We have a Jura ENA3 that we got from whole latte love probably close to ten years ago. Jura doesn’t even make that model anymore, but ours is still running strong on its second steam wand. Fantastic quality machine. Morning half caf cafe mochas daily.
I love my gaggia accademia. Mine is probably 7 or 8 years old now, and we use it daily. It's been one of my favorite purchases ever and has paid for itself many times over compared to buying coffee at Starbucks. Plus Starbucks can't even come close for a quality cup of coffee compared to what I make at home.
Hi Marcel, These machines can be a life changing and wallet saving experience! Some may get a little sticker shock, but do the math and the really do pay for themselves compared to cafe coffee. And as you mention the quality is better. Marc
Hey Mark, Good vid as usual. I've G. Brera based on ur recommendation 1.5 yrs ago, and it's still performing amazingly as good as new after, almost, exceeding 5000 essos. More interesting, few days ago I'd something hard ((Looks like nutshell)) stuck in its grinder. The machine stopped the cycle promptly & gave a warning "Without burning the grinder" which is a smart feature adds to the value of the machine. It gets even more amazing, when I tell u that I could disassemble the machine & the grinder to get rid of this hard thing from between the burrs of the grinder, and then reassemble it without watching any reviews or how tos, or even having the right set of screwdrivers "hex heads." It's so easy & intuitive, thank you.
Hi SE, Great to hear from you! The Brera is a rock solid performer! Take care of it with regular descaling, brew group rinsing and deep clean and I will not be surprised at all when 3 years down the road I hear your at 15,000. If you have not already done so, you might want to bookmark our support wiki for the Brera: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Brera/cleaning_and_maintenance It's got everything you need including manuals, diagrams, how to vids and more. Enjoy, Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your kindly reply, & continued support as well as for the useful link. The Brera is really a great investment with all these features & quality in such price.
Hi Mark, I love your very informative videos. I have reason to believe I might be getting the Delonghi PrimaDonna Elite sometime soon as a gift. What are your thoughts about it? Is it worth it or should I make sure to emphasize that it is not worth the money? Thanks
Very thorough review and I've been enjoying them. I currently have a Saeco Odea Giro and want something similar, maybe a step up. The grinder motor just stopped working so I'm going for something reliable and resilient. What do you suggest? Thanks!
Hi JC, Thanks for the comment and question. There are a lot of options for a step up from the Saeco! It depends on what's important to you. Personally I've used a Gaggia Accademia daily for 2+ years in the studio and love it. At home I have a Jura ENA Micro 9 and like that as well. If you are in the US and would like some one on one advice give our coffee pros a call and they can help find the machine which best fits your needs: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us Marc
Thanks for a useful video, and I have a question. One obvious difference between either of the automatic machines I've owned and a professional machine one sees in restaurants is the rate of flow. To my eyes, it is beautiful to see the slow, light colored foam coming out of a professional machine, whereas my low end Saeco automatic does the shot in about 13 seconds. I see that several machines, (e.g. the Gaggia Accademia) have a flow control dial. Is such a control genuinely useful? Would this control enable one to emulate the slow flow of a professional machine? Would it help one obtain the richness that slow extraction creates? If so, would you not have expected this feature to get more attention than it is getting? All I see is a quick reference here and there, without the emphasis it deserves - if it really works, that is.
Hi Bill, Thanks for the comment and questions. If you've seen my other videos in regards to the Gaggia Babila or Accademia you know I'm a huge fan of the flow control dial. It does slow down the extraction and is perfect for switching between long coffee with fast flow and espresso with slow flow. It is very useful and those two Gaggia machine produce some of the best super-auto espresso. It really does work! That said, do not expect to run a 30 second shot on any super-automatic machine. They produce fine espresso, but are engineered to do it a little faster than commercial semi-automatic machines. Super-auto's are about making it convenient. If they made espresso slower that eats into the convenience for the majority of consumers. Marc
Thanks very much for the comment. I just came across automaticcoffeemaker.org/espresso-machine/compare-gaggia-automatic-coffee-machines-accademia-babila/ which shows a pretty slow shot when the control is used appropriately. For what its worth, I'd gladly wait an extra 10-15 seconds to get that 30 second shot. I am aware of some Saeco models that have a similar control. Just for the sake of options, are there any DeLonghi machines that have it? Thanks again for your help.
Hi Mark, I am looking for a super automatic machine under $1000. Which one/s do you recommend? I checked out the Gaggia on Amazon for their reviews and it was not good. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi L&E W, Thanks for the question. This is my pick: www.wholelattelove.com/gaggia-anima-prestige-super-automatic-espresso-machine Also was the pick of PBS's Cook's World experts. Got to be careful of Amazon reviews Marc
Hi T5, Thanks for the question. All the machines here are intended for home/office use and not rated (or appropriate) for commercial use. Here's a link to a variety of automatic machines which are appropriate for commercial service: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Franke&pf_v_brand=Schaerer&pf_v_brand=Concordia&pf_v_brand=Rancilio%20Egro
Hi. So, for an office of 9 coffee drinkers plus occasional guests, an emphasis on ease of use (especially minimal cleaning!), super auto, would you recommend the Jura E8 with the Cool Control container or would you opt for the Accademia? It would be next to a refrigerator. Or do you have a different recommendation? Thank you!
Hi Matt, Sounds like the newer Jura X8 w/Cool Control is exactly what you are looking for. One of the few machines which makes 2 milk-based espresso beverages like lattes at the same time. Very easy to maintain with no descaling required, simplest milk cleaning on the market and outstanding beverage quality with the ability to mix 2 milk froth types in a single drink. Also has a well designed app so users can customize and save their personal drinks right on their phone. Here's an in-depth review of the X8 I did last week: ruclips.net/video/VyC271sG5e4/видео.html Let me know if you have any questions! Or you can talk to our coffee experts by phone, chat, email here: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us Marc
Hi MI, Thanks for the comment and question. The Accademia has a used coffee capacity of 15 brew cycles. Depending on drinks made the machine may alert you to empty the drip tray sooner. Marc
Hi M, Thanks for the question. The Jura A1 makes excellent espresso and coffee and does so with out a lot of hassle as it's automatic. Just push a button and the machine does the rest. The Breville Barista Express is a more hands on process. With some effort it has the potential to produce a better espresso - but that requires some skill. Hope that helps! Marc
Thank you. However, it is still very overwhelming/confusing for me to figure out what Semi automatic or automatic Espresso machine to get for the first time buyers? I'm not looking for ALL bells and whistles. We're mainly drip coffee drinkers but, we do enjoy Americano and latte. What we're looking for Mostly - (1) Makes Good espresso of course. (2) Ease of use and cleaning/maintenance (3) Doesn't take forever to brew as we're in a rush in the mornings and use travel mugs. (4) Milk frothing is good to have (5) anything else is bonus. What would You recommend we look into getting for first time buyers? Do they make regular coffee? Thank you :)
Hi AM, Thanks for the question. It can be confusing. To fit travel mugs look to the Gaggia Accademia or Anima. All the machines are ready to go within a minute of turning on and brew as quick as you'd want them to. I really like the Accademia. If switching between regular coffee and espresso for a latte the flow control dial is your friend. Restrict flow for espresso and increase for a big cup of coffee. The Accademia uses a milk carafe for one-touch latte and cappuccino. When done close the carafe handle and steam is run through the milk system for cleaning before returning carafe to fridge for next time. It also has the manual steam wand if you ever want to try that. Maintenance is fairly easy. Descaling, weekly rinse of brew group and that's about it. Time between descaling can be increased significantly if you use the in tank water filter and your tap water isn't super hard. I used an Accademia daily in the studio for large coffees and occasional milk drinks for more than 2 years. I recently went to the Babila which is the same machine without programmable froth density. With my water hardness and filter use descaling is needed after about 700 cups. If you use the carafe regularly it should be deep cleaned once a week. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you, Marc for the quick response. I will check those machines out. One quick question - in your experience does it make sense to own a separate milk frothing device or would it make sense to get an espresso machine that comes with it? Mainly for, longevity of machine, ease of use, may or may not use it often etc.. We're on city water so the water is whatever city regulates. I am pretty sure it is not hard water.
Hello Mark, Could you suggest to us a machine that would serve a small local coffee shop with hot and cold coffee serves? It would be really nice if you could suggest a machine that would save some work and give the essence of the real beans.
Hi KD, Sorry for the delayed response! For a shop you want to go with commercial equipment. The automatics in this video are intended for home/office use. Here are some automatic and semi-automatic commercial options: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines For automatics I like the Franke machines. For semi-autos I like Dalla Corte. For a smaller shop consider the Dalla Corte Mina: www.wholelattelove.com/products/dalla-corte-mina-220v Marc
I would like to see a comparison of which makes the best espresso and coffee, taste wise. I am also curious about the espresso shot size. I only drink double espressos and found super auto shot to be a bit weak. Was setting up a Jura (that I recommended for a friend) and found as I was dialing in the grinder for greater intensity and flavour, the vibe pump would dead head and stall when I went too fine. I was very familiar with the beans as I brought them, and they were fresh from one of the local roasters I deal with. Curious as to who had the best temperatures and stability for superior taste. Good espresso for good mixed drinks...
Hi TT, Thanks for the questions/comments. Taste wise... It's very difficult to characterize taste between machines due to the number of variables involved. There's the coffee beans, grind size, dose size etc. I will say I have a slight preference for the espresso made on Gaggia machines. But I work with other coffee pros who prefer Jura shots. On most Jura machines when you make a double the machine does a single grinding for a double. On most Jura machines the coffee dose ranges up to ~15g so make a double at the highest strength setting and it'll be made from about 15 grams. On Gaggia machines when you request 2 espresso or 2 coffees the machine does 2 grind cycles. Max coffee dose on most Gaggia's runs about 12g so your double is made from up to 24g depending on strength setting. All the machines have program volumes so you can set the finished liquid volume of your shots. Choking, as you described can happen if the grind is too fine. If it does you can back off the strength setting for a lower coffee dose and/or increase the grind size. As to long coffees and taste, as I mentioned in the video I love the flow control on the Accademia and the Babila. I've been using the Accademia for 2 plus years and now a Babila for the last year for 2 large coffees every morning and a double espresso in the afternoon here in the studio. I'm too lazy to change the grind size all the time so I just up the flow rate for long coffees and turn it all the way down for espresso. It works well for me! When I'm working with a new super-auto machine for espresso I start the setup by setting grind at 1 setting short of the finest, temp and dose/strength) to the highest and 1oz/30ml volume for a single. If the machine has pre-infusion I turn that on. Then pull some shots and make adjustments if needed. Most times I'll end up going to the finest grind setting. I do occasionally run into some coffees which do choke the machines at finest grind setting. Hope that helps, Marc
Thanks Mark, as usual great work reviewing and guiding customers through the many options for great coffee. I have a question though regarding super-automatic machines. Is there any rational basis for my fear of brewing my daily espresso in plastic, since all super-automatic machine have brew units made of plastic, which will be exposed to 200 degree temperature while brewing? Is there any data on the type of plastic used to make brew units in super-automatics? I've been wanting to buy the Accademia for a few months now, but hesitating due to this fear. I Have looked at a Breville dual boiler or Oracle merely because I am thinking the brewing heat is in metal brew head. Any comment or data? Thanks a lot.
Hi hayan, I can't say I have any hard data other than the materials used in the machines are food grade. I'm also fairly certain none of these machines come with a prop 65 warning when delivered to California. I do see that on some semi-auto prosumer level machines with metal boilers, group heads and portafilters. On those machines it's usually related to the brass used. IMO it's not an issue as companies have started using newer brass formulations. In the past the brass was treated to remove lead to a certain depth and then plated. Even if the the plating is damaged by scratching the older machines do not cause a lead level which causes it to fail testing. I understand your concern. It is valid but I don't think plastics in these machines put you at any risk. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks much. That is very helpful indeed. One last question on semi-automatic machines, please. If I buy a semi-automatic machine (leaning towards breville) with a 58mm brass portafilter; can I buy a standalone stainless steel portafilter from another manufacturer of the same size to use with the Breville instead of standard brass OEM?. Thanks again
Gaggia is owned by Saeco, which is now owned by Philips. I noticed that their Academica line-up resembles in design with Saeco PicoBarista, and with Philips E5000 series. Which would be more recommended, in terms of brands ? Feature-wise, they are quite similar, but the Philips models in my country retails for ~ 200$ less then their equivalent Saeco/Gaggia mashines.
Hi DB, Thanks for the questions. There is some crossover in the the 3 brands. I am not familiar with Philips E5000 machines. A quick search turned up electric toothbrushes for that model number. I believe you meant the Anima line and not the Accademia machine is similar to the PicoB. My advice, compare the specs of similar machines across the brands. If identical, go with the one which is the best value. Marc
Hello I am interested in purchasing Semi Automatic with automatic milk frother, I have been looking at the Mr Coffee One Touch Coffee House is the U.S. version , In the U.K. it's known as the Breville One Touch Coffee House, and in Spain and Latin American countries it's known as the Oster Prima Latte 6701, All look to be the same can you please post Technical review of this semi auto espresso maker ?
The U.S. version of this Semi Automatic 19 Bar is the Mr. Coffee One Touch Coffee House, is available in the U.S., All three are exactly the same machine just sold under 3 different names Breville One Touch in the U.K., in Spain and Latin America it is the Oster Prima Latte 2, Can you please do a review of this machine ?
Hi there! I am looking for THE BEST machine that can make a small coffee pot (3-5 cups) as well as no-effort-needed milk-based espresso drinks. Is there something out there like that??
Hi Amanda, Sounds like the Jura X8 would fit your needs. It's at the high-end of these machine types. It can make 2 milk based espresso beverages at that same time, does pots of coffee and a whole latte more! Check it out in my review video here: ruclips.net/video/VyC271sG5e4/видео.html and the product listing here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-x8-platinum-espresso-machine
Hi Steve, Thanks for the question. These automatic bean to cup machines use pressure same as found on semi-automatic espresso machines. I like to call the internal brew group the little barista that lives in the machine! handles all the dosing, tamping and brewing but doesn't ask for tip$. Marc
I often wonder, how good are the grinders on these machines? Can anyone provide me with some input on those. I like the idea of making an espresso and switching to regular coffee. Not a big fan of my Keurig anymore! ;)
Hi Aldo, The grinders do a fine job! Going between espresso and regular coffee is something I do everyday here in the studio. Currently using a Gaggia Babila, prior to that it was an Accademia. Very similar machines. Both have the flow control dial on the spout so you can restrict for espresso and let it flow faster for longer coffee. I typically the grinder to about 3 notches from the finest setting and leave it there regardless of whether making espresso or a travel mug of coffee. For espresso I use the highest strength setting. For tall coffees a medium strength setting. Only other thing I change is the flow dial. These machines will blow away the Keurig as far as cup quality and cost. Marc
Thanks for the info. I was looking at the Gaggia Anima Prestige. I love the Accademia because of the users’ function just a little too much $$ for me although I think you guys had a refurbished unit. Such a big jump on price but a beautiful unit.
Hi j, You can always give our experts a call at: 585-924-7170. They've used them all and would be happy to help appraise your needs and suggest a solution. Marc
Hi CE, Depends a bit on a machine but no problem doing dozens on most. But, when I get asked this question it's often because someone is thinking of using a machine commercially. Be aware these machine are intended for home/office use. Marc
Hi k, Thanks for the question. Can you call a coffee expert at Sur La Table if you have issues with the Jura? Don't get me wrong, Jura makes excellent machines. I personally have a Jura ENA Micro 90 at home. Here at the Whole Latte Love studio I use a Gaggia Babila everyday. Jura does offer customer support by phone. I would pick a machine brand based on what's important to you like features and value. If needed, one on one customer support is available for either brand. Not sure why the guy at SLT thinks Jura has better customer support. My studio is down the hall from our customer service center staffed by coffee experts. In addition, we have an in-house repair facility and resources like a support wiki, video library and more. Check out our Gaggia Support Wiki here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia We also carry Jura products and have a support wiki for those as well: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Jura-Capresso Our machine prices are typically lower. I just price checked the Gaggia Accademia. At SLT it was $1,999. It's currently $1,599 at Whole Latte Love: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine Give one of our coffee experts a call at 585-924-7170 and they can help you find the perfect machine for your needs be it a Gaggia or a Jura. Both brands have a 2 year warranty and we will meet or beat competitor pricing! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, I really appreciate your help. Honestly I'd rather buy the Breville mainly for budget reasons but am worried its as difficult as people say. Meaning you'll have to pull 2 or 3 shots just to get your "first" shot, and so many other things when they call espresso a hobby. What's your opinion? Go Breville or spend an extra $200 or $300 and get a Gaggia/Jura?
Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the question. It's essentially the same machine as the Gaggia Anima Prestige: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-anima-prestige-super-automatic-espresso-machine I have used the Gaggia extensively and like it alot! One of the best values in a one-touch bean to cup machine. Here's a video with an in-depth look at the features and capabilities of the Anima Prestige: ruclips.net/video/Xjt07jsfhCA/видео.html Marc
Thanks Marc. I figured that was the case with the two machines since they both look alike. The reason I decided to upgrade to the Saeco Incanto with the carefe is because I saw that the brew group has a 4 year warranty (don’t know if that changed or not). I do currently own the Gaggia Anima Deluxe and live it but wanted the one touch machine.
dear whole latte love, I would like your advise on the best Delonghi choice between two options: ESAM 04.350.S , or the ECAM 23.260. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE
Hi jm, Thanks for the question. Both have similar capabilities. the 04.350.S has a nicer interface. I'd choose the model with features you desire. Marc
@wholelattelove Which bean to cup machine gives you the most grind settings for espresso? I'd like to focus on being able to dial in the 'perfect' grind for a better taste.
Hi UCDUK, Thanks for the question. I'd have a look at the Gaggia Babila. It has 15 grind settings the most of any of the machines featured in this video. Between the grind settings and the flow control you get. lot of control. Marc
We have a Jura ENA3 that we got from whole latte love probably close to ten years ago. Jura doesn’t even make that model anymore, but ours is still running strong on its second steam wand. Fantastic quality machine. Morning half caf cafe mochas daily.
Hi DN, Thanks for the comment. Wow 10 years is a great run! You must take care of the machine which takes care of you!
Marc
We have the same machine. Still going strong. Great coffee. But if it ever dies, I'll probably go with the Gaggia Brera.
I love my gaggia accademia. Mine is probably 7 or 8 years old now, and we use it daily. It's been one of my favorite purchases ever and has paid for itself many times over compared to buying coffee at Starbucks. Plus Starbucks can't even come close for a quality cup of coffee compared to what I make at home.
Hi Marcel, These machines can be a life changing and wallet saving experience! Some may get a little sticker shock, but do the math and the really do pay for themselves compared to cafe coffee. And as you mention the quality is better.
Marc
which beans do you recommend?
Hey Mark,
Good vid as usual.
I've G. Brera based on ur recommendation 1.5 yrs ago, and it's still performing amazingly as good as new after, almost, exceeding 5000 essos.
More interesting, few days ago I'd something hard ((Looks like nutshell)) stuck in its grinder. The machine stopped the cycle promptly & gave a warning "Without burning the grinder" which is a smart feature adds to the value of the machine.
It gets even more amazing, when I tell u that I could disassemble the machine & the grinder to get rid of this hard thing from between the burrs of the grinder, and then reassemble it without watching any reviews or how tos, or even having the right set of screwdrivers "hex heads." It's so easy & intuitive, thank you.
Hi SE, Great to hear from you! The Brera is a rock solid performer! Take care of it with regular descaling, brew group rinsing and deep clean and I will not be surprised at all when 3 years down the road I hear your at 15,000. If you have not already done so, you might want to bookmark our support wiki for the Brera: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia_Brera/cleaning_and_maintenance It's got everything you need including manuals, diagrams, how to vids and more.
Enjoy,
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
Thank you for your kindly reply, & continued support as well as for the useful link.
The Brera is really a great investment with all these features & quality in such price.
Hi Mark, I love your very informative videos.
I have reason to believe I might be getting the Delonghi PrimaDonna Elite sometime soon as a gift. What are your thoughts about it? Is it worth it or should I make sure to emphasize that it is not worth the money? Thanks
Very thorough review and I've been enjoying them. I currently have a Saeco Odea Giro and want something similar, maybe a step up. The grinder motor just stopped working so I'm going for something reliable and resilient. What do you suggest? Thanks!
Hi JC, Thanks for the comment and question. There are a lot of options for a step up from the Saeco! It depends on what's important to you. Personally I've used a Gaggia Accademia daily for 2+ years in the studio and love it. At home I have a Jura ENA Micro 9 and like that as well. If you are in the US and would like some one on one advice give our coffee pros a call and they can help find the machine which best fits your needs: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us
Marc
Thanks for a useful video, and I have a question.
One obvious difference between either of the automatic machines I've owned and a professional machine one sees in restaurants is the rate of flow. To my eyes, it is beautiful to see the slow, light colored foam coming out of a professional machine, whereas my low end Saeco automatic does the shot in about 13 seconds.
I see that several machines, (e.g. the Gaggia Accademia) have a flow control dial. Is such a control genuinely useful? Would this control enable one to emulate the slow flow of a professional machine? Would it help one obtain the richness that slow extraction creates? If so, would you not have expected this feature to get more attention than it is getting? All I see is a quick reference here and there, without the emphasis it deserves - if it really works, that is.
Hi Bill, Thanks for the comment and questions. If you've seen my other videos in regards to the Gaggia Babila or Accademia you know I'm a huge fan of the flow control dial. It does slow down the extraction and is perfect for switching between long coffee with fast flow and espresso with slow flow. It is very useful and those two Gaggia machine produce some of the best super-auto espresso. It really does work! That said, do not expect to run a 30 second shot on any super-automatic machine. They produce fine espresso, but are engineered to do it a little faster than commercial semi-automatic machines. Super-auto's are about making it convenient. If they made espresso slower that eats into the convenience for the majority of consumers.
Marc
Thanks very much for the comment. I just came across automaticcoffeemaker.org/espresso-machine/compare-gaggia-automatic-coffee-machines-accademia-babila/ which shows a pretty slow shot when the control is used appropriately.
For what its worth, I'd gladly wait an extra 10-15 seconds to get that 30 second shot.
I am aware of some Saeco models that have a similar control. Just for the sake of options, are there any DeLonghi machines that have it?
Thanks again for your help.
Hi Mark, I am looking for a super automatic machine under $1000. Which one/s do you recommend? I checked out the Gaggia on Amazon for their reviews and it was not good. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi L&E W, Thanks for the question. This is my pick: www.wholelattelove.com/gaggia-anima-prestige-super-automatic-espresso-machine Also was the pick of PBS's Cook's World experts. Got to be careful of Amazon reviews
Marc
Hi
Which one of them can be used for commercial purpose, If yes can you please recommend...
Hi T5, Thanks for the question. All the machines here are intended for home/office use and not rated (or appropriate) for commercial use. Here's a link to a variety of automatic machines which are appropriate for commercial service: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Franke&pf_v_brand=Schaerer&pf_v_brand=Concordia&pf_v_brand=Rancilio%20Egro
The doug demuro of coffee ... good work ... really informative
Hi 808 33, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Lmao bruh really is showing us the quirks and features
Hi. So, for an office of 9 coffee drinkers plus occasional guests, an emphasis on ease of use (especially minimal cleaning!), super auto, would you recommend the Jura E8 with the Cool Control container or would you opt for the Accademia? It would be next to a refrigerator. Or do you have a different recommendation? Thank you!
Hi Matt, Sounds like the newer Jura X8 w/Cool Control is exactly what you are looking for. One of the few machines which makes 2 milk-based espresso beverages like lattes at the same time. Very easy to maintain with no descaling required, simplest milk cleaning on the market and outstanding beverage quality with the ability to mix 2 milk froth types in a single drink. Also has a well designed app so users can customize and save their personal drinks right on their phone. Here's an in-depth review of the X8 I did last week: ruclips.net/video/VyC271sG5e4/видео.html
Let me know if you have any questions! Or you can talk to our coffee experts by phone, chat, email here: www.wholelattelove.com/contact-us
Marc
Hello! How many cups should the Accademia yield before having to change the drip tray?
Love your videos, by the way!
Hi MI, Thanks for the comment and question. The Accademia has a used coffee capacity of 15 brew cycles. Depending on drinks made the machine may alert you to empty the drip tray sooner.
Marc
Can you help me choosing between jura a1 or breville express which is better for espresso making in quality and real coffee
Hi M, Thanks for the question. The Jura A1 makes excellent espresso and coffee and does so with out a lot of hassle as it's automatic. Just push a button and the machine does the rest. The Breville Barista Express is a more hands on process. With some effort it has the potential to produce a better espresso - but that requires some skill. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks for your support
Thank you. However, it is still very overwhelming/confusing for me to figure out what Semi automatic or automatic Espresso machine to get for the first time buyers? I'm not looking for ALL bells and whistles. We're mainly drip coffee drinkers but, we do enjoy Americano and latte. What we're looking for Mostly - (1) Makes Good espresso of course. (2) Ease of use and cleaning/maintenance (3) Doesn't take forever to brew as we're in a rush in the mornings and use travel mugs. (4) Milk frothing is good to have (5) anything else is bonus.
What would You recommend we look into getting for first time buyers? Do they make regular coffee? Thank you :)
Hi AM, Thanks for the question. It can be confusing. To fit travel mugs look to the Gaggia Accademia or Anima. All the machines are ready to go within a minute of turning on and brew as quick as you'd want them to. I really like the Accademia. If switching between regular coffee and espresso for a latte the flow control dial is your friend. Restrict flow for espresso and increase for a big cup of coffee. The Accademia uses a milk carafe for one-touch latte and cappuccino. When done close the carafe handle and steam is run through the milk system for cleaning before returning carafe to fridge for next time. It also has the manual steam wand if you ever want to try that. Maintenance is fairly easy. Descaling, weekly rinse of brew group and that's about it. Time between descaling can be increased significantly if you use the in tank water filter and your tap water isn't super hard. I used an Accademia daily in the studio for large coffees and occasional milk drinks for more than 2 years. I recently went to the Babila which is the same machine without programmable froth density. With my water hardness and filter use descaling is needed after about 700 cups. If you use the carafe regularly it should be deep cleaned once a week. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you, Marc for the quick response. I will check those machines out. One quick question - in your experience does it make sense to own a separate milk frothing device or would it make sense to get an espresso machine that comes with it? Mainly for, longevity of machine, ease of use, may or may not use it often etc.. We're on city water so the water is whatever city regulates. I am pretty sure it is not hard water.
Pintobean I use Fiji or Evian large bottles For just coffee or tea worth the price
Hello Mark, Could you suggest to us a machine that would serve a small local coffee shop with hot and cold coffee serves? It would be really nice if you could suggest a machine that would save some work and give the essence of the real beans.
Hi KD, Sorry for the delayed response! For a shop you want to go with commercial equipment. The automatics in this video are intended for home/office use. Here are some automatic and semi-automatic commercial options: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/commercial-espresso-machines For automatics I like the Franke machines. For semi-autos I like Dalla Corte. For a smaller shop consider the Dalla Corte Mina: www.wholelattelove.com/products/dalla-corte-mina-220v
Marc
I would like to see a comparison of which makes the best espresso and coffee, taste wise. I am also curious about the espresso shot size. I only drink double espressos and found super auto shot to be a bit weak. Was setting up a Jura (that I recommended for a friend) and found as I was dialing in the grinder for greater intensity and flavour, the vibe pump would dead head and stall when I went too fine. I was very familiar with the beans as I brought them, and they were fresh from one of the local roasters I deal with.
Curious as to who had the best temperatures and stability for superior taste.
Good espresso for good mixed drinks...
Hi TT, Thanks for the questions/comments. Taste wise... It's very difficult to characterize taste between machines due to the number of variables involved. There's the coffee beans, grind size, dose size etc. I will say I have a slight preference for the espresso made on Gaggia machines. But I work with other coffee pros who prefer Jura shots. On most Jura machines when you make a double the machine does a single grinding for a double. On most Jura machines the coffee dose ranges up to ~15g so make a double at the highest strength setting and it'll be made from about 15 grams. On Gaggia machines when you request 2 espresso or 2 coffees the machine does 2 grind cycles. Max coffee dose on most Gaggia's runs about 12g so your double is made from up to 24g depending on strength setting. All the machines have program volumes so you can set the finished liquid volume of your shots. Choking, as you described can happen if the grind is too fine. If it does you can back off the strength setting for a lower coffee dose and/or increase the grind size. As to long coffees and taste, as I mentioned in the video I love the flow control on the Accademia and the Babila. I've been using the Accademia for 2 plus years and now a Babila for the last year for 2 large coffees every morning and a double espresso in the afternoon here in the studio. I'm too lazy to change the grind size all the time so I just up the flow rate for long coffees and turn it all the way down for espresso. It works well for me! When I'm working with a new super-auto machine for espresso I start the setup by setting grind at 1 setting short of the finest, temp and dose/strength) to the highest and 1oz/30ml volume for a single. If the machine has pre-infusion I turn that on. Then pull some shots and make adjustments if needed. Most times I'll end up going to the finest grind setting. I do occasionally run into some coffees which do choke the machines at finest grind setting.
Hope that helps,
Marc
Thanks Mark, as usual great work reviewing and guiding customers through the many options for great coffee.
I have a question though regarding super-automatic machines. Is there any rational basis for my fear of brewing my daily espresso in plastic, since all super-automatic machine have brew units made of plastic, which will be exposed to 200 degree temperature while brewing? Is there any data on the type of plastic used to make brew units in super-automatics? I've been wanting to buy the Accademia for a few months now, but hesitating due to this fear. I Have looked at a Breville dual boiler or Oracle merely because I am thinking the brewing heat is in metal brew head. Any comment or data? Thanks a lot.
Hi hayan, I can't say I have any hard data other than the materials used in the machines are food grade. I'm also fairly certain none of these machines come with a prop 65 warning when delivered to California. I do see that on some semi-auto prosumer level machines with metal boilers, group heads and portafilters. On those machines it's usually related to the brass used. IMO it's not an issue as companies have started using newer brass formulations. In the past the brass was treated to remove lead to a certain depth and then plated. Even if the the plating is damaged by scratching the older machines do not cause a lead level which causes it to fail testing. I understand your concern. It is valid but I don't think plastics in these machines put you at any risk.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks much. That is very helpful indeed. One last question on semi-automatic machines, please. If I buy a semi-automatic machine (leaning towards breville) with a 58mm brass portafilter; can I buy a standalone stainless steel portafilter from another manufacturer of the same size to use with the Breville instead of standard brass OEM?. Thanks again
Thoughts on the Xelsis?
Gaggia is owned by Saeco, which is now owned by Philips. I noticed that their Academica line-up resembles in design with Saeco PicoBarista, and with Philips E5000 series. Which would be more recommended, in terms of brands ? Feature-wise, they are quite similar, but the Philips models in my country retails for ~ 200$ less then their equivalent Saeco/Gaggia mashines.
Hi DB, Thanks for the questions. There is some crossover in the the 3 brands. I am not familiar with Philips E5000 machines. A quick search turned up electric toothbrushes for that model number. I believe you meant the Anima line and not the Accademia machine is similar to the PicoB. My advice, compare the specs of similar machines across the brands. If identical, go with the one which is the best value.
Marc
Hello I am interested in purchasing Semi Automatic with automatic milk frother, I have been looking at the Mr Coffee One Touch Coffee House is the U.S. version , In the U.K. it's known as the Breville One Touch Coffee House, and in Spain and Latin American countries it's known as the Oster Prima Latte 6701, All look to be the same can you please post Technical review of this semi auto espresso maker ?
Hi Alex, Thanks for the request. I'd love to help but those models are not available to me in the US.
Marc
The U.S. version of this Semi Automatic 19 Bar is the Mr. Coffee One Touch Coffee House, is available in the U.S., All three are exactly the same machine just sold under 3 different names Breville One Touch in the U.K., in Spain and Latin America it is the Oster Prima Latte 2, Can you please do a review of this machine ?
Hi there! I am looking for THE BEST machine that can make a small coffee pot (3-5 cups) as well as no-effort-needed milk-based espresso drinks. Is there something out there like that??
Hi Amanda, Sounds like the Jura X8 would fit your needs. It's at the high-end of these machine types. It can make 2 milk based espresso beverages at that same time, does pots of coffee and a whole latte more! Check it out in my review video here: ruclips.net/video/VyC271sG5e4/видео.html and the product listing here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-x8-platinum-espresso-machine
Are bean to cup pressurized or no?
Hi Steve, Thanks for the question. These automatic bean to cup machines use pressure same as found on semi-automatic espresso machines. I like to call the internal brew group the little barista that lives in the machine! handles all the dosing, tamping and brewing but doesn't ask for tip$.
Marc
Hey mark , amazing review. What do you think of jura e8 ?
I often wonder, how good are the grinders on these machines? Can anyone provide me with some input on those. I like the idea of making an espresso and switching to regular coffee. Not a big fan of my Keurig anymore! ;)
Hi Aldo, The grinders do a fine job! Going between espresso and regular coffee is something I do everyday here in the studio. Currently using a Gaggia Babila, prior to that it was an Accademia. Very similar machines. Both have the flow control dial on the spout so you can restrict for espresso and let it flow faster for longer coffee. I typically the grinder to about 3 notches from the finest setting and leave it there regardless of whether making espresso or a travel mug of coffee. For espresso I use the highest strength setting. For tall coffees a medium strength setting. Only other thing I change is the flow dial. These machines will blow away the Keurig as far as cup quality and cost.
Marc
Thanks for the info. I was looking at the Gaggia Anima Prestige. I love the Accademia because of the users’ function just a little too much $$ for me although I think you guys had a refurbished unit. Such a big jump on price but a beautiful unit.
great video!
Hi Nando, Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Marc
Just moved inti my first house, trying to choose a coffee machine to live with is harder then I thought.
Hi j, You can always give our experts a call at: 585-924-7170. They've used them all and would be happy to help appraise your needs and suggest a solution.
Marc
How many coffee cups per day , it is suited for?
Hi CE, Depends a bit on a machine but no problem doing dozens on most. But, when I get asked this question it's often because someone is thinking of using a machine commercially. Be aware these machine are intended for home/office use.
Marc
I wanted to get a gaggia but the guy in Sur La Table said Jura has better customer support. Is that true?
Hi k, Thanks for the question. Can you call a coffee expert at Sur La Table if you have issues with the Jura? Don't get me wrong, Jura makes excellent machines. I personally have a Jura ENA Micro 90 at home. Here at the Whole Latte Love studio I use a Gaggia Babila everyday. Jura does offer customer support by phone. I would pick a machine brand based on what's important to you like features and value. If needed, one on one customer support is available for either brand. Not sure why the guy at SLT thinks Jura has better customer support. My studio is down the hall from our customer service center staffed by coffee experts. In addition, we have an in-house repair facility and resources like a support wiki, video library and more. Check out our Gaggia Support Wiki here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia We also carry Jura products and have a support wiki for those as well: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Jura-Capresso Our machine prices are typically lower. I just price checked the Gaggia Accademia. At SLT it was $1,999. It's currently $1,599 at Whole Latte Love: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-accademia-espresso-machine Give one of our coffee experts a call at 585-924-7170 and they can help you find the perfect machine for your needs be it a Gaggia or a Jura. Both brands have a 2 year warranty and we will meet or beat competitor pricing!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc,
I really appreciate your help. Honestly I'd rather buy the Breville mainly for budget reasons but am worried its as difficult as people say. Meaning you'll have to pull 2 or 3 shots just to get your "first" shot, and so many other things when they call espresso a hobby. What's your opinion? Go Breville or spend an extra $200 or $300 and get a Gaggia/Jura?
Does it make a Cuban coffee shot?
Hi MT, Sorry it does not.
What are your thoughts on the Saeco Incanto HD8917/48?
Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the question. It's essentially the same machine as the Gaggia Anima Prestige: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-anima-prestige-super-automatic-espresso-machine
I have used the Gaggia extensively and like it alot! One of the best values in a one-touch bean to cup machine. Here's a video with an in-depth look at the features and capabilities of the Anima Prestige: ruclips.net/video/Xjt07jsfhCA/видео.html
Marc
Thanks Marc.
I figured that was the case with the two machines since they both look alike.
The reason I decided to upgrade to the Saeco Incanto with the carefe is because I saw that the brew group has a 4 year warranty (don’t know if that changed or not). I do currently own the Gaggia Anima Deluxe and live it but wanted the one touch machine.
I want start bussinse India can u please give suggestions
can the Gaggia Anima XL use preground coffee instead of the beans as well?
Hi Shardana, The XL does not have pre-ground capability.
Thank god you exist!
noelly89 Hi, morning hanks for the comment!
Marc
What is the quality of kasa
Hi Tracey, the kasa?
What about Nivona, the German brand? Do you have any reviews of them?
Hi Robert, Sorry I do not :(
Marc
dear whole latte love, I would like your advise on the best Delonghi choice between two options: ESAM 04.350.S , or the ECAM 23.260. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE
Hi jm, Thanks for the question. Both have similar capabilities. the 04.350.S has a nicer interface. I'd choose the model with features you desire.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you Marc for the valuable information.
@wholelattelove Which bean to cup machine gives you the most grind settings for espresso? I'd like to focus on being able to dial in the 'perfect' grind for a better taste.
Hi UCDUK, Thanks for the question. I'd have a look at the Gaggia Babila. It has 15 grind settings the most of any of the machines featured in this video. Between the grind settings and the flow control you get. lot of control.
Marc
Hi there, what about the Miele cm6350. What are your thoughts?
how money price???
"Accademia" should be the one that takes 8 years to make.
Flow dial I think I love you...
Hi DP, Thanks for the comment. Def my favorite feature as I'm switching between long coffee and espresso everyday. It makes a huge difference!
Marc
Does anybody he know if gaggia is related to searco? component are the same or very similar!
Hi Mike, Thanks for the question. They are related (Phillips) and do share some similar components.
Marc
Volue?
???
The Gaggia Academia is just a rebodied Saeco Excelsis Evo. Good, because the new Excelsis is terrible.
Or is the EVO a rebodied Accademia? LOL. We no longer carry new Saeco products.
what about sugar ?
Hi BUH, What about it?
You add it afterwards if that's what you are asking. If you are asking for which brand of sugar to buy then 🤦♀️
Delonghi
slapen koffie en niet warm ben er niet kapot van
$1500 for the one touch machine... Ouch.