive a proper winters it might be a different story real quick. But anyway make yourself a favor and stick to the manufacturers recommendations until you have enough knowledge to make better decision on your own. Also battery reset type or and capacity should be done to have a charging curve in spec if replaced. There is integrated intelligent battery management system for a reason.
Flooded batteries are also destroyed if you run them totally flat, and its been problematic to me all my life. AGM battery is actually recommended for deep cycle situations, even if you substitute an AGM battery of slightly smaller capacity battery. My last AGM battery lasted 9 years, and it was in a sports car that is regularly left for 2 weeks without being driven or sometimes a coupe of months while I was overseas. It never had trouble starting. The lower leakage of AGM batteries is a major benefit for people in my situation. All of what you said in the video is contrary to my experience. Importantly the car requires coding for the AGM battery if you wish to retrofit, otherwise it will be damaged by over-charging.
The original AGM battery on my gf's BMW M235i lasted 9 years and 105k miles. It's an LA car so it saw plenty of short trips and stop and go. Pretty impressed
Simple flooded cell batteries have been around forever and are cheap because they work. AND can take more abuse then similar AGM batteries. But with any lead acid battery if you bring it down to 0 volts your gonna have a hard time.
Dealing with this now :( My car had a problem with the radio waking up every 10 min. The battery was less than a year old. Ruined the battery. Paid the dealership too for BMW brand with registration. Dang, now it makes so much sense.
It will be overcharging so won't last as long as it should. You need to reset the timer also when registering new battery(as well as type of battery if changing type). A new battery is charged at a different rate to an old battery. It's a brilliant, simple, variable charging system normal folk just don't seem to understand. BMW do not say you "must" use AGM,in Australia they come with Lead/Acid as standard on most common models....this is U.S dealer BS.
Your absolutely right, Walmart battery's are just fine. We use them probably every 6 to 7years years or maybe longer. Besides the majority of. Battery's are made by the same manufacturers, just the name on the the battery is different because of the company selling it..! There good battery's your right. Thanks Nathan. Keep the very useful good info. Coming..!!
wow feeling enlightened! after owning/working on BMWs since 1998... what you had described about BMW AGM batteries happened to me too many times, now I know why... Will definitely try something else, Walmart for real? I mean I don't mind give it a try and program it to the car, but I think you've made good points. Great vid!
bmw batteries last way longer than 4-5 years...Im a bmw tech never once have i replaced a 5 year old battery. On average they last 7-10years. Also im in Canada so were hard on batteries when its -25c outside.
If you don't add distilled water to your flooded battery at least four times a year, it won't last as long as the VRLA or AGM types. Same is true if you use tap water or bottled drinking water instead of distilled water or rainwater. Also, AGM batteries don't emit a corrosive fog while charging so the area around the battery doesn't become corroded. Many years ago, I saw a Mazda 626 whose frame rail crumbled, because of drippings from the battery. So each type offers some advantages, it's a question of which will do best in a particular situation. If you're the driver who doesn't like to open the hood and check things over regularly (the elites who are original BMW buyers), the AGM will likely last longer.
Have a 2004 330ci. I know for a fact that if just install another AGM battery I do not have to do any programming on any E46 prior to 2005. What I don't know is if I DO NOT go with the AGM battery does that mean I would then have to do the programming due to the change in battery type? I get a lot of misguided advise but Nathan so far you have been dead on and I trust what you say.
AGM batteries are best for cold climate and for use with gas/diesel preheater (Webasto, Eberspächer...) When it's -30 outside and you have a cheap market battery in your car... Best of luck for your start attempts.
good -straight forward instructional. I think BMW wants a BIG battery is that they have so many power robbing options like the automatic interior fan, heated seats, heated steering wheel, rear defroster, and so many more. ALSO the rear battery/long wire creates an IR drop that is killer.
Can anyone help? I have an E53 with the speedometer and odometer not working. But, it works when it way below freezing unit it’s warmed up. When it is working the speed shows about 3X the speed I’m going... same with the mileage on the odometer. I replaced all wheel speed sensors.
DjDestinyChicago I’m about the only one who knows these cars electronically and if you wasn’t a cock I would of helped you and no point asking Nathan he don’t know nothing electronically But now you can suffer it’s good to see your piece of crap is falling apart keep it up 👍 I know what this problem is right away How you might ask ? (EXPERIENCE) in electronics
Dol l no need bruda no need people already know I’m very highly skilled in the electronic side of bmw I’m way advanced above the rest and people know that but this is what happens and then you let these kind of people suffer with there issues in the hope they get rid of there car and give it to a responsible owner and then that’s them rid of 😁 that’s how you do it bro especially when most Rely on RUclips for there help lol You only help the ones that are loyal to you and your channel all the rest they can suffer and in the end the less help they get the more the car falls apart which then they sell it for next to nothing 😁 But brother don’t watch that I will help you !!
Speed sensor is the left rear abs sensor on the e53, not the right like e39, check to see if the blue connector is corroded, make sure the pins are ok and not missing there will be 2 on the car side of the plug , make sure the sensor is not Chinese , if still nothing pull the cluster and check the solder points where the middle plug plugs in, and where the speedometer attaches to the board , its very rare to have the cluster issue but then again you never know what someone has done to it before you owned it , like always without having the car here to look at these are all just possibilities
Here’s my situation, I replaced an aftermarket battery for my Mercedes 2 weeks ago, and now my car doesn’t recharge itself, so I sent my car to Mercedes to check, and they told me I have to replace an OEM battery with them, otherwise they’ll not able to check and fix my car for me. Now I have my $290cad battery sitting there doing nothing
AGM on my 2006 e90 lasted only 6yrs, it was never programmed (duralast H6 Agm) when replaced by the previous owner. Contrary to popular belief that your battery is toast if not programmed. Replaced it with H8 from walmart and programmed it, let's see how long it will last.
For several years now, my stop-start hasn't worked. Also, every winter when low temps occur, my clock & trip counter zero overnight, every night. Warmer weather, not at all. All the time, if I leave my fob key in while parked, the orange battery symbol pops up. Servicing or MOT, garages say there's no problem with it???
After looking around and researching as much as I could. There are a number of suppliers of OEM BMW. Looking at after market, there are a few that will work for my 335is. The best I found was the Odyssey 49-950 which slightly exceeded the OEM in specifications and warranty. It was a great deal on sale. Previously had moved a flooded lead acid battery to the trunk of another car and enclosed it with a Marine case. The problem with conventional lead acid batteries is they can spill and the do breathe a corrosive acidic gas in to the surrounding area. Not good for cars nor people. The AGM battery will not spill nor will it vent if one connects the supplied vent tube. In terms of cycling, there is no comparison to AGM to flooded plate lead acid. The AGM can go much deeper and recover where the flooded plate will be severely impaired or ruined. this is one reason AGM are so prevalent in Marine applications. Optima moved all their production to Mexico over a decade ago as has every other battery manufacturer other than Dekka and Oddysey. Going cheap on any battery is its own reward. You will be stranded when it is most under stress.
had an optima for about 7 years without killing it... until i accidentally ran it dead twice in one month. the 2nd time killed it. replaced it with exide agm; no regrets.
Why I bought my AGM battery from the BMW dealership: 1. It cost the same as any other parts store (maybe $10.00 more) and 2. My first battery was just replaced in my 2011 BMW 335d after 10 years!!!!!
My original 90ah BMW AGM battery lasted me 13 years in my 2008 BMW 335i e93. honestly I would say my original battery was the most reliable part of my BMW. I'm in Canada and the cheapest h8 standard flooded battery from Walmart was $229 CAD. Also Walmart doesn't sell h8 AGM battery no locations sell them here. I Also checked Canadian Tire and there cheapest h8 AGM was 310.99 CAD, the dealership was $337 CAD and bumper to bumper and Lordco Autoparts also NAPA autoparts and they were all about the same as Canadian Tire for h8 AGM. I just went with one from the dealership and saved by installing and registering the battery myself. I think if my original lasted me 13 years might as well.
And they're all old cars. Good luck with that with the later e series and f series where theres a ton more modules that have to stay up to par at all times.
Bosch AGM battery in my weekend vehicle that’s driven around 2K miles per year w/o any drama in the Northeastern section! Furthermore, the vehicle is not even being used during the winter months either!
The first time my battery was on the fritz it wasn’t exactly obvious, the car would start no problem but if you drove 10 minuets, stoped to go to the bank or somewhere quick, when you went to restart the car bang nothing would happen. Brought the car back to Ralley BMW L.I., NY because the car was still under warranty, long story short they fixed a unrelated issue that was according to them $5,600.00 work, something transmission related I believe but it was covered under warranty so I only paid the $500 deductible, but they also said the reason for the car not starting all the time was the battery (I only had the car for 2 years at that point, bought used 2008 550i, purchased in 2013), dudes banged me for $600 just for the battery + installation, WTF!!!! So in all I paid $1,000 to get my car back, I swear I almost told them to take the battery out and I’d show up there with my own, needless to say I’ve never gone back to them for ANYTHING, plus my 3 year extended warranty was eventually up so I’m definitely never going back there. I’ve got a great indie shop that’s just blocks from my house walking distance, super fair prices, slow service but unbeatable prices and I’m very pleased with the work he’s done so far. I’m a Union 638 HVAC mechanic of 19 years and I’d love to do some of the work myself on the car but I simply just don’t have the time, kind of sucks because I love fixing things.
oem 8yrs strong. 2014 my OEM f10 BMW M528i has vented pressure tube line from battery. 82% resting here now JUST 10min Schumacher charge in standard mode 90% climbing. OEM BMW I'm SOLD
I've purchased a new batt for 300$ for my bimmer replace once and the 2nd one did the same just didn't last pure crap forsure of it a cheap one from Wal-Mart still going strong even after 4 almost 5 years!
My 2012 BMW 528 I xdrive noticed battery light on husband an I checked Date on original agm battery made in Germany Date is 43rd week of 2011. That is exactly 10 years old. Still start no problem. Would 10 years is very good.my 2016 Nissan Altima replaced battery in 3 years, left me stranded with no warning.
Nathan what you think about 1983 BMW 733I that needs an wiring harness. But my current 2001 BMW 740il has been sitting in my garage for four years i overheated the engine and i need a new battery and a starter and alternator.
everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but i have had exact opposite experiences to the ones portrayed by this individual. many bmw's will not function properly with a regular battery. its not conspiracy, important things like your steering wheel will no longer unlock and worst case scenerio : your ignition will not get power and the car will not start. it happens quite often.
My car came with stop start tech and fitted with a AGM battery. The stop start has operated a lot of times over the last 3 years and 90k. That’s a lot of abuse and the battery is still ok.
I just recently picked up a 2006 330i that had been sitting for about a year the battery was dead as a hammer. Is it possible to charge the AGM type? New BMW owner and subscriber glad I found you!!!
@@louis-vincentnadeau3466 at this point I haven't done anything been busy with other things. I leaning towards a simple walmart battery! It's tje reprogramming thing that has me confused.
On my bmw V8 smg gearbox 4.4 you'll need good big factory agm battery. SMG pump always priming to keep hydraulic pressure. Yes I've use old Walmart H9 but didnt last. You'll need to registered new battery thru BMW workshop software its easy..
I buy all my fluids and batteries at Walmart. You are insane if you don't. There Supertech filters are also better than many high price name brand. And if you ever put a Fram oil filter on anything you own just give up mechanics
Can you do a step by step guide on how to program the new battery you've replaced in your vehicle as you mention should be done if you do switch battery types? Thanks in Advance
AGM aside, the start/stop is probably a great option for lease vehicles, you can save a few drops of gas, at the expense of unnecessary extra engine wear (that they don't have to care about cuz they'll be dumping the car in 2/3 years). Personally I leave it off, don't like that noticeable delay in 'go'.
Nathan. This is insightful. However what about the latest models like X5 F15. They seem to have a lot of electronics and there are some scary comments out there on the internet that local lead acid battery would fry the electronics. I find it hard to believe. Have you seen success on these models ? In the USA AGM is relatively cheaper but in Asian countries these AGM are costing close to $800 and it’s a rip off. Customers pay because they are scared to brick the modules. What’s the real truth ?
Did you have the IBS on your battery where you had to register? Or you just put it in the car? I dont have ibs so i saw a video where theres no coding needed. My battery current 48/H6 CA 910 Ah 70, CCA 730...Do I get same stats
I have a 750i and the battery is 2 1/2 years old and it keeps have increased battery discharge and lots of malfunctions and chasis malfunction and transmission malfunction from the bad battery. Can you give me some advice. I will go and buy a battery
My BMW E60 has a Start-Stop button only, so not the actually module to stop the car at red light. Do i need AGM or WET one? I can also say that i am making short journeys like 15miles to work and 15miles back home/ 4 days a week. Any advice, which battery to choose?
I have a 2001 bmw 740il... I did what they called was a power drain of the car I touch the positive and negative cables no battery hooked up I got a new battery I had a flooded battery AutoZone battery in the car before but I got a new battery and now for some reason the Vault light comes on when I'm in gear or I put items on they go down to like 13.4% * into 12 point something if you put everything on but when you're given gas if I put it into park it goes back up to 13.914 volts after I shut everything off but it wasn't doing that with my old battery do I have to reset the car somehow I don't know if it's on this older model thank
The reason that BMW wants you to put their AGM battery in their car is liability, not to money (specifically). they're not going to cover a 15 year old wet cell that puked in the battery well. I have run an Optima AGM (yellow) and I love them, never had a problem, but yes I drive my vehicles weekly.
Hello, I don’t care how much that battery cost. I love my 08 x5 sport. It’s luxurious. It’s the cost of owning lol. Thanks for the this video. We are BMW owners. Thats life.
With batteries you’re paying for the warranty, the 50$ Walmart batteries are fine, and they have a 1 year warranty on them, all you gotta do is look at the dates to make sure you’re not getting an old one, as for agm vs. FLA I’ve seen no real difference in their life span, it’s all about how you take care of them, if you don’t drive but once a week or every other week, jnvest in a tender, this is how you get ten years out of a battery
just installed a regular 95.00 $ Wallmart battery on my 2019 740e XDrive. it was sitting in garage for 6 weeks and it drained the battery. Ive got it to start after plug it in to 240V charger overnight . It never fully charged this battery again . I had it on charger whole night and it has stopped taking charge , How can this happen ? battery warning light was on after 1 hr of driving . Looks like I've got only 2 yr out of original battery ? My 2017 Navigator started right up ... This thing/740e/, was dead . With Wallmart battery installed I drove over 900 miles and no problem at all . PS New battery for this vehicle is $ 369.99 plus TAX. Thanks for advice , Greatly appreciate it !
If I bring it to a shop that install an aftermarket battery like an interstate AMG battery and they will reprogram will I run into any issuess down the road? Thanks in advance! New sub.
Nathan, I agree with what you said but even the Walmart batteries are getting expensive. The last several batteries I've bought, whether the H7/H8 for the X5 or the specified batteries for an Xterra or even Toyota little cars are closer to $100. Do you mean a different battery than what Walmart usually specifies for the specific vehicle?
Im lucky enough to live down the street from a battery warehouse 😁 , got an exide for 70 bucks , it has no issues so far , but ive only owned the car for 3 weeks or so , (e36 328ic)
Walmart Maxx Batteries are the best! They are made by Johnson Controls, a company that makes over 50% of the batteries on the market and sold under many brand names. I've been using them for years in Mercedes, BMW, Corvette, Ford cars etc. Lead Acid batteries are fine. Don't believe the AGM Hype! Just my 2 cents. Also, educate yourself about oils and fluids. You don't have to use "dealer fluid" unless you want to overpay 3x over. Like Nathan says "Educate yourself and spend wisely!"
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Nathan's BMW Workshop did you see ol Scotty Kilmer is on that battery tester on a video after all the pictures of it? Haha just giving you a hard time! Appreciate your videos!
As far as I’m concerned Nathan you’re the #1 authority when it comes to anything BMW related, I can’t even express how glad I am to have found your channel, you’ve provided so much important, trust worthy information, thank you.
Nathan, I upvoted but you missed the big thing here. You see, the reason BMW made people switch is important. You can't refill AGM batteries. You can refill flooded batteries. So, what this means is, wealthy people will have to get a new BMW battery every 5 years. Poorer and smarter people can refill flooded ones with distilled water to partially restore them for another 5 years. But it isn't just BMW. It's all makes. It's global corruption.
The issue isn't the battery type. The issue is the BMW "Driving Dynamics" charging system that only charges the battery when the vehicle is coasting. It does so in the interest of squeezing every last mpg in fuel economy. If you do a lot of highway driving, your battery will last 8-10 yrs. But the vast majority of BMW owners just drive in town and the alternator isn't charging very much at all because they aren't coasting much.
Blaming this battery or that battery isn't telling the full story.
This. Also, if you set your driving mode to eco pro it won't engage the alternator when coasting and it will instead hypermile to maximize fuel economy. Running the alternator cause engine brake that will slow you down and decrease your coasting distance, I noticed that when I used eco pro a lot and my battery would be often be low in charge.
It’s a known fact that AGM batteries take more abuse and last longer and cycles deeper than regular flooded, that’s why they are fitted to start stop vehicles and military vehicles . I sold my last car 5 years old with original AGM battery, a friends car is 9 years old with start stop and on original AGM. Your alternator must not be designed for AGM.
My battery AGM original Mercedes is dead after 4 years; The start and stop is the killer of AGM battery
@@youuu4307 An eventual killer. A normal flooded battery won’t last under the same conditions. It also has to endure the abuse of energy recouperation. The batter is usual kept at 80% charge for most part. My AGM is now 6 years with 165,000 miles on the clock. According to diagnostics my starter has done 45,000 start/stop cycles. It’s starting to show it’s age but it’s far from failing to start the car. I estimate another 1/2 years out of the battery.
@@Mickytdi You know how to treat it well, I use the motorcycle a lot in the summer, this fact has not helped to make it last much longer i guess
From my own experience, I did a lot of long journeys in a late '07 1 series diesel which I bought at 2 years 90k miles with original BMW AGM battery. I scrapped the car last august and the car was starting to tell me the battery was on the way out but it started just fine. So that's better than any other battery I have ever owned.
Exactly.
My AGM is 10 plus years old now. Only recently on ISTA saying battery is worn out. Just went out today cold 10 degrees and the car still starts like a normal car. I'm ready to replace anytime from now and no way am I gambling to go back to normal lead acid battery. The experience has been remarkable. I don't even do highway driving and most less than 10 miles a day and most times just circling blocks looking for parking.
I am using EXIDE AGM Battery 95 Ah. Still hodling 13-13,1V after 4-5 years of use. Optima red top is crap. yellow top are better. :)
yellow optima +$70 over red.
price of new chinazone 800cc
The battery in your E90 is a NAPA Legend. I've used those for years and had great luck with them. They'll prorate them as well. Replaced one that was 5 years old, cost me slightly over $50 to replace with another Legend.
I've had my replaced BMW AGM battery for 4.5 years on me E82. I drive about once or twice a week it's not a daily driver. Sometimes I let it sit for weeks at a time. No issues... We'll see how it goes. The battery it replaced was the original. It only lasted 115k miles and 9 years... I think the key is. I live in a warm climate. I'd rather have a more efficient battery that is lighter than an acid lead that tends to just die on you and wear out your alternator.
I've only owned my E90 328i a year but I checked the battery today after it was hesitating to start. The negative terminal is marked 48 06 which seems to indicate it's an 90Ah 900A AGM battery from 2006! I'll probably replace it with a Costco battery since I'm cheap but I have to say I'm quite impressed. This is with it being garaged and barely driven for months during the pandemic.
It might be fine for warm climate. But drop that skinny as s battery in 3d m57 or n57 diesel and survive a proper winters it might be a different story real quick.
But anyway make yourself a favor and stick to the manufacturers recommendations until you have enough knowledge to make better decision on your own. Also battery reset type or and capacity should be done to have a charging curve in spec if replaced.
There is integrated intelligent battery management system for a reason.
Flooded batteries are also destroyed if you run them totally flat, and its been problematic to me all my life. AGM battery is actually recommended for deep cycle situations, even if you substitute an AGM battery of slightly smaller capacity battery. My last AGM battery lasted 9 years, and it was in a sports car that is regularly left for 2 weeks without being driven or sometimes a coupe of months while I was overseas. It never had trouble starting. The lower leakage of AGM batteries is a major benefit for people in my situation. All of what you said in the video is contrary to my experience. Importantly the car requires coding for the AGM battery if you wish to retrofit, otherwise it will be damaged by over-charging.
The original AGM battery on my gf's BMW M235i lasted 9 years and 105k miles. It's an LA car so it saw plenty of short trips and stop and go. Pretty impressed
Simple flooded cell batteries have been around forever and are cheap because they work. AND can take more abuse then similar AGM batteries. But with any lead acid battery if you bring it down to 0 volts your gonna have a hard time.
Outstanding Job, thanks I have a E90 330i and purchased those Floormats and they work GR8. Thanks again for the post and clarity.
Where can I get these floor mats please?
My BMW AGM battery in my 2011 X3 has been going on still for more than 9 years now! Beat that!
Well ye cuz u use the car a lot it’s getting charged
Dealing with this now :(
My car had a problem with the radio waking up every 10 min. The battery was less than a year old. Ruined the battery. Paid the dealership too for BMW brand with registration. Dang, now it makes so much sense.
I got a Bosch battery from Pepboys and threw it in my E60 with no re-programming and it seems to like it just fine.
It will be overcharging so won't last as long as it should. You need to reset the timer also when registering new battery(as well as type of battery if changing type). A new battery is charged at a different rate to an old battery. It's a brilliant, simple, variable charging system normal folk just don't seem to understand. BMW do not say you "must" use AGM,in Australia they come with Lead/Acid as standard on most common models....this is U.S dealer BS.
When you start having a bunch of electrical issues dont think about the battery.
@@tyronemunguia Been a few years with no issues.
mine lasted 4 years. long crank, 12.34 amps, and drops to 8vlts when I crank it
BMW requires AGM batteries because of BMW's charging strategy. Look it up in the manual.
Therefore you need to code it. Just register is not enough.
Have the same battery in my 2012 bmw 328i and still working fine. 10 years plus.
Your absolutely right, Walmart battery's are just fine. We use them probably every 6 to 7years years or maybe longer. Besides the majority of. Battery's are made by the same manufacturers, just the name on the the battery is different because of the company selling it..! There good battery's your right. Thanks Nathan. Keep the very useful good info. Coming..!!
wow feeling enlightened! after owning/working on BMWs since 1998... what you had described about BMW AGM batteries happened to me too many times, now I know why... Will definitely try something else, Walmart for real? I mean I don't mind give it a try and program it to the car, but I think you've made good points. Great vid!
Which battery from Walmart? My neighbors kid has an 07 X3 that I just helped jump start.
bmw batteries last way longer than 4-5 years...Im a bmw tech never once have i replaced a 5 year old battery. On average they last 7-10years. Also im in Canada so were hard on batteries when its -25c outside.
If you don't add distilled water to your flooded battery at least four times a year, it won't last as long as the VRLA or AGM types. Same is true if you use tap water or bottled drinking water instead of distilled water or rainwater. Also, AGM batteries don't emit a corrosive fog while charging so the area around the battery doesn't become corroded. Many years ago, I saw a Mazda 626 whose frame rail crumbled, because of drippings from the battery. So each type offers some advantages, it's a question of which will do best in a particular situation. If you're the driver who doesn't like to open the hood and check things over regularly (the elites who are original BMW buyers), the AGM will likely last longer.
Have a 2004 330ci. I know for a fact that if just install another AGM battery I do not have to do any programming on any E46 prior to 2005. What I don't know is if I DO NOT go with the AGM battery does that mean I would then have to do the programming due to the change in battery type? I get a lot of misguided advise but Nathan so far you have been dead on and I trust what you say.
AGM batteries are best for cold climate and for use with gas/diesel preheater (Webasto, Eberspächer...) When it's -30 outside and you have a cheap market battery in your car... Best of luck for your start attempts.
What about my M4 / F82? It has some crazy expensive ($1300) Lithium ion battery.
good -straight forward instructional.
I think BMW wants a BIG battery is that they have so many power robbing options like the automatic interior fan, heated seats, heated steering wheel, rear defroster, and so many more.
ALSO the rear battery/long wire creates an IR drop that is killer.
I think BMW defines the whole of North America as one market and therefore the battery recommendations are the same in Alabama as in Alaska?
yup! THis is the same Battery I've been using for years. Just kept it to myself
Can anyone help? I have an E53 with the speedometer and odometer not working. But, it works when it way below freezing unit it’s warmed up. When it is working the speed shows about 3X the speed I’m going... same with the mileage on the odometer. I replaced all wheel speed sensors.
DjDestinyChicago I’m about the only one who knows these cars electronically and if you wasn’t a cock I would of helped you and no point asking Nathan he don’t know nothing electronically
But now you can suffer it’s good to see your piece of crap is falling apart keep it up 👍
I know what this problem is right away
How you might ask ? (EXPERIENCE) in electronics
@@BMWDoctor lol...gotta love you
Dol l no need bruda no need people already know I’m very highly skilled in the electronic side of bmw I’m way advanced above the rest and people know that but this is what happens and then you let these kind of people suffer with there issues in the hope they get rid of there car and give it to a responsible owner and then that’s them rid of 😁 that’s how you do it bro especially when most Rely on RUclips for there help lol
You only help the ones that are loyal to you and your channel all the rest they can suffer and in the end the less help they get the more the car falls apart which then they sell it for next to nothing 😁
But brother don’t watch that I will help you !!
BMW Doctor 😂😂😂
Speed sensor is the left rear abs sensor on the e53, not the right like e39, check to see if the blue connector is corroded, make sure the pins are ok and not missing there will be 2 on the car side of the plug , make sure the sensor is not Chinese , if still nothing pull the cluster and check the solder points where the middle plug plugs in, and where the speedometer attaches to the board , its very rare to have the cluster issue but then again you never know what someone has done to it before you owned it , like always without having the car here to look at these are all just possibilities
I agree 100% with you SIR!!! Being watching your work, Keep up!!!
Here’s my situation, I replaced an aftermarket battery for my Mercedes 2 weeks ago, and now my car doesn’t recharge itself, so I sent my car to Mercedes to check, and they told me I have to replace an OEM battery with them, otherwise they’ll not able to check and fix my car for me. Now I have my $290cad battery sitting there doing nothing
AGM on my 2006 e90 lasted only 6yrs, it was never programmed (duralast H6 Agm) when replaced by the previous owner. Contrary to popular belief that your battery is toast if not programmed. Replaced it with H8 from walmart and programmed it, let's see how long it will last.
Is it still going?
I thought agm batteries are deep cycle, i think they are specified for cars with stop/start
For several years now, my stop-start hasn't worked. Also, every winter when low temps occur, my clock & trip counter zero overnight, every night. Warmer weather, not at all.
All the time, if I leave my fob key in while parked, the orange battery symbol pops up. Servicing or MOT, garages say there's no problem with it???
After looking around and researching as much as I could. There are a number of suppliers of OEM BMW. Looking at after market, there are a few that will work for my 335is. The best I found was the Odyssey 49-950 which slightly exceeded the OEM in specifications and warranty. It was a great deal on sale.
Previously had moved a flooded lead acid battery to the trunk of another car and enclosed it with a Marine case. The problem with conventional lead acid batteries is they can spill and the do breathe a corrosive acidic gas in to the surrounding area. Not good for cars nor people. The AGM battery will not spill nor will it vent if one connects the supplied vent tube. In terms of cycling, there is no comparison to AGM to flooded plate lead acid. The AGM can go much deeper and recover where the flooded plate will be severely impaired or ruined. this is one reason AGM are so prevalent in Marine applications.
Optima moved all their production to Mexico over a decade ago as has every other battery manufacturer other than Dekka and Oddysey.
Going cheap on any battery is its own reward. You will be stranded when it is most under stress.
had an optima for about 7 years without killing it... until i accidentally ran it dead twice in one month. the 2nd time killed it. replaced it with exide agm; no regrets.
Why I bought my AGM battery from the BMW dealership: 1. It cost the same as any other parts store (maybe $10.00 more) and 2. My first battery was just replaced in my 2011 BMW 335d after 10 years!!!!!
My original 90ah BMW AGM battery lasted me 13 years in my 2008 BMW 335i e93. honestly I would say my original battery was the most reliable part of my BMW. I'm in Canada and the cheapest h8 standard flooded battery from Walmart was $229 CAD. Also Walmart doesn't sell h8 AGM battery no locations sell them here. I Also checked Canadian Tire and there cheapest h8 AGM was 310.99 CAD, the dealership was $337 CAD and bumper to bumper and Lordco Autoparts also NAPA autoparts and they were all about the same as Canadian Tire for h8 AGM. I just went with one from the dealership and saved by installing and registering the battery myself. I think if my original lasted me 13 years might as well.
Great video that's why I've subscribed
my AGM battery already lasted me 10 years and strong, still using it.
Beware we usually get 3 years at the most , once the car runs it dead 1 time that will
Be it ,or cold weather will take it out
I think walmart batteries are the best. I do agree 100 percent with you Nate
I have lead acid batteries in all of my BMWs for the last 21 yrs - E28, E30, E34, E53 & E39 - no issues what so ever..
lead acid on my e39 lasted 8 years, so the original lasted only 6yrs.
And they're all old cars. Good luck with that with the later e series and f series where theres a ton more modules that have to stay up to par at all times.
Right on Nathan ! Had priced a walmart for my M3 06 around 110 ! did the upgrade at my Indy 150 ,so next time Wally World !!!
Bosch AGM battery in my weekend vehicle that’s driven around 2K miles per year w/o any drama in the Northeastern section! Furthermore, the vehicle is not even being used during the winter months either!
The first time my battery was on the fritz it wasn’t exactly obvious, the car would start no problem but if you drove 10 minuets, stoped to go to the bank or somewhere quick, when you went to restart the car bang nothing would happen. Brought the car back to Ralley BMW L.I., NY because the car was still under warranty, long story short they fixed a unrelated issue that was according to them $5,600.00 work, something transmission related I believe but it was covered under warranty so I only paid the $500 deductible, but they also said the reason for the car not starting all the time was the battery (I only had the car for 2 years at that point, bought used 2008 550i, purchased in 2013), dudes banged me for $600 just for the battery + installation, WTF!!!! So in all I paid $1,000 to get my car back, I swear I almost told them to take the battery out and I’d show up there with my own, needless to say I’ve never gone back to them for ANYTHING, plus my 3 year extended warranty was eventually up so I’m definitely never going back there. I’ve got a great indie shop that’s just blocks from my house walking distance, super fair prices, slow service but unbeatable prices and I’m very pleased with the work he’s done so far. I’m a Union 638 HVAC mechanic of 19 years and I’d love to do some of the work myself on the car but I simply just don’t have the time, kind of sucks because I love fixing things.
oem 8yrs strong.
2014 my OEM f10 BMW M528i has vented pressure tube line from battery. 82% resting here now JUST
10min Schumacher charge in standard mode 90% climbing.
OEM BMW
I'm SOLD
I've purchased a new batt for 300$ for my bimmer replace once and the 2nd one did the same just didn't last pure crap forsure of it a cheap one from Wal-Mart still going strong even after 4 almost 5 years!
My BMW stop start AGM battery lasted 7 years, I had it changed because I knew 7 years was too long, I have a 2l diesel
My 2012 BMW 528 I xdrive noticed battery light on husband an I checked Date on original agm battery made in Germany Date is 43rd week of 2011. That is exactly 10 years old. Still start no problem. Would 10 years is very good.my 2016 Nissan Altima replaced battery in 3 years, left me stranded with no warning.
Nathan what you think about 1983 BMW 733I that needs an wiring harness. But my current 2001 BMW 740il has been sitting in my garage for four years i overheated the engine and i need a new battery and a starter and alternator.
Walmart battery finder states to use $150 Everstart MAXX-H7 for 2002 BMW 330i - Is there a cheaper option?
I own a E90 325i and use the Walmart Everstart Maxx H-6 battery, The price is $119
everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but i have had exact opposite experiences to the ones portrayed by this individual. many bmw's will not function properly with a regular battery. its not conspiracy, important things like your steering wheel will no longer unlock and worst case scenerio : your ignition will not get power and the car will not start. it happens quite often.
My car came with stop start tech and fitted with a AGM battery. The stop start has operated a lot of times over the last 3 years and 90k. That’s a lot of abuse and the battery is still ok.
Well spoken, the old saying 'work smarter not harder' comes to mind.
I just recently picked up a 2006 330i that had been sitting for about a year the battery was dead as a hammer. Is it possible to charge the AGM type? New BMW owner and subscriber glad I found you!!!
Have you gone for a Walmart one or you stayed with AGM ?
@@louis-vincentnadeau3466 at this point I haven't done anything been busy with other things. I leaning towards a simple walmart battery! It's tje reprogramming thing that has me confused.
Good video Nathan! I agree with you 100% as long as you register the battery with Ista and tell the ECU the battery type you will be completely fine!
On my bmw V8 smg gearbox 4.4 you'll need good big factory agm battery. SMG pump always priming to keep hydraulic pressure. Yes I've use old Walmart H9 but didnt last. You'll need to registered new battery thru BMW workshop software its easy..
What group size is that battery for $50? The Everstart size H8 is $119.
Prob the small ones
You need to maintain them... Top off the distilled water.
I buy all my fluids and batteries at Walmart. You are insane if you don't. There Supertech filters are also better than many high price name brand. And if you ever put a Fram oil filter on anything you own just give up mechanics
I get Mann filers off amazon for around $5, I agree on the oil, why spend extra money for the exact same oil somewhere else
Thanks Nate
I had bmw AGM battery worked 6 years no problem....
Can you do a step by step guide on how to program the new battery you've replaced in your vehicle as you mention should be done if you do switch battery types? Thanks in Advance
It's simple. Use a carly adapter . Simple
I hear nothing about newer models with a start/stop-system. Offcourse a old model doesn't need a AGM.
AGM aside, the start/stop is probably a great option for lease vehicles, you can save a few drops of gas, at the expense of unnecessary extra engine wear (that they don't have to care about cuz they'll be dumping the car in 2/3 years). Personally I leave it off, don't like that noticeable delay in 'go'.
Excellent video Nathan 👍Happy new year!!
Doesnt Bosch make the BMW oem battery? Also does Bosch make good batteries for BMW?
Bosch does not manufacture batteries. Bosch and BMW batteries are manufactured by Varta.
peto22 ok @peto22 is Varta for E90’s good?
@@bmw.source One of the best.
Nathan. This is insightful. However what about the latest models like X5 F15. They seem to have a lot of electronics and there are some scary comments out there on the internet that local lead acid battery would fry the electronics. I find it hard to believe. Have you seen success on these models ? In the USA AGM is relatively cheaper but in Asian countries these AGM are costing close to $800 and it’s a rip off. Customers pay because they are scared to brick the modules. What’s the real truth ?
Thanks bro u smart I did the same thing use your brain it's helpful
I was about to ask a question about my 525i bit I seen you havnt responded to a lot of these questions. So I guess I'll keep watching other videos
I got my X3 battery at Home Depot. 900 C/A and it's an H8 big boy. Freaking awesome. $119
Did you have the IBS on your battery where you had to register? Or you just put it in the car? I dont have ibs so i saw a video where theres no coding needed. My battery current 48/H6 CA 910 Ah 70, CCA 730...Do I get same stats
can you tell the car it has a acid battery with the carly plug in?
I have a 750i and the battery is 2 1/2 years old and it keeps have increased battery discharge and lots of malfunctions and chasis malfunction and transmission malfunction from the bad battery. Can you give me some advice. I will go and buy a battery
If you're going with the Walmart battery, at least get the higher model Maxx line.
AGM battery is used in cars with start stop systems. If you don't have start stop you don't need AGM. Simple as that.
My BMW E60 has a Start-Stop button only, so not the actually module to stop the car at red light. Do i need AGM or WET one? I can also say that i am making short journeys like 15miles to work and 15miles back home/ 4 days a week. Any advice, which battery to choose?
I have a 2001 bmw 740il... I did what they called was a power drain of the car I touch the positive and negative cables no battery hooked up I got a new battery I had a flooded battery AutoZone battery in the car before but I got a new battery and now for some reason the Vault light comes on when I'm in gear or I put items on they go down to like 13.4% * into 12 point something if you put everything on but when you're given gas if I put it into park it goes back up to 13.914 volts after I shut everything off but it wasn't doing that with my old battery do I have to reset the car somehow I don't know if it's on this older model thank
Good advice brother. Awesome RUclips channel !
The reason that BMW wants you to put their AGM battery in their car is liability, not to money (specifically). they're not going to cover a 15 year old wet cell that puked in the battery well. I have run an Optima AGM (yellow) and I love them, never had a problem, but yes I drive my vehicles weekly.
Hello, I don’t care how much that battery cost. I love my 08 x5 sport. It’s luxurious. It’s the cost of owning lol. Thanks for the this video. We are BMW owners. Thats life.
With batteries you’re paying for the warranty, the 50$ Walmart batteries are fine, and they have a 1 year warranty on them, all you gotta do is look at the dates to make sure you’re not getting an old one, as for agm vs. FLA I’ve seen no real difference in their life span, it’s all about how you take care of them, if you don’t drive but once a week or every other week, jnvest in a tender, this is how you get ten years out of a battery
In a 2018 mazda3 with the 2.5L engine can I used a AGM Battery instead a flooded battery
just installed a regular 95.00 $ Wallmart battery on my 2019 740e XDrive.
it was sitting in garage for 6 weeks and it drained the battery. Ive got it to start after plug it in to 240V charger overnight .
It never fully charged this battery again . I had it on charger whole night and it has stopped taking charge , How can this happen ? battery warning light was on after 1 hr of driving .
Looks like I've got only 2 yr out of original battery ?
My 2017 Navigator started right up ... This thing/740e/, was dead .
With Wallmart battery installed I drove over 900 miles and no problem at all .
PS New battery for this vehicle is $ 369.99 plus TAX.
Thanks for advice , Greatly appreciate it !
So what battery should I get for 2003 BMW X5 4.4i?
The $50 Walmart battery
Nathan's BMW Workshop what battery would it be called
my agm for my e90 is new add always has to be charged I'm returning to acid lead
AGM batteries are for cars with brake regen. You will cook your alternator with any other battery. No conspiracy
But you can get AGM battery with like 5 years warranty
If I bring it to a shop that install an aftermarket battery like an interstate AMG battery and they will reprogram will I run into any issuess down the road? Thanks in advance! New sub.
Advance auto batteries last 3 years. The platinum AGM ones that cost 200.00. I wonder if you have to program a Mercedes to use a lead acid?
Nathan, I agree with what you said but even the Walmart batteries are getting expensive. The last several batteries I've bought, whether the H7/H8 for the X5 or the specified batteries for an Xterra or even Toyota little cars are closer to $100. Do you mean a different battery than what Walmart usually specifies for the specific vehicle?
Are all BMW batteries AGM?
Shane Sexton no
How do I install a irregular 730 cold cranking diehard battery e90 2010
What battery should I get for my 2002 745i ?
If you live in cold climate, then Varta Silver Dynamic AGM 595 901 085 or if not, Varta Silver Dynamic 600 402 083
I’ve been running duralast playinum and it lasts about 3 years.
This is the flat out TRUTH.
Guys, listen, go to Doctor Dean, and get ISTA. Now.
A BMW OE battery (92ah 850cca) was better priced than an aftermarket battery like NAPA etc.
Oem here is about $250 , a regular battery is $59
My 325ci convertible needs agm battery cos of vibration! Bmw say flooded battery will fail quickly! Stuart
The silver calcium ones are vibration resistant
Im lucky enough to live down the street from a battery warehouse 😁 , got an exide for 70 bucks , it has no issues so far , but ive only owned the car for 3 weeks or so , (e36 328ic)
Walmart Maxx Batteries are the best! They are made by Johnson Controls, a company that makes over 50% of the batteries on the market and sold under many brand names. I've been using them for years in Mercedes, BMW, Corvette, Ford cars etc. Lead Acid batteries are fine. Don't believe the AGM Hype! Just my 2 cents. Also, educate yourself about oils and fluids. You don't have to use "dealer fluid" unless you want to overpay 3x over. Like Nathan says "Educate yourself and spend wisely!"
Which Walmart battery are you talking about Nate.
So you’re saying I can put a 50 dollar Walmart battery in my 2014 x 1 28 I? How do I register the battery with the system?
Where did you get your rubber floor mats from? Website??
Oem from amazon
@@NathansBMWWorkshop ok thanks just got an x1 for my wife and it didnt come with the rubber mats. Thanks Nathan