A buddy of mine sprayed his friend who is a correctional officer with his keychain Sabre 3 in 1 canister. His friend kept teasing him and telling him it didn’t work and was not as hot as the Sabre Red canister they were issued at the detention center he works at. After a few drinks he agreed to take a short burst across the eyes with a keychain Sabre OC/Cs canister. The Sabre OC/CS was immediately effective and he couldn’t open his eyes for about 20 minutes. This is with a water hose and soap. As one person posted, people get too caught up in brands percentages and formulas of pepper spray. One of the earlier formulations that helped OC gain its reputation for effectiveness was 0.18% Major Capsaicinoids. Reputable manufacturers like Sabre and Def Tech are not going to manufacture a formulation or delivery system that is ineffective. I prefer Sabre OC/CS but wouldn’t hesitate to carry Sabre Red. Both are very effective when used properly.
People get to wrapped up in brands and OC percentages. 10% OC means 10% of the can is OC and 90% is propellant. That has nothing to do with effectiveness. Neither does the SHU rating. The pure OC extract or resin used can be listed at 2.3 million SHU (which sounds great) but once that is watered down with 90% propellant that also knocks the SHU to 230,000. Look at the Major Capsaicinoid(MC) percentage and that will give you an idea of heat and effectiveness(the higher the MC % the hotter the product). If the can doesn’t have the MC percentage listed somewhere on the label and just has the percentage of OC in the can stay away from that product. Any major reputable brands will list this on their product. Anything 0.7% MC up to 1.4% MC should serve you well, anything over that is pointless. UDAP mugger fogger is 3%MC which is overkill in my opinion. Sabre I believe has the most consistency in MC percentage between batches of OC spray on the market. They list the Sabre red line at 1.33%. Keep in mind that is plus or minus a little, one batch could be 1.2% and one could be 1.4% just due to manufacturing variances. I have carried Sabre Red crossfire in the stream version working as a LEO for quite a while and have never had it be completely ineffective. People high on drugs or intoxicated on alcohol may not get the full effect of burning and respiratory distress but it will still cause involuntary eye closure which is what you want with OC spray. That allows a prepared citizen to retreat from the threat or allows a LEO to make contact with the subject without them knowing where you are which helps in gaining control faster. Most law enforcement agencies unless dictated by stupid policies and guidelines use product that fall between 0.7-1.4%MC. I have had full exposures 5 times from different brands(Sabre, Aerko, Def Tech, CTS, vexor) and all have sucked. If you would ask me which hurt more I wouldn’t be able to tell you. A body can only perceive so much pain before it’s hard to tell the difference and all of the products I have been exposed to have made me reach that pain threshold where all of them mostly feel the same. As far as blended sprays (OC/CS) a lot of instructors I have spoken to say to stay away from them. When most companies make a blend spray they water the OC down to add the CS. Very few companies keep a high MC% when mixing CS in a product. I can’t speak for Sabre 3 in 1 but I think the most effective blend sprays are from Aerko (freeze +p) which I have had exposure too and it sucked bad, a high level of respiratory distress as well as a very intense burn and eye closure. Redd (NW defense products house brand) seems to be a good option for a blend spray as well, I feel it was modeled along the same lines as Freeze +p from Aerko. Def Tech also makes a OC/CS mix that is still 1.3%MC with the addition of CS. I would imagine that would be very effective also. For the people that say pepper gel doesn’t cause respiratory distress I challenge you to empty half a can or so of pepper gel into an enclosed or partially enclosed room and see if it’s comfortable to breathe in there. I have done so and I can say that even with gel there is still respiratory distress, maybe not as severe as a non gel spray but it’s still there. The conclusion to my long winded comment is just pick a good reputable brand whether it is just OC or OC/CS whether it’s gel or spray and learn to use it and you’ll be in good shape. OC is a good middle ground between a harsh word and physical force so the areas of use are far greater than a firearm which I carry also.
If you can legally carry it in your area I'd go with the three in one..OC/ Tear Gas combo .. if the OC doesn't get the perp the tear gas will...BTW ..DONT want gel ... No respiratory effect on the perp.. you're losing half your effectiveness...BTW I like OC spray with the flip top safety...
Really is it the better option the 3 in 1? I mean in dealing damage in neutralaizing i dont care about wind blowback i just want the treath to stop right there and then
@@Morefuninhellill honeatly go for a cone type spray like magnum 60. i rather spray in busts then run away than needing to aim then spray. thats pretty difficult
@@UrbanSurvivor saw that as well, it actually helped me pick a good nightstand pepper spray (I already have a good edc) I work in a gun store and get asked the difference between pepper sprays and gels all the time. I can verbally describe it, but I will be sure to send them here if they want to see the testing.
Before I was old enough to get my CCW, I carried Sabre 3in1 in my pocket. Until one fateful day when it discharged - completely - in my pocket. It soaked places on my male anatomy that burned like none other. Needless to say that was the last time.
Thats great! I am sure you will enjoy the POM! I'm carrying that one as well. Good choice on the lumintop as well. Did you get the EDC02 or the EDC AAA?
The problem with the gel is it does not atomize into a vapor you have to get it directly into the perps eyes which means you're losing half of your effectiveness... What makes pepper spray so effective is some of it atomizes into a vapor.. causes the perp affected respiratory.... I actually choose the three-in-one.... With the tear gas.. if the OC doesn't get him the tear gas will
Hello, is it possible to make a review of the Sabre Red Crossfire Stream/Gel ? Which one in this video would you recommend for self defense use ? Thanks ! :)
Sorry a bit late to the party, but i like how all three of them of have a little lock to make sure you don't on accident fire it, personally i think i would go for the first one since its cheaper and around the same effectivness, the marking dye could be helpful for the police to idenfity the person, because im still to young to carry a gun, and the guns that shoot nonlethal stuff i don't want some person to thinkk its real and have the police there, so this works well i think when i walk to the trolley to my school and stuff it would protect me!(sorry for this long rant)
Yeah I would agree that the 1st one, the pepper spray would be the best choice for most people. Good chance of inhalation or catching some in the eyes. POM is another good option.
I know that hitchhiking has gone out of fashion and is quite dangerous these days but I would like to comment that saber pepper gel Runner series would be an excellent tool for hitchhiking at night based on past experience of using just a reflector at night in Colorado. :)
Wow that's crazy, in the United States we are allowed to carry firearms for protection and any pepper spray we choose to carry. Hopefully one day New Jersey, California and the rest of the defector states will rejoin the US and become constitutional again.
Only 3/4 ounce is allowed in Nazi NJ but it can consist of either of the three formulas. I think the 3 in 1 is a good all around choice just because of the inhalation effect of the tear gas and because some people are unaffected by capsaicin.
I’ve been sprayed with both. Both were very effective. The OC/CS did have an enhanced burning sensation in my eyes and on the skin, it also lasted longer. Basically it had a heightened pain response, but both made my eyes slam shut and reduced breathing to short shallow breaths. Both formulas are very effective and can’t say one is better than the other. In terms of effectiveness, most of the legitimate brands will cause the effects chemical agents are known for.
Yeah usually they are about 3-5 years. The cans can lose pressure over time which is the main issue. However I have fired expired cans and they worked just fine.
@@davidmrk7485 yes.it.works.well I sprayed it and was coughing a bit just from the tear gas.i didn't spray anyone or myself just a few feet infront of me but it had.me.coughinh
Up dye does nothing but help you find someone that ran away. The 3 in 1 is better because everyone isn't affected by OC if that's doesn't get you the tear gas will. My mom used it on my brother and it completely starched him took the fight right out of him.
i search about spray contain nuclear or atomic material. when you apply it is colorless but when you use uv light you can see green traces can you help me with that
I live in New York and as you know anything could happen in a New York minute. I say that to say this, I don’t think it would be wise to put cover the safety
@@kelvinharrison2592 I would absolutely never carry this without covering the safety/spray button. Same way that I would never carry a gun without a holster that covers the trigger.
@@GT83963 Doesn't mean you can't though. I stopped carrying mine because it kept coming unlocked unintentionally. I'm going to see if I can 3d print a belt clip that locks the safety when it's not in use.
A short little CCW class does NOT adequately train people to carry a firearm. Bottom line. At very least, an option of non lethal, such as these, should be mandatory when carrying a gun. That way all these folks out there carrying are reminded that they have the option to not take a life in the event "verbal Judo" fails.
@@Alessandro-tf5xh yeah thats completely ridiculous! The effects of pepper spray go away after a few hours, thats a very humane way of dealing with an aggressive dog. What kind of punishment did you receive?
A buddy of mine sprayed his friend who is a correctional officer with his keychain Sabre 3 in 1 canister. His friend kept teasing him and telling him it didn’t work and was not as hot as the Sabre Red canister they were issued at the detention center he works at. After a few drinks he agreed to take a short burst across the eyes with a keychain Sabre OC/Cs canister. The Sabre OC/CS was immediately effective and he couldn’t open his eyes for about 20 minutes. This is with a water hose and soap. As one person posted, people get too caught up in brands percentages and formulas of pepper spray. One of the earlier formulations that helped OC gain its reputation for effectiveness was 0.18% Major Capsaicinoids. Reputable manufacturers like Sabre and Def Tech are not going to manufacture a formulation or delivery system that is ineffective. I prefer Sabre OC/CS but wouldn’t hesitate to carry Sabre Red. Both are very effective when used properly.
People get to wrapped up in brands and OC percentages. 10% OC means 10% of the can is OC and 90% is propellant. That has nothing to do with effectiveness. Neither does the SHU rating. The pure OC extract or resin used can be listed at 2.3 million SHU (which sounds great) but once that is watered down with 90% propellant that also knocks the SHU to 230,000. Look at the Major Capsaicinoid(MC) percentage and that will give you an idea of heat and effectiveness(the higher the MC % the hotter the product). If the can doesn’t have the MC percentage listed somewhere on the label and just has the percentage of OC in the can stay away from that product. Any major reputable brands will list this on their product. Anything 0.7% MC up to 1.4% MC should serve you well, anything over that is pointless. UDAP mugger fogger is 3%MC which is overkill in my opinion. Sabre I believe has the most consistency in MC percentage between batches of OC spray on the market. They list the Sabre red line at 1.33%. Keep in mind that is plus or minus a little, one batch could be 1.2% and one could be 1.4% just due to manufacturing variances. I have carried Sabre Red crossfire in the stream version working as a LEO for quite a while and have never had it be completely ineffective. People high on drugs or intoxicated on alcohol may not get the full effect of burning and respiratory distress but it will still cause involuntary eye closure which is what you want with OC spray. That allows a prepared citizen to retreat from the threat or allows a LEO to make contact with the subject without them knowing where you are which helps in gaining control faster. Most law enforcement agencies unless dictated by stupid policies and guidelines use product that fall between 0.7-1.4%MC. I have had full exposures 5 times from different brands(Sabre, Aerko, Def Tech, CTS, vexor) and all have sucked. If you would ask me which hurt more I wouldn’t be able to tell you. A body can only perceive so much pain before it’s hard to tell the difference and all of the products I have been exposed to have made me reach that pain threshold where all of them mostly feel the same. As far as blended sprays (OC/CS) a lot of instructors I have spoken to say to stay away from them. When most companies make a blend spray they water the OC down to add the CS. Very few companies keep a high MC% when mixing CS in a product. I can’t speak for Sabre 3 in 1 but I think the most effective blend sprays are from Aerko (freeze +p) which I have had exposure too and it sucked bad, a high level of respiratory distress as well as a very intense burn and eye closure. Redd (NW defense products house brand) seems to be a good option for a blend spray as well, I feel it was modeled along the same lines as Freeze +p from Aerko. Def Tech also makes a OC/CS mix that is still 1.3%MC with the addition of CS. I would imagine that would be very effective also. For the people that say pepper gel doesn’t cause respiratory distress I challenge you to empty half a can or so of pepper gel into an enclosed or partially enclosed room and see if it’s comfortable to breathe in there. I have done so and I can say that even with gel there is still respiratory distress, maybe not as severe as a non gel spray but it’s still there. The conclusion to my long winded comment is just pick a good reputable brand whether it is just OC or OC/CS whether it’s gel or spray and learn to use it and you’ll be in good shape. OC is a good middle ground between a harsh word and physical force so the areas of use are far greater than a firearm which I carry also.
And remember to cover your ASP
That was very helpful thank you
Not to mention I was in the army, cs sucks, but it takes a good 45 seconds to 1 minute to work
Can you explain why mc above 1.4% is useless. Why do bear sprays all use 2% mc?
@@jason200912 not useless, just of no real benefit
If you can legally carry it in your area I'd go with the three in one..OC/ Tear Gas combo .. if the OC doesn't get the perp the tear gas will...BTW ..DONT want gel ... No respiratory effect on the perp.. you're losing half your effectiveness...BTW I like OC spray with the flip top safety...
I say go with Pom pepper spray because it has a 10% OC with UV dye and also it has a flip top so you won’t accidentally deploy in your pocket
Really is it the better option the 3 in 1? I mean in dealing damage in neutralaizing i dont care about wind blowback i just want the treath to stop right there and then
@@Morefuninhell this is what i keep asking people, is the pom better than the 3 and 1
@@Morefuninhellill honeatly go for a cone type spray like magnum 60. i rather spray in busts then run away than needing to aim then spray. thats pretty difficult
You want the gel. It won't get blown back at you.
Been looking for a video like this for months. Ty
Glad you enjoyed it! I did a more in depth review with some larger pepper sprays in this video ruclips.net/video/usJf9dBH6ag/видео.html
@@UrbanSurvivor saw that as well, it actually helped me pick a good nightstand pepper spray (I already have a good edc)
I work in a gun store and get asked the difference between pepper sprays and gels all the time. I can verbally describe it, but I will be sure to send them here if they want to see the testing.
Before I was old enough to get my CCW, I carried Sabre 3in1 in my pocket. Until one fateful day when it discharged - completely - in my pocket. It soaked places on my male anatomy that burned like none other. Needless to say that was the last time.
just received 3 pom compact pepper sprays today. Also, I bought a lumintop keychain light of your review. Thanks for all the great vids and info
Thats great! I am sure you will enjoy the POM! I'm carrying that one as well. Good choice on the lumintop as well. Did you get the EDC02 or the EDC AAA?
@@UrbanSurvivor The AAA. Got one for my sister and mom too. We all love them! Thanks again
@@landminehopscotch3617 That's great!
@@UrbanSurvivor What does "POM" means ?
@@davidmrk7485 POM is a brand of pepper sprays
Thank you I’m getting the second choice the pepper gel spray
Thanks US. I like the gel version of the pepper spray for the performance! Thanks again!
Thanks for watching Greg!
The problem with the gel is it does not atomize into a vapor you have to get it directly into the perps eyes which means you're losing half of your effectiveness... What makes pepper spray so effective is some of it atomizes into a vapor.. causes the perp affected respiratory.... I actually choose the three-in-one.... With the tear gas.. if the OC doesn't get him the tear gas will
great comparison vid, thanks for the education !
Hello, is it possible to make a review of the Sabre Red Crossfire Stream/Gel ?
Which one in this video would you recommend for self defense use ?
Thanks ! :)
Thank you for the comparison.
Excellent video
Sorry a bit late to the party, but i like how all three of them of have a little lock to make sure you don't on accident fire it, personally i think i would go for the first one since its cheaper and around the same effectivness, the marking dye could be helpful for the police to idenfity the person, because im still to young to carry a gun, and the guns that shoot nonlethal stuff i don't want some person to thinkk its real and have the police there, so this works well i think when i walk to the trolley to my school and stuff it would protect me!(sorry for this long rant)
Yeah I would agree that the 1st one, the pepper spray would be the best choice for most people. Good chance of inhalation or catching some in the eyes. POM is another good option.
@@UrbanSurvivoralso the amount of spray it has is great just squeeze a few times and your attacker probably is screaming in pain
Can you confirm is sabre compact has more width than the sabre gel? They look similar but compact looks fatter
у меня есть Sabre Compact Pepper Gel, отличный баллончик!😃 Они все хорошие.
I know that hitchhiking has gone out of fashion and is quite dangerous these days but I would like to comment that saber pepper gel Runner series would be an excellent tool for hitchhiking at night based on past experience of using just a reflector at night in Colorado. :)
Try POM, DPS Black Label, Fox One Point Four or Heatwave Napalm
Thnxs 4 sharing
Thx so much
Thanks for the video. I live in New Jersey (I know 🤮) so I’m only allowed to get a compact pepper spray.
Wow that's crazy, in the United States we are allowed to carry firearms for protection and any pepper spray we choose to carry. Hopefully one day New Jersey, California and the rest of the defector states will rejoin the US and become constitutional again.
Only 3/4 ounce is allowed in Nazi NJ but it can consist of either of the three formulas. I think the 3 in 1 is a good all around choice just because of the inhalation effect of the tear gas and because some people are unaffected by capsaicin.
GEL, my tactical pen and my cane.
I'm interested to order What channels can I contact?
Amazon
sabre red vs 3 and 1 which do you think is more effective?
I’ve been sprayed with both. Both were very effective. The OC/CS did have an enhanced burning sensation in my eyes and on the skin, it also lasted longer. Basically it had a heightened pain response, but both made my eyes slam shut and reduced breathing to short shallow breaths. Both formulas are very effective and can’t say one is better than the other. In terms of effectiveness, most of the legitimate brands will cause the effects chemical agents are known for.
It has expiration date?
Yeah usually they are about 3-5 years. The cans can lose pressure over time which is the main issue. However I have fired expired cans and they worked just fine.
I got the 3 in 1
Did you try it ?
@@davidmrk7485 yes.it.works.well I sprayed it and was coughing a bit just from the tear gas.i didn't spray anyone or myself just a few feet infront of me but it had.me.coughinh
@@krusty42069 Very nice ! Do you know if we can get it in Europe ?
@@davidmrk7485 you might? Check Amazon
@@krusty42069 Nothing on Amazon :/
I say go with Pom pepper spray because it has a 10% OC with UV dye and also it has a flip top so you won’t accidentally deploy in your pocket
Up dye does nothing but help you find someone that ran away. The 3 in 1 is better because everyone isn't affected by OC if that's doesn't get you the tear gas will. My mom used it on my brother and it completely starched him took the fight right out of him.
@@ThouArtOfWar0724 pom pepper spray has 1.40% major capsaicinoids (MC), 1.40 is the most you can get out there
i search about spray contain nuclear or atomic material. when you apply it is colorless but when you use uv light you can see green traces
can you help me with that
It has uv dye. Google it
Really, no one should be recommending these canisters, due to their VERY poor top "safety" design. FAR too likely to be accidentally discharged!!!
None of these will be good options until they come up with an adequate holster that actually covers the safety/spray button.
I live in New York and as you know anything could happen in a New York minute. I say that to say this, I don’t think it would be wise to put cover the safety
@@kelvinharrison2592 I would absolutely never carry this without covering the safety/spray button. Same way that I would never carry a gun without a holster that covers the trigger.
@@GT83963 Doesn't mean you can't though. I stopped carrying mine because it kept coming unlocked unintentionally. I'm going to see if I can 3d print a belt clip that locks the safety when it's not in use.
A short little CCW class does NOT adequately train people to carry a firearm. Bottom line. At very least, an option of non lethal, such as these, should be mandatory when carrying a gun. That way all these folks out there carrying are reminded that they have the option to not take a life in the event "verbal Judo" fails.
John Corriea approves
The most important aspect of ccw is legality of scenarios.
In italy is illegal to use pepper gel so i'vd bought the spray, better than nothing but would be better to have different law's.....
Yeah that sounds like a totally ridiculous law... for most situations i think pepper spray is better
@@UrbanSurvivor man i used on a dog that was attacking me and i got charge for abuse of self defence laws here are insane...
@@Alessandro-tf5xh yeah thats completely ridiculous! The effects of pepper spray go away after a few hours, thats a very humane way of dealing with an aggressive dog. What kind of punishment did you receive?
@@Alessandro-tf5xh I know you wrote a comment a long time ago but how did the dog react to the spray?
@@Szymek1243 he stopped and start going crazy but not against me