Eta320: I can't believe they put Firefly as a premium, it is a iconic tank in British armor in WW2. The non premium Firefly just sit right next: BRUH!!!
Yeah was about to comment this, was midly infuriating to see him say that with the tech tree version set right next to it. Not only that but he actually clicks on it to move the garage slots...
I think its important to note that a lot of tech trees were simplified a while ago and a lot of tanks you see but aren't in the tech tree anymore are collectors vehicles. This includes things like the M3 Lee or the Jagdpanther II, simply because there too many similar vehicles in the same tier and/or did not fit the line it was building up to.
@@TomasLeGamer vehicle handling and mobility is leagues better though, not to mention depending on grinds, having the maybach engines unlocked from other lines made choosing the jagdpanther 2 a no brainer but also vice versa if you already grinded out the Tiger P.
@@bastulainenI've played War Thunder before and it is extremely painful and someone says in the forum that it took himself unlocking an MBT to 4 or 8 years to complete.
Okay... 41:06 made me fu**ing laugh so bad, I almost died xDDDDDDDDD... It should be "Połóż mnie z powrotem na stole" but the rest is just perfect. Poland mentioned.. love this
Lots of the blueprint based tanks had early unfinished prototypes which already adds more uniqueness to the game for example the Kranvagn and e100 never had finished turrets but had finished prototype hulls and they have pretty unique designs that add to the game
@@devlintaylor9520that's because in real life a lot of nations used tanks from other nations, England used quite a lot of Sherman's in ww2, France also used Sherman's, Italy used Sherman's when they turned on the allies.
@@AssassinIsAfk Thats fine in small amounts (sidenote: why does britian only get 2 shermans??), but when half of the tech tree is copys like china. Thats when its annoying. It should be a half tech tree like israel. When you have that many shared tanks, why even limit loadouts to nations? now nations can fight any nation, so it ruins any immersion left.
I never thought of wot as a simulator so when I see a tank with a gun or turret it didnt actually have, I think "Cool, this is interesting and seems fun to play, Im glad they allow you to do this" instead of "Ew, dont do that, fire whoever allowed this"
@@MiniSquatch785same here, but they keep advertising it as "realistic" so i hate the game just for that. Like if you want it to be realistic why add all of those tanks when you could simply say "oh its an arcade game with semi-realistic and fictional tanks" its kinda stupid of them
23:34 - Talking of the Captured King Tiger's appearance, they *DID* actually recreate the historical appearance of the vehicle in the game, and actually in quite good detail -- I would highly suggest looking up "world of tanks captured king tiger twitch 3d style" or similar to see pictures of it, as it's *surprisingly* well-done! The reason why you aren't seeing this on the one included in the press account is because this was added as a *separate* customization item (3D style), which you could apply from the exterior menu in-game (the thinking being, you could remove it/use other paints if you so desired). Assuming the style is owned on that account, anyway, which leads onto the unfortunate bit... Sadly, ever since the vehicle was first sold (after having been "decommissioned" from its original purpose - the vehicle originally served as a Twitch-Prime-exclusive rental vehicle in the game for a short while), this version of its appearance has not been made available again, for sale or otherwise. Bit of a shame, given how nice it looks, as well as how much more accurate it appears to be than any other video game rendition of this vehicle, even compared to the one in Wargaming's own separate Console version of the game (which is NOT the same game, despite the name). 😔(It has been speculated.) --- Also, something unrelated to comment on -- a lot of the instances of "guns which don't look right" or "turret from B variant on A hull" can be boiled down to two things: a) Stock grinds (researching/purchasing new guns/turrets/etc with XP/credits, respectively, which you earn by playing the tanks) and/or modifying vehicles to fit their respective tiers; b) Sometimes, multiple variants of vehicles may be "merged" together, rather than representing each variant exactly the way it would've been historically (i.e. the Pz IV A having the Pz IV B turret), due to gameplay reasons (there's no need to have those two separate modifications, when they both would play the same/aren't different enough to justify creating an entirely separate model, etc). Press accounts give access to all vehicles in their top configurations/with everything unlocked -- hence, all the "options" would normally be what you'd have to work your way through earning XP/credits for when researching the tank on a new account.
Don't remember it correctly but once there was a big change on how Prime gaming worked and along that World of Tanks removed the Captured King Tiger with the style completely from the game, this is a separate king tiger that was the last reward of a Helloween event which has its own fictional spooky look as an optional style. The historical accurate style therefore doesn't exist anymore
@n2sry405 Not quite - the Captured King Tiger from the Halloween mode is the same one from the Twitch Prime rental, just with a different + separate style. The original style still exists; anyone who bought the "original" Captured King Tiger from when it was sold shortly after the rental program ended got the historical style and can still use it to this day (just, not many people bought it, so it's fairly rare to see nowadays).
Biggest problem WoT had was inability to stop themselves. For example they really wanted to give Tiger H and Tiger P L/71 and have an upgradable turret. Have they done the obvious and put "Porsche" aka early Krupp Tiger B turret on them as turret ring diameter is the same? Nope. Because they didn't want sleek turret on Tiger I.
No, outside of the fact the early tiger b/2 turret wasnt the porsche turret but the preproduction turret, but also the fact pordche WASNT EVEN GIVEN THE OPTION TO COMPETE. The tiger 2 was solely an upgrade of the existing tiger 1 to better fit the evolving tank warfare and also increase the amount of common parts between it and the proposed panther 2. As for why a lot of tanks have guns they realistically wouldnt fit, its for balance, the tiger 1h is meant to fight tier 9 tanks, the short 88 would be helpless in those types of games, so it gets an extra leg up to help itself. Of course judging from your comment i have a feeling youre a hardcore warthunder fanboy
@@Thekilleroftanks I'm pretty sure there was a time when the Tiger 1 fought tier 10s. A time when there were only 3 tier 10s in the game, and all 3 of them were heavies.
@@Thekilleroftanks If I remember correctly, even around 2011 it was still a thing (that's how I started using 2011 in my name, LordTomi was taken already lol). I think +2 -2 came 1-2 years later, but I could be wrong.
T14 and A33 excelsior were developed side by side, both having issues and not being adopted in time for the D-Day landings due to development hell, then the Jumbo was a last minute band aid fix to fill the missing assault tank role
@@kubin226 napkins would have been better. Just look up the descriptions. They split 14TP story into both 14TP and PZInz. Likewise BUGI and KSUST were also the same vehicle. Meanwhile 9TP isn't even in the game.
38:41 The soviets did actually modify a lend lease matilda by putting on a ZIS-5 76mm cannon from a KV-1, though it wasnt a very good idea by the looks of it since they only made one...
Weirdly, after Gaijin added it to War Thunder (as an event vehicle) the upgunned lend-lease Matilda had one of the best kill/death ratios in the game for a couple of years. Probably because the only people who ever used it were grizzled veterans.
"Połóż mnie na spowrotem na stole" is wrong xD It means something like "put me on back on the table" You would have to remove the first "na" so that it would become "put me back on the table"
I have heard Chieftain talk about the historical accuracy in WoT: In WoT, accuracy often gives way to gameplay. Example of this he gave is the T-28 prototype with a gun depression in game of -10 degrees, even though in reality it was about -3, because otherwise it would be unusable. This also causes the weird guns and turrets. This could be explained in comparison with War Thunder: In WT, all tanks are supposed to be as realistic as possible, and if it isn't balanced, they change the Battle Rating. In contrast, in WoT, all tanks have a fixed tier from 1 to 10 and if the tank isn't balanced, they change the parameters or modules of the tank, resulting in a Pz.IV H with 105 mm gun. Of course, the stuff like weird gun mantlet on the M4A1 is just a mistake that no-one in the community or Wargaming cares about, because most of the tanks in WoT are made-up anyway.
Fun fact about the Super Pershing: it ‘allegedly’ killed a Tiger tank, however every piece of American intelligence at the time points to there being no Tiger tanks in the same area as the Super Pershing, so it’s generally believed it was probably a misidentified Panzer IV. America actually kept a pretty decent idea of where Tiger tanks were, at least towards the end of the war.
23:50 The captured King Tiger has a 3D style available with all those American customisations under the exterior tab, it comes base with the tank, you just have to apply it.
Clicked as soon as I saw "Tank enthusiast" in my notifications. This was a hell of a throw back for me, back when i played , my favourites were the A-20 , T-44 and the ISU-152-2.
3:35 the M2A1 light tank prototype (T2E1) was fitted with the 20 mm. The very short production run of M2A1 tanks had the .50 cal. Then the M2A2/A3 tanks had two turrets, both MG armed. The M2A4 returned to a single "Stuart" style turret with a 37 mm AT gun
Fun Sherman-minutia fact about the intermediate Sherman skirts at 14:55, they weren't just fenders from E8 Shermans retrofit on VVSS tanks but bespoke fenders to make room for the "duckbill" track extensions used in mud/snow!
38:40 Forgive me because I get all my tank info out of War Thunder and the occasional RUclips video but this one is real isn't it? it's in War Thunder as the Tank MK-II "Matilda" (F-96) From the WT wiki: Upgunning attempt While the Red Army used the standard 2-pounder gun installed on Matildas from the beginning, the evolution of German armour made this gun less and less effective. In December 1941, plans were made to equip Matildas with the 76 mm of the KV-1. Only 1 prototype was built. Installing a 76 mm gun in an already cramped turret without modifying it brought major shortcomings: the quasi-absence of gun depression and the even more limited space for loaders to operate around the gun. This led the Red Army to scrap the project and concentrate on new KV-1 models instead.
The pronounciation of pudel was ideal, words from a native speaker of Polish, and the t-34-85 rudy is from a Polish tv show from the 1950s or 60s, really recommend it, but you might not be able to find the translation to english
The springs above the gun mantlet on the T26E4 Super Pershing are called "equilibrators." They are to move the gun's balance point to the trunnions, in cases where the trunnions are near the breech. They are also found on many artillery pieces, including the M1/M114 155 mm howitzer.
Everyone always says that "wOt vEhIcLeS aRe uNrEaLiStIc". Without games like wot adding "unrealistic" prototypes all of these cool experimental tanks would die
TRUE tank enthusiasts would be estatic to see blueprint tanks recreated in high detail 3D why yes id like to see a what-if scenario where the japanese base their heavy tank development off of imported Tiger 1 tanks
@@damnedjuggernaut1051give gaijin a few years, they will get desperate enough to start adding prototypes and paper tanks. After all look at the spot japans currently in, theyre more or less at the limit as to what could be added past 8.0 in every tree outside of the f2 and f35. And the fact that currently japan cant get korea, and if they do get thailand it be missing half of the actual top tier tanks, because china doesnt want anyone else to get their shit
A lot of inaccuracies come from each tank having a single hull moddeled through all variations. (Along with all the lego-like swapping of real/experimental/theoretical components.) Once upon a time, they did actially do hull variations as an upgrade for select tanks - namely, the early Panzers, which may have helped with the disgust in the Pz.IV bit - this was done for a "historical mode" which restricted play to historic configurations and factions for specific battles. As soon as they debuted, things went wrong - noone wanted to go into battle with Panzer IIs against the SU-152, so it became a long queue of Tigers and IS series tanks waiting to face eachother. The mode died a very quick death, and the variations that had been introduced were excised from the game.
There actually was a Pve mode similar to that for an event called ‘Road to Berlin’ where the reward was an Is2 with the late war additions like the cage on the turret.
You can notice in war thunder the M4A1s sights are in a periscope if you don’t believe me go to your settings and turn on canon in sights or something like that if you turn that setting on you can wiggle the camera around and you can see the gun bottom left
Note that the captured King Tiger was not used in combat by the US, and indeed it was non-functional The turret had been jammed, and was janked back to forwards before they took it for a short joyride
Your take on the guns is absolutely correct. However, for game balance and evolution reasons, they needed to stick SOMETHING better on them to reward players for grinding the tanks. (No one tell this guy about the Waffenträger E 100)
I'm less sure this was truly unavoidable. You could take the other route and move the tanks down a tier, with weaker guns stock, and the historical config, the final upgrade. For example, we already have premium Tigers at T6 with the short 88. Balance the tanks around that.
I'm biased but I feel like looking at tanks in war thunder would be a fun "follow-up" to this (assuming that wouldn't upset wargaming, lol) given that war thunder very rarely includes modifications that actually change what model the tank would be considered, the main exceptions being add-on armor kits. I'd be curious what errors you could point out. they also have full x-ray and armor panel views to check out the armor layouts and internals in detail.
I've never found anyone as enthusiastic as me with tanks in my life until now. I can't believe I only just found this channel, and with a bonus: they like Polish tanks.
1:40 cursed tank sim is actually pretty fun. Me and my brother like to play it when WarThunder thinks it’s OK to get uptiered a lot when you have a good k/d. It’s not like that in CTS. My k/d there is 1:3,5 I love it 😁
24:00. they do have the real life mockup of the King tiger captured. its in the exterior customizations. not sure why it wasnt equipped since thats how i got it when i bought the tank.
The Tiger II (Captured) does have the actual modifications in game, its a special 3d style they gave the people who got it on the initial sale of it, and I believe a few after.
8:55 Someone from Wargaming might've seen this video, because as part of the changes to the Patton tech tree line that are coming in the next update, they're removing the ability to mount the 105 mm on the M4A1 with the 75 mm turret.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this: The Captured King Tiger does has the correct camo and clothed stars in the exterior tab in WoT, the tank has it on by default but the previous user on this press account turned it off. If you get the chance again, go check it out, should be in the presets tab
war thunder players leaking classified documents so some tank gets its 0.000001 faster reload like irl. meanwhile world of tanks: stacking mantlets on top of each other to make a cripple.
Before they did the major commander and UI overhaul in WoT i hade a huge sherman collection. My favorites were the M4 AMX13, the Thunderbolt, and the Fury
So when I first saw the M4-85 myself, I did some research on it. Apparently there was an actual proposal to upgun the Sherman by using the T-34-85's turret and gun. Not whatever that is.
16:00 The jumbo has upgrades as well. when you get the tank, it does have the correct turret and gun; the one you had was fully upgraded and had the regular sherman turret mounted, always check "research" at top right to change parts
iirc, while the additional mantlet armour on T26E4 "Super Pershing" was pulled off a Panther, the hull armour (and the balancing wings) was just some random 40 mm boiler plates they had found in a German locomotive repair workshop
About the M3 Lee being before T6 Medium, it was actually there in place of the T6, but they moved it to collector's tanks i believe because it was... horrible
TBH, I drove the M3 before it was removed, and it's honestly fine ... if you play it as a TD instead. Really high DPM for the tier, and good enough pen for most everything at tier4. But you need to know how to work with a fixed gun and keep at a distance, which is less likely for new people not purposely going for a TD playstyle.
Also the Captured King Tiger has that historical style you mentioned as a 3d style, seperate from the vehicle. It came prepackaged back when it was a reward for amazon prime gaming
If you can't believe the Panzer II J was made, you definitely won't believe that the Panzer I F was made lmao. Also, the Matilda ii with 76mm is real, but WoT devs most likely oversized the turret.
You specifically talk about the counter weight of the bussle storage unit, and wings on the turret but the wings as counter weight was for gun traversal as the gun and additional armor weighed too much to lift the gun (which inadvertently ended up just being super damn heavy in the end hence the spring system on top). It was not counterweight for the suspension otherwise it would just be mounted on the turret itself not the mantlet piece it’s also far enough forward where it would not do great as a counterweight for the suspension either
Many of the tank models are remarkably good underneath the module loadout weirdness. Wargaming have partnerships with several tank collections and museums and they analyse vehicles with 3D scanning tech and measure armor thickness in detail, and they get access to all kinds of blueprints and engineering notes. It would be interesting to know how many of the modeling mistakes are caused by the actual example they scanned being abnormal
Btw ETA if you have the GuP Crew, you can hear them I know this because I have Iona in WoWs (even tho it was long since I played that game) and its the best freature of that game lol. (Fun Fact, Miho, Iona, same VC)
If you like the Polish tech tree, you might be happy to hear they're implementing tank destroyers there soon... Then again, you might just think they're cursed.
I will note that a few years back they did tech tree simplification that resulted in things such as the T1 at T1 losing its historical turret to compress grind to get people out of lower tiers and into higher tiers quicker. A lot of very important historical tanks were shuffled off into "Collector's Vehicles" were basically only tank nerds will ever play them, and as a result tanks that were pretty common are stupidly rare in matchmaking compared to other tanks. Ram II's placement as an American tank is because it was introduced into the game as part of the first generation of premium tanks before the game launched back in 2010. WoT launched with three nations - Germany, the USSR, and USA. The UK wasn't added until a few years into the game's lifespan (and indeed France came first), so Ram was implemented as an American tier 5 premium medium tank (much like how T14 was implemented as a tier 5 premium heavy). Panzer IV Mit Schmalturm is also a callback to the OLD Panzer IV the game had - which was a composite of all Panzer IV models, and had the Schmalturm and 7.5cm L/70 as its upgraded gun. This was removed after +/-3 tier matchmaking was removed in favor of +/-2 and 357 Matchmaking (much like the Tier 5 "KV" which was split between the KV-1 and KV-2).
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Eta320: I can't believe they put Firefly as a premium, it is a iconic tank in British armor in WW2.
The non premium Firefly just sit right next: BRUH!!!
Yeah was about to comment this, was midly infuriating to see him say that with the tech tree version set right next to it. Not only that but he actually clicks on it to move the garage slots...
I may be stupid
@@eta320 Nah, you're just blind my friend :D
There are two fireflies in WoT there is one based on the Short Sherman Hull and the premium is based on the A4 hull.
@@eta320 its also a composite firefly
I think its important to note that a lot of tech trees were simplified a while ago and a lot of tanks you see but aren't in the tech tree anymore are collectors vehicles. This includes things like the M3 Lee or the Jagdpanther II, simply because there too many similar vehicles in the same tier and/or did not fit the line it was building up to.
Removing the jagdpanther 2 isntead of the ferdinand just proves that wg hates their players 💀
@@Donir100 ferdinand fits the heavy tank destroyer playstyle of the Jgtiger and JgPz E100
@@TomasLeGamer yeah, but its sluggish and has limited armour, while the jagdpanther 2 is agile and has angled armour.
@@Donir100 as someone who plays the JgPanther 2 quite a bit, the armour is shit. I'd rather have the Ferdinand if i needed to block damage.
@@TomasLeGamer vehicle handling and mobility is leagues better though, not to mention depending on grinds, having the maybach engines unlocked from other lines made choosing the jagdpanther 2 a no brainer but also vice versa if you already grinded out the Tiger P.
WoT: unrealistic pain (takes 50 hours to grind a whole tech tree)
WT: realistic pain (takes 500+hours just to grind a single tank)
yeah you've never played wt
@@bastulainenI've played War Thunder before and it is extremely painful and someone says in the forum that it took himself unlocking an MBT to 4 or 8 years to complete.
@@edgychico9311 i have 390 hrs on warthunder and i'm basically at top tier in germany and midtier in usa
@@bastulainen free to play?
@@Bileks150 almost all the playtime were from the summer event and the 292 event and I used a premium account and prem tank
45 minutes of nerding over tanks my favorite
Only 45 minutes tho
We need more
Okay... 41:06 made me fu**ing laugh so bad, I almost died xDDDDDDDDD... It should be "Połóż mnie z powrotem na stole" but the rest is just perfect.
Poland mentioned.. love this
I can't believe he would fuck this up
I literally typed it out for him
smh my head 😞
@@justbeq5177 Truly a sad day
No views after 10 secs lmao fell off + ratio + ammo detonated
Says the pyrocynical viewer
For real
Anyone hating on this guy actually has lost their sense of humor and have to google what sarcasm is.
@@juriszzzgaming8837hehe, that's funny. That guy is us when we first discover the internet.
This comment is not funny, never has been funny, and never will be funny
Random unfinished blueprint of a tank: * *exists* *
WoT: yeah, it’s a new tank now.
At least its creative. War thunder just copy pastes the same tank in other trees
Lots of the blueprint based tanks had early unfinished prototypes which already adds more uniqueness to the game for example the Kranvagn and e100 never had finished turrets but had finished prototype hulls and they have pretty unique designs that add to the game
@@devlintaylor9520that's because in real life a lot of nations used tanks from other nations, England used quite a lot of Sherman's in ww2, France also used Sherman's, Italy used Sherman's when they turned on the allies.
@@AssassinIsAfk Thats fine in small amounts (sidenote: why does britian only get 2 shermans??), but when half of the tech tree is copys like china. Thats when its annoying. It should be a half tech tree like israel.
When you have that many shared tanks, why even limit loadouts to nations? now nations can fight any nation, so it ruins any immersion left.
@@devlintaylor9520 war thunder is about realism but not the emersion, I leant that what I am facing M109's as a tiger 1 E tank
I never thought of wot as a simulator so when I see a tank with a gun or turret it didnt actually have, I think "Cool, this is interesting and seems fun to play, Im glad they allow you to do this" instead of "Ew, dont do that, fire whoever allowed this"
I always liked wot because it felt like a video game
@@MiniSquatch785same here, but they keep advertising it as "realistic" so i hate the game just for that. Like if you want it to be realistic why add all of those tanks when you could simply say "oh its an arcade game with semi-realistic and fictional tanks" its kinda stupid of them
23:34 - Talking of the Captured King Tiger's appearance, they *DID* actually recreate the historical appearance of the vehicle in the game, and actually in quite good detail -- I would highly suggest looking up "world of tanks captured king tiger twitch 3d style" or similar to see pictures of it, as it's *surprisingly* well-done!
The reason why you aren't seeing this on the one included in the press account is because this was added as a *separate* customization item (3D style), which you could apply from the exterior menu in-game (the thinking being, you could remove it/use other paints if you so desired). Assuming the style is owned on that account, anyway, which leads onto the unfortunate bit...
Sadly, ever since the vehicle was first sold (after having been "decommissioned" from its original purpose - the vehicle originally served as a Twitch-Prime-exclusive rental vehicle in the game for a short while), this version of its appearance has not been made available again, for sale or otherwise. Bit of a shame, given how nice it looks, as well as how much more accurate it appears to be than any other video game rendition of this vehicle, even compared to the one in Wargaming's own separate Console version of the game (which is NOT the same game, despite the name). 😔(It has been speculated.)
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Also, something unrelated to comment on -- a lot of the instances of "guns which don't look right" or "turret from B variant on A hull" can be boiled down to two things:
a) Stock grinds (researching/purchasing new guns/turrets/etc with XP/credits, respectively, which you earn by playing the tanks) and/or modifying vehicles to fit their respective tiers;
b) Sometimes, multiple variants of vehicles may be "merged" together, rather than representing each variant exactly the way it would've been historically (i.e. the Pz IV A having the Pz IV B turret), due to gameplay reasons (there's no need to have those two separate modifications, when they both would play the same/aren't different enough to justify creating an entirely separate model, etc).
Press accounts give access to all vehicles in their top configurations/with everything unlocked -- hence, all the "options" would normally be what you'd have to work your way through earning XP/credits for when researching the tank on a new account.
Don't remember it correctly but once there was a big change on how Prime gaming worked and along that World of Tanks removed the Captured King Tiger with the style completely from the game, this is a separate king tiger that was the last reward of a Helloween event which has its own fictional spooky look as an optional style. The historical accurate style therefore doesn't exist anymore
@n2sry405 Not quite - the Captured King Tiger from the Halloween mode is the same one from the Twitch Prime rental, just with a different + separate style. The original style still exists; anyone who bought the "original" Captured King Tiger from when it was sold shortly after the rental program ended got the historical style and can still use it to this day (just, not many people bought it, so it's fairly rare to see nowadays).
Biggest problem WoT had was inability to stop themselves.
For example they really wanted to give Tiger H and Tiger P L/71 and have an upgradable turret. Have they done the obvious and put "Porsche" aka early Krupp Tiger B turret on them as turret ring diameter is the same? Nope. Because they didn't want sleek turret on Tiger I.
No, outside of the fact the early tiger b/2 turret wasnt the porsche turret but the preproduction turret, but also the fact pordche WASNT EVEN GIVEN THE OPTION TO COMPETE.
The tiger 2 was solely an upgrade of the existing tiger 1 to better fit the evolving tank warfare and also increase the amount of common parts between it and the proposed panther 2.
As for why a lot of tanks have guns they realistically wouldnt fit, its for balance, the tiger 1h is meant to fight tier 9 tanks, the short 88 would be helpless in those types of games, so it gets an extra leg up to help itself. Of course judging from your comment i have a feeling youre a hardcore warthunder fanboy
@@Thekilleroftanks I'm pretty sure there was a time when the Tiger 1 fought tier 10s. A time when there were only 3 tier 10s in the game, and all 3 of them were heavies.
@@LordTomi2011 oh ya I just remembered that, that was during the beta days if I am not mistaken
@@Thekilleroftanks If I remember correctly, even around 2011 it was still a thing (that's how I started using 2011 in my name, LordTomi was taken already lol). I think +2 -2 came 1-2 years later, but I could be wrong.
@@Thekilleroftanks do you have any idea what "" are for?
27:10 The "Toothrbrush gun" is actually 30mm MK-103, an aircraft autocannon 🤣. This setup is insane
T14 and A33 excelsior were developed side by side, both having issues and not being adopted in time for the D-Day landings due to development hell, then the Jumbo was a last minute band aid fix to fill the missing assault tank role
And A33 Excelsior was supposed to replace Churchill until they found out that they can upgrade the Churchill to become a better infantry tank.
tbf, modifying a Sherman meant you can keep using Sherman parts instead a whole new assembly line for a niche role
40:53 that T-34 is from classic polish show "Czterej Pancerni i Pies"
but those later polish vehicles are all just napkin tanks
34:57 you also have non premium firefly to the left
@@kubin226 napkins would have been better. Just look up the descriptions. They split 14TP story into both 14TP and PZInz. Likewise BUGI and KSUST were also the same vehicle.
Meanwhile 9TP isn't even in the game.
that's cool my friend told me about that show
and now I remember I need to watch it
24:47 Hey, look it's me
38:41 The soviets did actually modify a lend lease matilda by putting on a ZIS-5 76mm cannon from a KV-1, though it wasnt a very good idea by the looks of it since they only made one...
Weirdly, after Gaijin added it to War Thunder (as an event vehicle) the upgunned lend-lease Matilda had one of the best kill/death ratios in the game for a couple of years. Probably because the only people who ever used it were grizzled veterans.
@@Senbei01 It's pretty funny too since it's actually really bad at its BR.
"Połóż mnie na spowrotem na stole" is wrong xD
It means something like "put me on back on the table"
You would have to remove the first "na" so that it would become "put me back on the table"
I have heard Chieftain talk about the historical accuracy in WoT: In WoT, accuracy often gives way to gameplay. Example of this he gave is the T-28 prototype with a gun depression in game of -10 degrees, even though in reality it was about -3, because otherwise it would be unusable.
This also causes the weird guns and turrets. This could be explained in comparison with War Thunder: In WT, all tanks are supposed to be as realistic as possible, and if it isn't balanced, they change the Battle Rating. In contrast, in WoT, all tanks have a fixed tier from 1 to 10 and if the tank isn't balanced, they change the parameters or modules of the tank, resulting in a Pz.IV H with 105 mm gun.
Of course, the stuff like weird gun mantlet on the M4A1 is just a mistake that no-one in the community or Wargaming cares about, because most of the tanks in WoT are made-up anyway.
I think this perfectly describes WoT's design philosophy compared to WT's
Next to the Sherman VC Firefly was a normal Sherman Firefly
Fun fact about the Super Pershing: it ‘allegedly’ killed a Tiger tank, however every piece of American intelligence at the time points to there being no Tiger tanks in the same area as the Super Pershing, so it’s generally believed it was probably a misidentified Panzer IV.
America actually kept a pretty decent idea of where Tiger tanks were, at least towards the end of the war.
23:50 The captured King Tiger has a 3D style available with all those American customisations under the exterior tab, it comes base with the tank, you just have to apply it.
Ya, I was gunna say wasn't there a 3d style that looked closer
Clicked as soon as I saw "Tank enthusiast" in my notifications.
This was a hell of a throw back for me, back when i played , my favourites were the A-20 , T-44 and the ISU-152-2.
Man the A-20 was a beast back when I played in 2016. It was my favorite tank lol
Is this the guy that gets off watching Israeli (U.S.) Thanks blow up hospitals and mosques?
Fun fact the russian Matilda IV at 38:41 was actually build as an upgunned lend lease matilda
3:35 the M2A1 light tank prototype (T2E1) was fitted with the 20 mm. The very short production run of M2A1 tanks had the .50 cal. Then the M2A2/A3 tanks had two turrets, both MG armed. The M2A4 returned to a single "Stuart" style turret with a 37 mm AT gun
Toldi was not a Hungarian tank but the cannon is Hungarian however its the hull and the turret is Swedish.
Yes Eta, the Sherman Firefly VC is a premium at the same tier as the tech tree Sherman Firefly
Fun Sherman-minutia fact about the intermediate Sherman skirts at 14:55, they weren't just fenders from E8 Shermans retrofit on VVSS tanks but bespoke fenders to make room for the "duckbill" track extensions used in mud/snow!
38:40 Forgive me because I get all my tank info out of War Thunder and the occasional RUclips video but this one is real isn't it? it's in War Thunder as the Tank MK-II "Matilda" (F-96)
From the WT wiki:
Upgunning attempt
While the Red Army used the standard 2-pounder gun installed on Matildas from the beginning, the evolution of German armour made this gun less and less effective. In December 1941, plans were made to equip Matildas with the 76 mm of the KV-1. Only 1 prototype was built. Installing a 76 mm gun in an already cramped turret without modifying it brought major shortcomings: the quasi-absence of gun depression and the even more limited space for loaders to operate around the gun. This led the Red Army to scrap the project and concentrate on new KV-1 models instead.
Why is the obj 726 called the obj 279e? WG moment
The pronounciation of pudel was ideal, words from a native speaker of Polish, and the t-34-85 rudy is from a Polish tv show from the 1950s or 60s, really recommend it, but you might not be able to find the translation to english
2 uploads in 2 weeks!? Dawg is spoiling us
The improved Sherman looks like my attempts to make a Sherman in sprocket.
He is still trapped in a world of tanks
The excitement for seeing polish tanks warms my heart, thank you.
The M26 E4 Pershing was originally designed to knock out the much more heavily armored German Tiger 2. That’s what I know about M26 E4 Pershing.
now this is my kind of channel. Taking the word nerd to a whole new level, especially when tanks are involved is a great thing imo
The springs above the gun mantlet on the T26E4 Super Pershing are called "equilibrators." They are to move the gun's balance point to the trunnions, in cases where the trunnions are near the breech. They are also found on many artillery pieces, including the M1/M114 155 mm howitzer.
The turret on the Luchs was real is the turret of the VK1602 ,the Mk103 on it is completely fictional
Everyone always says that "wOt vEhIcLeS aRe uNrEaLiStIc". Without games like wot adding "unrealistic" prototypes all of these cool experimental tanks would die
TRUE tank enthusiasts would be estatic to see blueprint tanks recreated in high detail 3D
why yes id like to see a what-if scenario where the japanese base their heavy tank development off of imported Tiger 1 tanks
Its why i never really got into war thunder, not enough wacky paper tanks
@@damnedjuggernaut1051give gaijin a few years, they will get desperate enough to start adding prototypes and paper tanks.
After all look at the spot japans currently in, theyre more or less at the limit as to what could be added past 8.0 in every tree outside of the f2 and f35.
And the fact that currently japan cant get korea, and if they do get thailand it be missing half of the actual top tier tanks, because china doesnt want anyone else to get their shit
I love to see those paper and prototype tanks become alive in WoT
That's the soul reason why I hate warthunder. It's so hell bent on realism and throws away anything different
I'm pretty sure the Matilda with the F-34 actually existed.
I think one prototype was builded
Still, was built. Unlike anything T4-T10 in Polish tech tree... @@yixuan7043
A lot of inaccuracies come from each tank having a single hull moddeled through all variations. (Along with all the lego-like swapping of real/experimental/theoretical components.)
Once upon a time, they did actially do hull variations as an upgrade for select tanks - namely, the early Panzers, which may have helped with the disgust in the Pz.IV bit - this was done for a "historical mode" which restricted play to historic configurations and factions for specific battles. As soon as they debuted, things went wrong - noone wanted to go into battle with Panzer IIs against the SU-152, so it became a long queue of Tigers and IS series tanks waiting to face eachother. The mode died a very quick death, and the variations that had been introduced were excised from the game.
You'd think it'd be more interesting as a PvE mode.
There actually was a Pve mode similar to that for an event called ‘Road to Berlin’ where the reward was an Is2 with the late war additions like the cage on the turret.
You can notice in war thunder the M4A1s sights are in a periscope if you don’t believe me go to your settings and turn on canon in sights or something like that if you turn that setting on you can wiggle the camera around and you can see the gun bottom left
Note that the captured King Tiger was not used in combat by the US, and indeed it was non-functional
The turret had been jammed, and was janked back to forwards before they took it for a short joyride
Man is willing to sacrifice effectiveness and "fun" for historical accuracy.
Your take on the guns is absolutely correct. However, for game balance and evolution reasons, they needed to stick SOMETHING better on them to reward players for grinding the tanks.
(No one tell this guy about the Waffenträger E 100)
I'm less sure this was truly unavoidable. You could take the other route and move the tanks down a tier, with weaker guns stock, and the historical config, the final upgrade. For example, we already have premium Tigers at T6 with the short 88. Balance the tanks around that.
I'm biased but I feel like looking at tanks in war thunder would be a fun "follow-up" to this (assuming that wouldn't upset wargaming, lol) given that war thunder very rarely includes modifications that actually change what model the tank would be considered, the main exceptions being add-on armor kits. I'd be curious what errors you could point out. they also have full x-ray and armor panel views to check out the armor layouts and internals in detail.
I've never found anyone as enthusiastic as me with tanks in my life until now. I can't believe I only just found this channel, and with a bonus: they like Polish tanks.
You should see their "T28", they also made the front of the T28 (combat configuration) much rounder than it actually is.
39:52 fun fact: In WOT Blitz they got it right because WG put the Canadian flag making it the only Canadian tank in the game!
another fact: vickers mk f is the only finnish tank in wot
19:49 it’s metal that was taken from a boiler if I remember correctly
1:40 cursed tank sim is actually pretty fun. Me and my brother like to play it when WarThunder thinks it’s OK to get uptiered a lot when you have a good k/d. It’s not like that in CTS. My k/d there is 1:3,5 I love it 😁
His reaction to the 7TP is unbeatable.
24:00. they do have the real life mockup of the King tiger captured. its in the exterior customizations. not sure why it wasnt equipped since thats how i got it when i bought the tank.
The Tiger II (Captured) does have the actual modifications in game, its a special 3d style they gave the people who got it on the initial sale of it, and I believe a few after.
8:55 Someone from Wargaming might've seen this video, because as part of the changes to the Patton tech tree line that are coming in the next update, they're removing the ability to mount the 105 mm on the M4A1 with the 75 mm turret.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this:
The Captured King Tiger does has the correct camo and clothed stars in the exterior tab in WoT, the tank has it on by default but the previous user on this press account turned it off. If you get the chance again, go check it out, should be in the presets tab
At 24:18 - It's really weird because WoT Console has the exact Tiger II you're describing, complete with tarps and original tricolor German paint.
war thunder players leaking classified documents so some tank gets its 0.000001 faster reload like irl. meanwhile world of tanks: stacking mantlets on top of each other to make a cripple.
*cries in 3 Marks of Excellence with the M4 Sherman.....8 years ago*
That smile when the GuP Pv.IV popped up lol
So a few things that I noticed
Matilda with a 76 gun is real
T-34-85 extended turret is probably the 3 man variant of the early T-34-85 turret.
That polish panther is probaly saying what most cats say when they get picked up
Before they did the major commander and UI overhaul in WoT i hade a huge sherman collection. My favorites were the M4 AMX13, the Thunderbolt, and the Fury
So when I first saw the M4-85 myself, I did some research on it. Apparently there was an actual proposal to upgun the Sherman by using the T-34-85's turret and gun. Not whatever that is.
16:00
The jumbo has upgrades as well. when you get the tank, it does have the correct turret and gun; the one you had was fully upgraded and had the regular sherman turret mounted, always check "research" at top right to change parts
I did! If you watch the video I continue inspecting the jumbo and all it’s parts, and I find the correct turret and gun
@@eta320 yeah my b
it's my usual "comment without context" kicking in
24:08 There is a 3d style of captured tiger like on photos but it was available only when this tank was in twitch prime subscription rewards
The captured king tiger has those visual things, you just have to put it on. Its a camouflage.
As a ship buff this is some quality content; excellent outro
M4-85 moment killed me, that was my exact reaction when the tank came out in game
10:15 holy fuck I did not realize how cursed that 105 mantlet was until just now….and I’ve been a Sherman nerd for years (in this game as well)
iirc, while the additional mantlet armour on T26E4 "Super Pershing" was pulled off a Panther, the hull armour (and the balancing wings) was just some random 40 mm boiler plates they had found in a German locomotive repair workshop
a fellow 38t enjoyer fucking love that tank it hits the eyes right love how the turan is a bigger pz38 kinda
About the M3 Lee being before T6 Medium, it was actually there in place of the T6, but they moved it to collector's tanks i believe because it was... horrible
TBH, I drove the M3 before it was removed, and it's honestly fine ... if you play it as a TD instead. Really high DPM for the tier, and good enough pen for most everything at tier4. But you need to know how to work with a fixed gun and keep at a distance, which is less likely for new people not purposely going for a TD playstyle.
@@Appletank8doesn't work. Has no camo. Garbage tank
The top turret on the T26 pershing is actually from the 105mm variant
Also the Captured King Tiger has that historical style you mentioned as a 3d style, seperate from the vehicle. It came prepackaged back when it was a reward for amazon prime gaming
Oh and there is a "tech tree" firefly tank
If you can't believe the Panzer II J was made, you definitely won't believe that the Panzer I F was made lmao.
Also, the Matilda ii with 76mm is real, but WoT devs most likely oversized the turret.
You specifically talk about the counter weight of the bussle storage unit, and wings on the turret but the wings as counter weight was for gun traversal as the gun and additional armor weighed too much to lift the gun (which inadvertently ended up just being super damn heavy in the end hence the spring system on top). It was not counterweight for the suspension otherwise it would just be mounted on the turret itself not the mantlet piece it’s also far enough forward where it would not do great as a counterweight for the suspension either
The WoT Panther (VII) looks funny😂
I could watch this for hours
Toldi was a hungarian tank but it was a licence copy of the swedish L60
Please make another episode of this, i enjoyed it sooo mutch!! :D
I would love this to be a series
Bonple decall on the wall - my Polish heart melts and I feel obliged to give a like! 😏
41:07 And this lexical masterpiece made my day! 😆
what does it say?
funny how this would be easier outside a press acount since you can preview all the tanks configs without having to buy the modules.
I got a rental of the Captured Tiger from twitch drops long ago, back then it actually looked how it did irl with the front cloth with american star.
i just looked at the thumbnail and already knew that aint going to be going well
Don't forget in the tech tree about collectors vehicles. tanks that "didn't fit" the tree so they have a separate category
Many of the tank models are remarkably good underneath the module loadout weirdness. Wargaming have partnerships with several tank collections and museums and they analyse vehicles with 3D scanning tech and measure armor thickness in detail, and they get access to all kinds of blueprints and engineering notes.
It would be interesting to know how many of the modeling mistakes are caused by the actual example they scanned being abnormal
16:09 Sherman jumbo if you mount the stock turret it will be the correct turret with correct gun mount.
the last gun on T-34-85 is actually exist. but not intended for T-34-85. but for T-44
I'm surprised he didn't go into looking at the Tiger I...
It should not have a 10,5 cm cannon.
I did make an attempt at using the 10.5 on the Tiger during my first grind. It was very difficult.
26:49 this Luch role play as VK16.02 Leopard
The gun is aircraft MK103 which I know later how it get there in first place
Omg I’m so happy I found another jagpanzer 1 fan
"Only you could get a tank!"
A texan: "Oh yeah?" *fires M4 Sherman*
I've never seen someone react so happy to a polish tanks XD
Btw ETA if you have the GuP Crew, you can hear them
I know this because I have Iona in WoWs (even tho it was long since I played that game) and its the best freature of that game lol.
(Fun Fact, Miho, Iona, same VC)
34:00 i saw that turret in an old book. Atleast one prototype was found and suspected to be for a Panther
It is a Panther turret, on a Panzer 4 hull
Irl, the hull would've suffer because Panther turret is really heavy than what the Pz4 is supposed to carry
Forgotten Hope (a mod for Battlefield 1942) has nice models of both single- and twin-turreted 7TP.
If you like the Polish tech tree, you might be happy to hear they're implementing tank destroyers there soon... Then again, you might just think they're cursed.
Console WoT made the real captured King Tiger with the cloth stars hung on it.
I will note that a few years back they did tech tree simplification that resulted in things such as the T1 at T1 losing its historical turret to compress grind to get people out of lower tiers and into higher tiers quicker. A lot of very important historical tanks were shuffled off into "Collector's Vehicles" were basically only tank nerds will ever play them, and as a result tanks that were pretty common are stupidly rare in matchmaking compared to other tanks.
Ram II's placement as an American tank is because it was introduced into the game as part of the first generation of premium tanks before the game launched back in 2010. WoT launched with three nations - Germany, the USSR, and USA. The UK wasn't added until a few years into the game's lifespan (and indeed France came first), so Ram was implemented as an American tier 5 premium medium tank (much like how T14 was implemented as a tier 5 premium heavy).
Panzer IV Mit Schmalturm is also a callback to the OLD Panzer IV the game had - which was a composite of all Panzer IV models, and had the Schmalturm and 7.5cm L/70 as its upgraded gun. This was removed after +/-3 tier matchmaking was removed in favor of +/-2 and 357 Matchmaking (much like the Tier 5 "KV" which was split between the KV-1 and KV-2).
that captured king tiger have 3d style in game to looks like the historical one