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How Hard Is E-Bike Enduro Racing? | Rich Payne Rides His First EWS-E
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2021
- GMBN Presenter Rich Payne is an ex Enduro racer and has wanted to try an E-Bike Enduro for quite some time now so we entered him into the Pro category of the final stop of the 2021 EWS-E season, Tweed Valley in Scotland! 🏴
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What do you think of EWS-E? 🤔 Are you a fan of E-Bikes? If not as this changed your view of them?
Im not a hug fan of ebikes, but I do appreciate people doing what they like so I'm more fan of people progressing a sport that I like if that makes sense?.
Don't you all have a channel dedicated to this? Would appreciate a cross country, downhill or analog enduro race instead.
It’s an addition to the sport so I support it
Would be cool to see the Ews-E incorporate crazy technical climbs that would be unridable without the ebike
@@TheTubaEmporer your thinking is spot on. There is. It’s called the power stage.
Hi mate, that was really good, place 17 on the first race is actually quite awesome...
Cheers dude was a heck of a race
Great result having fun on two wheels is what it's all about 🏁
Man!! Rich is sooooo fast! 😳 He was absolutely sending it down the trails!!! Brilliant to watch! Fantastic effort 👏
From one Rich to another... Fricken awesome dude... oh... and whom ever did the music is a total dude.
Oh man first EWS-E race and 17th in these conditions👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾congrats my man. That was great to watch. ✌🏾
Rich is a pinner! Well done man. Looks like a blast. I really like the power stage concept because tech climbs are one of the funnest things with emtb. I think they have to design them to give a guy a chance though. Rider with the best lines up wins the stage but most ride the majority if it. Maybe an alternate line for rain? Or avoid designing it on possible mud sections?
true i love tech climbs it is the funnest thing on an emtb apart from descending ofcourse
Excellent. Loved his smile on the finishing straight.
So now you know what it’s like to race a gutless light weight motor bike… good stuff , love you guys.
Love the concept...ive a dodgy leg that's probably only gonna get worse, so will look forward to getting an e bike to keep me out on the trails. And now with these events, I will get to race, Nice one!👍
BTW...the music really rocked!
I imagine the E Enduros will be proportionally harder so that may affect your ability to do these. Good luck though.
Be interesting in 5 years how big a percentage of the mountain biking sales will be emtb can't wait to buy one next year I own a remedy now I am nearly 55 so I'll rotate between both bikes and my Cannondale topstone gravel bike
You have wait 3x more in order to be a similar regular footprint
Love it! Rich’s giggles sound like the TikTok trainspotter kid 😂 brilliant
Congrats on your finish! Love your GMBN gear, wear it all the time! Keep up the great vids!👍
You da-man Rich! well done, great effort, great edit and you've got to be Ews-E's most smiling competitor 🤟👊
Ha ha thanks I can’t help but smile when riding 😁
Grat video Rich, you almost look like you know what you are doing on occasions! Great achievement, chapeau!
Great job!
17th
Arrgghh! You added a bagpipe track. What a racket. (Ducks the haggises being lobbed at me.)
Absolutely pinned in the mud on the Spectral ON CF 7! Way to go Rich 👊
Thanks Rich...I appreciate you reacting ! Looked really hard on the ups! Peace
Nice one, good effort for keeping smiling 😁!
Damn you rode hard for those conditions! I rode 40km today and there was no one there to cheer for me. Lol
17th well done that's a terrific achievement on your first go. 👏
I actually really do enjoy watching EWS-E.
Great job, Rich!!!!!
17th!!!!
What a top guy Rich is 🤙🏻. Just so likeable!
Very cool, you must do more! Emtb is great fun!
I love my e bike was tempted to enter a few events glad they are getting more main stream 🤙🏻
Good on ya, try putting your seat down on the hard climbs. ✌
0:41 "Scotland, don't rain. Please"
Yeah... that aged well.
Eeb it!❤️
Well done,Rich!
3:38 a wild Nigel Page in the background
Cant believe all the bitter cants in here, live and let live
Need earplugs and a safe space, so you are shielded from people with different opinions?
@@KapitanPisoar1 #autism awareness
Are they getting deleted? 99% positive from what I can see :/
@@KapitanPisoar1 nah, just ibuprofen for the headache.
Firstly Mr Payne, battered Snickers are far superior to battered Mars bars. Secondly if someone handed you a nice warm battered snickers half way through the day with rain on and the energy levels flagging - you'd be in heaven! Greetings from Inverness. :- p
love that lil sheepskin jumper i certainly couldn't pull it off.
That looked really hard. Well done
Now this is valuable content!
well done 17th place is great. couldn't tell the color of your bike by the end stages
Cool! Like Erzberg for e-bikes👍
Awesome Rich! Well done
Still waiting for the EBike Downhill Tour and Ebike Rampage.
Prolly on the SL versions. And you gotta climb up the canyons too!
I do it for my cardio and the company.
I kinda changed my mind on ebikes.. i see a lot of mtbikers in downhill areas using the bike and chair lift to get back to the top of the downhill track. Now, i saw some ebikers getting back up without the lift and on their bikes... Their effort is problaby higher.
Awesome job
Thanks!
Well done Rich!
Ignore anyone who says it’s hard it easy as long as your on a proper bike
The state of the bike, took a right hammering. Well done Rich, super job. I wonder do ebike haters create those power stages 😂
yes
Congrats Rich, seriously tough race in those conditions.
How many miles did you cover in total?
What size battery are you limited too?
Nice 😊 Maybe you could have done even better with Der Baron tyres, with all that mud and the weight of the bike?
Would you or have you added an e bike into your collection since completing this?
i have £70 budget and i need knee pads and hopefully elbow pads. what would you recommend?
Very nice!
Just a question- when does an ebike become a motorcycle?
(also motorcycle Enduro is tough)
When it's got a throttle. This is all leg power, the motor just assists you. You should try one if you haven't. Amazing advancement in biking
Does it have regulations like how much power is allowed or the choice of motors? Well someone using the TQ 120 motor can easily smoke bikes with other motors.
They have 25mph limiters on it. It's more torque and range. Tourqe isn't always your friend going uphill on gnarly stuff, it's more of a power-gear management/endurance/ technical skill.
Gmbn ews-E team for next season???
Well done Rich! 👏🏻
What size bike is that? 😅
sixth!!! i love you guys (gmbn)
Funny how some people see the video title ,then watch it and complain , it's not for you just move on.
Performance enhancing motors have no place in competitive sports. How do you even start to regulate that to make it a level field?
agreed.
just as motocross is able to be regulated I don't see why ews-e cant be. although it may be very different from normal mtb it can definitely still have a place in racing.
uhm motorsports existed for decades and has there ever been issues? sometimes yes but rarely its just competition man!
Everyone has a motor and battery and wheels. That’s the level field. The rest is skill and balls.
@@deesis4962 are the batteries and motors regulated to be the same size or does it vary ? First time seeing this kind of race but it looks cool
Guys what happened to the r in slippery?
It's a dialect thing
@@ApexHerbivore understood. But nobody is really talking dialect here. Same for many others BTW.
@@maxgrass8134 fk knows mate. I still say slippery but mates from down south say slippy
Glove days are the worst days!!
I find it hilarious how British the comment section is
Why is this on gmbn and not on embn?
Still don't get. Racing an e bike. And you're worrying about how much battery you have left. Not for me, 🤣🤣
There is nothing to get except shocked.
Have you actually ridden one? Especially on climbs? Racing is just who has the most overall speed achieved by refining a skillset. If you need to be good at DH and now going up hill on a DH course as well, it adds a entirely different discipline you need to be good at that is specific to that sport. Not sure I understand why the battery would take anything away from racing.. The most famous types of racing have PIT STOPS, people blow engines, tires.. It's no different than having to worry about a fork blowing out on you.
this music is rough really hard to watch because of the music
The question is not how hard but does it have to exist?
Lets GOO
The haters probably still live in there parents basements bashing one off to 60s porn mags,
If there are E-bikes involved on regular mtb channels, I'll lose interest. Pinkbike did it too, with their enduro bike tests. Please keep them where they belong. On seperate E-bike channels. I feel like gmbn is trying to get us on E-bikes lately. And I do not like it.
I'm not against eMTB at all, but I agree. Keep them to a separate channel.
At least I didn’t have to sit through that god awful Vitoria advert for the 50 billionth time 🙌
The 'Power' stage needs to go, it's a farce. Let's face it the real skill is in the descents, so when someone loses all there hard earned time on the descents on a shitty power stage it's a real shame. I know they are E bikes but so what, that should just enable more time and energy for more or longer proper stages.
did you do tech climbs with an ebike? beleive me there is a lot of skill there aswell besides regular ews isnt going to go away just because there is ews-e it is just different
@@SimonBauer7 I have and it's fun, but I don't care what anyone says it's not racing.
@@mark77woody It is though.. They been doing it since day one.. It's so much of a race that it's a world event.
as harder the smaller your motor, not gonna lie its kinda unfair, you have these big ass races but someone with a e bike with a smaller motor will be able to climp way less fast than you, and if you have a smaller batter gues what, the others can just ride in turbo the entire time while you are stuck in eco mode, another unfair advantage. and yes i know that there are simular advantages with less or more weight in normal EWS, but EWS-E has the weight difference too but combined with the motor and engine problems which is a big factor when so many stages involve extreme climbs, plus there have been complaints about bikes that had their speed limit removed so that they could go quicker than 25km/h which is illegal in the EWS rules and in national transport rules (some of these bikes can get 70+ km/h when you remove the limit..
Bollocks. Removing speed limit should be considered cheating, but the rest...
Respectfully, bollocks.
Do you really think, that same pro-rider on entry-fully for 2 grands will show the same time that he can show on top-tier mtb for more than 7-8 k during the EWS?
The difference is not just in weight, it is in every element of the bike: brakes, gears, shifters, forks, rims, tires ... even geometry can play significant role, as it can affect progression of the suspension.
And another question for a fun of EWS:
Is new electronic suspension ok for EWS, or not ?
@@alexsevlan FYI, it is illegal to remove the speed limits, they jsut don't check it and don't have save guards against it so it just kinds slides past them
first off it very important to notice that the difference between E bikes and normal bikes is larger, since normal bikes suffer from the same problems as e bikes (one with better brakes, suspension, etc), only e bikes have motors and batteries on top of that to make them even more unfair, so by nature e bikes will always be more unequal compared to each other than normal bikes.
But regarding your thing about pro riders, pro riders are the one that have it least fair, my comment was actualy based of a discussion with a pro rider I know who is sponsored, e bikes (for EWS) are created realy unequal regarding motor size and battery size when looking at different brands, often they only have one model, and when you are sponsored you don't get to choose a bike with a larger engine and battery, they got to do with what they got. So pro riders no matter their budget will be more seseptable to this.
But the major problem lies with preformance, yes normal bikes also have their advantages and disadvantages, but I don't think anyone would be super surprised if a rider wins a round of EWS on a 3k bike, the only suprise would be why he is not sponsored yet, preformance differences between bikes matter way less in normal EWS. But EWS E riders relie way more on the ability of the bike, if you put a rider on two different bikes and let him do the same lap 2 times the times would be fairly simular, do the same for a bike on turbo mode and one lap on eco and the difference is huge.
but the biggest problem is thst all bikes are in the same groep, a 400 wh battery and a 200 wh battery race again each other, there should be different catagories for different bikes since they directly enhance the riders ability without having to put more effort I to it. You don't put a go cart against a f1 car, they deserve their own catagories, same with weight class's and mma/boxing, different sizes.
And I think E-suspension is OK for now, I mean we have seen that live valve does not do much and that flight assistant does not even effect actual (non e bike) enduro preformance, I. E. downhill. And it does not give a major advantage, I mean you have the exact same thing on all suspension, a lock out, only its automatic, it does not make the suspension bunny hop or climb for you, its more of a convenience than a preformance gain for EWS racing. Ther is a reason why you don't see DH races with E suspension either, it does not help
@@shemshem9998 So much text and so little context...
I'm well aware of all this legal aspects regarding e-bikes. In Germany, police will charge you several grands for removing speed limit.
But returning back to the track:
you are whining, that EWS-E cannot be a sport, as there is no challenge and competition, due to technical advantage (still I see the light in you, as you have started to talk about categories)
My point is that it's not a problem at all.
As it is just a question to organization of tournaments.
For instance problems described by you can be easily solved by smth like battery no more than 700 Wh , e-motor no more than 250 W, 85 Nm, and so on.
Than it also can be categories like beginner/pro and so on.
And with proper set of rules it can be a nice, interesting and challenging sport tournament.
As E Bikes give an opportunity to ride longer and much further than normal one.
Much, much further.
Ideal for Enduro races.
You know, from word Endurance.
Hard as guys in the male/ebike owners only spa…
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second !
I'm all for ebikes but whats the point of ebike races?
good for the ego of old fat blokes who cant pedal uphill anymore without a motor to assist them... my motor is bigger than yours trip..
For fun?
As you can see most of the racing is on the downhill sections. There is a Power Stage, it's very technical! (As you can see as Rich had to walk some of it!)
It's no different to racing non e-bikes, better riders will be faster , being an e bike doesn't remove the need for skill ,Ive found that riding an e-bike on some trails demands more skill due to the extra speed .
SLOW LINE RICH
Gives this overweight 55 year old hope!!!!
Just call it what it is, a motorized bike race.
They do, don't they?
Or a half motorcycle...
Please dont die on Ebike so hard
First?
🏆🏁
You would not want to push one of those piles of shi*e
Buy a motorbike !!!
No comment...
Yes, it’s cheaper, way more fun and you don’t look like a puff…
Cry babies
@@levimaxwell7745 on e-mopeds hahaha
I have one , and an ebike, next
3 minutes in is all I can take with that awful music. Sorry.
Now that was a boring video, and the music made it even worse.