@@wonzeur just because I’m calling out the downsides of debuting so young…doesn’t mean I’m jealous. Being an idol isn’t something I’d ever want to be 😭 learn to use your brain and think instead of leaving a dumb comment on my video. Don’t pmo right now
You really can't understand the concept of caring for literal children? Many celebrities that became famous at a young age have spoken up about how horrible and abusive it was, there's a reason why there's this idea of 'celebrity age' where they stop aging mentally at a normal rate when they become famous... Of course people can both want to be famous themselves AND condemn exposing minors to an extremely toxic, harmful industry.
the only thing im "jealous" of is that she got in without having to do very much just yet, other than that we do not care that we are not being used like that at that age for the perversion of older men which is who would be following such a group lbr otherwise they never seem to promote kid friendly groups for kids do they?
because it forces them to feel guilty about supporting the exploration of children. The people hating are the people guilty of making the abuse profitable... It's always take accountability until they have to look at their own actions
I’m BEGGING for ppl to stop supporting groups with mostly minors. Stop buying their albums, stop streaming their music, stop engaging with their content. You’re sending the message to companies that they should debut kids. I get that they’re probably not gonna stop debuting older kids unless theres a law put in place, but no group should debut where the OLDEST member is a minor.
Real!! I wourl love if idols debuted at least 18 or turning 18 like that year ot smth but somebody who is like 13 ? Hell no , Seowon losing her baby tooth thats wild like no way! And omg i saw smth about a group of 2010-2012 liners debuting... So 12-14 years olds... That's insane.
thats a crazy ass age. nope thats where i draw the line even enhypen for example i want to like them but i find them too young and too immature that i rather just stay away from these groups so please tell me which grown adults would actually stay away from an easily manipulated 12 yo whos basically a toddler still... none of them. its disgusting but im so glad i wasnt doing what she has to do at her age yet i feel bad that she has to do what she is doing at her age
@@randomuser-nt9if No fr I feel like groups like full of teenagers twenty year olds don't feel so extremely young to me bc I'm a teen myself so I'm quite young but like For the industry it would be great if it was just adults debuting but yeah and same I'm so glad at the age of 12 i was doing normal things for that age like getting an education
@@0CHAR12CHAR3 i know and at my age it is just rather uncomfortable to know adults are comfortable debuting toddlers in idol groups. i cant fathom it really even if she had the choice to say no thanks id have said no there and then but i guess that lifestyle looks glamourous and has been so nornalised for some time yet its still an overly controlling image based style of performances so she will probably wind up regretting it later on. especially if she eventually want a relationship but yh mad times innit? also older idols barely are held responsible for their behaviours cause ppl baby and coddle them so they get away with all sorts of stuff
But her fans will go to hell and back insisting the company is the gold standard and therefore it's okay. Hot take any company willing to debut a pre-teen is inherently not a good company.
@@Stay_Zerose yeah and its an ageist system they are in why wont they debut someone my age? whys it always got to be someone young and pure and who can be manipulated or used for grown men perversions? why cant it be someone genuinely cool and mature?
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 ikr sometimes i do pity them ngl but at the same time im like im glad that was not me doing that at that age. i dont know how its got so ageist that they are barely debuting late 20s early 30s in idol groups either is there smth wrong with my generation or is it just that we arent easily manipulated not like someone that age? but also why would i want to be manipulated anyway? i really dont get the appeal of them wanting or needing to debut that age at least let them mature a tad?
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 but i also dont get marketing of it, if they debut them so young nowadays who is realistically going to gaf about a group that age with minors other than pedophiles and creepy grown adults / boomer groomers. what sort of twisted mind allows this to actually happen because u know deep down they be doing some freaky ass shit in order to debut
We shouldn't just blame the company because parents are also in the wrong, if their child have dreams of becoming an idol their parents should wait until their finished with school or at least tell them the hard work they need to put in and the cruelty of the kpop industry.
@@Gooner2thousandd facts but it’s sad that some of the parents literally don’t gaf about the pressures their kids face. they only care about the monetary benefits
i dont feel comfortable stanning enhypen yet there is nothing else to stan outside of the groups i like or eventually fall out of love with. i dont get this appeal in terms of debuting them so young who the fuck is going to give a shit? huh? creepy ceos and perverted buisiness owners maybe
You’re the only one who is speaking up, they should only debut people at the very least half way through 17 about to be 18 but in my humble opinion the least should be 18-19, or even 20. the fact that people are creepy and call them s**y and saying they have a crush (these are grown people btw) on these GIRLS, like for example baby monster or new jeans, they have minors as well as other groups like come on now THAT IS DISGUSTING THEY ARE CHILDREN. The parents and the company are to blame because why are you as the parent letting your child participate in this, I understand they have dreams but encourage them to go to school, get an education, graduate then decide if they want this dream, Why are the companies as grown adults allowing minors to audition and debut, I mean that’s very obvious why and it’s truly baffling and gross. Why are people not saying anything why are they acting like it’s soooo amazing? 🙄 overall I don’t think minors should be anywhere near kpop I don’t understand the issue with debuting just adults blackpink did it, if I’m not wrong G(idle) did it, I think aespa did it? Those are only a few groups unfortunately 😢
0:19 - intro 0:38 - it’s basically child labor 2:05 - the emotional damage 3:10 - education, who? 4:05 - the babying to brutal route 5:11 - the fetishization 6:06 - let them graduate from high school 6:51 - what about when they’re not young anymore? 7:33 - afterword + conclusion
I agree with everything you've said... and debuting 12 year olds is as much of a problem as 12 year olds training rigorously at the companies instead of going to school. So what if that 12 year old child debuts at 18. That doesn't make the "minor" problem less in kpop. I wish there was a system where there is a limit on the age requirement for becoming a trainee. At minimum the kid should be 15-16 while training and 18 while debuting. Because they're literally trading their youth, freedom and happiness to be in constant public scrutiny and despite how passionate someone is, it makes no sense to give up their childhood and early teens for kpop. They should be made aware that aside from the glitz of kpop, there is a dark, exploitative and predatory side to it... even young/older adults of the industry (with good managers, possibly having therapists by their side too) cannot take it sometimes, so how can anyone expect literal children to thrive in that sort of environment? I think it should be a universal common sense that kids joining in any kind of entertainment industry with a history of toxicity is NOT okay.
People should know human become successful at 12 years old, Its DOESNT MEANING: - They are more matured than other normal human Makeup is matured but their hearts still a child - Runaway from stupid educations school, I know education is idiot for every country but it doesnt mean we can skipped forever. - They can enjoyed doing their own favourite interest forever Every Human have at least above 2 interest or founded a new interest in their life Take an example: - Colonel Harland Sanders He has established KFC at 65 years old and its take 9 years to became successful - Abraham Lincoln He has many failure during his life until he became 16th president of the USA at 52 years old Successful at young age doesnt mean you are completely mature Successful at late age doesnt mean you are failed human
not anymore its not but boa was like 12 or smth when she started. the issue is if they debut young they aint fully grown in their skills especially if they arent being encouraged to improve and i think some definitely try to um get preferential treatments like they are rich for example gives them a leg up in being chosen or if they have connections to an agency or a sibling thats an idol. i dont think it gives them enough training time anymore and nowadays theyre rushing these undercooked idols or giving some idols special treatments to debut even if they have awful vocals or lack in something. i just dont get how their standards got so low in the first place, can name several idols who defo need the extra practice even if they been doing it for years and years. yet debuting them so young is robbing them off the chance to train without the pressure to debut young and then to say 18 is now too old to debut is fucked up too like what about someone my age who would handle it more maturely?
@@randomuser-nt9if I’m not even mainly focusing on their talents per se. There are so many talented kids out there but I would prefer that companies let them debut at a later age because the industry is filled with people who are predators and I’d hate for any kid to fall victim to them
@@rosalinescrib8011 agree but at the same time if they want to do it they should just let them and let the idols suffer the consequences of their own choices cause so many ppl eanna baby them and act like the idols arent able to be responsible for their choices or actions
@@randomuser-nt9if A 12/13 year old is not responsible for making such big decisions, though. There's a reason that they're not allowed to vote, drink, or drive.
@@malyesa7676 i never mentioned HER or her age in that comment, i just meant idols in general are not held responsible for their behaviour. yall need some comprehension skills fr
When I was 12. I was going through the big stage of puberty (I got it when I was 8) and it was a nightmare. If I were to be debuting in a public place where I would get shamed and stalked I would of been in hell or even worse might kick the bucket.
They should take a page out of Blackpink's book, all the members in Blackpink debuted over the age of 18, and they're one of the most successful groups out there.
yeah my issues with blackpink is they got a lot of pretty privilege, came from moderately decent backgrounds werent, toddlers when they debuted, yet they still gave next to nothing for their fans and ripped their fans off their concert experiences because they couldnt be bothered to do betger job nor improve their skills even after all this time? but i agree theres still a better age for them to debut at and its real shame they cant even debut them in their 30s either
@@randomuser-nt9if This comment is unrelated to age, though. 13 year olds can also debut with pretty privilege (and they do). Many if not most kpop idols come from decent or wealthy backgrounds because that's the only way they can afford to give up a free education and be a trainee for years.
@@malyesa7676 and wealthy privilegde. its such a shame because it feels like u dont quite know how much u should look up to them for and honestly its not a lot because like u said a lot of them have much special treatment in order to debut if they are say 16-18 do u reckon a lot of them would do sexual favours as well? ik celebs in the west keep getting diddled with at a young age so i imagine idols must go thru something similar? im not really sure how perverted it is over there but with the age these idols are debuting at in current times it must be quite a lot of perversion to deal with
14 is th minimum debuting for me and its still young imo it should be time you become trainee, or at least 16 cause younger are not mentally ready and very emotional
Their aren't many minors in kpop right now guys just to be clear. Also kpop trainees start VERYY young which makes sense but I don't think its necessary until 15-16 that would be a good trainee age or maybe even older 17.
theres more teenagers than there are ppl my age thats for sure and shes just talking about those debuting especially with auditions aiming for younger age ranges.
when i was 12-14, i would see these people complaining about minors debuting and i would say "leave them alone, they're teenagers, not children", but now i'm 15 and i realized that i'm going to high school next year and i'm going to college in 3 years so these last four years will be the last ones that i can spend being carefree and my only duty is going to be studying and having fun with my friends, and i realized how dangerous debuting children is, especially with this newjeans situation and how people treat idols in general. child celebrities shouldn't exist. i bet that in 10 years these idols will appear on programs crying and talking about how they wished they had enjoyed their childhood.
I hate i mean hate when Companies debut minors. I don't hate These kids they train and they are hardworking kids. I get it. They love singing. It's their dream.fine. But being an idol is a job. Just like she said, its a fulltime job training including dancing and vocal lessons other than that music shows and concerts. Kids needs to study. Idol industry is a big industry and not a lot of group are success. And adults need jobs right. Why can't companies debut adults? It's like companies just reject trainies as soon as they are 20. No problem if companies debut them just as singers that don't involve them missing a lot their school and when they are adults they can just train them to debut as a group.
I gasped when i literally saw a BABY on a music show thumbnail and i was so shocked when i watched their performance. They started as a dance group and they even released an MV 4 years ago. They should draw the line at some point. Seowon would be in the Unnie line of Burvey! I'm sorry but no. This has to stop.
already doing that its weird enough that someone younger can also be seen as someone older than they are because some members would like to think theyre mature but their mental age is still young
One thing I really hate is how kpop Stan’s always say „stop debuting minors!“ but then EVERY TIME a group with minors debut Y’all continue to support them? Can we please start boycotting groups with literal kids?!
why are people just realising this now as if 11-12 year olds haven't been debuting since the beginning, I'm not saying it's okay to debut minors but I'm glad that they don't force minors to do inappropriate concepts these days because back then girl group's with sexy concepts had minors that were forced to do it
Kids have been debuted forever. Brittany Spears, Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, etc. And the olympics, and hockey and other sports and movies etc, etc. Been going on forever. And how would you take away their opportunities. I started playing in a band for money at 15 years old in Canada. I worked at a job, went to school and spent at least 4 hours a day playing music.
@@aaronsimmons6307 those celebs you mentioned all turned out for the worse (not career wise. Mentally) do you understand what it means to be in an industry where pedos and predators are on your back? Or weren’t you aware of the Ai infestation going on in Korea where crazy ass men were using female idols (some being minors) for deepfakes?! Kids aren’t safe in that kind of industry.
@@하하-w9k still aren’t safe. I’m not trying to cool down their talents or anything like that. All I’m worried about is the industry where they find themselves. Yes, everything will seem glamorous at the surface because these kids are literally successful and all but what about what goes on behind?! Most kids who are being pushed into the industry way too early all ended up facing challenges that they shouldn’t. Pedos, predators are very rampant in the entertainment and fashion industry and children needs to be protected 😭
Not all of them. I was just using the ones that came to mind. Do we go without child actors? What do we do? We definitely need to protect them. But my understanding is that they just created stronger laws in Korea to do just that.
@@aaronsimmons6307 exactly and I know that we need them. But korea needs to take a stand and protect these kids so strongly because things are really happening there. People are literally taking these kids faces and using them for Ai explicit videos/images. It’s insane
Just because this is what you think you will experience doesn't mean that this actually happens all the time. All of this is more of the faults of the fans and not the industry. There have been so many generations of teenage musicians. Look in J-pop, boy bands in the US (New Kids on the Block, Backstreet Boys, N'Sync), and around the world. This isnt' something that you've discovered. With the fans, they're the ones who keep demanding these things. Maybe stop demanding certain themes and styles and stop asking them to do fan videos and fan calls. You also act as if these teens are absolutely forced to audition, train, and debut for these companies. The minors that debut outshine all of their older trainees and the other trainees that are their age. These trainees have shown that they can handle these things. These kids are the NFL players of their peers. Stop thinking that all teens are so fragile and soft.
It’s not even about them being soft and all. Children should never be put in the spotlight especially knowing the kind of world we live in. If you’ve watched videos or seen interviews of people who grew up as child stars….you’d actually understand what I’m saying.
@@rosalinescrib8011 I've seen all the interviews from Corey Feldman and many of the Nickelodeon and Disney stars......but I've also seen talents like Janet Jackson and New Kids on the Block and New Edition and Debbie Gibson and Melissa Joan Hart who have a different story. You know you could also be talking about the adults who can fit all the criteria you're talking about. Not every teen is the same and many of them can handle it. There are multiple idols in Japan who have been in groups since they were tweens/teens and now have a great life, are married and have children. And their expectations can be more stringent than what is expected in k-pop. Also, it's kind of insulting to think that these teens aren't getting a good education when there are actual schools for entertainers and they don't just pass them. You're kinda implying that they're not smart or will not be smart. You also know that they can walk away when they want to. After their contracts are up, they can be completely done with the industry. And people who audition for these companies have a drive in them that can't be explained to others who have never had a true passion for something. They will see it to fruition. Are there a few issues? Of course. Do fans go overboard with their speculations? Always. And that's what this is for the most part.....pure speculation.
@rosalinescrib8011 their parents are kinda at fault for letting them join so early lol WHAT THE HELL MY BROTHER JUST CLICKED SOMETHING AND MADE ME JOIN A MINSUNG OBBY
there are many young singers around the world whats the matter about debuting minors it's a good thing that people at there age can live there dream and be a singer or a dancer
because it keeps adding to the perversion of the opposite gender who r going to use and manipulate that young girl :( even for their own sexual favours as gross as it sounds thats what happens im afraid
just say you're jealous, and move on-💀
@@wonzeur just because I’m calling out the downsides of debuting so young…doesn’t mean I’m jealous. Being an idol isn’t something I’d ever want to be 😭 learn to use your brain and think instead of leaving a dumb comment on my video. Don’t pmo right now
How is this bring jealous , I'm sure this is more of a informational video
You really can't understand the concept of caring for literal children? Many celebrities that became famous at a young age have spoken up about how horrible and abusive it was, there's a reason why there's this idea of 'celebrity age' where they stop aging mentally at a normal rate when they become famous...
Of course people can both want to be famous themselves AND condemn exposing minors to an extremely toxic, harmful industry.
the only thing im "jealous" of is that she got in without having to do very much just yet, other than that we do not care that we are not being used like that at that age for the perversion of older men which is who would be following such a group lbr otherwise they never seem to promote kid friendly groups for kids do they?
oh my gosh.
12 ?? I FEEL OLD WITH THESE PEOPLE DEBUTING 😭😭
@@jasonie-5 RIGHT?!
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I don’t understand why people are hating, this is a perfectly valid take.
because it forces them to feel guilty about supporting the exploration of children. The people hating are the people guilty of making the abuse profitable... It's always take accountability until they have to look at their own actions
@@Stay_Zerose right.
As a newly made 13yr old I was gonna to try audition but since this visit d imma push this to next year
I’m BEGGING for ppl to stop supporting groups with mostly minors. Stop buying their albums, stop streaming their music, stop engaging with their content. You’re sending the message to companies that they should debut kids. I get that they’re probably not gonna stop debuting older kids unless theres a law put in place, but no group should debut where the OLDEST member is a minor.
I literally saw someone say 23 is too old to debut..
@@sunflowerrgirll how tf is 23 old?! 💀 that’s like amongst the perfect age of debuting.
HUH??? WTF
Must be a child saying that or some weirdo lol
@@rosalinescrib8011 true af
i would never stand a chance to debut if someone 23 is too old. fuck this. they want kids cause theyre easily controllable
" the '' kpop dream is child labour in disguise " I totally agree with this
Real!! I wourl love if idols debuted at least 18 or turning 18 like that year ot smth but somebody who is like 13 ? Hell no , Seowon losing her baby tooth thats wild like no way! And omg i saw smth about a group of 2010-2012 liners debuting... So 12-14 years olds... That's insane.
thats a crazy ass age. nope thats where i draw the line even enhypen for example i want to like them but i find them too young and too immature that i rather just stay away from these groups so please tell me which grown adults would actually stay away from an easily manipulated 12 yo whos basically a toddler still... none of them. its disgusting but im so glad i wasnt doing what she has to do at her age yet i feel bad that she has to do what she is doing at her age
@@randomuser-nt9if No fr I feel like groups like full of teenagers twenty year olds don't feel so extremely young to me bc I'm a teen myself so I'm quite young but like For the industry it would be great if it was just adults debuting but yeah and same I'm so glad at the age of 12 i was doing normal things for that age like getting an education
@@0CHAR12CHAR3 i know and at my age it is just rather uncomfortable to know adults are comfortable debuting toddlers in idol groups. i cant fathom it really even if she had the choice to say no thanks id have said no there and then but i guess that lifestyle looks glamourous and has been so nornalised for some time yet its still an overly controlling image based style of performances so she will probably wind up regretting it later on. especially if she eventually want a relationship but yh mad times innit? also older idols barely are held responsible for their behaviours cause ppl baby and coddle them so they get away with all sorts of stuff
But her fans will go to hell and back insisting the company is the gold standard and therefore it's okay. Hot take any company willing to debut a pre-teen is inherently not a good company.
@@Stay_Zerose yeah and its an ageist system they are in why wont they debut someone my age? whys it always got to be someone young and pure and who can be manipulated or used for grown men perversions? why cant it be someone genuinely cool and mature?
It's SO uncomfortable to watch young idols like Seowon from UNIS perform on stage.
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I bet there’s a lot of older men watching and fans of her. Sick.
..... WHAT ARE 12 YEAR OLDS DOING DEBUTING IN A KPOP GROUP
theyre practically still toddlers at that age
@randomuser-nt9if RIGHT. LITERAL FETUSES
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 ikr sometimes i do pity them ngl but at the same time im like im glad that was not me doing that at that age. i dont know how its got so ageist that they are barely debuting late 20s early 30s in idol groups either is there smth wrong with my generation or is it just that we arent easily manipulated not like someone that age? but also why would i want to be manipulated anyway? i really dont get the appeal of them wanting or needing to debut that age at least let them mature a tad?
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 but i also dont get marketing of it, if they debut them so young nowadays who is realistically going to gaf about a group that age with minors other than pedophiles and creepy grown adults / boomer groomers. what sort of twisted mind allows this to actually happen because u know deep down they be doing some freaky ass shit in order to debut
We shouldn't just blame the company because parents are also in the wrong, if their child have dreams of becoming an idol their parents should wait until their finished with school or at least tell them the hard work they need to put in and the cruelty of the kpop industry.
@@Gooner2thousandd facts but it’s sad that some of the parents literally don’t gaf about the pressures their kids face. they only care about the monetary benefits
preach, parents do get free passes or glorification on this topic. They are either not talked about or it "their parents let them so it's fine"
A rumored survival show called under15 was supposed to have trainees oldest 15 and youngest 3
@@AalalalalaaLa HUH?! 😭💀
@ yeah… I can just imagine how a tour would go
“And where should we go for tour Jenny?”
“Goo goo gaa gaa!”
“Japan it is!”
This is the first video I've seen on this topic, and it's kinda sad how there's no others ( that i've seen)
There are plenty you just have to get on that side of Ktube first
Have you seen the video of the 13 year old girl (i think her name is Seowon of UNIS) when her teeth fell out during filming?
@@PinkPunkXO I saw it and I was like hell nah. Also heard she’s been in the industry for years before her debut in unis 😭
@@rosalinescrib8011 Wow I actually didn’t know that. It’s quite concerning and insane for a girl so young to be in such an industry :(
16-17 is borderline okay, BORDERLINE, because a lot of 16 year olds get their first job at that age, anything less is a big issue.
it's still not okay
I'm sorry but i don't feel comfortable stanning unis bcz seowon is literally a CHILD the debut age should be 19+
@@Sanatizer_143 girlie literally had her tooth fall out recently
i dont feel comfortable stanning enhypen yet there is nothing else to stan outside of the groups i like or eventually fall out of love with. i dont get this appeal in terms of debuting them so young who the fuck is going to give a shit? huh? creepy ceos and perverted buisiness owners maybe
Same
I remember when sooo many people were talking about hyein debuting at the age of 15, now 15 is an accepted age to debut and its even getting lower…
You’re the only one who is speaking up, they should only debut people at the very least half way through 17 about to be 18 but in my humble opinion the least should be 18-19, or even 20. the fact that people are creepy and call them s**y and saying they have a crush (these are grown people btw) on these GIRLS, like for example baby monster or new jeans, they have minors as well as other groups like come on now THAT IS DISGUSTING THEY ARE CHILDREN. The parents and the company are to blame because why are you as the parent letting your child participate in this, I understand they have dreams but encourage them to go to school, get an education, graduate then decide if they want this dream, Why are the companies as grown adults allowing minors to audition and debut, I mean that’s very obvious why and it’s truly baffling and gross. Why are people not saying anything why are they acting like it’s soooo amazing? 🙄 overall I don’t think minors should be anywhere near kpop I don’t understand the issue with debuting just adults blackpink did it, if I’m not wrong G(idle) did it, I think aespa did it? Those are only a few groups unfortunately 😢
0:19 - intro
0:38 - it’s basically child labor
2:05 - the emotional damage
3:10 - education, who?
4:05 - the babying to brutal route
5:11 - the fetishization
6:06 - let them graduate from high school
6:51 - what about when they’re not young anymore?
7:33 - afterword + conclusion
I agree with everything you've said... and debuting 12 year olds is as much of a problem as 12 year olds training rigorously at the companies instead of going to school. So what if that 12 year old child debuts at 18. That doesn't make the "minor" problem less in kpop. I wish there was a system where there is a limit on the age requirement for becoming a trainee. At minimum the kid should be 15-16 while training and 18 while debuting. Because they're literally trading their youth, freedom and happiness to be in constant public scrutiny and despite how passionate someone is, it makes no sense to give up their childhood and early teens for kpop. They should be made aware that aside from the glitz of kpop, there is a dark, exploitative and predatory side to it... even young/older adults of the industry (with good managers, possibly having therapists by their side too) cannot take it sometimes, so how can anyone expect literal children to thrive in that sort of environment? I think it should be a universal common sense that kids joining in any kind of entertainment industry with a history of toxicity is NOT okay.
Thank you, im glad you covered this topic! Its a very very serious topic and you handle it well
People should know human become successful at 12 years old,
Its DOESNT MEANING:
- They are more matured than other normal human
Makeup is matured but their hearts still a child
- Runaway from stupid educations school,
I know education is idiot for every country but it doesnt mean we can skipped forever.
- They can enjoyed doing their own favourite interest forever
Every Human have at least above 2 interest or founded a new interest in their life
Take an example:
- Colonel Harland Sanders
He has established KFC at 65 years old and its take 9 years to became successful
- Abraham Lincoln
He has many failure during his life until he became 16th president of the USA at 52 years old
Successful at young age doesnt mean you are completely mature
Successful at late age doesnt mean you are failed human
Bro I was just watching a music show from them and you just happened to post😭
telepathy 😍
not anymore its not but boa was like 12 or smth when she started. the issue is if they debut young they aint fully grown in their skills especially if they arent being encouraged to improve and i think some definitely try to um get preferential treatments like they are rich for example gives them a leg up in being chosen or if they have connections to an agency or a sibling thats an idol. i dont think it gives them enough training time anymore and nowadays theyre rushing these undercooked idols or giving some idols special treatments to debut even if they have awful vocals or lack in something. i just dont get how their standards got so low in the first place, can name several idols who defo need the extra practice even if they been doing it for years and years. yet debuting them so young is robbing them off the chance to train without the pressure to debut young and then to say 18 is now too old to debut is fucked up too like what about someone my age who would handle it more maturely?
@@randomuser-nt9if I’m not even mainly focusing on their talents per se. There are so many talented kids out there but I would prefer that companies let them debut at a later age because the industry is filled with people who are predators and I’d hate for any kid to fall victim to them
@@rosalinescrib8011 agree but at the same time if they want to do it they should just let them and let the idols suffer the consequences of their own choices cause so many ppl eanna baby them and act like the idols arent able to be responsible for their choices or actions
@@randomuser-nt9if A 12/13 year old is not responsible for making such big decisions, though. There's a reason that they're not allowed to vote, drink, or drive.
@@malyesa7676 i never mentioned HER or her age in that comment, i just meant idols in general are not held responsible for their behaviour. yall need some comprehension skills fr
kids get bored of stuff fast so at some point they wont like what their doing whatsoever
When I was 12. I was going through the big stage of puberty (I got it when I was 8) and it was a nightmare. If I were to be debuting in a public place where I would get shamed and stalked I would of been in hell or even worse might kick the bucket.
Damn i didn't even know that this happened
They should take a page out of Blackpink's book, all the members in Blackpink debuted over the age of 18, and they're one of the most successful groups out there.
yeah my issues with blackpink is they got a lot of pretty privilege, came from moderately decent backgrounds werent, toddlers when they debuted, yet they still gave next to nothing for their fans and ripped their fans off their concert experiences because they couldnt be bothered to do betger job nor improve their skills even after all this time? but i agree theres still a better age for them to debut at and its real shame they cant even debut them in their 30s either
@@randomuser-nt9if This comment is unrelated to age, though. 13 year olds can also debut with pretty privilege (and they do). Many if not most kpop idols come from decent or wealthy backgrounds because that's the only way they can afford to give up a free education and be a trainee for years.
@@malyesa7676 and wealthy privilegde. its such a shame because it feels like u dont quite know how much u should look up to them for and honestly its not a lot because like u said a lot of them have much special treatment in order to debut if they are say 16-18 do u reckon a lot of them would do sexual favours as well? ik celebs in the west keep getting diddled with at a young age so i imagine idols must go thru something similar? im not really sure how perverted it is over there but with the age these idols are debuting at in current times it must be quite a lot of perversion to deal with
14 is th minimum debuting for me and its still young imo it should be time you become trainee, or at least 16 cause younger are not mentally ready and very emotional
Their aren't many minors in kpop right now guys just to be clear. Also kpop trainees start VERYY young which makes sense but I don't think its necessary until 15-16 that would be a good trainee age or maybe even older 17.
theres more teenagers than there are ppl my age thats for sure and shes just talking about those debuting especially with auditions aiming for younger age ranges.
when i was 12-14, i would see these people complaining about minors debuting and i would say "leave them alone, they're teenagers, not children", but now i'm 15 and i realized that i'm going to high school next year and i'm going to college in 3 years so these last four years will be the last ones that i can spend being carefree and my only duty is going to be studying and having fun with my friends, and i realized how dangerous debuting children is, especially with this newjeans situation and how people treat idols in general. child celebrities shouldn't exist. i bet that in 10 years these idols will appear on programs crying and talking about how they wished they had enjoyed their childhood.
I hate i mean hate when Companies debut minors. I don't hate These kids they train and they are hardworking kids. I get it. They love singing. It's their dream.fine. But being an idol is a job. Just like she said, its a fulltime job training including dancing and vocal lessons other than that music shows and concerts. Kids needs to study. Idol industry is a big industry and not a lot of group are success.
And adults need jobs right. Why can't companies debut adults? It's like companies just reject trainies as soon as they are 20.
No problem if companies debut them just as singers that don't involve them missing a lot their school and when they are adults they can just train them to debut as a group.
I gasped when i literally saw a BABY on a music show thumbnail and i was so shocked when i watched their performance. They started as a dance group and they even released an MV 4 years ago. They should draw the line at some point. Seowon would be in the Unnie line of Burvey! I'm sorry but no. This has to stop.
I seriously still don’t understand the rush to debut young kids into a very dangerous industry 😭
The first step to let this stop should definitely be for us fans to stop supporting group with minors
already doing that its weird enough that someone younger can also be seen as someone older than they are because some members would like to think theyre mature but their mental age is still young
One thing I really hate is how kpop Stan’s always say „stop debuting minors!“ but then EVERY TIME a group with minors debut Y’all continue to support them? Can we please start boycotting groups with literal kids?!
When I Was Seowon's Age I Was Just Watching Total Drama,Eating Ice Cream & Studying... THEY SHOULD NOT DEBUT 12 YEAR OLDS LIKE WHAT THE HECK???
why are people just realising this now as if 11-12 year olds haven't been debuting since the beginning, I'm not saying it's okay to debut minors but I'm glad that they don't force minors to do inappropriate concepts these days because back then girl group's with sexy concepts had minors that were forced to do it
Imo I think Kq entertainment is the only good kpop company I know because I think they don't allow their trainees to debut until they're 17/18
d for me i am still auditioning because my childhood is already ruined
sending you all the love, ml ✨🤍🤍🤍
@rosalinescrib8011 thanks!
Kids have been debuted forever. Brittany Spears, Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, etc. And the olympics, and hockey and other sports and movies etc, etc. Been going on forever. And how would you take away their opportunities. I started playing in a band for money at 15 years old in Canada. I worked at a job, went to school and spent at least 4 hours a day playing music.
@@aaronsimmons6307 those celebs you mentioned all turned out for the worse (not career wise. Mentally) do you understand what it means to be in an industry where pedos and predators are on your back? Or weren’t you aware of the Ai infestation going on in Korea where crazy ass men were using female idols (some being minors) for deepfakes?! Kids aren’t safe in that kind of industry.
ell they chose to do this
Well what your Opinion about Child actors, Child Models, Child actresses?
Even athletes train in a young age.
@@하하-w9k still aren’t safe. I’m not trying to cool down their talents or anything like that. All I’m worried about is the industry where they find themselves. Yes, everything will seem glamorous at the surface because these kids are literally successful and all but what about what goes on behind?! Most kids who are being pushed into the industry way too early all ended up facing challenges that they shouldn’t. Pedos, predators are very rampant in the entertainment and fashion industry and children needs to be protected 😭
Not all of them. I was just using the ones that came to mind. Do we go without child actors? What do we do? We definitely need to protect them. But my understanding is that they just created stronger laws in Korea to do just that.
@@aaronsimmons6307 exactly and I know that we need them. But korea needs to take a stand and protect these kids so strongly because things are really happening there. People are literally taking these kids faces and using them for Ai explicit videos/images. It’s insane
@@rosalinescrib8011 well said!
просто посмотрите, что они делают с чикитой...
I heard Lisa Debut this group
I don’t think so. It was Yg who debuted them but she was only a mentor to them
@@rosalinescrib8011 Oh okay
But i want Yk pale because i am still younger then all
Just because this is what you think you will experience doesn't mean that this actually happens all the time. All of this is more of the faults of the fans and not the industry. There have been so many generations of teenage musicians. Look in J-pop, boy bands in the US (New Kids on the Block, Backstreet Boys, N'Sync), and around the world. This isnt' something that you've discovered. With the fans, they're the ones who keep demanding these things. Maybe stop demanding certain themes and styles and stop asking them to do fan videos and fan calls. You also act as if these teens are absolutely forced to audition, train, and debut for these companies. The minors that debut outshine all of their older trainees and the other trainees that are their age. These trainees have shown that they can handle these things. These kids are the NFL players of their peers. Stop thinking that all teens are so fragile and soft.
It’s not even about them being soft and all. Children should never be put in the spotlight especially knowing the kind of world we live in. If you’ve watched videos or seen interviews of people who grew up as child stars….you’d actually understand what I’m saying.
@@rosalinescrib8011 I've seen all the interviews from Corey Feldman and many of the Nickelodeon and Disney stars......but I've also seen talents like Janet Jackson and New Kids on the Block and New Edition and Debbie Gibson and Melissa Joan Hart who have a different story. You know you could also be talking about the adults who can fit all the criteria you're talking about. Not every teen is the same and many of them can handle it. There are multiple idols in Japan who have been in groups since they were tweens/teens and now have a great life, are married and have children. And their expectations can be more stringent than what is expected in k-pop. Also, it's kind of insulting to think that these teens aren't getting a good education when there are actual schools for entertainers and they don't just pass them. You're kinda implying that they're not smart or will not be smart. You also know that they can walk away when they want to. After their contracts are up, they can be completely done with the industry. And people who audition for these companies have a drive in them that can't be explained to others who have never had a true passion for something. They will see it to fruition. Are there a few issues? Of course. Do fans go overboard with their speculations? Always. And that's what this is for the most part.....pure speculation.
ok but they wanted to be idols😭
They can still achieve their dreams but they shouldn’t be in the industry way too early 😭
@rosalinescrib8011 their parents are kinda at fault for letting them join so early lol WHAT THE HELL MY BROTHER JUST CLICKED SOMETHING AND MADE ME JOIN A MINSUNG OBBY
there are many young singers around the world whats the matter about debuting minors it's a good thing that people at there age can live there dream and be a singer or a dancer
i said that before watching the video
Did you actually watch the video? It makes like seven very truthful and good points about what the 'matter' is.
because it keeps adding to the perversion of the opposite gender who r going to use and manipulate that young girl :( even for their own sexual favours as gross as it sounds thats what happens im afraid
@@malyesa7676 read the reply
use ur fucking eyes and read the reply
because this industry is disgusting and evil