Indigenous Memory: Interview with Dr. Lynne Kelly
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Im AUDHD(autistic and adhd) and dyslexic. The doctor who diagnised me, said that in ancient times that I would have been a great leader. Very different from the experience Ive had in todays soiciety.
Thank you very much for this. Ive now incerted it into my healing journey.
Interesting at 8 minutes 25 seconds into the video when she talks about other animals not knowing how to take a piece of wood and shape it into a tool saying that no other animal knows how to do this except for humans needs another look. Now, there have been studies comparing the crow to parrots but the parrots they used were the Kia parrots from New Zealand. Now, they can take a branch and shape it into a tool and modify it to serve it's purpose. If it doesn't work to their satisfaction they will knowingly alter this tool in the way it needs to be altered to work correctly. The study in the tv program put out by the Discovery Channel is called Beak and Brain. However in the study they did not include the most intelligent species of parrots called the Goffins cockatoos. These goffins will make over 30 types of tools and store their tool kits in tree hollows where they have good memory of it's location and will go get the tool they need when it's needed. Captive goffins cockatoos have really been put to the test with their tool shaping abilities. Compared to the crow, who has a straight beak where it is much easier for them to use a tool, the goffins has a hook beak that makes the use of tools even more challenging for them but they are very innovative. Also, the area in our brains that knows how to decipher letters, numbers, symbols, math, writing, music, they have it too to that of a 4 year old child. Some species are more intelligent than others but I still think the goffins cockatoo is the most intelligent. Check out on facebook and youtube "My Reading Pets" who has done a fabulous job with her birds teaching them to use a tablet, writing, music, playing games, tracing, using a comm board to communicate.
She said we were the only species to carve and decorate tools.
We need a whole re-mystication of the danish landskape... re-making-it-magic... some do "stone-bothering" in the UK, visiting the stones... but combined with legends and stories it would be sooo powerfull.
I really appreciate what was shared here! As a fan of poetry and stories I have been sitting often with the question ”what are the ways our ancestors remembered so much more than we do now in our modern world and worldview?" There are a lot of factors, but the approach of grounding the story physically described here is very illuminating!
This is the same phenomenon that causes me such grief when I try to straighten my house. In absence of receiving this kind of knowledge keeping my brain has done it about my most immediate environment. Every thing has myriad connections and I can pick up an object I haven't seen in 20 years and I can remember in absolute clarity experiences from when the object was more relevant. I came to thinking about animist because I couldn't help but listen to the stories of all these things that I'd been socialized to see as inanimate. But all the stories they could tell me, that I couldn't know in the absence, made me realize that each and every little thing has a piece of god inside it and I cannot help but see it in all things now. Really wish there'd been a seanchaí around to teach me when I was younger. But I guess the only thing to do is to start now.
Also was amazed about that insight into aphantasia, as someone who is probably the polar opposite where I see visual, aural, and emotive imagery not even just in my head but overlayed over that which I can see that I know others do too. When I heard about aphantasia for the first time a few years ago all I could really think of is how I would feel in the absence of my sights so its always good to be reminded of things I never could conceive of because my body is not ordered into doing so!
That is sooo interesting... while listening: I have started drawing some danefæ animals and figurines, at the same time imagining, how they would have USED them... what rituals they went into... I am touched by, how these pieces of art - at least for me - seem to LINK nature and the experience of being a human IN nature...
memory is dangerous to the establishment,,,, because its harder for the predator class to lie without people knowing
Thank you Rune, what a pleasure it was listening to an enthusiastic Lynne Kelly!. Loved the topic. Thanks for sharing.
Great example of this - there's a children's song that's about rowing to the fishing grounds, like the English "row row row your boat". The version in the song books is completely generic - but if you look at the oral tradition, it's a huge variety of similar songs naming specific local fishing spots and fish species in order.
As a neurodivergent i call the process dopamining. In order for me to be able to be motivated and retain info the task has to provide enough to dopamine to make it worth the effort, so we create dopamine by dancing and singing and moving and associating.
The action creates the dopa which in turn reinforces the neural pathway.
Regarding your hávamál attempt, Rune, it'd be a good idea to get use to compose e.g. fornyrðislag in your native Danish, and then record whatever knowledge you want to learn by combining it with the different spatial techniques of the video.
When it comes to interfacing with traditional knowlegde through dance, you should interview Ola Stinnerbom, he's doing some fascinating work in that area.
How have I not crossed paths with Dr Kelly? I did anthropology at the same university!
Hoping that Lynne’s studies spread far and wide as quickly as possible
She said food arriving at the door as a symbol of China? What a lunatic, that’s just beyond reality.
goos sir. have you heard the Bock Saga? thank you love your guest memory and all.
At 7 minutes 8 seconds she mentioned that the same gene also causes a disorder that is not beneficial. I wonder which disorder this is. Is it schizophrenia?
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WONDER WAY IF ABORGINALS have such advanced memory rechniques they are not more advanced
thats exactly the thing - they ARE more advanced. We might be better at making devices, but they are significantly better at running a civilization for tens of thousands of years, without crashing the entire planet into the biggest collapse in the history of life for a time span that is literally 12000 times longer than the entirety of human history
i;; HAVE TO LISTEN MORE CloSELY as I thought we were talking about aboriginals of Australia and maybe North America... I don't think theyrun a civilazation but more of a tribal group of a pretty low population. .@@NordicAnimism
as for collapse perhpas we are facing ultimate evil as this has been orchestrated by a very small group which seems to be coming out n the open more clearly day by day@@NordicAnimism
@@NordicAnimism as far as collapse is concerned it seems to be its a matter of coming into contact with ultimate evil and what's happening is driven by a very small group of 'satanic' high priests and followers.... and currently our gods or warriors haven't arisen to oppose them unless I'm not seeing something.
@@NordicAnimism many forms of life have niched themselves off the tree of life and will remain there maybe forever.... being in harmony with nature filling the piece a group has found for itself might be in a niche.... I'm hoping some of mankind or western man will continue upward with the upward thrust of the tree to godhood or even become something like stars or something like that....eternal progression
Interesting 😮