I am super exited to be talking about the overlooked explorers of antiquity! You can check out the actual records of the Periplus of Hanno here: www.livius.org/articles/person/hanno-1-the-navigator/hanno-1-the-navigator-2/
@Ironclaw XII Rome's society was not tough as nails. For centuries afterwards Romans remained frightened of the very name Hannibal, almost like a boogeyman. The reality is, Rome simply outmatched Carthage in one thing and one thing only. Manpower. Sure, Carthage had a better framework for conducting warfare, literally inventing the combined arms model of war. With Mago's reforms, Carthage invented the Pilum equipped heavy infantry as checkboard positioned units that rendered the Phalanx obsolete. The so called 'Phalanx with joints' designed to break up turtling Greeks in Sicily and then the Falcata goes to do its bloody work. The Romans copied this and it's now called a Legion. Romans copied the Carthaginians mass production capabilities for ships by reverse engineer a captured vessel. Copied Carthage's governing systems as well. Carthage was the first republic and had a much more complex civic system than Rome. Non of this mattered. Rome could afford to raise army after army and bludgeon Carthage to death with sheer numbers alone.
@Ironclaw XII That was a sad and pathetic attempt at internet smacktalk. They weren't "tough as nails", whatever the frak that means. They were normal human beings with the knowledge that they could re-enter the war with a decade when their next round of able bodied men reached puberty but their enemy could not. You can beat your chest as much as you like, call a stranger on the internet names and try desperately to prove some ancient people, who's character outside of imagination is unknown to anyone, are somehow "tough". But that's weird and childish and wrong.
@Ironclaw XII You can call them tough for not giving up, but mind that Hannibal's forces also didn't give up - and stayed for over a decade in hostile territories, short of reinforcements, while the Romans were stationed on home ground.
They made all those voyages up just sleeping by olive tree but they did have a written language. Meanwhile the Vikings did all the exploring but did not have a written language so we don't know.
@HanselManCan the Phonecians from the Levant already had an established trade route all the way to the Tin islands in modern southern England since the Bronze age. but it was a secret route they only knew about. I believe the Carthaginians wanted to take over that trade route after all they were Phonecians too.
@HanselManCan of course, was just writing from the common dichotomy we see of the Greek and Punic trade, exploration, and colonization, how the Punic peoples seemed to rove more widely and dynamically for the purposes of international trade primarily, whereas the Greeks did it more for finding land for colonies to feed the homeland (hence finding no use in colonies so far away from Greece until the later periods, when they started more dynamic and opportunistic trading in earnest)
@@hannibalbarca8411 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punics Often the terms are used interchangeably, and i prefer Punic as there had to have been explorers from other cities both before and during Carthage's hegemony, and describing pre-Carthaginian explorers as Carthaginian seems misleading on the achievements of those cities and their peoples. It would be misleading to call the achievements of Latins and Etruscans as Roman even tho they were soon eclipsed by the Roman peoples, even as Latin and Roman can be used interchangeably also. Purely intellectual of a differentiation tho so to each their own
Dude I first found this channel when I was black out drunk, I sat near my toilet all night and watched the total war videos because I was too drunk/sick to sleep. Both the channel and I have come a long way since then and we’ve been friends since that night❤️
@@cortexavery1324 But he literally did say Gorillae like did you watch the video? I'm sure that's a Greek translation but like it's still what the text said.
@@cortexavery1324 In fact, the word "gorilla" comes from this account from Hanno. When the animal was classified, they referenced Hanno's travels to name it.
I am surprised they didn't note how fat they were as it was one obvious trait Gurrelilas have....I gues Political Correctness existed back then as well!
Weren't Carthaginans simply from the Phoenician civilization ? I think the underrated ones are juste the Phoenicians in general, often ignored despite their positive influence on the Greeks.
Just imagine being the translator for Hanno, hardly leaving your village, then these people on boats talk to you who then take you so far away neither of you know the language and look very different from you
Imagine being a translator for Hanno, and your expedition leader says you have to ask a bunch of gorillas if they're interested in trade with Carthage.
For the Celtic world languages would've been fairly close, so from Britain, down the French Atlantic & Mediterranean coast plus parts of Spain the structure & many words would be reasonably decipherable.
@@johntitor1256 lmfao Greetings, we have elegant pearls from our country, could you take us to your king? Harambe's 15th great grandfather "Grunt, *sniff, hoo hoo huh"
"And even related generas, like science and true crime, which are historical in nature." Huh, I've heard like six different youtubers repeat this phrase. Let people put in in their own words, Magellan!
Hey Invicta! I would love to know or see one of your videos on how armies communicated during battles? :) how they carried out tactics etc. huge fan :)
@@frommy725 Damn man, great suggestion Dave! Hope Invicta does it... I'm kinda excited on how communication of armies changed between generals, armies, and time.
@@hyperion3145 What makes Syracuse special? They were just Ionians before the Dorian genocide twisted the demographics. By the time Carthage had colonized the Island, in the words of the Malchus "the sons of Tyre have conquered all of Sicily" Syracuse under Hiero was an ally/client city of Carthage. Besides, among all the Greek tribes, the Thebans had the most refined martial prowess.
7:18 100 km = 54 nautical miles (in case anyone was wondering like me) As for the Tin Islands, Brittany and Cornwall were indeed big sources of tin in Antiquity (Brittany isn't an island, but it contains islands).
I've learned so much about Carthage from you. All I had known from history lessons and age of empires that it was an enemy of Rome and that they had war elephants It's a fascinating civilization, I wish to learn more about it
I like very much these Carthaginian videos. It's an underrated culture. If it wasn't Rome, I'm sure a world under Carthage wouldn't be bad at all either.
Carthage would have to change if it was to eat the mediterranean up for lunch. I really can't imagine Carthaginians would even do it when being a good general didn't mean advancement of political life. Roman generals did it because they accidentally created a cycle. A cycle of soldiers needing land for their retirement -> needing soldiers to have more land.
The Punic Wars may be one of the most important wars in history for that reason,it changed the face of the western Mediterranean and of Europe,if Carthage won,Europe would be celtic instead of latin and more german than today
@@johngarcia1340 You might be right. Kind of hard to believe they chased Gorillas into trees captured a few females and all they did was bite their arms. Even true chimps would have done more damage let alone Gorillas. Either way to think they were human is wild to my modern thought process
They probably thought humans could have very different appearances in far away regions back then now we know the only differences are skin color and eye shape but back then they assumed that there where people far away that looked like a completely different species.
Another commenter made a good point in that we’re reading a abridged translation of a translation etc, so they might not have necessarily thought the gorillas were human, just the language they used to describe them makes it seem that way.
But did they? "Hairy people" could be people with long hair and men with beards. Why mention their sex? Gorillas don't have prominent sex features. They all look the same. Makes me wonder if it wasn't just an extremely savage and feral group they encountered.
Well in antiquity people were aware of the similarities of apes and men. Also, could have been chimps as they describe many males. And even a single silverback protecting his harem is a bit of problem even with a spear in hand.
Bill Parker perhaps you are right. After we do have feral people and a few tribes we have not had contact with. Migration is a thing. They could have just moved away after Rome showed up.
I once talked to a girl from Tunisia online,we had a good discussion on History,the people of Tunisia are very much aware of their history,like how ancient Carthage gave the Greeks their alphabet,and that “,Hannibal Barca “is a important figure in the history of their country,and indeed is a important figure of their identity ..The people of Tunisia and as well as Lebanon know the achievements of the great Phoenician civilisation..They are a Very proud and great people..
Peter Roberts..Thre inhabitants of Tunisia today have no history or relation to ancient Carthagenians who were mainly native black and brown Africans of their lands.There is plenty info on ancient Africa today,but not on whitewashed videos.The videos of( Black Carthage) and ANCIENT INHABITANTS OF CARTHAGE are only a small amount of evidence on this subject.
@@matiusbond6052 modern Tunisinians have nothing to do with Phoenicians and chartage, but they were absolutely not blacks 🤣🤣🤣 we have tons of descriptions and affrescos of Phoenicians by Romans, celts and Greeks, and they were similar to whites/Arabs/jews, they had an "European-middle eastearn" phenotype, just like sumerians, assyrians and other people of middle east and Mesopotamia
I like how he took the gorilla's woman like they were just other humans with lots of hair, it's kind of cute in a horrifying they kidnapped the female gorillas sort of way...
Kidnapping was a normal way of first contact back then. Columbus did it. How are you going to teach and learn a language if you are not talking? How are you going to talk if they run from you?
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 colombus and carthage are not really the same time period, and there was man expeditions made by the greeks, the phoenicians and the chinese which although going in unknown territory did not involve kidnaping. Even Hannos made several first contacts without kidnapping. It is not to be rationalised, accepted yes, but rationalised to the point of saying it's "normal way of first contact"... My oh my...
@@trla6505 People have been killing others since times immemorial, and strangers are to be assumed to be dangerous, especially if they are armed and in large numbers. But of course you are talking about modern people in London, Paris or New York, protected by hundreds of ships, thousands of police and million soldiers and knowing no unknown threats on the entire planet, which is mapped from space by satellites good enough to read a license plate. In that you are right.
@@nvmtt Yeah, it sounds terrible, but I've heard of other people getting flayed in antiquity too. The more "civilized" people back then would dehumanize what they would consider lesser civilized humans. The Romans for example looked down their snobby noses at the Celts. There was also no such thing as the UN like we have today for shaming countries that violate human rights. Although, it's currently broken when it comes to China lol I'm not saying I 100% believe it, but it's interesting to ponder.
I live in Rhode Island in the Northeast USA. There is a wildlife refuge here (Parker Woodland Audubon Society in Coventry, Rhode Island) which contains hundreds of large stone cairns. It is not known who built them, European settlers and local Indians both did not build in this way. It is speculated that the ancient Celts or Phoenicians may have built them.
@@skizzik121 lol "the history community" isn't so much of a thing on YT. People are interested in history, many people, in and outside of academia. Documentary channels are testament to that. This channel does good documentaries, yes on history, so well that I would consider this to be underrated on RUclips.
@@largavidaalosdodosn6931 Dude what are you talking about, I'm a proud mediterenean berber from the western side of north africa aka Moorish or Moroccan, what's china had to do with me?? lol, Herodotus said that the inhabitans of the atlas mountains don't eat living thing meaning they only eat plants, so i said that we do eat living things of course not when they are alive like you said lol
Are you sure you dream? Nobody else can see your dreams, so how can we know? All Europians and North Africans have one connected consciousness, so we can see each others dreams, but not Moroccan. You see, everything is scientific. Big brain.
This was an awesome video. I loved it. One thing the Roman's will never have over the Carthaginians is exploration. Hey has anyone ever heard of any great Roman explorers?
Romans were only interested in Plunder and as for exploring like trading in spices from India they rely on the local population to sail the dangerous seas.
Roman merchants reached the baltic sea several time, not to mention the fleet that sailed all around Great Britain. There were regular voyages to India for trade and some roman merchants allegedly reached China. The Romans were fully capable of building big ocean capable ships.
@@dayros2023---I know the Roman's were capable of building great ships. But did any great explorers arise from this civilization. And please don't mention Caesar. He wasn't really interested in exploration.
Can we talk about the fact that they skinned gorillas - even worse, they skinned gorillas even despite thinking that they were skinning humans? That's quite grimy.
I had previously read that same story of Hanno’s journey down the coast of Africa and found it very interesting and a little bizarre, but had forgotten the author and his civilization, besides thinking it somewhat Greco-Roman-ish (altar to Neptune, Greek-sounding place names) but I realize those are probably due to whoever translated the abridged version and I’ll never make the mistake of overlooking Carthage again.
Making it to Guinea Coast seems very optimistic when it took 15th century people decades of naval instrument innovation, new sailing techniques and new types of vessels for it to be achieved.
Miguel Montenegro I thought the exact same while watching the video. Maybe GRR made Corliss the archetypal representation of all the great explorers from antiquity to late medieval times.
Zheng He is the name you're looking for. But yes, Hanno, Zheng He, Columbus, Magellan, Cook, and many more that came before or after them. These are just some of the more known explorers that could all be represented by Corlys Velaryon.
Love your documentaries about antic explorers, military and way of life! I can hear your voice in the next video: "Today we will discuss about Pytheas of Massalia and his voyages to the North." Thank you for your content
I noticed that you used a geographical maps with the ancient coastline. For example there is a gulf in the SW of Spain where now is the Doñana national park. Congrats!
The details on the journey to the western coast if Africa are mind-blowing. What an incredible adventure. It is fascinating to hear about what peoples thought upon discovering thing we are very familiar with now. Great video, thanks you for your work!
What happened to the cities they created after Carthage fall because the Romans never went down that far on the Atlantic cost? Did they survive and if so what became of them?
I don't sure why but I have a special interest in learning about civilizations who had strong determination and senses of oversea exploration and colonization. Fascinating! Keep up your works
Excellent subject. Two observations: (1) the fact that each of Hanno's ships would have held 500 persons is sort of glossed over. That is a monumental accomplishment, if true. If true, then this mission was indeed colonial just as much as expeditionary. They really did drop large numbers of Carthaginians in these various settlements they established along the African coast. This may have been one of the largest focused colonial ventures in history. (2) Re: the "gorillas," it's unlikely that Carthaginians, who were familiar with macaques, would have called apes humans. It's possible that the beings that they encountered were a lost species of hominid, hairy yet far more human than apes. They are still today finding new species in certain vast expanses of the Congo, still one of the largest unexplored regions on earth. As Pliny the Elder said, "There is always something new out of Africa."
The gorilla thing made me realice that humans will not see elves or dwarve like diferent races rather more like "humans with pointy ears" and small humans
There's rock art in the nordic countries that suggests that a mediterranean civilization came as far north as at least the area around Southern Norway and Sweden and Denmark. Basically, whoever carved them must have seen such ships themselves at some point with their own eyes. That *could* be the expedition from Carthage...
This is wonderful! I was wondering about early Mediterranean dwellers going off to explore beyond the pillars. So many questions! How long did Hanno's expedition take? Were there further expeditions that followed? What was the fate of all of the colonies they established?
Why haven't we seen movies of Hanno's adventures! There needs to be material for dozens in the Carthaginians contributions to the ancient and modern world.
As a cuneiformist and historian of Mesopotamia I always cringe when I hear the name Herodotus. That man wrote speculative fiction about foreign lands, spicing it up for the audience at home - so I really appreciate it that you are taking a stab at this idol!
Not all of it is so rubbish - just strangely described. “Hole dwelling people who made bat shrieks” could be an uncivilized tribe that made dugouts and did animals calls/war cries and they do. “Men who don’t eat or dream” is probably just monks who fast (maybe often, maybe only during day, maybe certain weeks) and don’t dream (mediation, natural medical remedy for deeper sleep?). Many accounts were taken from other people, so yes he’s not accurate and likely embellished some stories, but there’s truth to some weird bits.
As the British Isles were one of the primary source of tin in Europe since the early bronze age, so Himilco was right to search for certain islands of tin :)
At around 100BC, in a Trieme, how far can you go with sea shore out of sight? Could anyone go straight from Cathage to Marseilles without stopping at Sicily etc.? 24 hour without land was probably called exploration.
I love that the Carthaginians saw gorillas as another, more primitive type of people. It makes perfect sense though. Back then, anyone who didn't speak your language was considered as not-entirely-human. Human psychology was oriented around family/kin/tribe for a long time. This is why people could commit acts of utter barbarity to one another -- they didn't view each other as an equal and could not sympathize. Only in the last few hundred years, humans have learned to give another human being an inherent value just for being human and to generate empathy. Makes you appreciate those ancient explorers even more...
Never knew this thank you. I wish you could have covered just briefly, at the end, the places hypothesized that they stopped at as compared to the modern locations.
The amount of money that must have been poured into this great exhibition just to have the ships return with gorilla skins No wonder they never went back
The drawing from 14:08 depicts a royal procession in the Benin empire (in modern day Nigeria). 15:09 depicts art of Shaka Zulu from the Zulu kingdom in South Africa and the last picture also depicts southern African people in case anyone was wondering. Also none of these drawings are even contemporary with the 6th century B.C Great video but these drawings were oddly out of place for this topic.
I am super exited to be talking about the overlooked explorers of antiquity! You can check out the actual records of the Periplus of Hanno here: www.livius.org/articles/person/hanno-1-the-navigator/hanno-1-the-navigator-2/
I wonder. Have you made a video on the Medjay. Probably not. Your probably really busy.
Thanks for the link. The English translation of the text is given with parallel annotations which are super interesting.
Awesome video! Very interesting topic, keep up the great content!
@@brokenbridge6316 I have actually given that a thought as a "Unit of History" episode
@@InvictaHistory---Okay. Sounds good. Hope the video is up soon.
Carthage is so massively underrated in the field of history
@Ironclaw XII Rome's society was not tough as nails. For centuries afterwards Romans remained frightened of the very name Hannibal, almost like a boogeyman. The reality is, Rome simply outmatched Carthage in one thing and one thing only. Manpower. Sure, Carthage had a better framework for conducting warfare, literally inventing the combined arms model of war. With Mago's reforms, Carthage invented the Pilum equipped heavy infantry as checkboard positioned units that rendered the Phalanx obsolete. The so called 'Phalanx with joints' designed to break up turtling Greeks in Sicily and then the Falcata goes to do its bloody work. The Romans copied this and it's now called a Legion. Romans copied the Carthaginians mass production capabilities for ships by reverse engineer a captured vessel. Copied Carthage's governing systems as well. Carthage was the first republic and had a much more complex civic system than Rome. Non of this mattered. Rome could afford to raise army after army and bludgeon Carthage to death with sheer numbers alone.
@Ironclaw XII That was a sad and pathetic attempt at internet smacktalk. They weren't "tough as nails", whatever the frak that means. They were normal human beings with the knowledge that they could re-enter the war with a decade when their next round of able bodied men reached puberty but their enemy could not. You can beat your chest as much as you like, call a stranger on the internet names and try desperately to prove some ancient people, who's character outside of imagination is unknown to anyone, are somehow "tough". But that's weird and childish and wrong.
@Ironclaw XII LMAO take your meds
We are here to correct that 👌🏾
@Ironclaw XII You can call them tough for not giving up, but mind that Hannibal's forces also didn't give up - and stayed for over a decade in hostile territories, short of reinforcements, while the Romans were stationed on home ground.
Carthaginians: * find gorillas *
Gorillas: uhuhuhuaaaaaaHHHHHHREEEEE
Carthaginians: Wanna do bussiness?
As the old saying goes,
"Apes together strong"
@@marrqi7wini54 Did you just call Carthaginians apes?? :O
Carthagineans had a Trading fever for sure. Even harder than Venice's
Carthaginians *find eskimos*
Also carthaginians: Wanna buy some ice? A snowcone?
And that's how Carthage first imported bananas.
Herodotus : * creates History *
Also Herodotus : *THERE IS GIANT ANTS THE SIZE OF FOXES IN INDIA*
There still is. They are just hiding...
@@Isleep-walking I know it, this is a plot against the dwelling people who shrieked like bats in Libya...
Apparently those were some sort of Himalayan Marmot, iirc. They are, very roughly, the size of foxes, and have their dens mostly underground.
Maybe they went home?
They made all those voyages up just sleeping by olive tree but they did have a written language.
Meanwhile the Vikings did all the exploring but did not have a written language so we don't know.
Greeks: oooo past the Pillars of Hercules is nothing but sure death spooky
Punics: sounds like i could trade there
I suspect sea monsters tales were used to conceal profitable trade routes.
@HanselManCan the Phonecians from the Levant already had an established trade route all the way to the Tin islands in modern southern England since the Bronze age. but it was a secret route they only knew about. I believe the Carthaginians wanted to take over that trade route after all they were Phonecians too.
@HanselManCan of course, was just writing from the common dichotomy we see of the Greek and Punic trade, exploration, and colonization, how the Punic peoples seemed to rove more widely and dynamically for the purposes of international trade primarily, whereas the Greeks did it more for finding land for colonies to feed the homeland (hence finding no use in colonies so far away from Greece until the later periods, when they started more dynamic and opportunistic trading in earnest)
@@jammy7915
*carthaginians
@@hannibalbarca8411 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punics
Often the terms are used interchangeably, and i prefer Punic as there had to have been explorers from other cities both before and during Carthage's hegemony, and describing pre-Carthaginian explorers as Carthaginian seems misleading on the achievements of those cities and their peoples. It would be misleading to call the achievements of Latins and Etruscans as Roman even tho they were soon eclipsed by the Roman peoples, even as Latin and Roman can be used interchangeably also. Purely intellectual of a differentiation tho so to each their own
"The darkness can be frightening, but it is also an invitation to those with torches." That's deep, man.
It's so nice to learn about Carthage outside of the Punic Wars. Excellent video!
Remember when this was a total war channel? This is one of my favorite history channels, but it's strange knowing this was once a gaming channel.
i remember oakley doing those rome 2 vlogs and weekly online battles.good days.
Dude I first found this channel when I was black out drunk, I sat near my toilet all night and watched the total war videos because I was too drunk/sick to sleep. Both the channel and I have come a long way since then and we’ve been friends since that night❤️
I remember! It used to be called Oakley Total War right? He made Rome II videos about using real historical tactics in multiplayer battles.
@@lite4998
The Phoenicians were cowards and the army of Carthage were Berbers
Eᑎᗩᔕ lol what compelled you to tell me this exactly? xD
Hairy people, known as gorillas.. fascinating
Who said know as gorillas ? You're interpreting the images he's showing as the truth but even he, I'm sure, would not say it is gorillas for sure.
@@cortexavery1324 'I am sure for sure?' Is this Carthaginian language?
LOL it was true though
@@cortexavery1324 But he literally did say Gorillae like did you watch the video? I'm sure that's a Greek translation but like it's still what the text said.
@@cortexavery1324 In fact, the word "gorilla" comes from this account from Hanno. When the animal was classified, they referenced Hanno's travels to name it.
Ancient Carthaginians: *sees gorillas*
"Gee those sure are some hairy people."
So...we filleted a couple of their women and brought their skins home with us.
I am surprised they didn't note how fat they were as it was one obvious trait Gurrelilas have....I gues Political Correctness existed back then as well!
Carthage is so underrated by modern pop culture( film, books and video games)
im tunisian and i live in modern day carthage and sadly little tunisian know about the full carthagian history
Good, lets keep it that way. don't want to see black hannibals.
@@lordaragorn001 Lol.
Weren't Carthaginans simply from the Phoenician civilization ? I think the underrated ones are juste the Phoenicians in general, often ignored despite their positive influence on the Greeks.
@@xenotypos carthaginians were phoenician, but i think after tyre collapsed/fell from prominence, Carthage grew more than tyre ever did
I can never hear enough of Carthage. Amazing video.
Just imagine being the translator for Hanno, hardly leaving your village, then these people on boats talk to you who then take you so far away neither of you know the language and look very different from you
Hanno: first day on the job and your doing shit
The translator: * sad translator noises *
You don't need to imagine, you can just go to a random country and find out
Imagine being a translator for Hanno, and your expedition leader says you have to ask a bunch of gorillas if they're interested in trade with Carthage.
For the Celtic world languages would've been fairly close, so from Britain, down the French Atlantic & Mediterranean coast plus parts of Spain the structure & many words would be reasonably decipherable.
@@johntitor1256 lmfao Greetings, we have elegant pearls from our country, could you take us to your king?
Harambe's 15th great grandfather "Grunt, *sniff, hoo hoo huh"
Well if Himilco made it to Cornwall, then I suppose his mission to find the Tin Isles was a success.
Why
@@MegaBarnacle Because historically there was a lot of tin in Cornwall.
He was after cider
Well yeah, they didn’t know Cornwall was a peninsula. They thought it was an island: the tin islands
"And even related generas, like science and true crime, which are historical in nature." Huh, I've heard like six different youtubers repeat this phrase. Let people put in in their own words, Magellan!
The Phoenicians were cowards and the army of Carthage were Berbers
Hey Invicta! I would love to know or see one of your videos on how armies communicated during battles? :) how they carried out tactics etc. huge fan :)
That's a pretty good idea. I'll see if we can cook something up for that.
Invicta legend! Look forward to it :)
Invicta Awesome! Will be waiting for it!
How Napoleon did it: "Advance towards the sound of gunfire."
@@frommy725 Damn man, great suggestion Dave!
Hope Invicta does it... I'm kinda excited on how communication of armies changed between generals, armies, and time.
Last time I was this early bronze was still the best.
I was a little late. I was still running for President in 1860. Few thousand years off sadly.
I'm a bit late, now iron is trending
While bronze may be terribly clever, stone was all my old dad needed to feed a family of as many hands as I have and then more than that
@@termeownator
The Phoenicians were cowards and the army of Carthage were Berbers
@@ياالله-ج9م okay
I for one would love to see an animated series of Hanno exploring the ancient world.
What about an open world game
@@chaun9521 haha that would be a huuge open world to cover :D
@chaun9521 That would be really entertaining!
I was thinking the exact same thing
Carthage was on Alexander’s “next to do” list
Then he remembered Carthage was boss and didn't want to get spanked like the Spartans in Libya and did a 180 at Egypt LMAO
@@octo1894 To be fair, the Spartans didn't want those guys anyway. A real boss is Syracuse. Those are some tough bastards.
@@hyperion3145 What makes Syracuse special? They were just Ionians before the Dorian genocide twisted the demographics. By the time Carthage had colonized the Island, in the words of the Malchus "the sons of Tyre have conquered all of Sicily" Syracuse under Hiero was an ally/client city of Carthage. Besides, among all the Greek tribes, the Thebans had the most refined martial prowess.
imo of course. Thebes is highly underrated
@@octo1894 bruh didnt you see how much resistance Syracuse gave to both rome and Carthage?
7:18 100 km = 54 nautical miles (in case anyone was wondering like me)
As for the Tin Islands, Brittany and Cornwall were indeed big sources of tin in Antiquity (Brittany isn't an island, but it contains islands).
c64 miles, not 54.
@@2bingtim You're confusing nautical miles and regular miles.
@@HungryLoki Ah, quite right thanks.
dat Runescape tin ore rock at 11:25 LMAO I love you
I've learned so much about Carthage from you. All I had known from history lessons and age of empires that it was an enemy of Rome and that they had war elephants
It's a fascinating civilization, I wish to learn more about it
I like very much these Carthaginian videos. It's an underrated culture. If it wasn't Rome, I'm sure a world under Carthage wouldn't be bad at all either.
I feel the same way! The fact that these guys were settling/colonizing distant far off lands is just so cool.
Carthage would have to change if it was to eat the mediterranean up for lunch. I really can't imagine Carthaginians would even do it when being a good general didn't mean advancement of political life.
Roman generals did it because they accidentally created a cycle. A cycle of soldiers needing land for their retirement -> needing soldiers to have more land.
The Punic Wars may be one of the most important wars in history for that reason,it changed the face of the western Mediterranean and of Europe,if Carthage won,Europe would be celtic instead of latin and more german than today
@@alphagamer9505 There would also be a lot more people without all that genocide.
@@RobinTheBot we cant know that
I need more reactions from Hanno when encountering gorillas, they must have thought they were part human
i think they were bonobos
@@johngarcia1340 You might be right. Kind of hard to believe they chased Gorillas into trees captured a few females and all they did was bite their arms. Even true chimps would have done more damage let alone Gorillas. Either way to think they were human is wild to my modern thought process
If the depiction of the Gorilli is the one we think it's funny to think that people from that era thought they were other kind of hairy people 🤔
Well they had met Greeks before
@@gabrielinostroza4989 until the Turks and Armenians came along.
They probably thought humans could have very different appearances in far away regions back then now we know the only differences are skin color and eye shape but back then they assumed that there where people far away that looked like a completely different species.
@@belstar1128 They we lucky they did not sail to Sudan and meet the tribe where almost everyone is over 6ft tall.
Another commenter made a good point in that we’re reading a abridged translation of a translation etc, so they might not have necessarily thought the gorillas were human, just the language they used to describe them makes it seem that way.
I love this series on Carthage! Please continue onward; you guys are awesome!
They mistaken gorillas for people im dead 💀
But did they? "Hairy people" could be people with long hair and men with beards. Why mention their sex? Gorillas don't have prominent sex features. They all look the same. Makes me wonder if it wasn't just an extremely savage and feral group they encountered.
@@billparker244 but the interpreters called them gorillas
Bill Parker It also says they flayed and skinned them. If they where actually people that may have been a bigger deal.
Well in antiquity people were aware of the similarities of apes and men.
Also, could have been chimps as they describe many males. And even a single silverback protecting his harem is a bit of problem even with a spear in hand.
Bill Parker perhaps you are right. After we do have feral people and a few tribes we have not had contact with. Migration is a thing. They could have just moved away after Rome showed up.
5:09 okay but when the mixtape dropping fam?
MC Victa
@@blackbreakfast1256
The Phoenicians were cowards and the army of Carthage were Berbers
Invicta: "Almost a fourth of the diameter of the Earth!"
Polinesians: "Lol, newbs..."
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I once talked to a girl from Tunisia online,we had a good discussion on History,the people of Tunisia are very much aware of their history,like how ancient Carthage gave the Greeks their alphabet,and that “,Hannibal Barca “is a important figure in the history of their country,and indeed is a important figure of their identity ..The people of Tunisia and as well as Lebanon know the achievements of the great Phoenician civilisation..They are a Very proud and great people..
Peter Roberts..Thre inhabitants of Tunisia today have no history or relation to ancient Carthagenians who were mainly native black and brown Africans of their lands.There is plenty info on ancient Africa today,but not on whitewashed videos.The videos of( Black Carthage) and ANCIENT INHABITANTS OF CARTHAGE are only a small amount of evidence on this subject.
@@matiusbond6052 modern Tunisinians have nothing to do with Phoenicians and chartage, but they were absolutely not blacks 🤣🤣🤣 we have tons of descriptions and affrescos of Phoenicians by Romans, celts and Greeks, and they were similar to whites/Arabs/jews, they had an "European-middle eastearn" phenotype, just like sumerians, assyrians and other people of middle east and Mesopotamia
I like how he took the gorilla's woman like they were just other humans with lots of hair, it's kind of cute in a horrifying they kidnapped the female gorillas sort of way...
Kidnapping was a normal way of first contact back then. Columbus did it.
How are you going to teach and learn a language if you are not talking? How are you going to talk if they run from you?
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 colombus and carthage are not really the same time period, and there was man expeditions made by the greeks, the phoenicians and the chinese which although going in unknown territory did not involve kidnaping. Even Hannos made several first contacts without kidnapping. It is not to be rationalised, accepted yes, but rationalised to the point of saying it's "normal way of first contact"... My oh my...
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 peopel only star running away when you start killing them...
@@trla6505 People have been killing others since times immemorial, and strangers are to be assumed to be dangerous, especially if they are armed and in large numbers.
But of course you are talking about modern people in London, Paris or New York, protected by hundreds of ships, thousands of police and million soldiers and knowing no unknown threats on the entire planet, which is mapped from space by satellites good enough to read a license plate.
In that you are right.
and then they skinned them and took them back as trophies. ancient people didn't fuck around, i think we can all agree on that.
Imagine seeing a gorilla and not having any idea what it is. “Why is this hairy person biting me?!”
Maybe something's lost in translation and they WERE people.
@@billparker244 bruh.........that means they flayed people...........
Actual gorillas don't defend them selfs with stones people do
@@nvmtt Yeah, it sounds terrible, but I've heard of other people getting flayed in antiquity too. The more "civilized" people back then would dehumanize what they would consider lesser civilized humans. The Romans for example looked down their snobby noses at the Celts. There was also no such thing as the UN like we have today for shaming countries that violate human rights. Although, it's currently broken when it comes to China lol
I'm not saying I 100% believe it, but it's interesting to ponder.
@@billparker244
The Phoenicians were cowards and the army of Carthage were Berbers
First time I've actually heard the accounts of this voyage in detail, thank you 🙏🏻
I live in Rhode Island in the Northeast USA. There is a wildlife refuge here (Parker Woodland Audubon Society in Coventry, Rhode Island) which contains hundreds of large stone cairns. It is not known who built them, European settlers and local Indians both did not build in this way. It is speculated that the ancient Celts or Phoenicians may have built them.
I forgot how underrated this channel is, thanks for the hard work!
is it though? it has around 830,000 subs. Thats quite a bit in the history community
@@skizzik121 lol "the history community" isn't so much of a thing on YT. People are interested in history, many people, in and outside of academia. Documentary channels are testament to that. This channel does good documentaries, yes on history, so well that I would consider this to be underrated on RUclips.
Come on Herodotus i'm from the famous moroccan atlas mountains and i eat living things and i dream
Are you the Chinese guy whom eat things?
@@largavidaalosdodosn6931
Dude what are you talking about, I'm a proud mediterenean berber from the western side of north africa aka Moorish or Moroccan, what's china had to do with me?? lol, Herodotus said that the inhabitans of the atlas mountains don't eat living thing meaning they only eat plants, so i said that we do eat living things of course not when they are alive like you said lol
@@largavidaalosdodosn6931
I'm from the country that colonized for 800 years the country that colonized you lol
@@twitchlite398 dude was a joke, you're taking this too much serious 🤦🏿♂️
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Are you sure you dream? Nobody else can see your dreams, so how can we know? All Europians and North Africans have one connected consciousness, so we can see each others dreams, but not Moroccan. You see, everything is scientific. Big brain.
This was an awesome video. I loved it. One thing the Roman's will never have over the Carthaginians is exploration. Hey has anyone ever heard of any great Roman explorers?
Caesar explored Gaul and the coast of Britain; even wrote a book about it.
Romans were only interested in Plunder and as for exploring like trading in spices from India they rely on the local population to sail the dangerous seas.
Roman merchants reached the baltic sea several time, not to mention the fleet that sailed all around Great Britain. There were regular voyages to India for trade and some roman merchants allegedly reached China. The Romans were fully capable of building big ocean capable ships.
@@dayros2023---I know the Roman's were capable of building great ships. But did any great explorers arise from this civilization. And please don't mention Caesar. He wasn't really interested in exploration.
@@brokenbridge6316 he wasn't interested in it but he still did it lmfao
Beautiful story. I love learning new things because of yall. Thank you
Can we talk about the fact that they skinned gorillas - even worse, they skinned gorillas even despite thinking that they were skinning humans? That's quite grimy.
Everyone in the mediterranean sacrificed children for religious purposes so yeah it’s already metal
@@teamcastro9187 not everyone but Carthage did
This guy's presentation voice has much improved - very well done diction.
I had previously read that same story of Hanno’s journey down the coast of Africa and found it very interesting and a little bizarre, but had forgotten the author and his civilization, besides thinking it somewhat Greco-Roman-ish (altar to Neptune, Greek-sounding place names) but I realize those are probably due to whoever translated the abridged version and I’ll never make the mistake of overlooking Carthage again.
Making it to Guinea Coast seems very optimistic when it took 15th century people decades of naval instrument innovation, new sailing techniques and new types of vessels for it to be achieved.
I just woke-up with a horrible realization - I forgot to like this video!
It's so troll to bring up the northern expedition than find out it's classified, lol. Now I'm more curious than ever...
If I had a nickel for every time Magellan was mentioned in this video, i would have one more than expected.
Amazing! More episodes about ancient expeditions please! This is such an interesting topic.
Just brilliant content, more Carthage please!
Can you imagine what it was like to see a huge active volcano for the first time, having had no previous knowledge that such things existed. Just wow.
Hanno: Just... one... more... mile...
But seriously, I wonder If George Martin based Corlys Velaryon on Hanno or that Chinese captain..
Miguel Montenegro I thought the exact same while watching the video. Maybe GRR made Corliss the archetypal representation of all the great explorers from antiquity to late medieval times.
Zheng He is the name you're looking for.
But yes, Hanno, Zheng He, Columbus, Magellan, Cook, and many more that came before or after them. These are just some of the more known explorers that could all be represented by Corlys Velaryon.
Love your documentaries about antic explorers, military and way of life! I can hear your voice in the next video: "Today we will discuss about Pytheas of Massalia and his voyages to the North." Thank you for your content
When encountered for the first time by ancient explorers, apes where initially mistaken for people. Which is rather telling.
I noticed that you used a geographical maps with the ancient coastline.
For example there is a gulf in the SW of Spain where now is the Doñana national park.
Congrats!
Thinking about Carthage makes me break out in tears
It's a
Good day, For going to sea
Hanno the navigator said to me
@Il Bugiardo dell'Umbria it's because it's a song by Al Stewart, a very catchy one ruclips.net/video/2sYIJyy5X14/видео.html
The details on the journey to the western coast if Africa are mind-blowing. What an incredible adventure. It is fascinating to hear about what peoples thought upon discovering thing we are very familiar with now.
Great video, thanks you for your work!
What happened to the cities they created after Carthage fall because the Romans never went down that far on the Atlantic cost?
Did they survive and if so what became of them?
I don't sure why but I have a special interest in learning about civilizations who had strong determination and senses of oversea exploration and colonization. Fascinating! Keep up your works
When you're so good at doing it that even ancient aliens theorists just sit and buy your goods.))
Hey Invicta, I really like these "How they did it." I just watched the growing up as a child in rome.
Excellent subject. Two observations: (1) the fact that each of Hanno's ships would have held 500 persons is sort of glossed over. That is a monumental accomplishment, if true. If true, then this mission was indeed colonial just as much as expeditionary. They really did drop large numbers of Carthaginians in these various settlements they established along the African coast. This may have been one of the largest focused colonial ventures in history. (2) Re: the "gorillas," it's unlikely that Carthaginians, who were familiar with macaques, would have called apes humans. It's possible that the beings that they encountered were a lost species of hominid, hairy yet far more human than apes. They are still today finding new species in certain vast expanses of the Congo, still one of the largest unexplored regions on earth. As Pliny the Elder said, "There is always something new out of Africa."
One of the very best episode! Thanks a lot for the informative subjects you put up here!
The gorilla thing made me realice that humans will not see elves or dwarve like diferent races rather more like "humans with pointy ears" and small humans
Really interesting! Big thank you for making this video!
There's rock art in the nordic countries that suggests that a mediterranean civilization came as far north as at least the area around Southern Norway and Sweden and Denmark.
Basically, whoever carved them must have seen such ships themselves at some point with their own eyes.
That *could* be the expedition from Carthage...
Really loved this. I would love more expeditions. Infact this would make a great RUclips channel by itself
So Spain ,Portugal ,Morocco
were the countries in edge of the world back then .
Non plus ultra
@ruben champollion
I thought that was the vikings
This was brilliant to watch, it would have been such an incredible time to part of.
This is wonderful! I was wondering about early Mediterranean dwellers going off to explore beyond the pillars. So many questions! How long did Hanno's expedition take? Were there further expeditions that followed? What was the fate of all of the colonies they established?
I had a test about antiquity yesterday and Carthago was a prime subject, if only this video has been released a day or 2 sooner haha
Why haven't we seen movies of Hanno's adventures! There needs to be material for dozens in the Carthaginians contributions to the ancient and modern world.
Thank you very much for all the videos about Carthage!
Anything related to Carthage, im here to watch :)
so underrated unfortunately
As a cuneiformist and historian of Mesopotamia I always cringe when I hear the name Herodotus. That man wrote speculative fiction about foreign lands, spicing it up for the audience at home - so I really appreciate it that you are taking a stab at this idol!
Not all of it is so rubbish - just strangely described. “Hole dwelling people who made bat shrieks” could be an uncivilized tribe that made dugouts and did animals calls/war cries and they do. “Men who don’t eat or dream” is probably just monks who fast (maybe often, maybe only during day, maybe certain weeks) and don’t dream (mediation, natural medical remedy for deeper sleep?). Many accounts were taken from other people, so yes he’s not accurate and likely embellished some stories, but there’s truth to some weird bits.
Eᑎᗩᔕ Not even entirely accurate and you’re telling me this why??
This was EXCELLENT! Thank you
As the British Isles were one of the primary source of tin in Europe since the early bronze age, so Himilco was right to search for certain islands of tin :)
Crazy. Literally heard of these two today in the History of Ancient Greece podcast EP 29
are there colonies of Carthage that have survived in population?
This was mind-blowing! Awesome stuff really! If you have more data of ancient explorations please make a video about it!
At around 100BC, in a Trieme, how far can you go with sea shore out of sight? Could anyone go straight from Cathage to Marseilles without stopping at Sicily etc.? 24 hour without land was probably called exploration.
This documentary is wonderful, thank you so much for all your effort
great to see rarely the credited efforts of these masterful sailors commented on, many more please
Fantastic! What an amazing life to live.
I feel sad for the two poor Gorilli women.
That's crazy they thought/considered the gorillas to be "people"... That kind of makes my mind race.
Hanno's expedition should become a film!
A small correction, it's Vasco da Gama, not de Gama
just a single letter
@@arzentvm It means completely different things in Portuguese
@@arzentvm I tend to agree with small errors but this single letter is pretty important lol.
oh wow I totally overlooked that thanks
@@arzentvm That's why he said "small correction"
I love that the Carthaginians saw gorillas as another, more primitive type of people. It makes perfect sense though. Back then, anyone who didn't speak your language was considered as not-entirely-human. Human psychology was oriented around family/kin/tribe for a long time. This is why people could commit acts of utter barbarity to one another -- they didn't view each other as an equal and could not sympathize. Only in the last few hundred years, humans have learned to give another human being an inherent value just for being human and to generate empathy. Makes you appreciate those ancient explorers even more...
Ah yes, Phoenicia, Greece and Britain, the countries so good at colonizing their colonies started making more colonies.
Carthaginian: Wanna trade?
Monke: ???
Carthaginian: Take their skin!
well if we're talking about explorers i think Pytheas needs a mention
Is that the Massilian who discovered the Arctic circle?
@@dannybrown2099 yes!
Never knew this thank you.
I wish you could have covered just briefly, at the end, the places hypothesized that they stopped at as compared to the modern locations.
If only Rome didn't destroy carthage
Well they did commit human sacrifice
this video was perfect. i feel less troubled and learned something in the process
Wait, they didn’t sail off the edge of the ocean/world?? 😏
They didn't buy the proper dlc's.
Vlad Tudor Miron lol
Because the world infinitely spawns new land. You should know this.
Excellent video
The amount of money that must have been poured into this great exhibition just to have the ships return with gorilla skins
No wonder they never went back
Himilco frl has that plug mentality going straight to the supply
The drawing from 14:08 depicts a royal procession in the Benin empire (in modern day Nigeria). 15:09 depicts art of Shaka Zulu from the Zulu kingdom in South Africa and the last picture also depicts southern African people in case anyone was wondering. Also none of these drawings are even contemporary with the 6th century B.C Great video but these drawings were oddly out of place for this topic.
Thank you so much for sharing, this one was absolutely astonishing to watch.
I love your diagrams and cartoons! Your history is always on par!