The Megami Tensei Timeline - Year of Megaten (January)
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2017
- Hello and welcome to my first video in the year of megaten
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that moment when dancing all night is super cannon to persona 5 because it redoubled rises intrest into being an idol and one of the posters in game features her and is flat out named an "idol poster" if you get it in your room
Powerprotoman there's kanamin in the poster too
In the subway
Soo, Tokyo Mirage seccions is cannon?
@@jesusramirezromo2037 everything is canon in the amala network even the bad games like demi kids
Yeah but you never explained where Snowboard Kids fits in
Yeah, I assumed you were joking at first, and you still might be, YET Jack Frost is an unlockable character in SBK, so SBK universe=SMT universe confirmed.
ATLUS EXPLAAAAIIIIN.
ahhhh snowboard kids xD great game
zelda fans: my series has the most confusing timeline
megaten fans: (crying)
Blaze blue fans: "You do not want to know how our lore even works."
@@jexunder9303 metal gear solid fans: yes
Meanwhile fate stay night
Now imagine all of this plus Devil May Cry timeline. lol
its there. and man do i have a lot to play
He also forgot the Fire Emblem series lol
Maybe before pr after DMC 1 Dante entered the Amala network and decided to do a contract with Lucifer in SMT 3 lol
I have a theory that the dmc remake is actually the post conception ending
@@nxrevolution3289 are you serious?
Me: Man, I so much fun playing Persona 5, and the the earler games seem really fun too!
*plays P3 after beating P5*
"Shin Megami Tensei"? What kind of subtitle is that?
*a few Google searches later*
Oh I get it. Persona was a spin off from a largee series! They even have all the same shadows! So that meams there are other games just like P5! I wonder how they are all connected... Oh, theres a youtube video here... maybe it'll explain all that weird shit at the end of P5...
*watches video*
_what the fuck_
Me Literally
The fuck are demons
@@unknownknife4993 Literally demons from religion, only that there are also demons that resemble mythological figures like Odin, Loki, Thor, Zeus, etc.
@@voidlooksback this is wrong, it's not just demons from religions. it's pretty much just alot of mythological figures and monsters. plus they really aren't even demons, but more of another side of humanity. That dude was kidding anyways
Also Me: I need to buy these games. CONSUME MORE.
some points I like but others not so much, also isnt it confirmation Vincent's inclusion in P3P to just be a cameo and have no connection to Persona or any other smt game other than the fact a Goddess is attacking humans
That's why I said maybe, but I like to believe it ;)
Nyth Grandbeard I vaguely remember an interview with the game's director where he stated that it took place in Chicago and not in japan like the cameo of p3p implys.
Nyth Grandbeard Also your almost out of time for February
new video up in a few minutes ;)
Nyth Grandbeard just watched it XD
Everything was spot on except that the Devil Survivor games might be right after Strange Journey and before SMT4 because of the SDF mentions, The Demonica's, and The mention of God's Plan from DS 1
other than that it was spot on
That would be a neat possibility I never considered
Sosuke Samagara also P4DAN is cannon
Jacob Kenerson
I've known that for a long time
I didn't think that there could be a timeline more confusing then Kingdom Hearts.
You have proved me wrong.
Lol
KH was never hard, it's just long
KH is just a long straight line with a lot to remember
warc9 none of these things are confusing
It’s just ALternate universes
And KH is just a long 9 game series so there’s going to be a lot of shit to remember
kh is easy to understand change my mind
@@domm6157 lol ppl are just mad key plot points are in a gacha game
And I thought Zelda timeline was bad
Sir- Kek-on
Well at least the Zelda timeline is explained in a way it can make sense.
This time line was grasping at straws, but to be honest, that's why I love timelines like this.
I love timelines where you need to speculate and grasp at straws. I'd even have fun trying to make a timeline for Mario games.
I almost wish there wasn't an official Zelda timeline so I can speculate on it myself.
There's just three branches of the Zelda timeline. One where link dies to ganon going into the chaos era of Hyrule link to the past. The timeline that continues when link is sent back in time to MM TP. The one where Zelda rebuilds Hyrule after sending link back into ww. Still no clarification of BOTW. Ocarina of Time link was probably the weakest and worst link of all his incarnations. Shin megami tensei can be broken up into chaos timeline where it's every man for himself or the privileged let's be all commu and fight for friends. The chaos time lines are definitely better
'bad' more like, 'confusing as hell'
At least Zelda’s timeline can be explained.
o ho ho megaten timeline is more confusing than you thought
6:55
It's entirely possible that Nakajima never released his version of the Demon summoning program to the public, and that stephen simply invented the same or a very similar version of the program entirely independent of Nakajima.
Well, technically Stephan work on teleportation, when he find out that digitized humans still live inside computer in expanding virtual reality, filled by personifications of human emotions as religious figures. He start experimenting on this subject, when during coincidental disaster he actually teleported back one of demons instead test subject (what put him in wheelchair). This mean that implications of this technology far suppress initial expectations. It is when he find out that his boss start installing suspicions devices in electronic over the world. So in order to prevent him from taking control over the world he leak hack program, what allowed anyone remote access to teleoperation network. It is what Demon Summoning Program is (in short DSP). But it is actually far easier put users into one of simulated worlds then actually take stuff from those, as mass still need come from somewhere. In this case Nakajima who created occult simulation program as a joke, probably coincidently used DSP as part of the code, hacking teleportation network. Similarly SEBEK used this same code in they DEVA system (for reminder we learn about mysterious underground facility under school in P3 and supermarket in P4). So those events aren't a coincidence.
Though that of course is only one of possible interpretations. Though my favorite as it actually avoid most of magical BS.
Where the underrated games fit:
Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushinroku (False Goddess Reincarnation) takes place in a alternate universe to SMT 1 according to wikia.
Shin Megami Tensei:20XX is a side story take takes place between SMT 1 and SMT 2 along with its Prequel SMT: 20XX Devil's Colosseum
SMT Devil Hunter Zero and SMT Dx2 Liberation could take place after Devil Survivor 2.
Aigis: First Mission canonically takes place 10 years before the events of Persona 3.
SMT If...: Hazama Chapter takes place before SMT If...
(Feel free to state what I missed)
The beauty about the SMT franchise is that any ending or ordeals, can create a different universe. SPOILER for SMT 4 Apocalypse dlc notes.
Stephens explains that there are worlds that Flynn created that wasn't the current one that Nanashi lived in. Such as siding with the alien, Lucifer, Siding Merkabah, Making the world into nothing or the neutral route where Nanashi declined Dagda's offer. So it's possible for it all to be connected and it gives the creator's to make a story based on any endings of the franchise. It was on that first note that Stephen pretty much said all endings are canon.
Its confirmed in in some notes in SMT IV or final that the white ending happened in 1 universe
In DDS2 there's a pretty major optional sidequest which ties into SMT II. In the quest you have to face all 4 Archangels before eventually fighting Satan in the final dungeon. The interesting thing is that all of the Archangels and Satan make clear reference to the fact that their solar data isn't just that of any normal demons but that it's very likely crossed over from the universe of SMT II. The Archangels seem really fucking confused about this since they know nothing of DDS2's universe but it's also very important because it implies they haven't been there for very long at all so there's a decent chance SMT II and DDS2 are almost happening at the same time.
Your best bet is just to forget Megami Tensei since its clear they got rebooted to Shin Megami Tensei
This is late but today they release a trailer for smt v thats shows lucifer and if you think a litlle you can conect noctune and digital devil story 2 to the new entry of smt 5( go for the true devil ending on nocturne and good ending on dvs mt2)
He didn't. But technically it doesn't exclude the continuity.
im pretty new to the series so idk half these games but it was fun to watch. you put a really good video together.
Sorry to be the what music guy, but what is the song at 12:30 ?
Meti 'Not The Bad Guy' kimi no tonari the ending theme to persona 2 innocent sin.
Meti what the fuck are you doing here
Why the fuck is meti here
Why are u here tho
Great video! I love the fun doodles explaining things
Thanks to your chart and additional infos this is more clearer than I could ever hope for
This is by far the best explained video I’ve seen on this topic, I loved it!
this is why I love megaten, the games allow you to loosely create your own interpretations on how they are connected, the only game I couldn't really fit in was DeSU2
I don't know enough smt to agree or disagree but I can tell you that P2: EP doesn't not overwrite/erase IS. At the end of EP Tatsuya says he's going back t his world to rebuild, so that universe exists, but it's more an alternate universe.
If you considering Dante from dmc as a alternative cannon then let’s just say that SMT 3 nocturne happened at the end of DMC 2 Dante’s story during the time Dante was at hell which was a gateway to that world take took place in Nocturne & SOMEHOW, he found a way to come back home at Lucia’s ending.
It’s not clear how but we can say it’s somekind of demon teleportation that Dante found a way to use it to get back to his home thus leading to DMC4!
Digital Devil Saga happen - Demi-Fiend: Just passing through
Omg the covers of the first few SMT games looks like the the cover of Gorrilaz's demon dayz cover
IM SO HYPE FOR THIS SERIES
I love you. You fixed my problem with so many 'theory' videos which rely on Easter eggs. And when criticized they use the six degrees of separation as a scapegoat. Thank you for not doing that.
*Mind blown*
Thanks a lot for your awesome timeline theory, man. c:
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Manjin Tensei, Manjin Tensei: Blind Thinker II, Manjin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis, and Ronde( Technically Majin Tensei III) take place in an alternative universe where only Megami Tensei 1 and 2 happened since Atlus stated those games are now canon.
Thor nuking Japan is probably the weirdest bit of lore until Stephen NotHawking gets involved in the 3DS era.
*definitely not YHVH
“trust me, it makes sense in context” pretty much sums up all of megami tensei
subscribed liked your videos regarding megaten lately
Besides the weird spongebob music at the beginning which threw me off a bit xD....great video overall
Although I don't entirely agree with placing Catherine here
But I do have a theory regarding how Tartarus and the "TV"world might be connected to the expanse\Makai but I'll save that until i fully play Persona 5 cuz delving too deep into that would cause me to go into massive spoilers
So . . . Did you beat p5 yet?
@@margarcia9514 i am also waiting to know
@@owenburke3532 I wait as well
I would like to hear your theory. 3 years is plenty of time. Regardless I’ll say my own thoughts since you may never return to this comment: Both the TV world and Dark Hour occur at midnight. It’s safe to say that midnight is a mystical time. I think p5 allows free entry into the cognitive world (and this world can be projected in multiple ways) is because of the Nav app allowing them access. The other wild card users don’t receive an app and therefore have to wait for certain conditions to traverse the cognitive world. I feel like these metaverses is just the sea of souls where the velvet room is. That would explain why it was in Mementos.
We desperately need more hands on deck researching SMT lore and/or get SMT 5 to give us straight answers
YHVH looks like my brother painted gold after he gets kicked in the nuts.
I'm so fucking lost
Don’t worry, it makes sense in context.
I love how after the apocalypse there are still video games
The most fun part of this chart is inclusion of catherine that makes the bartender a YHVH or at least a pieces of him lol
My timeline includes Fire emblem and Tokyo mirage sessions so its objectively better...
Than i will ad Shadow Hearts into the timeline.
Nice b8 m8
mine includes Fortnite, Metal Gear and Tekken, so fight me
Except they literally said that the fire emblem characters came from other worlds. That includes the enemies too. They didn't come from the expanse so I don't feel it's connected. Maybe if they make a sequel we'll see more traditional SMT and FE gameplay.
Take that idol Bs out
Maybe each of different games occur in their own Universe, using the Multiverse theory. Where the ties is the multiple choices and endings of the games can lead to creation of multiple Universes, like the Zelda or Pokemon parallel universe or multiverse.
oh my god this was made when people still honestly thought dmc2 came after 4
Soo in a nutshell, this a series of games that you Bond with demons of law or of chaos to make you own path. Depending of the path you chose it may lead the world to law or chaos and create different realities based if you wanted to go with God or with the devil. Mainline is basically all of this but with a post apocalyptic Japan, and the persona timeline is where the day is saved and the world doesn't get destroyed
I'd like to propose an addendum. P3P happens after P3 the Journey yet before the Answer. Allow me to present my case:
At the end of the Journey, the protagonist becomes the great seal, becoming a weird stone thing both living as the seal and dying as a person. Additionally Persona 3 and Persona 3 Portable have a very unique New Game Plus (at least in the persona series) where the protagonist keeps his level while the rest of the cast resets. So if we look at the Journey and P3P as stories told from the protagonist's perspective, it can be seen as the protagonist reliving the last year of his life to occupy his mind (or maintain the seal or whatever), trying to see what he could have done differently or even how that year would have changed if he were a different gender. It should also be noted that The Answer doesn't have a New Game Plus, probably because the cast and protagonist get to keep moving forward with life at the end not reliving the events that led to their deaths.
Just a theory but I think it holds water PLUS it makes the FeMC from P3 cannon and that makes me happy
shes canon now dude!!
You're batshit insane
Totally make sense
If only there was some madlad out there who would make a chart of the SMT timeline, the Persona timeline, the DMC timeline, the Fire Emblem timeline, and the Bayonetta timeline and where exactly they all connect
Amala universe is probably only tangentially connected through and Outrealm to the fuckery that is FE timelines
Maybe Stephen made a different demon summoning program, completely unaware of Nakajima's. Also great video :D
I love it! Where can I see and study your timeline? Can I print it for my reference? Is there a web page?
I came into this video looking to understand more of the Megami Tensei timeline and left more confused LMAO
🙌 thanks
Really enjoy your content man. I actually just started doing a megaten compendium Starting with what I call the Bel edition from devil survivor . If you have any advice for me since I'm just starting out I'd appreciate it. Keep up the videos man. I stay Subscribed lol
Uh, that bit about Vincent's cameo included in P3P and the Full Body DLC with Joker, it's pretty much the same thing as the episode of The Simpsons where they cross-over with Futurama. Sure, it's a fun and memorable cross-over, but it's hard to consider it canon because of a few continuity issues, such as how in Catherine, Vincent talks about his problems not with the P3 protagonist, but with his colleges and it takes place at a completely different setting and city which isn't Port Island and also that if you look at Persona 5, several details strongly hints at Catherine existing in the Persona universe as a fictional franchise much like here in the real world, and some details of Full Body hints at the other way around. So, if each series exist in the other as a fictional franchise, there's no way they can take place in the same universe, right?
Okay now I’m curious if the Persona series exists in the Dante edition for Nocturne. It doesn’t really mean a whole lot, but it makes me wonder for sure.
This makes enough sense for me to accept it as fact until someone tells me otherwise
That alef storyline sounds just like the one with Satan and God in Devilman
The Spongebob music for Megami Tensei I + II was hilarious.
IT'S ALL CONNECTED
Hmm its an interesting concept. I view it as this:
SMT1 >[Inbetween you have SMT Online]> SMT 2 (assuming you take the neutral route from SMT1)> SMT 3 in reality is a what if to 1 and 2 but a continuation, in where Teleportation wasnt discovered and Steven is dead. Aleph from 2 is now forever in the Amala Network and was reincarnated as Hijiri. Im assuming SMT 2 Earth just died and never was reincarnated as hinted in 3 when it is stated its a possibility of not happening.
SMT Strange Journey is a separate universe altogether though it was always a possible future as the tech appears in SMT 4.
SMT 4 and Final are the events of 1 and 2 happening about 10 to 15 years later than it should have happened.
SMT 4 Final is like SMT1 where the neutral route is taken leading to Final which is SMT2. Nanashi maybe another reincarnate of Aleph or as Stephen King would call him in the dark tower series a Twinner.
There was something I was thinking a while back, Aleph is a Hebrew letter which shows in the Tarot card the Fool. I believe Aleph's curse spreads further throughout the universe, making me think he is Cain in some way, which would tie him to the Survivor series and the persona series, as Cain was the first human to commit the ultimate sin.
But Cain got punished by god after killing his brother and not after fighting YHVH.
confusing as fuck. Great video indeed though! i need to play through more of the SMT backlog.
Robert Elander There are some you may want to skip as they aren't exactly the best games
Is this an updated version of a previous video. I could have sworn you had another smt multiverse video.
Nope this is the only one, for like a week the video was taken down because of some copyright junk, but i fixed it
What happens with SMT:NINE and SMT:Imagine, they are there but are no explained
Thanks Atlas
me who watched this so he knows whats going on before he buys shin megami tense 5 thank you now i can go in wit more knowledge
Before chemistry confused me now Atlus and Capcom confuses me
10:02 I notice that there is a red arrow under the black arrow, what does this mean?
I would love to see an update on this
so how could i make this tie into Fire emblem? i have been making a fire emblem rom hack that is a remake of the third game but demons and characters from SMT rather appear out of nowhere at a convient plot point, but I do not have an honest idea on how to tie it in well. My original concept was something about the yamato reactor bringing them to the world of FE but other than that i got nothing lol
Robby that sounds awesome
If you think about
The dmc remake was actually a post game conception ending
Pretty solid timeline. The split that leads to the Devil Summoner/Persona universe is actually pretty straightforward I think.
Obviously putting Devil May Cry into it, even if tongue in cheek, is a lot harder now as of DMC5 (and the retconning of DMC2 taking place between DMC1 and 4 now.). I think an easy way around that is to just say that while DMC2 era Dante was lost in Hell for a while before finding his way back, he maybe travelled to another universe for a bit, before backtracking to try and find the "right" portal back to his univerese again. Places like Hell don't have to abide by the same rules as the "normal" mortal world I figure.
To be honest, I still think the Zelda timeline(s) are weirder, if only because there's so much guess work with implied details some times, and other times just educated guessing whereas at least the Megami Tensei timeline branches are somewhat supported by the games' tendencies towards multiple endings and a somewhat established supernatural glue that binds it all together.
Kinda interesting how Digital Devil Story, the first thing ever appearing out of SMT universe, had Loki as the main antagonist. While the "official" starting point, the first SMT, had Thor as the main baddie. Thor and Loki always find new ways to be relevant in anything. SMT, MCU, God of War. Seriously
thor is far from the main villain of smt 1 lol he dies within the first 5ish hours and the game goes on for like another 20 after he nukes tokyo
I like it!
Only History that should be taught in school lmao
how are Jack Bro and Demi Kids/Devil Children related? idk much about them
also were do Majin Tensei and Last Bible fit in?
I think Jack Bros Demi Kids are irrelevant since they dont provide anything to the actual timeline and there's no mention of them anywhere else
Dante: So where do I fit in all of this?
Well this is something. I think I kinda understand the timeline of SMT universe. At least it wasn't THAT complicated unlike Kingdom Hearts. I love your vid and your cute drawings.
Came here in 2024, more confused than ever.
Here's a theory about how devil may cry blends with megami tensei. If anyone knows devil may cry ends with 2 because devil may cry 2 takes place after devil may cry 4, at the end of devil may cry 2 we see Dante ride off into a deeper part of hell due to being trapped in hell. What if he actually ended up I'm nocturne due to a portal being open and him going through said portal. My assumption is that this portal opens due to the end of the original world being destroyed and a gated way open they just so happen to allow Dante to escape hell but appear in the realm of the recreation the difficult theory is figuring out what happens next. I understand cameos but to me it doesn't seem like just a cameo
Devil may cry 5 takes place after dmc 2.
Plus dmc isn't an atlus property he's only in nocturne as a cameo
They changed the order dmc 4 takes place after dmc2
I've seen some variations of the timeline that has Devil Summoner in between SMT if.... and P1, and Soul Hackers between P1 and P2. What makes you place them before any of those game within that universe?
Devil Summoner 1 takes place at the same time as SMTIf
in Devil Summoner 1 its mentioned on the news the antagonists of SMT1 Thorman died of heart failure and Gotou was arrested for hoarding weapons and confessed that he was trying to start a revolution
if we go by Tamaki in P1 (1996), 199X of SMT1 and Devil Summoner is probably 1995 since Tamaki isnt that much older
I think raidou kuzunoha is connected to persona 2
Raidou takes place a good 60 years before SMTif, Devil Summoner, and P1 in 1932
it was confirmed by old Atlus (after the Raidou games tho is when they stopped connecting things that wasnt Persona)
Raidou > Raidou 2 > Law end > SMT1 > SMT2 (a character in Raidou1 time traveled from the time of SMT2 to stop SMT1)
Raidou > Raidou 2 > Neural end > SMTif > Devil Summoner > Persona (SMT1 is prevented)
Raidou > Raidou 2 > Chaos end > Nocturne (confirmed by the japanese only re-release of Nocturne that replaces Dante with Raidou as canon and shows him going back to his time after the credits)
heres my timeline which is the most accurate one that exist (ive literally spent over a year searching for japanese only material from the 90s, books from the 80s and interviews from Atlus to put this together)
i.imgur.com/cSzCgVB.jpg
and if you mean the Kuzunoha Detective agency in P2 thats from the original Devil Summoner game and the person running it Daisuke Todoroki is being possessed by Kyouji Kuzunoha (from Devil Summoner) at the time
Tamaki from SMTif is wearing the same uniform as fellow Kuzunoha Clan Devil Summoner Rei Reiho (from Devil Summoner) in P2 as well while Kyouji is training her
another thing from DS in P2 is Dr. Victors ship (Victor Frankenstein is the Igor of Devil Summoner showing up in all games ((as well as a younger version of him in the Raidou games)) fusing Demons in the Gouma-Den. And Gouma-Den attendance are also themed after Frankenstein character like the Velvet Room attendance with Mary Shelley in DSSoul Hackers)
also Tsutomu Kurouri from P1 is the nephew of "T-Shirt" Isono from Devil Summoner
Wow. I'll go with it :)
ha zelda timeline is hard don't make me laugh that's child's play compare to this
It honestly is
With 1 video I understood that timeline
But im still somewhat confused for this timeline
The Devil May Cry Timeline,The Fire Emblem Timeline and The Yazuka Timeline lol those too.
So the persona universe experienced its death and rebirth after philamon resets, giving the persona 2 cast a chance?
So the reason the izanagi of persona 4 wear high school cloth is because it is the hero of megami tensei.
i started with persona 3 i got as a Christmas gift that the gifter later admitted they got last minute out of the bargin bin now 7 years later i have spent almost 1000 hours in this series
never bin so happy someone got my gift last minute, i may have never gotten into it otherwise
I need the list of music made use in this video so I can go listen
Does anyone know what the name of the song that play when explation of person started?
Here ya go ruclips.net/video/aq_jMLavtLM/видео.html
11:44 can anyone tell me the name of this game?
i am guess the name of this game is shin megami tensei devil summoner VS nocturne XD
What game is the song at 6:00 from??
I fell stupid for saying this, but is TMS#FE cannon to the series or no? If it is cannon to the series does that mean the fire emblem series is connected like the devil may cry series. I also fell that if it had to be but into the timeline that it will be 2 years be for persona 5 do to them using smartphones, because in p4 they mostly used flip phones.
There are no clear signs that #FE connect to any of the other games. However it is very safe to assume that #FE is another world in the vast Amala Universe. As for if it connects with other fire emblem games I think the way characters were developed (especially tiki) they have no recollection of each other so I'd venture to say no.
Loki mcu meet loki smt : " Why I look like from hell"
Cool how SMT Nine’s events are so irrelevant that it was just skipped over. Nice.
It should be called "Stephen's universe"
This timeline is bogus and has A TON of flaws.
1: Dancing All Night is 100% canon to the Persona timeline. Persona 5 confirms this. It takes place a little less than a year after Persona 4 and a few months after the Golden Epilogue. (September 2012)
2: Persona Q, Q2, and P3/P5 dancing are all semi-canon. They technically did happen, but happened in worlds "outside of time and space" so none of the characters remember them and it didn't impact the main world at all. The only ones who remember are the velvet Siblings since they're already outside of time.
3: Raido 2 has a three way split timeline. Law Ending leads to SMT1 and SMT2, Chaos Ending leads to Nocturne and SMT5, and Neutral leads to DS/Persona.
4: DMC2 takes place between DMC1 and DMC4, not after DMC4.
5: SMT9 is canon to the main timeline taking place at the same time as SMT Imagine. (between SMT1 pre and post time skip)
6: DeSu is a different timeline to the rest of the series because God is actually somewhat benevolent there. The only connection is that Honda's early bad ending/Yuzu's non-8th day ending or bad 8th day ending MAY lead to SMT4/4A, but is unlikely due to God in DeSu being so different than his incarnation in 4A. The split was likely in ancient times when Bel won against God but God later got revenge by splitting Bel into fragments.
7: SJ is NOT connected to SMT4. After SJ Neutral the swartzvelt comes back and kills everyone, not nukes. The only ending where that could potentially happen in Redux's new neutral, but considering humanity is still around thousands of years later that's highly unlikely since in SMT4 gods plan takes place in 2013.
8: Also, some people did survive the nukes post-gods plan as seen in Blasted Tokyo where the dome didn't exist. Due to time dilation inside the dome over 1500 years passed in the "real world" outside the dome while only 25 years passed in Tokyo. This means that by the end of SMT4 the world outside the dome has likely recovered from the nukes and humanity is probably decently repopulated. Remember, 1500 years ago in the real world was the FREAKING ROMAN EMPIRE. That's a lot longer than you may think, over 50 generations. If God's Plan happened in let's say 2013, 1500 years later would be 3513 AD which is FAR into the future. The world can CERTAINLY recover in that long of a time.
9: Cathrine takes place in the far future. The entire game actually takes place in a space colony, not on earth. And, in canon, the entire game of Cathrine is just a pulpy late night TV drama put on by a few notable daemons (mainly Ishtar) though Vincent's (or at least a version of Vincent) appearance in P3P brings question to this theory of Vincent being a fictional character. Maybe the "Vincent" in P3P is just his actor? IDK.
10: MT1 is canon to SMT1, but not MT2. Nakajima didn't develop the actual DSP, just a prototype of it. Steven made the actual finished version.
11: Demikids is a different universe altogether and is NOT connected to Jack Bros.
12: DDS is not connected to any other game besides itself. The split was likely in ancient times where Brahman claimed the empirian throne instead of God. However, the sun in DDS contains data from all worlds, which is why you're able to fight the Demi Fiend from SMT3 as well as the archangels and Satan from SMT2.
Spit your shi🗣️
How can DDS take place after an ending in nocturne where the world doesn’t get fixed?
Didn't someone in SMT If recall seeing someone running around with a COMP and a dog?
SMT1 prologue still happened but Devil Summoners fought back the Demon invasion
in Devil Summoner 1 (which takes place at the same time as SMTIf and SMT1 prologuue) its mentioned on the news Thorman died of heart failure and Gotou was arrested for hoarding weapons and confessed that he was trying to start a revolution
if we go by Tamaki in P1 (1996), 199X of SMT1 and Devil Summoner is probably 1995 since Tamaki isnt that much older
I guess my simple version is wrong.
I thought that is looked like Persona->Devil Survivor/Summoner->SMT (with other sandwiched in there somewhere) due to it seeming like a slow progression from thought forms to full demons.
I based this on only playing P5, Devil Survivor 2, and SMT4/4A.
I read the explanation of the Nature of the Demons in SMT4 (the Yamato Reactor part) and the nature of Personas as explained in P5, saw the level of devastation in DS2 and SMT4 with the lack of said devastation in P5.
Seems about right.
1:45 FUCK ME THAT SCARED THE SHIT OF ME man i was home alone at the time
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Yo Nyth, here's a question. There's a lot of timelines and universes in the SMT franchise, and I've noticed that there might be some untold stories in some games regarding the demons. For example, let's take Megami Tensei and SMT 1. In Megami Tensei, Loki was being a huge douche and I'd imagine he was an agent of the Chaos alignment, and in SMT 1, Thor disguised as a general, nukes Tokyo and the world in the name of YHWH if I remember correctly. But you see them both in Nocturne on the opposite spectrum at the beginning of the games, Thor is with the Chaos folks going all "Might is right!" And Loki is with the Law party running his own bar and just chilling, as if he's all partied out from all that chaos and destruction. So what gives? Do you think these guys are the same incarnations of the characters in past games and are trying something new with how they approach their lives? And if that's the case, do you believe the demons, at least the semi important like these 2 besides grunts retain the memories of past games?
They could very well be different incarnations. Most of the demons regardless of the game don't usually keep the same personality.
Nyth Grandbeard A perfect example of this is in Apcolipce Odin brings up at one point he and Dagda were the same god but they've been split by humans different interpretations of the entity they were
Ehhhhh... Hikawa was a Gaean and Nihilo is essentially just forbidden Gaean teachings. Mantra and Nihilo aren't law and chaos, they're just two bad forces.
Since most of the fiends/ demons have their entire personalities/ characters determined by the perceptions of humanity, it's extremely likely that characters won't be consistent after all of the reality re-writing that takes place in this series anyways. While I do find some of the differences in characters between direct sequels a little strange, it's really not all that weird when you take into account how often all the different factions are shifting in attempts for power, if not the entire situations they are present in.
I would of enjoyed to see your theory on the last Bible series. But oh well.
can it be possible that persona 5 takes place in 2020? the date does says 20XX which in roman numerals XX means 20 and atlus does use roman numerals alot on those tarot cards what do you think nxth
victor walters sorry for the late response, but no. The use of X instead of numbers for years was already present in games in the 90's, if not before, and it just allows the player the ability to choose or deduce which year the game is taking place in. It's just like they didn't want to state the exact year, but it was a common trend specially in that decade. So it could be 2020, but it could also be 2099.
In canon it takes place five years after persona 4 because you can watch the tv at some point and a 20 year old Rise makes a cameo so it would take place in 2016. The calendar in the game also matches up to the 2016 calendar
Yet now there is evidence that Persona 5 can and could be tied to this theory as well.