As some of you may have noticed, I wrongfully cited "Helen Back Again" as the episode where we discover how Trina got in. The actual episode where we discover how Trina got in is appropriately titled "How Trina Got In". I'd also like to mention the fact that Ryder Daniels only appeared in the episode "Beggin' on Your Knees", NOT "Freak The Freak Out" I done goofed!!! Anyway, stay safe and please take care of yourselves!
This video was interesting. To the note as to “why Tori knew all the lyrics and choreography” when she filled in for Trina. In the first episode titled “Pilot” Trina interrupts Toris science project and tells Tori she has to help figure out Trinas routine. Afterward as they transition to the showcase Tori posts a status update that reads: “5 DAYS helping Trina and Andre rehearse. Trina’s driving me INSANE!” This is why she knew the routine perfectly.
ok but the one woman show (Chicago) was directed, written and played by herself and it succeed to entertain people. that's true talent. also it's easily one of the most memorable scenes from the entire show
Maybe she is a self aware character that realises people in the school are over the top and kinda cringe u cant lie. so maybe she tries to compensate to fit that lifestyle but her cringe is too over the top, and she cant stop that bc then her character wouldnt be real or important and life is imaginary and you are just an illusion.
To be honest I kind of feel bad for Andre because, He did write most of the songs and even " Make it shine" and he doesn't get as much credit as Tori does. For his songs. I think you should do a video about Andre
andre was the token black character. more talented than most of them, used by tori and not valued for creating and not just performing at a high level. there was an episode where tori makes him skip his 97 year old grandpas birthday to write her a song so she can get back at a boy... he hardly complained and it was never mentioned again. also never really getting a character arc or exposition that put him in an interesting relationship.
Don't forget that maybe if she's so materialistic it's because the pnly form of attention she ever got from her parents is expensive gifts and not hugs or sentimental things
I know they treat her like she's crazy but I kind of feel bad for her. Maybe she acts narcissistic to overcompensate which is really sad, not even her family supports her
I think that Trina is good a singing, like the ep where tori cannot find a ride? At the end, Trina sings really well. But sense her family favorites tori she gets no attention. So she pretends to be bad .
Nah I think its that people don't like her because she is bratty and vain and if she simpliy acted better and admitted that she wasn't talented then people would like her.
Her mom’s having an affair Her dad doesn’t like her Her sister doesn’t stand up for her She has no friends of her own And she still finds it in her to push and work hard Trina Vega is a motivational blessing and a sign of perseverance from above, she’s also really funny I love Trina Vega❤️
Trina just needs someone to be a genuine friend to her and for someone to give actual constructive criticism that might help her. Telling her she sucks at singing doesn't make her any better.
Trina isn’t willing to accept constructive criticism. Remember Robbie tried to review her play, and even when he tried to do it as nice as possible - she attacked him.
Honestly, if u watch "How Trina got in" again, Trina after Sikowitz compliments her seems kinda shy. The Trina we see throughout the series would've probably just acted as if it was obvious that her performance was great, but she doesn't. As a matter of a fact, she seems kinda taken-aback by it, n her response seems very humble. To me, this implies that her current attitude is (most likely) a product of her environment n the ridicule she receives from her peers, n not only that, but her initial shock at the compliment makes it seem like she never rlly received this praise from her family.
Also, remember the first episode where everyone has to do the Bird Scene, you know, the monologue who's entire point is to teach the students that they have to believe in their own acting? Now imagine the shy, timid, girl from "How Trina got in" having to do that scene. I could very easily be THE instigating event that causes the change in Trina's behaviour, either as lesson taken too far or as a validation of an unhealthy coping mechanism. Tbh, I would hope the young Trina would have been TOO shy and quiet to ask if the scene was okay, because the alternative feels very damaging to say the least.
Trina was the most upset and vocal at tori being imprisoned screaming “THATS MY SISTER” I made a twitter thread about how Trina is actually a really good big sister to Tori despite everything you didn’t to mention the time she drove hours to get grizzly glue off toris face, she offered and never complained, or the time she disguised herself as a celebrity to distract Ms.Lee from Jades play (toris idea) in the ep Ice cream for Kesha she gave tori 2 chances to back out of a promise Trina offers to give tori rides to school so tori doesn’t have to walk the long way and cheers for tori when she won a contest that Trina also tried winning I rewatched the show recently and Trina ended up being my favorite she consistently was good to tori even if she was weird I could go on btw but it’s long enough
Vanilla Bee don’t forget the whole busy daisy thing where Jade tried to trigger a severe allergic reaction from Tori and Trina (frantically) told her that they were busy daisies.
idk you tell me Loll. I would want to be friends with Jade, but you need to be VERY good friends with her. If you are not in that small range, she’ll treat you like garbage 😂
Imagine being the Older sibling who gets into a prestigious school, and then your younger sibling overtakes your performance and gets into that school automatically, becoming the most popular girl in the school while everyone else ignores you. I'd try to get attention too.
And your own sister whom you love and support while she has everything you ever wanted, Lets everyone be really mentally abusive towards you... Man I just wanna hug Trina
The play she wrote was also a musical. Which means that every song was written and composed by her. If her song "Chicago" was performed by Jade or Cat it would've been indistinguishable from broadway.
Agreed. Idk if it's a sign of the times or if it's because the majority of us rewatching and analyzing the show now were kids or teenagers when the show first aired, but there needed to be a better vetting process in the writing room. As the show got closer to the cancelation, the writing definitely changed for the worse and some of the plot points were just straight up disturbing at least in my opinion.
@@groveofpalmtrees I mean i think we're looking too much into it. it's just a Nickelodeon show. I would understand if it were aimed at teenagers, but it wasn't. I think it was perfect the way it was.
You're right! They glorified to bully other people in the show, like Sinjin or Robbie. What kind of message they want to sent to kids? Bullying is okay if people are acting weird? And even the parents of Tori and Trina are bullying their own daughter? Wtf Nickelodeon? (sorry for bad English)
It’s interesting in the way that you do not understand or pickup a lot of things as a kid and the characters that you hated as a kid, you either understand or completely empathize with as an adult. Really is a reflection on yourself growing up, even if it it is through a nick show.
I kind of find Tori to be really annoying. She is this "good" super talented girl who every body loves without her actually deserving it. I mean she kisses a taken guy out of revenge, when she isn't loved by others she acts like a child and she is generally mentally abusive towards her sister who supports her with her dream.
@@Venelyne_R Trina and Tori both had their share of mental abuse towards each other. I'm not sure why everyone acts like Tori was a bitch who hasn't done anything good for Trina. She literally saved her from being kicked out of school, performed for her birthday and more. Trina stole tori's cuddle me cathy doll and forced tori to make her the lead of the play to get it back. Also she manipulated Tori into being her servant for a month because of a list Tori wrote when she was 6. She even blew her nose into tori's underwear omg. Both of them had extremely annoying qualities about them but people only focus on Tori's.
I think Trina acts the way she does is because she wants someone to talk to, since no one likes her at home, and when she starts talking to someone, she has so much that she wants to say and ends up annoying them without realizing it. And even after she annoys them one day, she wants to try again at talking to them and it becomes a cycle where she becomes the person everyone wants to avoid.
i dont think trina gets the recognition she deserves. she practically raised both herself and tori while their parents were practically neglecting them
The parents didn't neglect them. They were just off screen. Dan Schnider likes to have the kids be self suhishent because its wish fufillment for the children.
Even as a kid I thought they were such bad parents. Like I would be pissed too if my parents would only focus on my sister and would literally bribe her to get me out of the house
@@icecreamhero2375 I just want to bring up the scene where their mom was sitting at the dining table, eating food in front of both Tori and Trina, and did not make food for them. They said that maybe they wanted some too and she said "OH WELL"
I forgot the episode name but it was when Tori made the main role of the play and jade was sabotaging her cuz she wanted that part. when jade sent Tori flowers she's allergic too Trina warns Tori that she allergic to them and it sounded so genuine like she actually cared idk I thought that was a cute moment
10:09 The impulsive/impatient argument is actually kind of invalid. In the episode, Tori says something along the lines of how Trina has been wanting the shoes since forever. When Trina comes home with the shoes, she mentions that she got them on sale. If Trina was impulsive, she would’ve gotten the shoes closer to when she first saw them instead of waiting until the shoes were at a lower price.
Trina was very pretty but she was gross, like the number of times she blew her green snot into a tissue & gave it to Tori 😂 And it stuck to the locker. 😭 Lmaoo I fucking loved Trina.
I’ve never thought about it. I was 10 when this show came out, ofc at the thought she was untalented, self-conceited, annoying, and shallow. But, as I got older (fairly recently when i started watching the show on Netflix), I was like man, I feel bad for Trina. She is pretty funny, very confident, and she’s actually pretty too. She could get better results within her life if she’d stick to martial arts and comedy, and I never realized how bad she is actually treated by her family. She is definitely the Meg of the show.
Name Name don’t get me wrong, there are moments where she is annoying, but I started thinking when he said does no one like her bc she is annoying, or is she annoying bc no one likes her. But you’re right. Now that I think of it, her character was ahead of its time.
Ngimingipi tori wasn’t even that bad people are just dramatic like when they ignore that jade literally bullied her on her first day but apparently tori was the one “treating” jade bad lol everyone on that show had some mess going on
mel Some were mentioned in the video, but Trina did drop everything to try to get the solvent to get the grizzly glue off of tori’s face. She does try to get tori out of prison. Yes sikowitz goes with her, but while they were escorted out, sikowitz says he wants a sandwich, and Trina is shocked that that is what he cares about and not tori. It’s a small thing but it shows she genuinely cares. And the talk she had with tori in Helen back again, it was very self centered and arrogant but here’s the thing: if you look past the arrogance, it’s actually really sweet what she’s saying. Yea she is a jerk sometimes but that’s a normal sibling thing. Tori is just a jerk to Trina.
The hate from trina's family is a strong point because parents should support kids not putting them down. One thing how could Trina be bad at singing if she sang PERFECTLY in the song shut up and dance. ( she is great at acting)
Melissa Anaya there is no hate for Trina in her family. The only “hate” we get is when she’s actually being annoying and a pest. Other than that, we see Tori go above and beyond for Trina.
@@theodoe946 and, trina was being annoying and a pest. Wasnt that the episode when trina hurt the fathers nose when they went mini golfing and trina didn't care?
So imagine you attend an amazing school where everyone constantly bullies you and reminds you that you are the least talented person there. You aspire to show them all during the Showcase. However, you get sick and can’t perform. Your little sister takes the spot, everyone loves her and she is automatically accepted into school. She is instantly more popular, yet you feel no spite or jealousy and support her and her group of friends. For your birthweek, the one week that’s all about you, your sister invites HER friends to watch HER sing a song someone else wrote to show of how much of a superior singer she is. You try to turn it into a business venture but when it backfires you come around and let your sister improve her career by taking the spotlight in the studio. And you’re called the worst character. Trina got Tori that career boost and is the only character that actually is ambitious and works hard. While the other characters are doing karaoke in sushi bars, Trina writes, acts and produces a musical BY HERSELF. She is the only character that’s kind to Sinjin (Tori, André and Beck find him weird, Jade bullies him and Cat golddigs him). When offered the role of assistant (2d place) in his show, does she scuff and say it’s beneath her? No! She makes the most of it and recognises that you need to start at the bottom of the industry, while aspiring to be on top. The same is true for that commercial in Mexico (with the cheese and the mice). It’s ridiculous but she does it anyway to be able to call herself a professional actress. She is also the only one who invests in headshots to get roles. Her hard work is in direct contrast to Tori, who after years in theater classes doesn’t even know what an understudy is. Trina does. She has been an understudy for Tori since birth. Trina is the best character.
if she is good at martial arts then she is good at her coordination and probably awesome at dancing, plus her acting isnt bad and even robbie found it amazingly realistic when she kissed him. she probably just wants to be good at things she isnt and hasnt been encouraged to focus on the stuff she is good at.
Jacquie M. I think she struggles with dancing because she was thrown into classes that were more advanced and nobody bothered to help her get better including the teachers.
iPink Sims yeah true also in shut up in dance Trina could sing amazingly but I understand that it was the actress that was a good singer, not Trina but she still dances amazingly and on key.
@@QuadElementalsOk, for your information, a LOT of people like Jade, but I don't like her very much as she does come off as very sadistic, aggressive, creepy, and overwhelmingly hard-hearted most of the time. I just said that because I saw how much a lot of people who love her and they consider to be their gay awakening or something. They even stated that she has a soft spot for best friend, Cat and her boyfriend, Beck, even though I doubt it since she obviously has plenty of issues with them, but with Cat is understandable because she's always a dumbass. Well, in season 3 and 4, that is. So don't start judging me for saying what had already crossed my mind despite that you don't know me. 😑🤷♀️
About the birthweek part: my theory is that Tori wanted an object as a gift so she'd be able to show it off and say "look, my sister got this for me. She loves me and cares about me" while you can't really show off a song? The song itself doesn't say Trina's name anywhere to make it personal so it could just be a song about whatever you know?
I feel like Trina just acts the way she’s acts because of her parents they were very neglected full to Trina and tori and at school she didn’t really have a lot of friends and was always stereotyped as the weird one or the awakward one alongside Robbie people really underestimated Trina a lot so to make her self esteem better to give her confidence she just takes the criticism so no she’s not terrible
Ashley PINKNEY their parents are the type of people that either thought that having a baby would be fun and cool or both of the girls were accidents. They both show no sign of having a problem with leaving their kids alone for a week and dumping all of the responsibilities on them as well. Especially when it comes to having to take care of Trina Tori is expected to make sure that she is doing well. It’s really sad but it makes sense that the girls are the way that they are.
@@user-gd7wr4cx4l So she's supposed to be a freak like Jade? An airhead like Cat? Or a misunderstood nerd like Robbie? Actually her character development is not in her quirks or personality traits, but in how she treats her friends. She went from kissing Beck to piss Jade off to actually care about her over the series. But yall are just too biased ig
about the spoons on the locker - they all look like theyre placed facing out, and when you look at the inside bit of a spoon, your reflection is upside down. maybe its her subtle attempt of showing everyone how she feels, how she knows that her reflection isnt like everyone elses, no matter what spoon she looks into, and how if other people were to look at the spoons the same way she did, theyd be upside down too.
I wouldn’t want my sister to perform me a song for my bday lol tori took every chance she could get to perform it could of been Trina wedding and tori would be like my present to you is this performance and end up making the wedding all about her
Me neither :D When I would have a sister But her comment on ''didn'T you get me something you payed for'' was logical. I mean .... Yeah, many times birthday presents aren't really needed or so, but as a teenager and young adult you're old enough to ask for wishes .... (Also .... did no one there read books? Literally no one ? As artists and theater kids???) A song is just .... played this one time with a show and than ... you forget it. Even with it on an USB than it is just another representation how Tori is ''Better'' at singing, than Trina.
Yall are so stuck up, I'd hate to have siblings like yourselves lmao. It's not even really established that you NEED to give your siblings a present on their birthdays
Ngimingipi if you have Trina as a sister I think it would be an unspoken rule that you have to get her a present and her being so materialistic a good sister would of gotten her a handbag or something
Ngimingipi Just showing that you love and care for your sibling on their birthday is important, whether it’s in the form of a present or not. Everyone knows Trina is materialistic and her sister should know that. That kind of present doesn’t fit some people’s taste (like Trina’s) so I wouldn’t call them stuck up, I’d just say they have a preference. That’s just my opinion though.
@@diamondlife5110 But still, calling that song worthless and useless is just wrong, is it not? It's acceptable to say that it is if it's a cover but bruh this is a new song that took time and effort to make. Even though it's not the best present it's unfair for yall to undermine Tori's attempt to make Trina's birthday feel special. People keep saying thay Trina acts the way she does because she's spoiled due to all the materialistic things she has gotten, now that Tori is actually giving something that's not merely an item, Tori is still at fault somehow?
I remember a *LONG* time ago that I read fanfiction and it was about how she attempted suicide because nobody liked or cared for her and it was sad. I feel bad for her character. She's probably just narcissistic and selfish because she just wants to seem cool and wants to be loved. She is most likely an attention hog because fame usually = attention and fans.
I think she’s trying to call for help, she wants to be the center of attention so ppl will finally pay attention to her and finally realize she’s not okay, and she’s just pretending her mental health is 👌. I did that for so long, but instead of trying to be the center of attention,I just hid.
Tbh though I feel like a lot of how Trina was writing was bad writing anyway. She's written to be unlikable by both the other characters and the audience. The scene you show where Tori is considering and acting Upon drowning Trina in the bathtub is meant to be comical when it really isn't. But tbh I've always been kinda iffy with Dans writing in all of his shows and what he protrays as comical.
@Truth-Rationale Scientist Oh please, Jade is implied to have attempted to kill Tori but no one mentions that? Oh that's right, it's because people hate Tori
@@ipiinsih3655 cause that's apart of her character? from the start Jade is meant to be the sadistic rival to Tori. not justifying what she says or does to Tori, but even from the first episode it's clear that jade hates Tori so it makes sense. that's how her character is. also there are people who don't like the way Jade treats Tori so i wouldn't just assume "no one brings that up because it's Tori, there are a lot of fans who defend Tori because of the treatment she receives from jade.
trina is one of the best ppl in the series and im not gonna lie ive always been the same way as her which made me like her way more. i mean in the april fools ep she sang so good! i always felt bad for her since she was treated so bad! if i was one of the main characters i would totally be her friend. and the sad thing is that her parents dont like her. and even though trina treats tori bad somedays you can tell she lowkey is amazing! and she has a reason to act the way she is! shes amazing to me!
Trina’s one woman show was actually very very successful ok?. She is nice, the ones who are nasty are Tori and her friends who bully her because Tori is the mean girl who let them and encourage them to do it. Even her own parents bully her... poor Trina, why is everyone so horrible to her?
@@wefoundwonderland.13 Yeah,but she either doesn't realize or doesn't care just *how much annoying* she is. People keep telling her:"NO ONE LIKES YOU!"in a super-honest way and she does *nothing* to change that even just a little bit.She just keeps doing the same things over and over again. At that point if you don't have any friends,my lady,it's your own fault.ù__u
I used to hate Trina when I was little. But, when you really and truly look at it, she might act like this because, her parents don’t pay attention to her, her sister makes fun of her along with her sister’s friends/everyone else at school (even the people that she considers friends.,) and as she was reading that letter from that guy. Also whenever she’s around, Jade openly always tells her “No one likes you!” to let her and make sure that she knows. Also, in the episode where Tori and her friends are going to Yerba, Trina and Tori’s parents force tori to take Trina with Tori and her friends. They don’t even want Trina to come back. So, maybe Trina acts like this to cope with all of the bullying and bull crap that people put her through. But, that’s just my opinion.
@@ipiinsih3655 why are you in every single reply defending Tori. No one hates Tori (no one should) it's just that she is the most boring character. It isn't hate, it's criticism
@@user-gd7wr4cx4l "No one hates Tori" pfft if no one hated Tori , those tori hate videos with thousands of views wouldn't exist. You people are so weird. When Tori is the main character: Fuck she's soo boring nothing special about her, the others would make better MCs. When Tori is the main character and does something controversial: OMG SHE DID THAT WHY IS THE MAIN CHARACTER ACTING LIKE THAT When literally every other character does something controversial: yes go queen i stan you should be the main character.
Homez18 people don’t hate her because she’s the main character or because theres no reason. They don’t like that other characters had more interesting storylines and personalities. Tori was a clean cut person who was good at everything and didn’t have a personal character arc or need to improve while everyone else did have ways to improve. They didn’t always end up improving but they had the potential to. Tori wasn’t a bad character she just wasn’t as complex as the others.
Trina’s a great sister ~ drove hours to get stuff for grizzly glue ~ risked getting in trouble to get tori food ~ warned Tori before she got the chance to get seriously ill
And • Gets Concerned about her when Tori got in Prison •She's the reason why Tori even got in Hollywood Arts There's probably other things but I can't remember
I just thought about the food thing. It just shows how manipulative Tori and her friends are to Trina also. Risking her record for them but treat her like shit later.
I feel like Trina was the most relatable character in Victorious. Like I really relate to her as a person, she seems to just be misunderstood. Tori came to HW, like u said, a lot better than than Trina singing, dancing AND acting. Tori was ACCEPTED into HW due to Trina’s tongue issue. Trina just wants to be understood and be what her sister is. All the bullying from Tori’s friends don’t help and causes her to be thirstier for attention. Notice how she jumps into their plans even though she wasn’t invited. When she complains about attending, everyone reminds her how she isn’t wanted. She wants what Tori has, friends,popularity love from her parents
Tori was too Mary-Sue ish and had no development. Not to mention when Trina was actually a good sister and tried to comfort/look out for Tori, she just brushed her off
I always loved Trina. She was the underdog of the series and I thought she would have made a more interesting protagonist than Tori. I used to write a lot of fanfiction about Trina, trying to give her a better story. I felt bad that her parents didn’t seem to like her, and she didn’t have any friends. I thought that she and Cat were kind of friends and she had that weird thing going on with Sinjin. I thought she’d find her calling as a comedian because of her one-woman show, but that’s not the direction her story went.
What I don't like about the show is that they don't give Trina points for creativity and hard work. One woman show where she acts and sings? That takes hard work
She most definitely would have made a more interesting protagonist. A show about a girl bad at singing and dancing slowly getting better by each episode sound more interesting than a show about a girl doing random things with her friends
ive always felt bad for trina because shes done so much for other people and in return she gets "NOBODY LIKES YOU" maybe trina invited herself to the beach with everyone else because maybe she thought it would be a good time to bond with her sister since tori was the only person who was okay with her
In the episode where they have a "Sally" musical thing, and Tori got her blood taken out a bunch, Trina stopped Tori from smelling flowers that she was deadly allergic to.
The main cast's lockers. Tori: Make it shine Andre: a piano Jade: scissors Cat: a pink, ladybug-catching plant Robbie: nickel back buttons Beck: transparent Trina: full of spoons
CHICAGOOOOOOOO CHI CA GO ITS A CITY THATS EXCITING IT’S A CITY THAT’S INVITING IT’S A CITY FOR A WOMAN JUST LIKE MEEEE it would be so much fun to sing it tho omggg
Thank you for noting that Trina's Gi in "Helen Back Again" and the fact while the show labels it as Karate, she's actually in uniform designated for Vovinam. Adding to that, in "Andre's Horrible Girl", she stealthily takes out a waitress from behind to don her uniform and get close to a music producer. The show clearly demonstrated that the students practice stunts and fight scenes (eg: Jade and Tori), Trina's character could've had a better path and overall development. Instead, they just dropped it after that episode and never brought it up again (until "How Trina Got In" which was a what-if scenario). Combining that with her dance skills (depending on the episode), it's clear she has coordination, some agility, and combat expertise. Compared to the other characters, Trina is the most physically talented. I will say after I'm sad after watching her Slap videos for the first time - there's no laugh track to minimize the potent silence as she reads the negative comments she gets on social media, or her detailing the story of getting ditched on a date.
The fact that Trina was able to easily take down that waitress without making any noise makes me think that Trina would make a great marine or army ranger.
i’ve actually always felt bad for trina. even when i was younger. i read some of these comments and she could’ve been at her lowest point. like, tbh it *seems* like her parents favorite tori. i’m not even gonna lie. that episode when they had to re-audition and their mother got a call and tori right away assumed trina got cut. (even when it was a mistake). and with her birthweek (agreeing with comments) she probably doesn’t feel that much loved. and remember on the last episode of victorious when sinjin was like “you guys *always* get the leads in plays..” WHICH IS TRUE! tori is always the lead, she always gets an opportunity to make a play, honestly is so annoying. like the bullying part, tori just sits there acting like she a bad bitch but really, trina *is the reason tori got into hollywood arts.*
Andre is the reason Tori got into Hollywood Arts because Trina didn't do that to her tongue on purpose. But when it happened Andre's the one who convinced Tori to take her place.
Her mom didn't even give a shit about the TWO OF THEM in Driving Tori Crazy. And mind you, Tori was the reason Trina gets to keep going in HA after the re-audtions. I wonder why yall purposely cut out the important parts to make Tori seem sooo bad. And your sinjin argument is so taken out of context, he was saying it to EVERYONE who was fighting over followers
1 1 1 . How does Trinas parents favor Tori? Where does this come from? You do know why Tori thought Trina didn’t get in right! Because Trina has no talent in canon and there wasn’t a drugged out teacher to accidentally approve her. Trina isn’t the reason Tori got into Hollywood arts, that was Andre. And Tori is the reason Trina got to stay in Hollywood arts, because it if wasn’t for Tori, Trina would have been kicked out because Trina has no talent and Helen could see it
@@BabyGirlTiny they didn’t help Trina find her talent they put her down don’t bash her at least Trina tried putting on show she didn’t care what people thought about her
Her sister let other people bully her and she would even do that, to not bring Trina back from Yerba. In Trina´s case I would never stand up for Tori again and hate her back.
I really like Trina as character, but not so much as a person. I also don’t think her relationship with Tori is bad tbh To me it seems to be a very realistic portray of what growing up with siblings is like: sometimes they’re helping each other and sometimes they’re killing each other.
What has Tori done for Trina beyond birthweek song and what she had to because of an agreement. I can tell you what Trina's done for Tori that sje didn't have to
Here are my thoughts: As an older sibling myself, I sometimes feel jealous of my younger sister. She always had an easier time making friends then me, and even though I'm not as crazy as Trina, I do get why she always feels like she needs to be better then Tori. Also, siblings, especially two girls close in age, fight all the time about stupid things. The whole video about being off pitch and filming it is a very relatable argument. You can be having a normal conversation then start fighting. Great video and analysis, these are just some things I wanted to add
Same! Me and my only sister are two years apart and we can literally go from shouting at each other to laughing multiple times in the same conversation - it’s actually so weird now I think about it 😂
Me and my older sister argue a lot and my parents acted like there was something wrong with us, so I'm glad to hear we were normal. We are two years apart btw
Same! I'm the older sister and as the older one people already expect more from you, and then I'm being pitted against my younger sister whom everyone finds more attractive in every way even though I think we're both pretty in our own ways and it just sucks. Literally any point people can make they'll say like she's taller than you she has better hair better complexion it just goes on and I totally can relate to Trina and why she behaves the way she does
I’m the fourth out of five children(two older boys, one older sister, and one younger sister). My older sister and I have a 13 year age gap and she reluctantly took care of me when my grandmother had to be paid to do so during the day. We aren’t even full blood. She used to call me a beat too, but I knew she loved me, but showed it in a different way. As an older sibling, my sister has ADHD, and so I have to suck it up when I am neglected. I strived for perfection so my mom would notice and praise me. However, when I would break the ice for her, she would excel in my activities. She would beat me in talent for karate, singing, making friends, beauty, etc. sorry for writing a paragraph😅
Yep because writing, composing and choreographing an entire song and performance as a gift for your sister and being the only one willing to help her stay in Hollywood Arts in Helen back again is being a "mean sister" 💀💀💀
@@tearindrop673 YES it is! Nobody wants a song for their birthday! Why would I want my sister to make my birthday about her by inviting all her friends (who bully me constantly) to watch her put on a performance on MY birthday like df Tori was either so self centered she couldn’t see that was a bad gift or she just didn’t care she should’ve taken her out to have fun or something instead
Literally everyone except Victoria carried the show and its not like Victoria Justice (my wife) is a bad actress its just she got a shit script where she has to portray a Mary Sue and did the best
As a younger girl when I was depressed, I remember I covered it up with what Trina acts like. Ex: If my cousin opened the camera app on her phone I'd put my chin on her shoulder and wink at myself and say "Beauty." I was ashamed of how sad I was so I'd feel the need to make people think I'm confident every second of the day. (I'm no longer depressed.)
@@kawaiirat2787 Arrogant and annoying people irritate people, it is one thing to recognize that you are good and another is to inflate your ego based on belittling others
they were all so mean to her. Imagine having your little sisters friends repeatedly tell you “no one likes you” and have your parents repeatedly say stuff like “you don’t have to bring her back”
That's an excellent point about the birthweek song. I think it's quite likely that Trina feels lasting resentment over the gift, which would have been exacerbated by her failure to perform the song for the music exec, and being forced to call Tori in to perform it instead. I hope some fan-fiction authors see this video and incorporate this into their work.
Not to mention, the entire song is kind of negging her. "You might be crazy but it's fine cause I love you" is not a compliment, you just called your sister crazy. Furthermore, it's also largely about Tori herself, rather than about Trina. I can totally understand her not seeing the song as a gift.
@@marijeflash Ah yes, playfully teasing your sister is SO BAD WOW INHUMANE EVIL. The song was not about Tori insulting Trina in a "good" way, but it's how even though other people may see Trina as annoying or irritating, Tori loves her because she's her sister. There's even the lyrics "I don't even care when they say you're a little bit off, look me in the eye I say, I could never get enough"
About Trina’s birthday: toris present was sweet but didn’t align with Trina’s love language basically. Like, yes it was great but she didn’t show Trina love the way she receives/understands it. Yes you should defend her.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah, but from Trina's point of view it was probably Tori just showing off and/or one uping her and making Trina feel incompetent. I mean she's clearly wanted to be a singer for a while, but isn't as good at it as Tori is.
When you think about it. Trina has a really sad life. Her parents don't care about her, she has no friends, she only got into Hollywood Arts is because a teacher got high on coconut juice. It's truly sad.
I feel like I’d be Jade except ugly the only reason I’m not like her rn is cuz I’m genuinely scared my parents will disown me they’re Asian and I feel like whatever I do is wrong
Gay Peanut lmaoo same but I truly don’t know who I am I was literally pretending to be somebody for like over half a year but the think I do know is that I think in a rather dark way and I’m dirty minded and ppl call me sassy so
I always loved Trina 😭😭😭 I've noticed these behaviors among the people nobody liked in my classes (high school + college). Sometimes they were jerks, but it was clearly due to how cruelly everyone else treated them. Being kind to everyone will honestly give you some of the closest friends you will ever make. It's amazing how grateful some people for receiving basic human decency.
trinas parents also didnt give her enough love. so trinas definition of a gift is probably because her parents just throw money at her. thats how she got attention and love from her parents so to her, the more money equals more love.
I feel like Trina is a pretty chill person to hang out with, when she's not bragging about her being the best I think that the rest of Tori's friends woud have noticed that if they weren't so focussed in telling Trina how bad she is and Trina not so focussed on defending herself And I thought Trina actually had a friend, in the first episode a girl comes to her telling her something like "This person has their hair like this" (I don't know it's been years since I watched the episode in Spanish) and the run off leaving Tori alone, but after that only scene I never saw anyone coming up to her as her friend
I used to hate her but recently I just noticed that she was probably neglected by parents that didn’t want kids and then everyone always loved her sister and hated her. I still don’t like her, but I can’t hate her after noticing these things.
Despite everything, Trina is a young girl. Having practically no friends, no social life, getting no attention from parents, and being constantly told you're bad at what you love or that no one likes you will have at least long-lasting damage to your mental health. I never thought about it that way until I came across this video, but now I feel really bad for Trina.
The only time I didn't like her was when her wisdom teeth got taken out. It made no sense to me why should didn't want antibiotics, salt water or anything to numb the pain. Tbh I think people should have just let her catch an infection though
I think trina was seriously misunderstood, if you think back to the re-auditions...in the sicoitz flashback trina is perfect bullying material. Shes geeky and obviously a little introverted and extremely nervous. Sicoitz tells her she was amazing and she latched on to it, she held on to that belief despite everything and smilled her way through so much negative criticism....girls got some serious self assurance and ridiculously strong will
Something I kept noticing is how she is *always* cheering Tori on, even in the Birthweek bit she's grinning and cheering because she enjoys her sister's performances
I've always found Trina and Tori's relationship interesting. I feel like, because Tori wants to "fit in" and because Trina doesn't (and supposedly never has) Tori felt the need to distance herself from her as to not suffer the same fate. Although the show is in no way perfect, it shows a pretty realistic sibling relationship where deep down you care about and would do anything for each other but in the day to day you poke fun and fight because you know as your family they'll (most likely) never stray. I would also like to add that because they have distant/neglectful parents and what seems to be barely any other family, Tori might also think it's better to group with others (her friends at Hollywood Arts) than just Trina because then even if one of the group distances themselves or leaves she won't be all alone but in doing this she is causing her sister immense pain. All in all, Trina deserves better.
I think Trina acts like this because her sister just gets to walk in and have so much talent while she sits there practicing trying to make her voice better when none of it’s working
Outcast POV thank you!! Even when I was 11 & 22 now rewatching the series. I still like Tori yes she has done a few bad things but she’s a teenager & it was the writers fault for making bad choices. I still find Tori cute & dorky but she isn’t too crazy like everyone around her
"Why and how Tori already knew all of Trina's choreography and the song lyrics is anyone's guess" It's literally explained in the first episode. Trina made Tori rehearse with her and André for like a week. It's literally how her and André became friends.
As some of you may have noticed, I wrongfully cited "Helen Back Again" as the episode where we discover how Trina got in. The actual episode where we discover how Trina got in is appropriately titled "How Trina Got In". I'd also like to mention the fact that Ryder Daniels only appeared in the episode "Beggin' on Your Knees", NOT "Freak The Freak Out" I done goofed!!! Anyway, stay safe and please take care of yourselves!
Done goofed 🤣😂🤣🤣😂
Show this to all the characters
Silly sausage
This video was interesting. To the note as to “why Tori knew all the lyrics and choreography” when she filled in for Trina. In the first episode titled “Pilot” Trina interrupts Toris science project and tells Tori she has to help figure out Trinas routine. Afterward as they transition to the showcase Tori posts a status update that reads: “5 DAYS helping Trina and Andre rehearse. Trina’s driving me INSANE!” This is why she knew the routine perfectly.
ok but the one woman show (Chicago) was directed, written and played by herself and it succeed to entertain people. that's true talent.
also it's easily one of the most memorable scenes from the entire show
I think she acts bratty as a self defense mechanism to deal with everyone.
I think it could also be the only way she feels she gets any kind of attention, even from her own family.
I think it’s to get attention because she lacks it from her own family.
Yeah, attention too.
Maybe she is a self aware character that realises people in the school are over the top and kinda cringe u cant lie. so maybe she tries to compensate to fit that lifestyle but her cringe is too over the top, and she cant stop that bc then her character wouldnt be real or important and life is imaginary and you are just an illusion.
I do that
To be honest I kind of feel bad for Andre because, He did write most of the songs and even " Make it shine" and he doesn't get as much credit as Tori does. For his songs. I think you should do a video about Andre
I’ve always liked his character more than the others
But he does get his credit.
andre was the token black character. more talented than most of them, used by tori and not valued for creating and not just performing at a high level. there was an episode where tori makes him skip his 97 year old grandpas birthday to write her a song so she can get back at a boy... he hardly complained and it was never mentioned again. also never really getting a character arc or exposition that put him in an interesting relationship.
Andre was always my favorite character in the show. I'm actually surprised his actor never broke out as a solo star.
@@BabyGirlTiny he does but not as much a Tori
I always found it crazy that everyone (in the show) acted like she was super ugly when she’s literally gorgeous
Right me and my sister both agreed that Trina looks ten times better than Tori
@@PaperBanjo64 yes
Agree with you
@@anettedeyta2747 I always thought trina was better looking than tori
@@gamemodeon4170 they boyh look good
Don't forget that maybe if she's so materialistic it's because the pnly form of attention she ever got from her parents is expensive gifts and not hugs or sentimental things
That's very possible, but we never really see her parents spoiling her with gifts.
And maybe she shops to fill her emotional void. That’s retail therapy, it’s when she shops because she’s sad and shops to make her feel better
Everyone can see that they love Tori more
But they did give Trina a whole birthday week
@@asheaneregraham1334 That is very true
I know they treat her like she's crazy but I kind of feel bad for her. Maybe she acts narcissistic to overcompensate which is really sad, not even her family supports her
I think that Trina is good a singing, like the ep where tori cannot find a ride? At the end, Trina sings really well. But sense her family favorites tori she gets no attention. So she pretends to be bad .
Josie Sarah also the April fools day episode when their neighbor idk his name and they sing him a song both Robby and Trina sing very well
@@hallo2972 Robbie's never portrayed as being bad at singing, he's just portrayed as having a unique style.
Tori is kind to her and helps her a lot, but her parents are awful
Nah I think its that people don't like her because she is bratty and vain and if she simpliy acted better and admitted that she wasn't talented then people would like her.
Her mom’s having an affair
Her dad doesn’t like her
Her sister doesn’t stand up for her
She has no friends of her own
And she still finds it in her to push and work hard
Trina Vega is a motivational blessing and a sign of perseverance from above, she’s also really funny
I love Trina Vega❤️
Except trina also takes advantage of tori.
Tori hangs out with people who are rude to her sister regardless of how my sister treats me, I would never be friends with anyone who is rude to her
@@axngel2703 then you probably have some deep seated issues.
@@fightingmedialounge519 tori deserves it... she legit tried to drown Trina in the bath
@unknown I wasn’t trying to offend anyone........ :( I was just saying. I deleted my comment😞
Trina just needs someone to be a genuine friend to her and for someone to give actual constructive criticism that might help her. Telling her she sucks at singing doesn't make her any better.
Trina isn’t willing to accept constructive criticism. Remember Robbie tried to review her play, and even when he tried to do it as nice as possible - she attacked him.
naomi obi That’s because she’s never had anyone criticise her work properly. It probably took her off guard
naomi obi because Robbie and his entire friend group make fun of her, she was probably thinking he’d do it again.
but she can sing and dance irl so it doesnt matter
roomijsjeee but we’re not talking about her irl, were talking about the character she plays.
Honestly, if u watch "How Trina got in" again, Trina after Sikowitz compliments her seems kinda shy. The Trina we see throughout the series would've probably just acted as if it was obvious that her performance was great, but she doesn't. As a matter of a fact, she seems kinda taken-aback by it, n her response seems very humble. To me, this implies that her current attitude is (most likely) a product of her environment n the ridicule she receives from her peers, n not only that, but her initial shock at the compliment makes it seem like she never rlly received this praise from her family.
perfect analysis
melinda barton i like the way you think
Very well said!
Also, remember the first episode where everyone has to do the Bird Scene, you know, the monologue who's entire point is to teach the students that they have to believe in their own acting? Now imagine the shy, timid, girl from "How Trina got in" having to do that scene. I could very easily be THE instigating event that causes the change in Trina's behaviour, either as lesson taken too far or as a validation of an unhealthy coping mechanism. Tbh, I would hope the young Trina would have been TOO shy and quiet to ask if the scene was okay, because the alternative feels very damaging to say the least.
trina you are cool i am sorry
Trina was the most upset and vocal at tori being imprisoned screaming “THATS MY SISTER” I made a twitter thread about how Trina is actually a really good big sister to Tori despite everything you didn’t to mention the time she drove hours to get grizzly glue off toris face, she offered and never complained, or the time she disguised herself as a celebrity to distract Ms.Lee from Jades play (toris idea) in the ep Ice cream for Kesha she gave tori 2 chances to back out of a promise Trina offers to give tori rides to school so tori doesn’t have to walk the long way and cheers for tori when she won a contest that Trina also tried winning I rewatched the show recently and Trina ended up being my favorite she consistently was good to tori even if she was weird I could go on btw but it’s long enough
Vanilla Bee don’t forget the whole busy daisy thing where Jade tried to trigger a severe allergic reaction from Tori and Trina (frantically) told her that they were busy daisies.
Vanilla Bee Link to the thread?
can we have the link
Link?
We want the link so hard, where are you????
I hated Trina when I was younger but now I would be friends with her.
same
Me too.
Same but more with Jade
idk you tell me
Loll. I would want to be friends with Jade, but you need to be VERY good friends with her. If you are not in that small range, she’ll treat you like garbage 😂
@@idkutellme-rp9qe Why would you even want to be friends with a psychotic girl who treats everyone like shit
Imagine being the Older sibling who gets into a prestigious school, and then your younger sibling overtakes your performance and gets into that school automatically, becoming the most popular girl in the school while everyone else ignores you. I'd try to get attention too.
yeah, same
honestly, i feel bad for her
And your sisters friends bully you, and your parents do nothing but throw money at you hoping you would just take it
And your own sister whom you love and support while she has everything you ever wanted, Lets everyone be really mentally abusive towards you... Man I just wanna hug Trina
As a kid I could relate to my younger sibling getting all the luck so I never hated her. I found her funny
Especially when two other girls deserve the attention and popularity more than tori *cough* Jade *cough* Cat *Cough*
*So we’re all going to ignore that ppl think she’s “untalented” when she wrote an entire play BY HERSELF. Isn’t that hella impressive?*
*IKR-*
U think that I can't do the black trick well HERE *SO HAH*
Not hating
The play she wrote was also a musical. Which means that every song was written and composed by her. If her song "Chicago" was performed by Jade or Cat it would've been indistinguishable from broadway.
@Sabhyata Singh CHICAGOOOOOO CHICAGOOOOOOOO
My goal in life is to have Trina’s confidence and Andre’s talent.
That right there is a deadly combination!
It’s not really confidence though :( more like arrogance
So... to be Jade? 😂
Please Help I don’t wanna be narcissistic, just have better self esteem than I do now😂😂.
I believe in you!! YOU BELIEVE IN YOU!!!
This show would’ve been so much better if they didn’t treat the characters’ problems and personalities as jokes
Agreed 100%
Ikr, it seems that only sone problems, specially tories are cared about, no one gives a shit about trina or even for example robbie or sinjin
Agreed. Idk if it's a sign of the times or if it's because the majority of us rewatching and analyzing the show now were kids or teenagers when the show first aired, but there needed to be a better vetting process in the writing room. As the show got closer to the cancelation, the writing definitely changed for the worse and some of the plot points were just straight up disturbing at least in my opinion.
@@groveofpalmtrees I mean i think we're looking too much into it. it's just a Nickelodeon show. I would understand if it were aimed at teenagers, but it wasn't. I think it was perfect the way it was.
You're right! They glorified to bully other people in the show, like Sinjin or Robbie. What kind of message they want to sent to kids? Bullying is okay if people are acting weird? And even the parents of Tori and Trina are bullying their own daughter? Wtf Nickelodeon? (sorry for bad English)
Trina’s “Chicago” one woman show was the best performance in “Victorious”
Gisselle watching the parts of her show felt like watching a Starkid production and I love it.
i wanted to see the whole show!
Totally the most memorable
No it wasn’t
Masterpiece it should win an Oscar.
Like her or not... her hair is *amazing*
Edit: thanks for the heart jayniac
Ikr i rlly like her hair lol
It’s mostly extensions
darkwolf2066 who cares as long as it looks good?
Tarou Chan I’m just saying it’s not her hair it’s not that serious
darkwolf2066 it’s not extensions it’s you look close at her part it’s a half wig
I love how everyone is trying to analyze a 10-year-old Nickelodeon sitcom.
It's fun. 🙂
It’s interesting in the way that you do not understand or pickup a lot of things as a kid and the characters that you hated as a kid, you either understand or completely empathize with as an adult. Really is a reflection on yourself growing up, even if it it is through a nick show.
Its very popular
It reaches a fresh audience day after day.
The character not the show it self
Don't forget in "Tori Gets Stuck" when Jade tries to sabotage Tori by giving her flowers Tori's allergic to Trina yells "TORI THOSE ARE BUSY DASIES!"
Natalie trina,yes. Tori... meh
I kind of find Tori to be really annoying. She is this "good" super talented girl who every body loves without her actually deserving it. I mean she kisses a taken guy out of revenge, when she isn't loved by others she acts like a child and she is generally mentally abusive towards her sister who supports her with her dream.
@@Venelyne_R Trina and Tori both had their share of mental abuse towards each other. I'm not sure why everyone acts like Tori was a bitch who hasn't done anything good for Trina. She literally saved her from being kicked out of school, performed for her birthday and more. Trina stole tori's cuddle me cathy doll and forced tori to make her the lead of the play to get it back. Also she manipulated Tori into being her servant for a month because of a list Tori wrote when she was 6. She even blew her nose into tori's underwear omg. Both of them had extremely annoying qualities about them but people only focus on Tori's.
@@meh.3035 Maybe because Trina's character was meant to be bad, but Tori is supposed to be the good girl, yet she isn't.
@pxndacakes thank you, took the words right out of my mouth😊👏👏👏
I think Trina acts the way she does is because she wants someone to talk to, since no one likes her at home, and when she starts talking to someone, she has so much that she wants to say and ends up annoying them without realizing it. And even after she annoys them one day, she wants to try again at talking to them and it becomes a cycle where she becomes the person everyone wants to avoid.
i wanna cry now
This made me sad
too real man 😥 and relatable dang
Next time, @ me when you talk about me behind my back.
My life.
Seeing that last clip where Tori told her she was off key and got really worried and self conscious hurt my heart
Same :(
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fr toris a bitch
@@ve.625 like everyone on that show
@@ve.625 honestly everyone hates her but how about her PARENTS they made both of them like this
I wish they made an episode in which Trina broke down about how she really feels
That’s a kids show. Children do not want to see that. You want to see that cause you’re older now.
@@user-bd9sf9qz2i but children want to see bullying? Lol make it funny and the show can be mature and have a positive message
@@user-bd9sf9qz2i lmao jade had an episode dedicated to her about why shes a certain way 💀
@@user-bd9sf9qz2i you haven't seen avatar the last Airbender have you
@@user-bd9sf9qz2i and I would love to see that (I'm 12)
i dont think trina gets the recognition she deserves. she practically raised both herself and tori while their parents were practically neglecting them
The parents didn't neglect them. They were just off screen. Dan Schnider likes to have the kids be self suhishent because its wish fufillment for the children.
@@icecreamhero2375 But when they're actually there they were bad parents ....
Even as a kid I thought they were such bad parents. Like I would be pissed too if my parents would only focus on my sister and would literally bribe her to get me out of the house
@@Eve.003y me too!!
@@icecreamhero2375 I just want to bring up the scene where their mom was sitting at the dining table, eating food in front of both Tori and Trina, and did not make food for them. They said that maybe they wanted some too and she said "OH WELL"
I forgot the episode name but it was when Tori made the main role of the play and jade was sabotaging her cuz she wanted that part. when jade sent Tori flowers she's allergic too Trina warns Tori that she allergic to them and it sounded so genuine like she actually cared idk I thought that was a cute moment
Yup that's a good sister
Yeah, also remember when she drove an hour to get Grizzly Glue for Tori?
@@ice-giant brought tacos to tori and the others
tori gets stuck
10:09
The impulsive/impatient argument is actually kind of invalid. In the episode, Tori says something along the lines of how Trina has been wanting the shoes since forever. When Trina comes home with the shoes, she mentions that she got them on sale. If Trina was impulsive, she would’ve gotten the shoes closer to when she first saw them instead of waiting until the shoes were at a lower price.
Exactly
Never got why she was the "gross" character. She's easily one of the most attractive characters. Also she is always entertaining
it was her personality
She was selfish and even her parents knew it she had a birthday week
rotimi kayode who would agree with that birth week shit
Trina was very pretty but she was gross, like the number of times she blew her green snot into a tissue & gave it to Tori 😂 And it stuck to the locker. 😭 Lmaoo I fucking loved Trina.
Trina looked better than tori ngl
she seems so upset in her slap videos when she reads her hate comments and the story about the boy
Yeah
I’ve never thought about it. I was 10 when this show came out, ofc at the thought she was untalented, self-conceited, annoying, and shallow. But, as I got older (fairly recently when i started watching the show on Netflix), I was like man, I feel bad for Trina. She is pretty funny, very confident, and she’s actually pretty too. She could get better results within her life if she’d stick to martial arts and comedy, and I never realized how bad she is actually treated by her family. She is definitely the Meg of the show.
I wish she got better support in the show- not at the start but slowly and she then builds up as a much much more better person
Name Name don’t get me wrong, there are moments where she is annoying, but I started thinking when he said does no one like her bc she is annoying, or is she annoying bc no one likes her. But you’re right. Now that I think of it, her character was ahead of its time.
Who’s meg lol
@@12s0ph referring to a character in family guy
Norahcake 21 I highly suggest you look into it. Trina and meg are treated the exact same, lol.
trina was literally there for tori when she actually needed her , and yet tori just bullshits her
when was she there for her? most of the time she didn't care or made things about herself.
musty roach tori just sucks tbh
@@user-fv7om7qf4o "tori just sucks", but provides no reason as to why lmao
Ngimingipi tori wasn’t even that bad people are just dramatic like when they ignore that jade literally bullied her on her first day but apparently tori was the one “treating” jade bad lol everyone on that show had some mess going on
mel Some were mentioned in the video, but Trina did drop everything to try to get the solvent to get the grizzly glue off of tori’s face. She does try to get tori out of prison. Yes sikowitz goes with her, but while they were escorted out, sikowitz says he wants a sandwich, and Trina is shocked that that is what he cares about and not tori. It’s a small thing but it shows she genuinely cares. And the talk she had with tori in Helen back again, it was very self centered and arrogant but here’s the thing: if you look past the arrogance, it’s actually really sweet what she’s saying. Yea she is a jerk sometimes but that’s a normal sibling thing. Tori is just a jerk to Trina.
I think she is hilarious, the most iconic and remembered scene of the show is when she sings “Chicago”
She’s not a actor or singer, she’s a comedian...
Charlotte Traynor 👁👄👁
Charlotte Traynor you know what they meant, it’s not a college essay love 🤗❤️
@@MoonChaser. instead of an* "a" 😂😂
Charlotte Traynor shutup
But Trina is actually a good actor
The hate from trina's family is a strong point because parents should support kids not putting them down. One thing how could Trina be bad at singing if she sang PERFECTLY in the song shut up and dance. ( she is great at acting)
She sang good in that episode because it was supposed to be a joke, she's only good when it's April Fool's day
Melissa Anaya there is no hate for Trina in her family. The only “hate” we get is when she’s actually being annoying and a pest. Other than that, we see Tori go above and beyond for Trina.
@@BabyGirlTiny this
Homez18 Her parents begged tori to take Trina with her to Yerba and said that she could leave her there. No parent should say that.
@@theodoe946 and, trina was being annoying and a pest. Wasnt that the episode when trina hurt the fathers nose when they went mini golfing and trina didn't care?
So imagine you attend an amazing school where everyone constantly bullies you and reminds you that you are the least talented person there. You aspire to show them all during the Showcase. However, you get sick and can’t perform. Your little sister takes the spot, everyone loves her and she is automatically accepted into school. She is instantly more popular, yet you feel no spite or jealousy and support her and her group of friends. For your birthweek, the one week that’s all about you, your sister invites HER friends to watch HER sing a song someone else wrote to show of how much of a superior singer she is. You try to turn it into a business venture but when it backfires you come around and let your sister improve her career by taking the spotlight in the studio. And you’re called the worst character.
Trina got Tori that career boost and is the only character that actually is ambitious and works hard. While the other characters are doing karaoke in sushi bars, Trina writes, acts and produces a musical BY HERSELF. She is the only character that’s kind to Sinjin (Tori, André and Beck find him weird, Jade bullies him and Cat golddigs him). When offered the role of assistant (2d place) in his show, does she scuff and say it’s beneath her? No! She makes the most of it and recognises that you need to start at the bottom of the industry, while aspiring to be on top. The same is true for that commercial in Mexico (with the cheese and the mice). It’s ridiculous but she does it anyway to be able to call herself a professional actress. She is also the only one who invests in headshots to get roles.
Her hard work is in direct contrast to Tori, who after years in theater classes doesn’t even know what an understudy is. Trina does. She has been an understudy for Tori since birth.
Trina is the best character.
this comment is a better analysis than the actual video, you make a lot of great points!
@@potato7918 Thank you!
Yes
Wow,your comment is so beautiful 😍,that what happens when you look for the good in people you see a lot of them👏👏♥️
@@florencembah2626 Thank you so much!
if she is good at martial arts then she is good at her coordination and probably awesome at dancing, plus her acting isnt bad and even robbie found it amazingly realistic when she kissed him. she probably just wants to be good at things she isnt and hasnt been encouraged to focus on the stuff she is good at.
Jacquie M. I think she struggles with dancing because she was thrown into classes that were more advanced and nobody bothered to help her get better including the teachers.
Madeline Friberg But during the song “All I Want Is Everything”, she was shown to be an AMAZING dancer.
iPink Sims yeah true also in shut up in dance Trina could sing amazingly but I understand that it was the actress that was a good singer, not Trina but she still dances amazingly and on key.
she has a few talents:
driving without both feet
acting
singing (One word: CHIGACO)
dancing
rapping
karate
write plays
Dancing too
When did she write plays
And being funny and beautiful
@@magicslave3066 she wrote the chicago play herself. rewatch the episode if ur still confused
@@graceful1537 oh she wrote that play
Trina is like Squidward:
We don't like her as a child
But we understand her as an adult
Yeah
And Jade
@@ChelseatheCreativeFox-pc2xz no jades toxic and so are you for liking her
@@QuadElementalsOk, for your information, a LOT of people like Jade, but I don't like her very much as she does come off as very sadistic, aggressive, creepy, and overwhelmingly hard-hearted most of the time. I just said that because I saw how much a lot of people who love her and they consider to be their gay awakening or something. They even stated that she has a soft spot for best friend, Cat and her boyfriend, Beck, even though I doubt it since she obviously has plenty of issues with them, but with Cat is understandable because she's always a dumbass. Well, in season 3 and 4, that is. So don't start judging me for saying what had already crossed my mind despite that you don't know me. 😑🤷♀️
And both think they’re talented at something when they’re not
About the birthweek part: my theory is that Tori wanted an object as a gift so she'd be able to show it off and say "look, my sister got this for me. She loves me and cares about me" while you can't really show off a song? The song itself doesn't say Trina's name anywhere to make it personal so it could just be a song about whatever you know?
Wow I never thought about it like that
The dedication to hate Tori is just amazing. It's clearly for Trina since there's the lyrics "You might be crazy."
安呢 the song was specifically for Trina. That’s like saying lemonade isn’t about Jay-Z because Beyoncé doesn’t say his name throughout the entire album
@@BabyGirlTiny "say my name, say my name"
@Sofía Roura ah yes, playfully calling your sister crazy... such a terrible thing
Anyone who doesn’t think Chicago is a bop can leave. I love that song. Spontaneous singing of Chicago is always a good time.
Singers Eminem is afraid to diss:
Number 1: Trina Vega - CHICAGOOOOOOOOOOO CHICAGOOOOOOOOOOO
I sing it literally every time I hear the word Chicago. Lol.
when i was little and watching victorious that was one of my favorite songs.
I LOVE that song
Children: Icarly sequel
Adults: Drake & Josh reboot
Fangirls: Cat & Jade
Me, an intellectual: *iTrina*
There’s an iCarly reboot coming next year on Paramount+
SCJJLGXSDWGKDJK- LMAO
Me, who knows the scrapped endgame: Give me Jade&Andre
Wait what does this comment mean
You just predicted that icarly is getting a reboot. 😂
I feel like Trina just acts the way she’s acts because of her parents they were very neglected full to Trina and tori and at school she didn’t really have a lot of friends and was always stereotyped as the weird one or the awakward one alongside Robbie people really underestimated Trina a lot so to make her self esteem better to give her confidence she just takes the criticism so no she’s not terrible
Honestly, yes the parents were the worst. In the Driving Tori crazy episode the mom forgot to save breakfast for them!
Weirdofangirlofmanythings I mean they’re old enough to make themselves breakfast
Ashley PINKNEY their parents are the type of people that either thought that having a baby would be fun and cool or both of the girls were accidents. They both show no sign of having a problem with leaving their kids alone for a week and dumping all of the responsibilities on them as well. Especially when it comes to having to take care of Trina Tori is expected to make sure that she is doing well. It’s really sad but it makes sense that the girls are the way that they are.
Xe the mother ate last off eggs tomatoes and everything else in house food wise and didn't go get groceries.
Thats my life in a nutshell
Honestly, Trina brings out the WHOLE show. She’s way better then Tori. Not to mention that she’s hilarious?
Exactly. She's the character that isn't the main character but if she's not in the show then it could still go on but no one would like it as much.
Exactly. Tori is kinda boring
@@zipporah7588 Tori is boring because she IS supposed to be the straight man of the group. Sadly many ppl are too dumb to notice this
@@ipiinsih3655 that's the point of the character. And she went to Hollywood arts so she stopped being bland and boring, but she never did
@@user-gd7wr4cx4l So she's supposed to be a freak like Jade? An airhead like Cat? Or a misunderstood nerd like Robbie? Actually her character development is not in her quirks or personality traits, but in how she treats her friends. She went from kissing Beck to piss Jade off to actually care about her over the series. But yall are just too biased ig
about the spoons on the locker - they all look like theyre placed facing out, and when you look at the inside bit of a spoon, your reflection is upside down. maybe its her subtle attempt of showing everyone how she feels, how she knows that her reflection isnt like everyone elses, no matter what spoon she looks into, and how if other people were to look at the spoons the same way she did, theyd be upside down too.
Wow, I really like this interpretation!
Jayniac Jr. thank you :)))
That profile picture is sooo pretty!
@@Hanna-cb1og thank you hehe :))
Underrated comment
I wouldn’t want my sister to perform me a song for my bday lol tori took every chance she could get to perform it could of been Trina wedding and tori would be like my present to you is this performance and end up making the wedding all about her
Me neither :D When I would have a sister
But her comment on ''didn'T you get me something you payed for'' was logical.
I mean .... Yeah, many times birthday presents aren't really needed or so, but as a teenager and young adult you're old enough to ask for wishes .... (Also .... did no one there read books? Literally no one ? As artists and theater kids???)
A song is just .... played this one time with a show and than ... you forget it.
Even with it on an USB than it is just another representation how Tori is ''Better'' at singing, than Trina.
Yall are so stuck up, I'd hate to have siblings like yourselves lmao. It's not even really established that you NEED to give your siblings a present on their birthdays
Ngimingipi if you have Trina as a sister I think it would be an unspoken rule that you have to get her a present and her being so materialistic a good sister would of gotten her a handbag or something
Ngimingipi Just showing that you love and care for your sibling on their birthday is important, whether it’s in the form of a present or not. Everyone knows Trina is materialistic and her sister should know that. That kind of present doesn’t fit some people’s taste (like Trina’s) so I wouldn’t call them stuck up, I’d just say they have a preference. That’s just my opinion though.
@@diamondlife5110 But still, calling that song worthless and useless is just wrong, is it not? It's acceptable to say that it is if it's a cover but bruh this is a new song that took time and effort to make. Even though it's not the best present it's unfair for yall to undermine Tori's attempt to make Trina's birthday feel special.
People keep saying thay Trina acts the way she does because she's spoiled due to all the materialistic things she has gotten, now that Tori is actually giving something that's not merely an item, Tori is still at fault somehow?
I remember a *LONG* time ago that I read fanfiction and it was about how she attempted suicide because nobody liked or cared for her and it was sad. I feel bad for her character. She's probably just narcissistic and selfish because she just wants to seem cool and wants to be loved. She is most likely an attention hog because fame usually = attention and fans.
I think she’s trying to call for help, she wants to be the center of attention so ppl will finally pay attention to her and finally realize she’s not okay, and she’s just pretending her mental health is 👌. I did that for so long, but instead of trying to be the center of attention,I just hid.
omg the over the edge fanfiction i-
Barbie Tingz lmaoooo
Can someone send me a link? I wanna read it lol.
anormalfückingperson m.fanfiction.net/s/7777546/1/Trina-Interrupted just found it lol
“SHECAGO”
SHECAGOOOOOOO
@@glindamania ITS A CITAY THATS INVITING!
@@Liv-yk4mb ITS A CITY FOR A WOMAN JUST LIKE MEEEEEEEEEE
@@angelic6203 THERES A LAKE THEY CALL LAKE MICHIGAN I THINK IM REALLY FITTING IN THIS CITY IS MY PERFECT CUP OF TEAAA
Tbh though I feel like a lot of how Trina was writing was bad writing anyway. She's written to be unlikable by both the other characters and the audience. The scene you show where Tori is considering and acting Upon drowning Trina in the bathtub is meant to be comical when it really isn't. But tbh I've always been kinda iffy with Dans writing in all of his shows and what he protrays as comical.
@Truth-Rationale Scientist Oh please, Jade is implied to have attempted to kill Tori but no one mentions that? Oh that's right, it's because people hate Tori
Truth-Rationale Scientist but she’s not bullied all the time, you only think she is because of theories, but in the actual show, she’s annoying
@@ipiinsih3655 cause that's apart of her character? from the start Jade is meant to be the sadistic rival to Tori. not justifying what she says or does to Tori, but even from the first episode it's clear that jade hates Tori so it makes sense. that's how her character is. also there are people who don't like the way Jade treats Tori so i wouldn't just assume "no one brings that up because it's Tori, there are a lot of fans who defend Tori because of the treatment she receives from jade.
@@BabyGirlTiny it might not be all the time be she clearly does get bullied, regardless if she's annoying or not.
@@Diordollies. Nah, most of yall do hate Tori so I didn't say anything wrong.
trina is one of the best ppl in the series and im not gonna lie ive always been the same way as her which made me like her way more. i mean in the april fools ep she sang so good! i always felt bad for her since she was treated so bad! if i was one of the main characters i would totally be her friend. and the sad thing is that her parents dont like her. and even though trina treats tori bad somedays you can tell she lowkey is amazing! and she has a reason to act the way she is! shes amazing to me!
@@duhitzme1023 yes i agree with you too
YES. Everyone forgets that she actually sings very well in April Fools Blank and it should be remembered more
you act like her? uh... she thinks she's better than everyone else and she's pretty annoying but I do feel bad for her and she's funny
@@duhitzme1023 thats a pretty good theory! Its really interesting!
Trina’s one woman show was actually very very successful ok?. She is nice, the ones who are nasty are Tori and her friends who bully her because Tori is the mean girl who let them and encourage them to do it. Even her own parents bully her... poor Trina, why is everyone so horrible to her?
"poor Trina, why is everyone so horrible to her?"Uhmmm...because she's unbearable?🤨
@@Nicamon Nah. She's annoying, but I'd love to be her friend. lol
@@miracole1807 I would *NEVER* want to be her friend!And let alone her enemy! If we lived in the same world I would just *PRAY* to never meet her!X-P
I think Trina is a bit to bullied she’s just trying to get someone to be her friend and to not get disrespected for her “talent” poor Trina☹️
@@wefoundwonderland.13 Yeah,but she either doesn't realize or doesn't care just *how much annoying* she is. People keep telling her:"NO ONE LIKES YOU!"in a super-honest way and she does *nothing* to change that even just a little bit.She just keeps doing the same things over and over again. At that point if you don't have any friends,my lady,it's your own fault.ù__u
I used to hate Trina when I was little. But, when you really and truly look at it, she might act like this because, her parents don’t pay attention to her, her sister makes fun of her along with her sister’s friends/everyone else at school (even the people that she considers friends.,) and as she was reading that letter from that guy. Also whenever she’s around, Jade openly always tells her “No one likes you!” to let her and make sure that she knows. Also, in the episode where Tori and her friends are going to Yerba, Trina and Tori’s parents force tori to take Trina with Tori and her friends. They don’t even want Trina to come back. So, maybe Trina acts like this to cope with all of the bullying and bull crap that people put her through. But, that’s just my opinion.
This makes sense and doesn't actually take a jab at Tori. I wish more people would be this open minded and not biased.
@@ipiinsih3655 why are you in every single reply defending Tori. No one hates Tori (no one should) it's just that she is the most boring character. It isn't hate, it's criticism
Clutter i5s not criticism though. People dislike tori because she’s the main character and nothing else
@@user-gd7wr4cx4l "No one hates Tori" pfft if no one hated Tori , those tori hate videos with thousands of views wouldn't exist. You people are so weird.
When Tori is the main character: Fuck she's soo boring nothing special about her, the others would make better MCs.
When Tori is the main character and does something controversial: OMG SHE DID THAT WHY IS THE MAIN CHARACTER ACTING LIKE THAT
When literally every other character does something controversial: yes go queen i stan you should be the main character.
Homez18 people don’t hate her because she’s the main character or because theres no reason. They don’t like that other characters had more interesting storylines and personalities. Tori was a clean cut person who was good at everything and didn’t have a personal character arc or need to improve while everyone else did have ways to improve. They didn’t always end up improving but they had the potential to. Tori wasn’t a bad character she just wasn’t as complex as the others.
Another thing Trina did was on the first episode she talked her sister not to quit Hollywood Arts.
Okay but can we talk about the actress who plays Trina? She does such a great job at portraying her character!
right? Daniella never fails to amaze me
it takes a lot of talent to play an untalented person
@angelic dove she has a cute child !!!
@@theumairs5676 Yes very cute
@@theumairs5676imagine ur mom playing trina vega i’m jelly
Trina’s a great sister
~ drove hours to get stuff for grizzly glue
~ risked getting in trouble to get tori food
~ warned Tori before she got the chance to get seriously ill
And
• Gets Concerned about her when Tori got in Prison
•She's the reason why Tori even got in Hollywood Arts
There's probably other things but I can't remember
I just thought about the food thing. It just shows how manipulative Tori and her friends are to Trina also. Risking her record for them but treat her like shit later.
She also warned her about a guy who was a creep and had her back.
toris gift was the thing her sister wasn’t good at but wanted to be.its like backhaneded compliment
that makes no sense but ok
@@tizzle27_20 it makes perfect sense actually but ok
it’s just a show but i will always be convinced Tori knew exactly what she was doing and knew that “gift” would not be received well
I feel like Trina was the most relatable character in Victorious. Like I really relate to her as a person, she seems to just be misunderstood. Tori came to HW, like u said, a lot better than than Trina singing, dancing AND acting. Tori was ACCEPTED into HW due to Trina’s tongue issue. Trina just wants to be understood and be what her sister is. All the bullying from Tori’s friends don’t help and causes her to be thirstier for attention. Notice how she jumps into their plans even though she wasn’t invited. When she complains about attending, everyone reminds her how she isn’t wanted. She wants what Tori has, friends,popularity love from her parents
I’m confused why they called Trina “talentless” when clearly she’s talented in martial arts, acting, and more tbh
because they are kind of dumb
if "I feel like I'm the worst so I always act like I'm the best" was a person it'd her
Edit: thanks for the likes 💗
Ahh.
Marina's iconic line, I see.
MARINAAA
Ikr, it’s sad really
I guess she knows exactly what she wants and who she wants to be.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios She knows exactly why she walks and talks like a machine.
Honestly, Tori was pretty annoying herself
The least problematic characters on this show were Cat and Andre
Tori was too Mary-Sue ish and had no development. Not to mention when Trina was actually a good sister and tried to comfort/look out for Tori, she just brushed her off
@@anonymousartist80 Tfw cat always making a mess because of her clumsiness but no one mentions it
I think we All agree Tori is pretty annoying
@@ipiinsih3655 yeah. She was a little pink ball of pure chaotic energy
You didn’t put in the the fact that she has jogged in 10 inch heels
I always loved Trina. She was the underdog of the series and I thought she would have made a more interesting protagonist than Tori. I used to write a lot of fanfiction about Trina, trying to give her a better story. I felt bad that her parents didn’t seem to like her, and she didn’t have any friends. I thought that she and Cat were kind of friends and she had that weird thing going on with Sinjin. I thought she’d find her calling as a comedian because of her one-woman show, but that’s not the direction her story went.
What I don't like about the show is that they don't give Trina points for creativity and hard work. One woman show where she acts and sings? That takes hard work
She most definitely would have made a more interesting protagonist. A show about a girl bad at singing and dancing slowly getting better by each episode sound more interesting than a show about a girl doing random things with her friends
@@Cherrycream1-1 Yeah she would have been a great under dog
that actually sounds like a happy ending for trina omg
Yeah, the writers wrote trina just to make her the annoying sister and didnt even realized they made a very complex human being
ive always felt bad for trina because shes done so much for other people and in return she gets "NOBODY LIKES YOU" maybe trina invited herself to the beach with everyone else because maybe she thought it would be a good time to bond with her sister since tori was the only person who was okay with her
j_m1234 name one thing Trina has done for someone in the show?
Cat got along with Trina.
Homez breakfast bunch she brought them tacos. She helped when Cat used wrong glue on Tori she called doctor and got the glue remover.
@@BabyGirlTiny When Tori was with Rider Daniels, Trina told Tori that he is a player and would use her. She looked out for her younger sister.
@@majormana1 The breakfast bunch is implied to be non canon. But I agree with the other one.
In the episode where they have a "Sally" musical thing, and Tori got her blood taken out a bunch, Trina stopped Tori from smelling flowers that she was deadly allergic to.
Nice catch!!!
The main cast's lockers.
Tori: Make it shine
Andre: a piano
Jade: scissors
Cat: a pink, ladybug-catching plant
Robbie: nickel back buttons
Beck: transparent
Trina: full of spoons
Theory: Trina likes spooning
robbies is baby bottle nibs he said it in an episode before
hers isn't spoons?
Ok, Trina’s one women show was very entertaining.
Right! And Tori is always putting her down, and bashing her
CHICAGOOOOOOOO
CHI CA GO
ITS A CITY THATS EXCITING
IT’S A CITY THAT’S INVITING
IT’S A CITY FOR A WOMAN JUST LIKE MEEEE
it would be so much fun to sing it tho omggg
Thank you for noting that Trina's Gi in "Helen Back Again" and the fact while the show labels it as Karate, she's actually in uniform designated for Vovinam. Adding to that, in "Andre's Horrible Girl", she stealthily takes out a waitress from behind to don her uniform and get close to a music producer. The show clearly demonstrated that the students practice stunts and fight scenes (eg: Jade and Tori), Trina's character could've had a better path and overall development. Instead, they just dropped it after that episode and never brought it up again (until "How Trina Got In" which was a what-if scenario). Combining that with her dance skills (depending on the episode), it's clear she has coordination, some agility, and combat expertise. Compared to the other characters, Trina is the most physically talented.
I will say after I'm sad after watching her Slap videos for the first time - there's no laugh track to minimize the potent silence as she reads the negative comments she gets on social media, or her detailing the story of getting ditched on a date.
The fact that Trina was able to easily take down that waitress without making any noise makes me think that Trina would make a great marine or army ranger.
i’ve actually always felt bad for trina. even when i was younger. i read some of these comments and she could’ve been at her lowest point. like, tbh it *seems* like her parents favorite tori. i’m not even gonna lie. that episode when they had to re-audition and their mother got a call and tori right away assumed trina got cut. (even when it was a mistake). and with her birthweek (agreeing with comments) she probably doesn’t feel that much loved. and remember on the last episode of victorious when sinjin was like “you guys *always* get the leads in plays..” WHICH IS TRUE! tori is always the lead, she always gets an opportunity to make a play, honestly is so annoying. like the bullying part, tori just sits there acting like she a bad bitch but really, trina *is the reason tori got into hollywood arts.*
Andre is the reason Tori got into Hollywood Arts because Trina didn't do that to her tongue on purpose. But when it happened Andre's the one who convinced Tori to take her place.
Her mom didn't even give a shit about the TWO OF THEM in Driving Tori Crazy.
And mind you, Tori was the reason Trina gets to keep going in HA after the re-audtions. I wonder why yall purposely cut out the important parts to make Tori seem sooo bad.
And your sinjin argument is so taken out of context, he was saying it to EVERYONE who was fighting over followers
1 1 1 . How does Trinas parents favor Tori? Where does this come from? You do know why Tori thought Trina didn’t get in right! Because Trina has no talent in canon and there wasn’t a drugged out teacher to accidentally approve her.
Trina isn’t the reason Tori got into Hollywood arts, that was Andre. And Tori is the reason Trina got to stay in Hollywood arts, because it if wasn’t for Tori, Trina would have been kicked out because Trina has no talent and Helen could see it
Homez18 they favor her by talking to her willingly. If they can avoid dealing with Trina they will.
@@BabyGirlTiny they didn’t help Trina find her talent they put her down don’t bash her at least Trina tried putting on show she didn’t care what people thought about her
She's seventeen and has a dream, but she still loves her little sister. I never understood why everyone, including her little sister, hated her.
Her sister let other people bully her and she would even do that, to not bring Trina back from Yerba. In Trina´s case I would never stand up for Tori again and hate her back.
@@chiaratuba7593Agreed. I've never liked Tori as a character and her treatment of Trina is one my top 3 reasons.
@@RheemQ not only Tori, everyone near Trina failed on her, the students, people, her family and Toris friends.
@@chiaratuba7593 Yep
I really like Trina as character, but not so much as a person. I also don’t think her relationship with Tori is bad tbh
To me it seems to be a very realistic portray of what growing up with siblings is like: sometimes they’re helping each other and sometimes they’re killing each other.
Yes, idk why all these people act like Tori is SUCH a bad sister
What has Tori done for Trina beyond birthweek song and what she had to because of an agreement. I can tell you what Trina's done for Tori that sje didn't have to
@@majormana1 Uh, Tori SAVED Trina from getting expelled. Get your facts right.
Tori tried to drown her. Have a nice day
are you guys seriously getting mad over a show that ended 7 years ago? they both have their flaws and their good parts, some more than the other.
Here are my thoughts:
As an older sibling myself, I sometimes feel jealous of my younger sister. She always had an easier time making friends then me, and even though I'm not as crazy as Trina, I do get why she always feels like she needs to be better then Tori. Also, siblings, especially two girls close in age, fight all the time about stupid things. The whole video about being off pitch and filming it is a very relatable argument. You can be having a normal conversation then start fighting.
Great video and analysis, these are just some things I wanted to add
Same! Me and my only sister are two years apart and we can literally go from shouting at each other to laughing multiple times in the same conversation - it’s actually so weird now I think about it 😂
Me and my older sister argue a lot and my parents acted like there was something wrong with us, so I'm glad to hear we were normal. We are two years apart btw
Same! I'm the older sister and as the older one people already expect more from you, and then I'm being pitted against my younger sister whom everyone finds more attractive in every way even though I think we're both pretty in our own ways and it just sucks. Literally any point people can make they'll say like she's taller than you she has better hair better complexion it just goes on and I totally can relate to Trina and why she behaves the way she does
I’m the fourth out of five children(two older boys, one older sister, and one younger sister). My older sister and I have a 13 year age gap and she reluctantly took care of me when my grandmother had to be paid to do so during the day. We aren’t even full blood. She used to call me a beat too, but I knew she loved me, but showed it in a different way. As an older sibling, my sister has ADHD, and so I have to suck it up when I am neglected. I strived for perfection so my mom would notice and praise me. However, when I would break the ice for her, she would excel in my activities. She would beat me in talent for karate, singing, making friends, beauty, etc. sorry for writing a paragraph😅
I'm the youngest and I'm always compared to my older sisters and brothers. So same.
I always thought she was gonna have a break down and cry at some point. Tori was such a mean sister.
Yep because writing, composing and choreographing an entire song and performance as a gift for your sister and being the only one willing to help her stay in Hollywood Arts in Helen back again is being a "mean sister" 💀💀💀
@@tearindrop673 YES it is! Nobody wants a song for their birthday! Why would I want my sister to make my birthday about her by inviting all her friends (who bully me constantly) to watch her put on a performance on MY birthday like df Tori was either so self centered she couldn’t see that was a bad gift or she just didn’t care she should’ve taken her out to have fun or something instead
@@tearindrop673 tori didn't even write the song, Andre did
@@tearindrop673 But constantly bullying your sister is.
@@nobodyimportant4092 she never invited all her friends only andre was invited because he played instruments and wrote the song
Imagine if "How Trina Got In" never existed and the reason she got expected was left a total mystery
that would suck
Like her or not... she carried the show.
And jade and cat
Andre,rex,
Literally everyone except Victoria carried the show and its not like Victoria Justice (my wife) is a bad actress its just she got a shit script where she has to portray a Mary Sue and did the best
@@albertthepeacock8020 your wife???
@@albertthepeacock8020 don't lie
As a younger girl when I was depressed, I remember I covered it up with what Trina acts like. Ex: If my cousin opened the camera app on her phone I'd put my chin on her shoulder and wink at myself and say "Beauty." I was ashamed of how sad I was so I'd feel the need to make people think I'm confident every second of the day. (I'm no longer depressed.)
I do this too
*She's* *Not* *Terrible* *Tho* *She* *Have* *A* *Confidence* *that* *we* *would* *never* *have*
being arrogant isnt confidence
@@tizzle27_20 so
She is very confident and she believes in herself more than I ever could
@@kawaiirat2787 Arrogant and annoying people irritate people, it is one thing to recognize that you are good and another is to inflate your ego based on belittling others
Wow, Daniella Monet's acting truly makes me feel bad with Trina, she's such a good actress
they were all so mean to her. Imagine having your little sisters friends repeatedly tell you “no one likes you” and have your parents repeatedly say stuff like “you don’t have to bring her back”
Yeah.
That's an excellent point about the birthweek song. I think it's quite likely that Trina feels lasting resentment over the gift, which would have been exacerbated by her failure to perform the song for the music exec, and being forced to call Tori in to perform it instead. I hope some fan-fiction authors see this video and incorporate this into their work.
Not to mention, the entire song is kind of negging her. "You might be crazy but it's fine cause I love you" is not a compliment, you just called your sister crazy. Furthermore, it's also largely about Tori herself, rather than about Trina. I can totally understand her not seeing the song as a gift.
@@marijeflash Ah yes, playfully teasing your sister is SO BAD WOW INHUMANE EVIL.
The song was not about Tori insulting Trina in a "good" way, but it's how even though other people may see Trina as annoying or irritating, Tori loves her because she's her sister.
There's even the lyrics
"I don't even care when they say you're a little bit off, look me in the eye I say, I could never get enough"
@@ipiinsih3655 pipe df down Tori didn’t even write the song
@@nobodyimportant4092 Your point being? It's funny how people like you tell me to calm down rather than provide good argument to counter mine smh
Imagine everyone hating you even your own family, I really
Don’t blame Trina in how she acts
She ran so everybody else could walk
she can be a stunt double , since she can fight
Or she can do her own stunts like the bad bitch she is 🤩
About Trina’s birthday: toris present was sweet but didn’t align with Trina’s love language basically. Like, yes it was great but she didn’t show Trina love the way she receives/understands it. Yes you should defend her.
That's a terrible excuse.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Trina expresses it in a terrible way but that doesn’t mean it’s invalid.
@@fightingmedialounge519 nobody wants a stupid song for their birthday tori basically took her birthday and made it about her like
@@nobodyimportant4092 no, plenty people would love a song for their birthday especially if a lot of effort into it.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah, but from Trina's point of view it was probably Tori just showing off and/or one uping her and making Trina feel incompetent. I mean she's clearly wanted to be a singer for a while, but isn't as good at it as Tori is.
When you think about it. Trina has a really sad life.
Her parents don't care about her, she has no friends, she only got into Hollywood Arts is because a teacher got high on coconut juice.
It's truly sad.
if I were a character in victorious, I'd be Trina.
I feel like I’d be Jade except ugly the only reason I’m not like her rn is cuz I’m genuinely scared my parents will disown me they’re Asian and I feel like whatever I do is wrong
I think I would be an ugly version of cat because I’m a little naive and sensitive
I’d be Jade cause but less pretty. Just cause I’m dark and sadistic.
Gay Peanut lmaoo same but I truly don’t know who I am I was literally pretending to be somebody for like over half a year but the think I do know is that I think in a rather dark way and I’m dirty minded and ppl call me sassy so
I would be Robbie.
I always loved Trina 😭😭😭
I've noticed these behaviors among the people nobody liked in my classes (high school + college). Sometimes they were jerks, but it was clearly due to how cruelly everyone else treated them. Being kind to everyone will honestly give you some of the closest friends you will ever make. It's amazing how grateful some people for receiving basic human decency.
Trina is a more complex character than I initially thought.
10:21, when he says anyway it aligns with Trina
Dang, y'all notice everything!
Lmao 😂
trinas parents also didnt give her enough love. so trinas definition of a gift is probably because her parents just throw money at her. thats how she got attention and love from her parents so to her, the more money equals more love.
I feel like Trina is a pretty chill person to hang out with, when she's not bragging about her being the best
I think that the rest of Tori's friends woud have noticed that if they weren't so focussed in telling Trina how bad she is and Trina not so focussed on defending herself
And I thought Trina actually had a friend, in the first episode a girl comes to her telling her something like "This person has their hair like this" (I don't know it's been years since I watched the episode in Spanish) and the run off leaving Tori alone, but after that only scene I never saw anyone coming up to her as her friend
I agree but I think she does brag a lot about how she’s so good
bruh i now feel like the literal only person who never hated trina
i just thought she was a rly good older sis cuz many times she actually cared abt tori
I didn't
I used to hate her but recently I just noticed that she was probably neglected by parents that didn’t want kids and then everyone always loved her sister and hated her. I still don’t like her, but I can’t hate her after noticing these things.
Despite everything, Trina is a young girl. Having practically no friends, no social life, getting no attention from parents, and being constantly told you're bad at what you love or that no one likes you will have at least long-lasting damage to your mental health. I never thought about it that way until I came across this video, but now I feel really bad for Trina.
Am I the only one who didn't find her annoying? She was funny as heck 😂
The only time I didn't like her was when her wisdom teeth got taken out. It made no sense to me why should didn't want antibiotics, salt water or anything to numb the pain. Tbh I think people should have just let her catch an infection though
ima let the comments marinate
I think trina was seriously misunderstood, if you think back to the re-auditions...in the sicoitz flashback trina is perfect bullying material. Shes geeky and obviously a little introverted and extremely nervous. Sicoitz tells her she was amazing and she latched on to it, she held on to that belief despite everything and smilled her way through so much negative criticism....girls got some serious self assurance and ridiculously strong will
don't forget that in the April Fools episode, she actually sings really well.
wasn't that a distorted reality? lol
@@charlesintune she still sang well
@Selozar For real.
What.
The heck.
Is Canon.
I never realized how this show could be so dark and sad for the characters.... this could raise so many more eyebrows from people ._.
Something I kept noticing is how she is *always* cheering Tori on, even in the Birthweek bit she's grinning and cheering because she enjoys her sister's performances
I've always found Trina and Tori's relationship interesting. I feel like, because Tori wants to "fit in" and because Trina doesn't (and supposedly never has) Tori felt the need to distance herself from her as to not suffer the same fate. Although the show is in no way perfect, it shows a pretty realistic sibling relationship where deep down you care about and would do anything for each other but in the day to day you poke fun and fight because you know as your family they'll (most likely) never stray. I would also like to add that because they have distant/neglectful parents and what seems to be barely any other family, Tori might also think it's better to group with others (her friends at Hollywood Arts) than just Trina because then even if one of the group distances themselves or leaves she won't be all alone but in doing this she is causing her sister immense pain.
All in all, Trina deserves better.
Wait trina had a friend one girl in the first episode remember then the show cut her out
Yes, I did remember her. She just vanishes.
@@JayniacJr Its in like season 2 or something and then shes gone
@@elisabethfanfan9560 no it was in the pilot 🤦🏾♂️
Also Sinjin and the stage crew like her
I wish they would've showed her more, but we know she must have SOME friends because she's always on the phone
I think Trina acts like this because her sister just gets to walk in and have so much talent while she sits there practicing trying to make her voice better when none of it’s working
I'm telling you, the more I watch Victorious, the more I realize how awful Tori is.
Can you provide points other than:
1. She kissed beck
2. She kissed Cat's bf
3. She "stole" Andre's song
@@ipiinsih3655 Basement dweller. 🙄
She's not that bad
Outcast POV thank you!! Even when I was 11 & 22 now rewatching the series. I still like Tori yes she has done a few bad things but she’s a teenager & it was the writers fault for making bad choices. I still find Tori cute & dorky but she isn’t too crazy like everyone around her
@@ipiinsih3655 She tried to drown Trina in the bathtub. Who tf does that?
"Why and how Tori already knew all of Trina's choreography and the song lyrics is anyone's guess"
It's literally explained in the first episode. Trina made Tori rehearse with her and André for like a week. It's literally how her and André became friends.