....the police found brain fragments and blood at the crime scene, they even took pictures...there was evidence of a crime. HOW then, did Heidi end up working in the DR as a maid? Tyler Perry doesn't bother to take the time to just write a decent, well planned out, developed script. If you've seen one TP movie you've seen them all..
There was never a Golden Age of Tyler Perry. Black people were and still are starved to see themselves represented in films. Due to being underrepresented in film, black audiences were willing to ignore the fact that his movies are mediocre at best. His movies do not have in-depth storylines such as a Spike Lee. He came into prominence due to his Madea character which went from the stage to movies. Even those are a poor imitation of Eddie Murphy playing different characters so nothing original. Tyler has made good in Hollywood because his movies are like black soap operas. Yet for those of us who prefer more substance in films, he is not a very good filmmaker.
There was a TP era my bruddah. Just like hip-hop, every movie is NOT meant to have SUBSTANCE!!! Some are just meaningless fluff, meant to entertain it's core audience. We can critique, but look take his movies for what they are, and enjoy them or not. Just don't EXPECT cerebral, groundbreaking or intellectually challenging FILMS from him, and you're experience may be different... That is all.
@504 You are simply pointing out the obvious. Of course, there is a " Core Audience for his movies" There is a core audience for plenty of things that are mediocre and actually pretty poorly done. I had a lengthy conversation with the president of Sony Pictures years back. He told me that "movies and television are not about quality it's about who will watch it. " He went on to say if you put a test pattern on television if it gets good ratings that is what is going to get green-lit in Hollywood. Movies are there to be critiqued good, bad, or indifferent. It's time-consuming and it's time you will never get back. Tyler Perry movies have their place in the same way a Lifetime movie has. Yet compared to great films they are not very good.
You’re right. I always knew his movies were low quality, but I actually enjoy B-movies and bad movies. I looked at his movies as camp. I can see now the past few years, it was not camp, it was in fact terrible writing from someone who is narcissistic enough to think they have no room for improvement.
@@LizNeptuneyesssssss same! It was after Confessions of a Marriage Counselor movie I was done. I was like ooooohhh this man has issues . The thing is he doesn’t respect the actors and actresses. Why not use your influence to bring in folks to write and direct. He is such an opportunity hoarder(that and a union buster) Imagine if Issa Rae had her own studio, I’d be plugged in !
I was so upset Kelly got half nude for THIS...😂 I wish they would have just did a love story together. They had a great on screen chemistry. Tyler dropped the ball and wrote the wrong script for these two actors
You’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about Tyler because A. NDAs and B. He doesn’t hire many people. If you go back and google some of the writers who previously worked for him they have MANY allegations that he broke WGA guidelines including not paying or properly crediting them.
Not you thinking that NDA’s stops people in the industry from talking 😂😂 but you’re right about the writers! That’s why he doesn’t deal with them. But since he’s really the only show in town, people probably keep mum.
I respected old school Tyler Perry, daddy’s little girls, why I get married, the family that preys etc. He hasn’t made a film in years that I liked . And honestly this new one was just a revamp of temptation mixed with a fall from grace. It was extremely incoherent and just unbelievable
Excellent points made. However when it comes to casting, if we're trying to make the story somewhat realistic, everyone can't be super fine and attractive. I'm sorry that's just not the real world. When all the characters in a movie are super attractive, it gives me campy soap opera vibes. I'd rather have a character with a lot of personality that draws me in through their acting, opposed to a pretty face that can't act their way out of a soap commercial. When I see a Tyler Perry movie with a bunch of super attractive men and women, I almost always expect some bad acting. And I'm sorry but a pretty face can't make up for bad acting. 🤷🏾♀️
I 100% agree. Which makes me feel like he has ulterior motives. The men in his films are super super good looking. Adrian Conrad from “Nobody’s Fool” comes to mind. He, to me, is the most attractive man on the planet 😂 but his acting was HORRIBLE in that movie, and he was wayyyy younger than Tika Sumpter. Why?
When the mom said, "Stab her!" I cackled lmao. Like, like girl what??? The end felt like he watched Get Out recently and tried to shoehorn the same ending. My friends and I watched it the other day, and I 100% agree with you that Jimmy (Ronreaco Lee) was the only one who managed to ignore the bad direction enough to act lol. I've seen a lot of these actors in other things, and they were decent to really good, so it just shows how bad scripts and bad direction can really fuck with actors sometimes. Kelly's been in a couple of rom-coms, which were 1000% better than her acting here. You're also definitely right regarding the plot/writing -- every line was exposition, and it felt like I was reading the character descriptions half the time. His work has never been great, but at least you could see somewhat more care in his earlier movies. The scripts are always stereotypical and heavy-handed... but I wouldn't at least be watchable if you want a campy time. These Netflix movies?? Borderline unwatchable; this is better than a Fall from Grace (a low bar, lol), but if I wasn't watching it with other people, idk if I would make it to the end. Bro, get a writer's room; refusing to hire additional writers is not a flex. IN FACT, it's a fucking normal part of the industry to have writing teams, especially for shows. And for movies, please get a writing partner and give your staff a realistic filming schedule. This 5 days, 20 days bullshit is honestly disrespectful to everyone on set; you're making them look bad, tbh. As you said, he can't ride the "look how many Black actors" I hire talking point when he doesn't hire Black writers, care about the hair/wigs of the Black women acting in his films, or give the Black staff enough time to do their jobs well. Additionally sick of him because he recently said he's going to (and has started) use AI to generate video footage and "no longer have to travel locations or build a set." So... he cares about his ability to stay rich and make money and not the lives of people in the industry who do location scouting, set design, build props, etc.
What bugged me most was that Kelly and Tre were running around on morning shows and internet publications, talking about how excited they are about the film. I feel gas lighted. Tyler is the proverbial emperor with no damn clothes. As far as the beautiful people being cast… I feel like there is an abundance of people willing to get on camera and look cute and not have to do any acting. I’d rather look at people who look like the people I see on a daily basis, that reflect the varied states of humanity, and most importantly will make me feel something with their acting. Will make me think about the character they’re representing, and the importance of the story.
Tyler says he wrote all of those films in 2019...I believe it...he uses the same formula, so all he does is change the names of the characters, the locations and the title of the movies.
I appreciate your review, especially from another filmmaker. I think the reason Tyler writes his character as sort of caricatures is because he said himself lives in isolation, physical and mental.Unless one has a very great imagination ( Tyler really really does NOT) you have to be around people, lots of different kinds of people in order to write fleshed out great characters and dialogue.
16:00 they did care before he made his first movie, Diarrhea of a Mad Black Woman." They tried to tell him he wasn't ready to make movies and he lied to his audience and said they were blackballing him because they were racist. I will never forget that.
@Liz Neptune your critique is spot on! I took scriptwriting classes decades ago. A writer must "show" the audience what they want us to know not "tell" it with the characters lines. That's basic scriptwriting 101 tips.
Best example of him writing like the audience doesn't get it: "why did I get married." "Hey I'm a doctor a very successful pediatrician and you're a lawyer." It gets on my nerves!
Tyler doesn’t give a damn what any of us think. If we don’t like his movies, we’re just going to have to create our own. That’s what Tyler did. It’s the only response that makes sense. He ain’t changing a thing.
His bad writing is why I became a screenwriter 🤯 and he does not put time in any of his projects especially his tv shows 🤦🏾♀️ how long is one day in any of his scripts 😤
@BonitaGardner when i was sick and bedridden, I started watching Sistas. It was trash but i just needed something to watch and it was on. I realized quickly it was trash and one day could stretch on for multiple episodes, making the story unnecessarily long. I came back after having not watched the show for a very long time and i knew what was going on because nothing had changed. The characters were all having the same issues. Even now there's a character on there that has been on the same pregnancy for several seasons. It's ridiculous.
I'm so glad I wasn't just being critical. I thought it was not the best at all but I'm not a professional. It's wonderful to hear ot from a professional's vantage point. Thank you.
This reminds me of the "Blacksploitation" movies from the 1970's: Cleopatra Jones, Coffy, Superfly, Cool Breeze, Black Caesar, and the illustrious: Shaft: (An epic soundtrack with a movie attached to it).
In an interview, Tyler said he found Trevante broke and working in a cafeteria before being cast in The Have and Have Nots. Like, really? You didn't even have to say all that. You can tell he feels like a savior to people. I watched the movie because Trevante starred in it, but his acting was stony and detached. I blame Tyler Perry for that BS.
It's taken me 3 days and I'm at the 35 minute mark. That movie is so genuinely awfully terrible. What pissed me off even more was that the Kelly & Trevante sex scene was to provoke a reaction because the plot line was so trash. I feel they were exploited. A sex scene should add to the film and not be the center of attention, that's all people are talking about.
Your review was 10:10, I love it and you gave props and pointed out the cons. And you look nice. A lot of the ppl doing the reviews look crazy and are not articulate at all. Good job! 👏
I'm not an actor, producer or anything in the Entertainment industry, but I am a movie goer. This movie had a lot of flaws in it that didn't make sense, (i.e. talking to the tv like what TF? LOl) but also had some good areas. I would like to see Tyler allow other key professional industry individuals to review his work for feedback, BEFORE, he put it out. This would help catch areas that he did not see. God bless Ramz
What about the Chicago news in the Domincan Republic ??? It doesn't make no since. If your going to write about something at least make it realistic and Make it make since.
@@LizNeptune ABSOLUTELY. You used the perfect word in your video.. He is a high paid GATEKEEPER helping keep the complexities of our true image locked away from the world. It won't last.
@@Uilaaliiit seems that for billionaires, it’s no fun to be super rich if everyone else isn’t dirt poor. He doesn’t want a young filmmaker to upstage him.
It’s time for him to pass the torch. There are so many super talented writers and directors who could elevate his art and brand to an extraordinary new level. He would not be losing anything but gaining so much. I do agree that this film has opened the door to many fabulous opportunities for the talented, brilliant, beautiful, and sweet Kelly Rowland. I pray for her and her family’s continued success.
Kelly was on this past season of Grown-ish. And I think she's done cameos on a couple of sitcoms. But yeah, the acting wasn't quite... Sigh. People tend to think acting is easy until you see people doing it badly. (Kelly did an okay job, but really, no one could've made that script better.) And I so agree with you about Tyler Perry. Him producing all that stuff that quickly, all by himself, is NOT a flex. I could produce that much that quickly too if I didn't care if it was crap or not.
This is my first time coming across your channel Liz and your commentary about Tyler’s creative process and character presentation is spot on. His work often times does feel “goofy”. How did you feel about the Family that Preys? I thought that was like the last of the box office hits from Tyler. Also, the thumbnail for this video is diabolical 😂.
Diabolical 😂😂 oh I love that word! I can’t lie I was laughing my arse off while making that! 😂😂everyone keeps talking about that one, I honestly haven’t seen it in full. I’ll go and watch it, maybe I’ll make a video about it.
Youre so right about the writing. Ive been writing for 30 plus years. I'll love it to death. Then a week later I'll read it again like 'what is this shit?' REWRITE!!!!
Liz, you said EVERYTHING I was thinking, specifically the "villain uncanny valley" and I loved your breakdown. Thank you for sharing (and for being gorg!) I enjoyed your POV.
Tyler Perry lacks nuance and sophistication. Sooo, either he thinks his audience is dumb or it is that he really is not a good writer, at all. He's just making a money grab at the expense of his people. We went from Spike Lee to this?! My soul is aggrieved.
We have to remember as an audience that Perry has no formal training or film education. It’s clear this script is in need of writers, preferably of color, that have experience in creative writing and screenwriting. Maybe our bar/ standard is just too high.
It’s not because he could take the best writing classes in the world. He could learn how to write so much better in just 6 months of regular classes, even with a private instructor that could COME TO HIS HOME! lol. He doesn’t think he needs improvement though, which is so so crazy.
As for tyler perry writing, some of his movies that arent based on his material have been good but I think people don't realise what type of format he is using. All his movies share the same format tropes of a telenovella with the stereotypical good, stereotypical bad(which if they us a black actor they will use a very dark shade black person to be the most evil and oddly enough the majority has to be a black woman) over acting, shaky sets, and plot twist after plot twist especially towards the end with melodrama throughout. All he's done is package that format for Black america. And its worked because like when they translated some of these telenovellas to english a lot of our people watched it. The madea format for example is very similar to comedy caribbean theatre where they play it for laughs since the eighties where they have a old or plus sized mother/granny figure stereotypical black woman archetype being hammed up by an actress or usually a dude in a dress . At this point i'm convinced he stumbled upon that and telenovellas and put his spin on it. And the industry wants his stuff to be popular and the main form of black american entertainment. Since his earlier films shows he is capable of going beyond his usual nonsense its clear he cannot do that in order to keep his position with the powers that be. And therefore he has shown no real growth as an artist.
Tyler Perry doesn’t just hate his actors, he seems to hate his audience. He looks down on his audiences if they matter nothing more to him than a dollar. Two weeks to film an entire movie?? He may as well be working for Hallmark.
That part where Kelly sleeps with him right after watching him with another woman had me so confused. Who would do that? Imagine the roles being reversed how weird that would look.
I just came here to say I love Kelly Rowland she was the bait to get people's interest because who doesn't want to see her she's so classy and just gorgeous!
Ive never been a Tyler Perry fan. Him bragging about writing those scripts….but the dialogue in the scripts and the psychology and interplay of the characters is 3rd grade level….
Let's not compare spike lee to Tyler P..I know spike can be controversial in his films but the man has been influential in the movie industry and he is respected..people in Hollywood don't respect tp films he is a joke what accolades has TP won
Love your review and your recap was stop on!! Tyler Perry writes like this to drag out these mediocre and awful plot lines. It all comes down to money and budgeting, and timing. He does things lazy and fast. He is also cheap cheap on dialogue/actors. Basically it’s a quick payday for him and he gets to work/put others to work with the least amount of effort as possible and still rake in $$$$.
When im writing, my rule is: "whats you can show, don't say". TP always writes in a way that people don't talk! His characters talk so unrealistically! Lol I absolutely agree with you!
Great recap! I agree with you about the quality of screenwriting today. Movies just aren't as impressive anymore. Now, I just watch them (like I watched "Mea Culpa" earlier) just to have something to look at while I eat my dinner.
Ms. Liz!!!! I was just telling an acquaintance how I had the misfortune of watching this wretched piece of trash. The script and incongruent story line was abominable, to say the least. I feel that by being the sacraficial lamb, I have spared many who've yet to watch it from the pain of giving away two precious hours that they'll never be able to get back. The old adage of one going out on a high note would've applied if he actually took it to heart. Alas, sadly, the hubris of Mr. Perry has caused him to continue on way past his prime.
I watched it last night & had several takes on the film that in my opinion is worst than a tubi movie: 1.) The 2 main characters are terrible actors. 2.) There was basically no plot 3.) The sex scene is absolutely terrible [ who fantasizes about having sex in paint] 4.) So then after a terribly acted movie the finale is so out there that it's laughable [ this woman who weighs 100 lbs soaking wet beats the hell out of 2 men & leaves without a scratch]
Yeah, TP writes a LOT of shows and movies very quickly. The problem? He is NOT a good storyteller, and his lack of creativity is evident in his inability to develop characters. He needs creative writers and an awesome editor. This movie was predictable to me. I figured out so many pieces very early on. There's one thing that I twisted up, but it wouldn't have been unrealistic for TP. I already knew that Ray was setting Zyair up to take the fall for murder, but I initially thought that he (Ray) was cheating on his wife with the Heidi chick, found out she was sleeping with Zyair, and went crazy. He seemed like he could become very violent. "Mea Culpa" was a disjointed hot mess.
"The villain uncanny valley"....that's the perfect way to put it! I've always been annoyed by the lack of nuance and "gray areas" in his characters...like human beings aren't so dichotomous 🤦🏽♀️
Trevante was in”The United States vs. Billie Holiday”. He has a more depth when he’s in something that…HAS MORE DEPTH! I believe all the allegations floating around about Tyler. It’s like he’s STILL clout chasing! 🤦🏽♀️
A really good movie director, and producer needs to study under a master, sort of an apprenticeship, before going through the expensive, highly detailed, and ultra scrutinized process. To his credit: remember the Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, & the Saturday afternoon kung-fu movies? But the real question is: how much money, and how much effort has to be put forth for us to realize that we have better things to do with our time?
The only TP movies I liked was diary of a mad black woman/family the preys. I cannot stand TP. I am proud of him for coming from the bottom but that's it. When I think of an artist, I think of a powerful person with a blank canvas that has the power to depict us in a positive creative way, to the point that it's a vision and a new height that hasn't been reached yet to inspire us to reach for that lofty goal. I feel like Bill Cosby gave us the formula for positive images of ourselves, and explained the importance of them. Most people around the world judge us based on movies. I believe that every bad imagining movie needs at least 3 positive movies to overtake that image. TP is too wealthy not to hire great writers. Even though the black people are moving away from the Oscars, I think writers should be trying to create something Oscar worthy, classic, timeless. TP has never tried to do this. Im starting to think he will get endless funding as long as he doesn't uplift the black community. The black community is highly intelligent. We can handle, and desire intelligent writing, multi-layer and characters, with depth. He brags about writing a movie in a week, not a flex because the product proves that you didn't put any effort in. At this point I think he does it on purpose because it's a quick buck and people keep supporting his trash. As a black man, I cannot stand his imagining it's detrimental to the black community.
There’s a major issue with races in the movie. How do you have mixed race black men with a white mother with a red lace front‼️‼️‼️ then the Mexican girl being in DR?‼️
Tyler mostly has succeeded because we have been desperate for more black movies, not because he is a great writer, editor, storyteller, etc. Tyler minimizes the intelligence of the audience. He needs to move to just being the studio owner and let others with training move forward. Thank you Tyler, but move on to legacy mode.
Mostly what brings Tyler fans to the movies is a good topic and great actors. I usually enjoy the movies and his writing style is good enough for me. It’s similar to a Lifetime movie. As far as the guy’s ex girlfriend, He probably made her Mexican to tap into the money of the Mexican people to start watching his movies. That’s a marketing strategy.
I doubt it… a Mexican actress wasn’t even a main character in the film. Latin audiences do bring big money, but this wasn’t that. Lifetime movies have their place, but he’s trying to pass this off as a high quality film and it’s just not.
Chile 😂 Tyler strikes again 🎉 the acting was horrible, script a mess and confusing and I beleive its another thing they put in our faces in Holly-hood to show what they really do behind closed doors and Kelly with the mess too...and her acting was not good she has been better...that botox in her lip had her stuck 😆 the scene she watched him with the white lady then proceeded to kiss him and they jumped on his bike without him showering first 👀🤢 I had to go pray 🙏 Lord get Tyler Perry 💀
😂😂😂 you had to pray 🙏🏽 😂 that bike scene was so random and didn’t make sense. He was just like, “this seems cool. Let’s add this scene in.” Why? What was the purpose?
I remember when TP was first starting out in television when he said "if they don't want my God in it, they don't want me". He sure fooled us. Now everything he does seems to be low budget low key corn (YT guidelines). And he needs to stop bragging about doing all his own writing....sir, we can tell.
You’re breakdown of the film was great! Listening to how you described the movie had me feeling like I am watching it and I haven’t seen it yet. I just subscribed to your channel and I will like to know your thoughts on indie filmmakers. My sister film “My Side of the Story” just came out on Tubi TV it is a low budget film. But I like to know your thoughts on the movie. We working to make great movies and learning from the mistakes. Thanks
Tyler Perry’s scripts leave a lot to be desired. Repetitious dialogue and tired storylines. Except “ For Colored Girls “, because he didn’t write that script .
Ms. Neptune please make a biopic about the Sandra Bland story. In Africa e.g Rwanda they see the bad, really bad character, dark skin and the light skin character portayed as good. I trust that your films are very believable. Idris Elba was one darker hero. I agree that Mr. Perry does cast good actors and beautiful people. I wish him future success, if he will take advice.
Santo Domingo does not have any beaches that look like those pictured in the movie why did they lie and why was Kelly the only one wearing a running outfit with a hoodie on the beach it just bothered me so
I don't think Tyler Perry can do better....he has no talent. Tyler can get a Masters degree at NYU film school and STILL be horrible because he has no talent.
Kelly was a guest star on a HIT sitcom The Hughley’s ,Taina, Eve, Girlfriends, Empire, Grownish, and many movies…. Like Think Like A Man. I understand though… the movies these days are boring, repeats, and predictable.
....the police found brain fragments and blood at the crime scene, they even took pictures...there was evidence of a crime. HOW then, did Heidi end up working in the DR as a maid?
Tyler Perry doesn't bother to take the time to just write a decent, well planned out, developed script.
If you've seen one TP movie you've seen them all..
It seems he did NO RESEARCH on the law and the legal system. I feel like I know more than him just from watching 24 seasons of SVU !!
🫢 didn’t catch it.smh! I was turned off once she entered that man’s house. To do what do quick..nah!
Right!! He is just disrespecting us all now, especially black women. Smh.
There was never a Golden Age of Tyler Perry. Black people were and still are starved to see themselves represented in films. Due to being underrepresented in film, black audiences were willing to ignore the fact that his movies are mediocre at best. His movies do not have in-depth storylines such as a Spike Lee. He came into prominence due to his Madea character which went from the stage to movies. Even those are a poor imitation of Eddie Murphy playing different characters so nothing original. Tyler has made good in Hollywood because his movies are like black soap operas. Yet for those of us who prefer more substance in films, he is not a very good filmmaker.
There was a TP era my bruddah. Just like hip-hop, every movie is NOT meant to have SUBSTANCE!!! Some are just meaningless fluff, meant to entertain it's core audience. We can critique, but look take his movies for what they are, and enjoy them or not. Just don't EXPECT cerebral, groundbreaking or intellectually challenging FILMS from him, and you're experience may be different... That is all.
@504 You are simply pointing out the obvious. Of course, there is a " Core Audience for his movies" There is a core audience for plenty of things that are mediocre and actually pretty poorly done. I had a lengthy conversation with the president of Sony Pictures years back. He told me that "movies and television are not about quality it's about who will watch it. " He went on to say if you put a test pattern on television if it gets good ratings that is what is going to get green-lit in Hollywood. Movies are there to be critiqued good, bad, or indifferent. It's time-consuming and it's time you will never get back. Tyler Perry movies have their place in the same way a Lifetime movie has. Yet compared to great films they are not very good.
You’re right. I always knew his movies were low quality, but I actually enjoy B-movies and bad movies. I looked at his movies as camp. I can see now the past few years, it was not camp, it was in fact terrible writing from someone who is narcissistic enough to think they have no room for improvement.
@@LizNeptuneyesssssss same! It was after Confessions of a Marriage Counselor movie I was done. I was like ooooohhh this man has issues .
The thing is he doesn’t respect the actors and actresses. Why not use your influence to bring in folks to write and direct. He is such an opportunity hoarder(that and a union buster)
Imagine if Issa Rae had her own studio, I’d be plugged in !
@@HUeducator2011100%, the union busting allegations has been a red flag for me for A WHILE. He is a gate keeper!!
Two weeks isn’t nearly long enough to film a movie and it shows !!!
You have no idea.
It's definitely not. You should see how much work I do to film a commercial.
His characters have no layers to them
Nope, just evil monsters or angelic good people who can’t catch a break.
@@LizNeptunejust like the rest of Hollywood movies, stop dogging black folks
The thing is he had A character and didn’t add other characteristics to the role.
Exactly! No character development, no depth, no real character arc. Just lazy, in my opinion
I was so upset Kelly got half nude for THIS...😂
I wish they would have just did a love story together. They had a great on screen chemistry. Tyler dropped the ball and wrote the wrong script for these two actors
Yes! That would have been much better, but knowing Tyler’s writing skills he probably would have f***’d that up too. 😩
You’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about Tyler because A. NDAs and B. He doesn’t hire many people. If you go back and google some of the writers who previously worked for him they have MANY allegations that he broke WGA guidelines including not paying or properly crediting them.
Not you thinking that NDA’s stops people in the industry from talking 😂😂 but you’re right about the writers! That’s why he doesn’t deal with them. But since he’s really the only show in town, people probably keep mum.
I heard that tp team is rude
Exactly!!!
She ain’t lying he’s terrible
I think Kelly did good for her not to be an actress…I totally agree with you on him writing, producing, editing, on his own. He needs fresh eyes
Kelly has done several lifetime movies
She's an actress, wasn't her first movie
That was ugly Kelly not an actress 🤯 yes she is, to me she acts better than Beyoncé 👍🏾
I respected old school Tyler Perry, daddy’s little girls, why I get married, the family that preys etc. He hasn’t made a film in years that I liked . And honestly this new one was just a revamp of temptation mixed with a fall from grace. It was extremely incoherent and just unbelievable
This is so true. It gave the same vibes as those movies!
💯👍🏾
Excellent points made. However when it comes to casting, if we're trying to make the story somewhat realistic, everyone can't be super fine and attractive. I'm sorry that's just not the real world. When all the characters in a movie are super attractive, it gives me campy soap opera vibes. I'd rather have a character with a lot of personality that draws me in through their acting, opposed to a pretty face that can't act their way out of a soap commercial. When I see a Tyler Perry movie with a bunch of super attractive men and women, I almost always expect some bad acting. And I'm sorry but a pretty face can't make up for bad acting. 🤷🏾♀️
Kelly’s acting was terrible.
@@Truthteller978 🤭
I 100% agree. Which makes me feel like he has ulterior motives. The men in his films are super super good looking. Adrian Conrad from “Nobody’s Fool” comes to mind. He, to me, is the most attractive man on the planet 😂 but his acting was HORRIBLE in that movie, and he was wayyyy younger than Tika Sumpter. Why?
Just All of his series on BET. Tyler just throws things together. Never been a fan of his work but for those who are. Enjoy.
He had Becky’s juices on his lips and tongue and Mea had no problem tasting it.
I’m actually CACKLING 😂😂😂
It's a movie, so
When the mom said, "Stab her!" I cackled lmao. Like, like girl what??? The end felt like he watched Get Out recently and tried to shoehorn the same ending.
My friends and I watched it the other day, and I 100% agree with you that Jimmy (Ronreaco Lee) was the only one who managed to ignore the bad direction enough to act lol. I've seen a lot of these actors in other things, and they were decent to really good, so it just shows how bad scripts and bad direction can really fuck with actors sometimes. Kelly's been in a couple of rom-coms, which were 1000% better than her acting here. You're also definitely right regarding the plot/writing -- every line was exposition, and it felt like I was reading the character descriptions half the time.
His work has never been great, but at least you could see somewhat more care in his earlier movies. The scripts are always stereotypical and heavy-handed... but I wouldn't at least be watchable if you want a campy time. These Netflix movies?? Borderline unwatchable; this is better than a Fall from Grace (a low bar, lol), but if I wasn't watching it with other people, idk if I would make it to the end. Bro, get a writer's room; refusing to hire additional writers is not a flex. IN FACT, it's a fucking normal part of the industry to have writing teams, especially for shows. And for movies, please get a writing partner and give your staff a realistic filming schedule. This 5 days, 20 days bullshit is honestly disrespectful to everyone on set; you're making them look bad, tbh. As you said, he can't ride the "look how many Black actors" I hire talking point when he doesn't hire Black writers, care about the hair/wigs of the Black women acting in his films, or give the Black staff enough time to do their jobs well.
Additionally sick of him because he recently said he's going to (and has started) use AI to generate video footage and "no longer have to travel locations or build a set." So... he cares about his ability to stay rich and make money and not the lives of people in the industry who do location scouting, set design, build props, etc.
Kelly was in several Lifetime Christmas movies and she did an amazing job!
I had noooo idea!
@@LizNeptune Yes! Look for Merry Liddle Christmas and Merry Liddle Christmas Baby. I think there are 3 in the series. They are good!
She was in Jason VS Freddie, I think that was her break out movie
My favorite movie of hers is The Seat Filler, a light-hearted rom-com.
I enjoyed Kelly's Christmas movie series:
1) Merry Liddle Christmas
2) Merry Liddle Christmas Wedding
3) Merry Liddle Christmas Baby
What bugged me most was that Kelly and Tre were running around on morning shows and internet publications, talking about how excited they are about the film. I feel gas lighted.
Tyler is the proverbial emperor with no damn clothes.
As far as the beautiful people being cast…
I feel like there is an abundance of people willing to get on camera and look cute and not have to do any acting.
I’d rather look at people who look like the people I see on a daily basis, that reflect the varied states of humanity, and most importantly will make me feel something with their acting. Will make me think about the character they’re representing, and the importance of the story.
I'm sure he put it in their contracts that they had to make the rounds and talk about the movie like it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Like the show The Bear. I think the cast look like average everyday people, but their acting is pretty good.
Tyler says he wrote all of those films in 2019...I believe it...he uses the same formula, so all he does is change the names of the characters, the locations and the title of the movies.
😮
He doesn't care
Facts. Give it 2 years, he’ll make another terrible movie.
I appreciate your review, especially from another filmmaker. I think the reason Tyler writes his character as sort of caricatures is because he said himself lives in isolation, physical and mental.Unless one has a very great imagination ( Tyler really really does NOT) you have to be around people, lots of different kinds of people in order to write fleshed out great characters and dialogue.
I agree and a large part of it is having HELP and editors to check the work. He just doesn’t care that much it seems.
16:00 they did care before he made his first movie, Diarrhea of a Mad Black Woman." They tried to tell him he wasn't ready to make movies and he lied to his audience and said they were blackballing him because they were racist. I will never forget that.
Omg really!! And did you say Diarrhea on purpose orrrr 😂😂😂
@@LizNeptune😂😂😂😂
@Liz Neptune your critique is spot on! I took scriptwriting classes decades ago. A writer must "show" the audience what they want us to know not "tell" it with the characters lines. That's basic scriptwriting 101 tips.
LOVE your freckles!!
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@@LizNeptune@10:00 I think Kelly's 1st appearance was in Freddy vs jason(2003)
Best example of him writing like the audience doesn't get it: "why did I get married." "Hey I'm a doctor a very successful pediatrician and you're a lawyer." It gets on my nerves!
Yes wtf 😂😂 why does he write like that?!
Tyler doesn’t give a damn what any of us think. If we don’t like his movies, we’re just going to have to create our own. That’s what Tyler did. It’s the only response that makes sense. He ain’t changing a thing.
you are 1000000% correct! That's my move!
His bad writing is why I became a screenwriter 🤯 and he does not put time in any of his projects especially his tv shows 🤦🏾♀️ how long is one day in any of his scripts 😤
@BonitaGardner when i was sick and bedridden, I started watching Sistas. It was trash but i just needed something to watch and it was on. I realized quickly it was trash and one day could stretch on for multiple episodes, making the story unnecessarily long. I came back after having not watched the show for a very long time and i knew what was going on because nothing had changed. The characters were all having the same issues. Even now there's a character on there that has been on the same pregnancy for several seasons. It's ridiculous.
Tyler Perry Studios: A playground for his sexcapades!!!
Your intro was on point about moving making.
Thank you!
Love the image of TP in your thumbnail. 😂😂😂
I swear to god I was laughing my ass off while Making that 🤣
I'm so glad I wasn't just being critical. I thought it was not the best at all but I'm not a professional. It's wonderful to hear ot from a professional's vantage point. Thank you.
This reminds me of the "Blacksploitation" movies from the 1970's: Cleopatra Jones, Coffy, Superfly, Cool Breeze, Black Caesar, and the illustrious: Shaft: (An epic soundtrack with a movie attached to it).
I am HUGE blaxploitation fan!!
So real and unpretentious; love your vibe. Godspeed to your career.
Thank you!!!
In an interview, Tyler said he found Trevante broke and working in a cafeteria before being cast in The Have and Have Nots. Like, really? You didn't even have to say all that. You can tell he feels like a savior to people. I watched the movie because Trevante starred in it, but his acting was stony and detached. I blame Tyler Perry for that BS.
That is ugly and unnecessary. I don’t like TP and don’t understand why people can tolerate him.
@@Truthteller978 Mind you, Trevante was sitting right next to him when he said it smh
Omg really! Yikes. But he does that with a lot of the male actors it seems… really attracted men he just scouts and puts in his movies. He’s a weirdo.
@@KimBlaQue do you remember where you saw it?
@@LizNeptune The interview was with Hoda Kotb…it’s here on RUclips
It's taken me 3 days and I'm at the 35 minute mark.
That movie is so genuinely awfully terrible.
What pissed me off even more was that the Kelly & Trevante sex scene was to provoke a reaction because the plot line was so trash. I feel they were exploited. A sex scene should add to the film and not be the center of attention, that's all people are talking about.
Loved the commentary 👍🏼!
Your review was 10:10, I love it and you gave props and pointed out the cons. And you look nice. A lot of the ppl doing the reviews look crazy and are not articulate at all. Good job! 👏
Thank you so much!!
I haven’t seen the movie yet but your commentary was hilarious. 😂
Thank you!! 😂
I'm not an actor, producer or anything in the Entertainment industry, but I am a movie goer. This movie had a lot of flaws in it that didn't make sense, (i.e. talking to the tv like what TF? LOl) but also had some good areas. I would like to see Tyler allow other key professional industry individuals to review his work for feedback, BEFORE, he put it out. This would help catch areas that he did not see. God bless Ramz
I agree! You can’t make a movie alone. You need feedback for a medium like film.
What about the Chicago news in the Domincan Republic ??? It doesn't make no since. If your going to write about something at least make it realistic and Make it make since.
PREACH. Tyler needs to embrace the responsibility of his position or just stop this foolishness altogether.
Right! It seems intentional at this point.
@@LizNeptune ABSOLUTELY.
You used the perfect word in your video..
He is a high paid GATEKEEPER helping keep the complexities of our true image locked away from the world.
It won't last.
@@Uilaaliiit seems that for billionaires, it’s no fun to be super rich if everyone else isn’t dirt poor. He doesn’t want a young filmmaker to upstage him.
It’s time for him to pass the torch. There are so many super talented writers and directors who could elevate his art and brand to an extraordinary new level. He would not be losing anything but gaining so much. I do agree that this film has opened the door to many fabulous opportunities for the talented, brilliant, beautiful, and sweet Kelly Rowland. I pray for her and her family’s continued success.
Thanks!
Thanks, self!
Kelly was on this past season of Grown-ish. And I think she's done cameos on a couple of sitcoms. But yeah, the acting wasn't quite... Sigh. People tend to think acting is easy until you see people doing it badly. (Kelly did an okay job, but really, no one could've made that script better.) And I so agree with you about Tyler Perry. Him producing all that stuff that quickly, all by himself, is NOT a flex. I could produce that much that quickly too if I didn't care if it was crap or not.
This is my first time coming across your channel Liz and your commentary about Tyler’s creative process and character presentation is spot on. His work often times does feel “goofy”. How did you feel about the Family that Preys? I thought that was like the last of the box office hits from Tyler. Also, the thumbnail for this video is diabolical 😂.
Diabolical 😂😂 oh I love that word! I can’t lie I was laughing my arse off while making that! 😂😂everyone keeps talking about that one, I honestly haven’t seen it in full. I’ll go and watch it, maybe I’ll make a video about it.
Wow, I haven’t seen it yet but I thoroughly enjoyed your in-depth analysis from a filmmaker's perspective.
Thank you!! I hope it helps to understand how films are made!
Youre so right about the writing. Ive been writing for 30 plus years. I'll love it to death. Then a week later I'll read it again like 'what is this shit?' REWRITE!!!!
100%!! It’s like that for everyone. He probably only does 2 or 3 edits which is crazy for a multi million dollar investment!!!
Right. Tyler don't spend money anymore@@LizNeptune
Liz, you said EVERYTHING I was thinking, specifically the "villain uncanny valley" and I loved your breakdown. Thank you for sharing (and for being gorg!) I enjoyed your POV.
Thank you for watching!! I enjoyed your review as well! I’ll make sure to tune into your stream too.
Tyler Perry lacks nuance and sophistication. Sooo, either he thinks his audience is dumb or it is that he really is not a good writer, at all. He's just making a money grab at the expense of his people. We went from Spike Lee to this?! My soul is aggrieved.
We have to remember as an audience that Perry has no formal training or film education. It’s clear this script is in need of writers, preferably of color, that have experience in creative writing and screenwriting. Maybe our bar/ standard is just too high.
It’s not because he could take the best writing classes in the world. He could learn how to write so much better in just 6 months of regular classes, even with a private instructor that could COME TO HIS HOME! lol. He doesn’t think he needs improvement though, which is so so crazy.
This is the best professional review out there. Everything you said was 100%
i want to understand why this man refuses to hire writers it's insane. You can be hiring young black talented writers
It makes NO sense!
As for tyler perry writing, some of his movies that arent based on his material have been good but I think people don't realise what type of format he is using. All his movies share the same format tropes of a telenovella with the stereotypical good, stereotypical bad(which if they us a black actor they will use a very dark shade black person to be the most evil and oddly enough the majority has to be a black woman) over acting, shaky sets, and plot twist after plot twist especially towards the end with melodrama throughout. All he's done is package that format for Black america. And its worked because like when they translated some of these telenovellas to english a lot of our people watched it. The madea format for example is very similar to comedy caribbean theatre where they play it for laughs since the eighties where they have a old or plus sized mother/granny figure stereotypical black woman archetype being hammed up by an actress or usually a dude in a dress . At this point i'm convinced he stumbled upon that and telenovellas and put his spin on it. And the industry wants his stuff to be popular and the main form of black american entertainment. Since his earlier films shows he is capable of going beyond his usual nonsense its clear he cannot do that in order to keep his position with the powers that be. And therefore he has shown no real growth as an artist.
You are a writer! Thank you for letting people know what the process is! Writing is REwriting!
100%!! Writing IS rewriting!!
Tyler Perry doesn’t just hate his actors, he seems to hate his audience. He looks down on his audiences if they matter nothing more to him than a dollar. Two weeks to film an entire movie?? He may as well be working for Hallmark.
That part where Kelly sleeps with him right after watching him with another woman had me so confused. Who would do that? Imagine the roles being reversed how weird that would look.
veryyyy weird!!
Insane 🥺🥺🥺
They guy who played the Privet eye was the only good actor the film
100%!
@@LizNeptune he should have been the lead. i think Tyler casts singers and actors with little experience so he doesn't have to pay them much.
@@excaliber8713abbbbsolutely!! And a lot them are not good actors so they’re just happy to be there.
I 100% agree, when i saw the title i clicked on it so fast
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I like Trevante as an actor but I didn't like him in this movie.
I might have to rewatch Birdbox and Moonlight!
I just came here to say I love Kelly Rowland she was the bait to get people's interest because who doesn't want to see her she's so classy and just gorgeous!
She really is tho!
First time checking out your channel. Good stuff here, just subscribed. 👍🏾
Welcome!! ✨ thanks so much!!
Kind of odd that you said that Nick Sagar played the president on The Have and the Have Nots.
Makes sense 😂
Ive never been a Tyler Perry fan. Him bragging about writing those scripts….but the dialogue in the scripts and the psychology and interplay of the characters is 3rd grade level….
Spike Lee tends to be heavy handed sometimes with his movies, especially when it’s a racial issue, but he’s miles better than TP.
Abbbbbbbsolutely!! Honestly it was the remake of “she’s gotta have it” that pissed me off about Spike.
Let's not compare spike lee to Tyler P..I know spike can be controversial in his films but the man has been influential in the movie industry and he is respected..people in Hollywood don't respect tp films he is a joke what accolades has TP won
Love your review and your recap was stop on!! Tyler Perry writes like this to drag out these mediocre and awful plot lines. It all comes down to money and budgeting, and timing. He does things lazy and fast. He is also cheap cheap on dialogue/actors. Basically it’s a quick payday for him and he gets to work/put others to work with the least amount of effort as possible and still rake in $$$$.
Oh you have no idea. My next next video will be about this!!
It wasn't good unfortunately but, its another stepping stone for kelly Rowland into the big leagues.
At what cost? 😢
I hope so.. I feel like people who do TP movies stain their career though.
When im writing, my rule is: "whats you can show, don't say". TP always writes in a way that people don't talk! His characters talk so unrealistically! Lol
I absolutely agree with you!
Great recap! I agree with you about the quality of screenwriting today. Movies just aren't as impressive anymore. Now, I just watch them (like I watched "Mea Culpa" earlier) just to have something to look at while I eat my dinner.
This is so true. When I clicked the movie, I legit just sat down with my food. Said let me just watch this ish..
@1:14 FR sis….. 👀😱 Nobody……Never……Ever⁉️
No I haven’t lol but I’m sure it’s out there!!
@@LizNeptune 😉 Yup
Ms. Liz!!!! I was just telling an acquaintance how I had the misfortune of watching this wretched piece of trash. The script and incongruent story line was abominable, to say the least. I feel that by being the sacraficial lamb, I have spared many who've yet to watch it from the pain of giving away two precious hours that they'll never be able to get back. The old adage of one going out on a high note would've applied if he actually took it to heart. Alas, sadly, the hubris of Mr. Perry has caused him to continue on way past his prime.
“This wretched piece of trash” 😂😂 you have a way with words!
@@LizNeptune 😆So I've been told.😏
I watched it last night & had several takes on the film that in my opinion is worst than a tubi movie:
1.) The 2 main characters are terrible actors.
2.) There was basically no plot
3.) The sex scene is absolutely terrible [ who fantasizes about having sex in paint]
4.) So then after a terribly acted movie the finale is so out there that it's laughable [ this woman who weighs 100 lbs soaking wet beats the hell out of 2 men & leaves without a scratch]
😂😂 I keep hearing about Tubi movies. Are they really that bad?
Yeah, TP writes a LOT of shows and movies very quickly. The problem? He is NOT a good storyteller, and his lack of creativity is evident in his inability to develop characters. He needs creative writers and an awesome editor. This movie was predictable to me. I figured out so many pieces very early on. There's one thing that I twisted up, but it wouldn't have been unrealistic for TP. I already knew that Ray was setting Zyair up to take the fall for murder, but I initially thought that he (Ray) was cheating on his wife with the Heidi chick, found out she was sleeping with Zyair, and went crazy. He seemed like he could become very violent. "Mea Culpa" was a disjointed hot mess.
Kelly Rowland has been acting since 2003.
True, but I’ve never seen her promote and market a movie like this. Seems like she’s really trying to take it seriously.
Spike Lee should not be in the conversation because Chiraq and Black Klansman were phenomenal.
I enjoyed Black Klansmen, but honestly it was his “She’s Gotta Have It” remake that really rubbed me the wrong way. It was so bad.
@@LizNeptune 😆 yes that was a horrible reboot I have to agree. The original Nola would have never 🙌🏾
He shouldn’t be the only writer and it shows
"The villain uncanny valley"....that's the perfect way to put it! I've always been annoyed by the lack of nuance and "gray areas" in his characters...like human beings aren't so dichotomous 🤦🏽♀️
Exactly! His characters are so evil they are completely unrelatable! So it makes them unrealistic.
I heard the acting career last longer than music in general.
Makes sense to me!
Trevante was in”The United States vs. Billie Holiday”. He has a more depth when he’s in something that…HAS MORE DEPTH! I believe all the allegations floating around about Tyler. It’s like he’s STILL clout chasing! 🤦🏽♀️
Of course it's by design.
Acrimony was another movie looked low budget as well
Most of those " fine men" are the men tht Tp promises certain roles to..in return for favors...allegedly
Chile, the streetz be talking!! 👀
Girl…you’re not the only one who heard that before ☕️
A really good movie director, and producer needs to study under a master, sort of an apprenticeship, before going through the expensive, highly detailed, and ultra scrutinized process. To his credit: remember the Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, & the Saturday afternoon kung-fu movies?
But the real question is: how much money, and how much effort has to be put forth for us to realize that we have better things to do with our time?
You are telling the truth!! I spend SO MUCH time studying films. It’s extremely important!
This is the absolute worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. It was torturous. It was embarrassing!!
The only TP movies I liked was diary of a mad black woman/family the preys. I cannot stand TP. I am proud of him for coming from the bottom but that's it. When I think of an artist, I think of a powerful person with a blank canvas that has the power to depict us in a positive creative way, to the point that it's a vision and a new height that hasn't been reached yet to inspire us to reach for that lofty goal. I feel like Bill Cosby gave us the formula for positive images of ourselves, and explained the importance of them. Most people around the world judge us based on movies. I believe that every bad imagining movie needs at least 3 positive movies to overtake that image. TP is too wealthy not to hire great writers. Even though the black people are moving away from the Oscars, I think writers should be trying to create something Oscar worthy, classic, timeless. TP has never tried to do this. Im starting to think he will get endless funding as long as he doesn't uplift the black community. The black community is highly intelligent. We can handle, and desire intelligent writing, multi-layer and characters, with depth. He brags about writing a movie in a week, not a flex because the product proves that you didn't put any effort in. At this point I think he does it on purpose because it's a quick buck and people keep supporting his trash. As a black man, I cannot stand his imagining it's detrimental to the black community.
There’s a major issue with races in the movie. How do you have mixed race black men with a white mother with a red lace front‼️‼️‼️ then the Mexican girl being in DR?‼️
At this point, Tyler is gonna give us what he's giving... He has been very successful in giving us low-budget films.
Tyler mostly has succeeded because we have been desperate for more black movies, not because he is a great writer, editor, storyteller, etc. Tyler minimizes the intelligence of the audience. He needs to move to just being the studio owner and let others with training move forward. Thank you Tyler, but move on to legacy mode.
Oh this is it!!! 100%! I don’t know how he’s not embarrassed to face his peers when he makes stuff like this.
Mostly what brings Tyler fans to the movies is a good topic and great actors. I usually enjoy the movies and his writing style is good enough for me. It’s similar to a Lifetime movie. As far as the guy’s ex girlfriend, He probably made her Mexican to tap into the money of the Mexican people to start watching his movies. That’s a marketing strategy.
I doubt it… a Mexican actress wasn’t even a main character in the film. Latin audiences do bring big money, but this wasn’t that. Lifetime movies have their place, but he’s trying to pass this off as a high quality film and it’s just not.
@@LizNeptune that’s for your input.
This review is absolutely hilarious and so damn true😅
His movies are corny.
This movie was Laughable 😂😂#blessing
For real 😂
I think Tyler told Trevante to "act high."
😂😂😂 prolly… or, “act like that tree stump over there 👉🏿 “
@@LizNeptune 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
New subscriber here...I really enjoyed your take on the movie and the industry as a whole.
Thank you so much! It’s honestly my favorite thing to talk about 🤣 more to come!
TP always shows more of the MENS bodies than he does of the WOMENS bodies......... Nuff said.
Chile 😂 Tyler strikes again 🎉 the acting was horrible, script a mess and confusing and I beleive its another thing they put in our faces in Holly-hood to show what they really do behind closed doors and Kelly with the mess too...and her acting was not good she has been better...that botox in her lip had her stuck 😆 the scene she watched him with the white lady then proceeded to kiss him and they jumped on his bike without him showering first 👀🤢 I had to go pray 🙏 Lord get Tyler Perry 💀
😂😂😂 you had to pray 🙏🏽 😂 that bike scene was so random and didn’t make sense. He was just like, “this seems cool. Let’s add this scene in.” Why? What was the purpose?
I saw the movie and you are so on point with everything you said.
Thank you for watching!!
I remember when TP was first starting out in television when he said "if they don't want my God in it, they don't want me". He sure fooled us. Now everything he does seems to be low budget low key corn (YT guidelines). And he needs to stop bragging about doing all his own writing....sir, we can tell.
We can telllllll 😂
You’re breakdown of the film was great! Listening to how you described the movie had me feeling like I am watching it and I haven’t seen it yet. I just subscribed to your channel and I will like to know your thoughts on indie filmmakers. My sister film “My Side of the Story” just came out on Tubi TV it is a low budget film. But I like to know your thoughts on the movie. We working to make great movies and learning from the mistakes. Thanks
Who was the person who was murdered at the crime scene? Did that plot hole ever get concert?
No of course not!!
I didnt think it was bad until i heard the reviews and watched it again! 😂 love Kelly Rowland still, and look forward to seeing her next project
I do too.. I think she can recover from this lol
Tyler Perry’s scripts leave a lot to be desired. Repetitious dialogue and tired storylines. Except “ For Colored Girls “, because he didn’t write that script .
The male lead had negative zero acting chops.
Ms. Neptune please make a biopic about the Sandra Bland story. In Africa e.g Rwanda they see the bad, really bad character, dark skin and the light skin character portayed as good. I trust that your films are very believable.
Idris Elba was one darker hero. I agree that Mr. Perry does cast good actors and beautiful people. I wish him future success, if he will take advice.
Exactly! Things are overtly obvious like we’re 3rd graders and can’t make inferences 😂
Santo Domingo does not have any beaches that look like those pictured in the movie why did they lie and why was Kelly the only one wearing a running outfit with a hoodie on the beach it just bothered me so
I don't think Tyler Perry can do better....he has no talent. Tyler can get a Masters degree at NYU film school and STILL be horrible because he has no talent.
Money is all he has going for him.
Kelly was a guest star on a HIT sitcom The Hughley’s ,Taina, Eve, Girlfriends, Empire, Grownish, and many movies…. Like Think Like A Man. I understand though… the movies these days are boring, repeats, and predictable.
When I think back now, she was in some stuff I’ve seen. I just never saw her headline before.