The Secret to DI Guitars
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Question answer from Jet Black about DI Guitars and amp sims
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dude you have got to start staying on point with the info your providing. also this is not to be negative, but I the avg person will not wait 3 minutes for you to start your tutorials, please give this some thought, because your info is really spot on, but your scatter talking is not conducive for the turtorials
skip to 2:15 ur welcome bro
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I never thought to put a trim before the la3a, that's a good tip in and of itself.
Yep! Glad you enjoyed it. Make sure to ask if you have any more questions :)
Besides the fact that I love these videos... but why, for the LOVE OF GOD does it take you 2 mins to actually start talking about the actual content? Just a question, use it don't use it.
The epitome of redundancy.
He’s just laying the foundation to the video man. The backdrop
simplest solution is post a timestamp in a comment. intro skippers rise up 2:00
fr at least leave time marks in description plz
Thanks for the heads up, saved 2 minutes of my life
Literally my favorite RUclipsr right now
Hey, thanks!!
I've been using a DI box before an external mic pre and THEN into my interface. I keep the interface gain all the way down. The DI box is a Countryman. It adds a little clarity and high end. And the mic pre I have is the Camden EC1. Highly recommend. Not only does it have a high pass filter, but it also has a saturation knob with two colors -- "Cream" for high end saturation, and "Thump" for low end. With guitars I turn the Cream knob about 1/3rd up and I crank the preamp gain by 30 db or so. This gives it a very pleasant warm distortion that sounds great even on clean guitars. I've thought about mic'ing an amp, but my room's acoustics suck. Plus, I hear that learning how to properly mic an amp is not easy.
Guitars, amps sims, interfaces, boxes, pick ups, strings and so on. Remember one thing and one thing only: a bad song its a bad song
It's easy to say "make sure you get a good _____"... but for example, how would someone know what a good impulse response is vs a bad one? What's a good DI box? Are there bad ones? You're trying to answer these questions and I appreciate it. But in many ways it leaves people with more questions than it really answers.
Hi friend
All this takes a long time, to be able to grasp the idea and to have every detail 100% clear, there are many variables at stake. So the answer will never be as simple as: "USE THIS AND YOU WILL HAVE THE SOUND YOU WANT."
It is trial and error, but I will try to clarify some things that I learned in more than 4 years of learning everything related to production and mixing.
1) A good guitar DI, is that we can track the most faithful signal possible, without annoying noises, or significant losses of the full spectrum of the guitar. For this it is essential, fresh strings, tight playing, guitar with good pickups, and perfectly adjusted.
2) a good interface that allows you to do a good job, the funny thing is that after trying different brands, the final best quality was obtained from a line 6 Pod X3 Live. That used costs around 150 or 200 USD.
3) A good IR is difficult to explain because it largely depends on the guitarist's taste, whether he wants a scooped or middy tone, boomy, Dry, Oversaturated etc.
You can listen to your favorite groups, and thus realize what type of tone is what you like, see what pickups they use, which amp, Tuning, strings gauge ETC.
the quality of the cable you use makes a lot of difference actually. also what helps to get a good DI signal is making sure the impedance of you DI or interface input matches the guitar. none active guitars need 1M Ohm input impedance for example. otherwise your signal will loose presence. not as much as using a cheap cable but it is noticable
I ALWAYS prefer sims over a live rig only because you aren’t stuck with the tone after recording and it leaves so much more room in “post”!
Luke Yntema what kind of setup do you use? I’m trying to set my stuff up and it seems like it’s not working well. I go from my guitar to DI box (Radial JDI), XLR from radial to xlr interface (Scarlett 2i2), interface to DAW as well as “thru” from Radial to my input on my amp. My amp sound is so soft even at volume 4 or 5. It’s a 120W amp and that’s usually loud af. Am I doing something wrong? Connecting something wrong? Should the settings in my DAW be something specific?
That's right man , always go for what sounds better and for what's appropriate for the mix, good stuff btw.
Thanks!
That DI sounded super crisp and nice. I have a Focusrite Scarlett and it sucks. Very dark and muffled even with a great guitar, good setup, new strings, etc. I bought a Countryman Type 85 and while it does make a difference, the crisp high end is still not there. Just ordered two new interfaces just to test if the Focusrite Scarlett sucks as much as I think or I just have a faulty unit.
Focusrite is crap,Like most interface in that price range.
Surprisingly, the best quality I get from a line 6 Pod X3 Live. It is best for optimum quality guitar tracking DIs.
1 Mohm impedance, excellent headroom without any clipping even with EMG I have a signal of -12db with the transients intact. Super quiet 0% noise, tigh low end, crisp muds and smooth high end AND THE LIST CONTINUES.
Best of all it only costs 150 USD or by far 200 USD so it's no brainer
So how did it go? Did you get a New one?
@@-Mardos Yeah, bought an Audient ID44 audio interface and it is night and day now. I absolutely love the Countryman and the Audient. A great DI is 80% of the tone (it really is).
@@SYNDRONE thanks a lot for getting back. Going to sell my scarlet now
I think when people are "saying whats a good di?" they probably means what the optimum signal level that they should be aiming for
this is exactly what i came here to try and learn
@@shreddedvegetable Me too. Still searching for the answer
If you guys are still looking for am answer, pretty much as high as possible without clipping when your really digging in. But anything above -16 db is good. This is info from john brown of monuments.
@@JXCKIXCHXN Hm personally I aim for around -18db give or take. Definitely no peaks over -10db for me. I want lots of headroom, because I also save 5 or 6 db for potential mastering in the future. Any half decent interface should have a low enough noise floor where you won't get hiss raising your levels from -18db. I record at -18, limit to around -7, and leave the rest, cos maybe I'll master it someday which will eat up another 5 or 6 db. Also, the best part of recording low around -18, I heard a lot of VST plugins are designed to work best at around that range. I have notice certain VSTs are a LOT more responsive and cleaner sounding when the signal isn't too loud.
@@d-rockanomaly9243 After the amp sim aim for -18 db. but as far as straight up recorded di's before the amp sim go. get as loud as possible without clipping. At least for metal rhythm
Dude, just discovered your channel. Really helpful tutorials, keep it up! You got a new sub 😉 cheers from Italy!
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Am I really the only person working on a DAW that plugs directly into the line in jack on the motherboard? It's not ideal but I can't afford other options. It actually doesn't sound bad. Depending on the amp sim setting I sometimes get noise but the more I've used this setup the more I've learned to tweak it out. I just wish I could mix better..........Thanks for the lessons and tips!!
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Ha! I know the feeling.
Totally agree.
You never mentioned the converters though. Do better interfaces make enough difference when tacking and/or reamping Dis?
I think it's less important than haveing a clean, tight DI. Really high-end converters are kind of a point of diminishing return. You pay a lot of money for a little more quality (plus low latency tracking and HD systems and all of that).
If you're talking about the actual DI quality on interfaces, I would go with something like the Countryman Type 85 if you're looking for a higher quality external DI.
Hope that helps!
Thanks! At the moment I'm using a cheap ART active DI into focusrite 2i2. Ironically, I never used Dis for reamping, only for visual aid when editing and triggering a gate occasionally. So I'm not sure how usable are those for reamping lol.
Upgrading a DI box looks like a good option, thanks.
+Daniel Leonov: Upgrading DI box from stock DI input to RNDI is my smartest decision ever. The guitar, bass tone is improved a LOT! They sit in the mix very easily, no mud, just punch, pure signal!
YES absolutely converters make a difference!
Hey man really enjoying your videos! I got a question, is there a benefit to rendering down your DIs to a guitar tone other than saving processing power? or is it fine to keep your DIs dirty with an amp sim and then make adjustments to the bus they're routed to?
Technically it works any way you work it.
I like to render to save CPU and to segment out my workflow. If I find a tone I like, I use it and go forward so I don't have this huge chain where I'm changing stuff and it all goes downhill.
Hope that helps :)
What a stellar video & thanks for making & sharing this!!!! Peace! X-Mann
Ok, any suggestions for IR responses? I guess mine suck. My guitar always sounds extreme fuzzy and kind of high pitched
Honestly, I just use a bunch of free ones I found online. Generally the ones included in like BIAS are pretty good.
Check some on the Celestion site. Sound so tight.
Try grabbing the GodsCab IR. Free and sounds pretty nice imo
Hey man, you said that you use countryman as di box, but what for soundcard, cause i think your card got really nice preamp in it, your di signal got so much high freqs, thanks
Hey! So, I just use an inexpensive Scarlett interface for recording. A lot of that top end is coming from the DI. It's a small difference, though. The most important thing is having a tightly tracked guitar.
GREAT VIDÉO! So what is the di you use?
Great insight!
Liking the voiceover compression, aside everything else :)
Great Video man!!! I would love if you could cover how to set a real amp and a sim amp like Bias so it sounds agressive but doesn't cloud the voice XD Thanks!
I'll throw that on the list :)
What is your raw signal level for the DI? I know if it's too high it can create some noise while you do re-amping.
Farhad My Black Rose going into converters? I keep it around -8dB or so. It doesn't really matter for me. Typically if I'm sitting right before the yellow region of the meter in Pro Tools on peaks, I'm fine.
I wonder if there's software or an algorthym that will extract/extrapolate a dry guitar signal (DI) from "finished" tracks without a master to work from. Or maybe one that will do this but from an isolated guitar track from an old studio master etc.
I want to learn to start recording di guitars at home.is there a video?
i have the y, t issue all the time. love the channel. would you consider an in depth editing video and talk a bit about what constitutes a good take, or what is good enough?
james poggi would definitely be down with that! I'll work on a some basic editing videos.
Thank you sir! I'll be looking forward to that with a little Subscribe as a gift for your hard work!
Hello, thank you for your video. I see you use a focusrite. I just bought a focusrite scarlett solo 2nd gen and i am having the exact same crappy tone i had with a previous cheap guitar link i bought from ebay for 10 bux. The guitar is the same old cheap guitar with noise and stock pick ups. However it is not a complete junk guitar and i expected a slight improvement of my tone. Overall i think that the sound stayed the same. I mean plugins for drums and bass. I dont use mics, dont sing or record cabs or acoustic guitars so i mainly wanted the direct electric guitar signal to be as good as possible. Instead i got nearly no difference at all and on top i keep getting noise but that is probably the guitar's problem, somewhere there is bad ground. I am disappointed. I am not using a DI box. Do you have any recomendations to fully utilize the soundcard or should look i change it for a more expensive one like the 2i2? thanks!
ok, I have a question, I have a USB going from my LINE 6 FIREHAWK 1500 to the PC and my Presonus DAW. I get some very clean and good tones, however, would a Digital Interface between my amp USB connection to the PC really make that much of a difference?
considering the amp sim re-amp: how exactly would you do that (CPU problems)? are you going to put an amp sim insert over the DI tracks, and just let it sit there (uses a lot of CPU)?
Hello ,I have Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 2nd gen but I can't get great tones out of it .I have seen many videos where with even cheaper interfaces guitars sounded good ,wide and in your face ,but mine sounds bad. I'm using Bias Fx. Any tips? Thanks.
Cut down on the gain if possible and track tightly.
Maros, I had the Focusrite 18i8 and the same problem at first. I'd look at your gain staging, even if you aren't clipping on the daw meter it's easy to overload your ad converter which makes the signal sound like crap. Put that crappy overloaded di signal into the sim it will sound like crap. Look at what type of files you record in too. Don't go for smaller compressed files just because they save space. I decided to go "flac" and all the dark eq problems I had with my recordings went away. The smaller compressed file types are like having a low pass filter on the music. Remove the blanket
@@Hello-pl2qe I' m facing same issues with focusrite saffire pro 24 and bias amp2. Not only in recording but a single strum or a single power chord sounds awful compared to any demo i watched. Could a DI box solved the problem. I will appreciate your help. Thanks Panagiotis
@@Jake875801 same issues, what exactly do you mean. Thanks
Panagiotis don't take any word of mine for fact because I'm far from pro but I'm guessing your interface came with that mix control software. Your interface, I'm guessing should have two Jack's prob. 1 and 2 that you can plug the guitar in but then you have to go to the software and make sure you switch to instrument or whatever they label it. It changes the input impedance to handle the guitar signal. No need for di box in those inputs. Id recommend reading the manual, can get it on Focusrites website. I have the Scarlett so I can't say for sure it's the same but that's my guess.
what preamp, cable are these? not even de di of my axe fx 2 sound that clear, even with emgs!
Thanks for these videos! I got a question: In your experience, how long do new strings last before they start to become dull sounding? Or in other words, how often do you recommend changing your strings when recording if you record everyday?
Once a day, minimum. Sometimes, I do it in the middle of the session. Just compare the DI from when you first started recording and see if there's a decline.
Our bass player used to change his strings once a year... whether they needed to be or not. There is something really nice sounding about played in strings too
I don't know if its my setup or whatever but it seems like im always cutting 2500hz like -17 db and it cleans it right up but then in the mix it sucks but those fuzzy artifacts go away I'm so lost im not even touching guitar eq anymore until the rest of the mix is tight
I've just bought a Behringer Ultra DI 100. I made some tests, using a Jackson JS22-7, a Jackson SL 2h and a Samick KR660. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any difference between with or without the DI box. Am I doing anything wrong?
I imagine that today you already have everything clear, if not, you can tell me that you do not understand and I will gladly help you
@@butcher_0392 actually I made some tests. Sold it. Thanks anyway. ruclips.net/video/m69UII9fTUQ/видео.html
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OK, Bro no problem
How’s pro tools on your windows 10 pc? Is it stable?
Eh, sometimes.
good video man
Killing joke better be a reference to the comic lol
MetalDad87 glad to know someone other than me got that :)
It could also be the band who formed before the comic came out.
Okay, I dont think a lot of people understand your routing, what sends are, and etc. If anybody could clarify this and how to set up a decent mix bus that would be awesome.
I imagine that today you already have everything clear, if not, you can tell me that you do not understand and I will gladly help you
Whats that song on the intro? So brutal
I'm running a custom Carvin with bareknuckles but for the love of god, my DI's sound NOTHING like this. It sounds like a gawdamn BASS and its so muddy. Running a Focusrite ISA One WITH the AD card.... I don't understand.
do use a direct box into the interface?
RavenMadd9 yes
Mixing with Metal can you explain your setip?
If u have a buffer before the d.I box, the tone is a lot better.....so a crappy ds1 disengaged boss pedal actually helps tone.....and there a wonderful free ampsims out there.....and buy ownhammer impulses and ur good to go....great vid
I'll try the ownhammer, thanks :)
9:30: You forgot to post a link to the video in the description. :( Great content anyways!
Thumbs Up A+
Hey thanks!
Misleading title.
Yeah, you right.
My guitar di tracks have too much bass in it, any idea why?
CarnivorousRoach either your pickups or the di box, or maybe you're just overthinking it and they're fine, after all the tone of a di is pretty much the tone of a di, not too much variation
High pass filter hommie
Probably the guitar itself, I'd say. Try a different one and see if anything changes!
do you duplicate the track then pan left and right?
Jade S no, no. You should record two separate tracks. 🙂
@@Jake875801 Sometimes two separate tracks is good. Definitely a wider, richer stereo quality. But in a complex mix with lots of live sounds, I find a duplicated guitar track, maybe slightly offset by a few MS a better option that doesn't eat up as much of the field.
It took long enough to get to a pointless conclusion. What's the "secret"?
Using new strings, apparently... it's the only real piece of advice besides "track good" and "use a nice preset"
Why are all these videos about amp sims displaying extremely overdriven metal guitar sounds?! Like show me how to get a mighty thick clean sound from an DI guitar and then i'm impressed.
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Why would you record a guitar coming from an amp with a clean tone then pomp it back through the same amp now using its distortion? playing a Metal rythym with a clean tone will be played differently than feeling the response and power of the distortion. I dont get it? Sounds like a waste of time. Youre playing with less confidence that you have a heavy sound and what about parts where your waiting for some overtones or feedback that simply isnt there????
Your interface matters more then you think.Do your self a favor save up enough money to get something decent...you wont regret it.
If youre a crappy player you will get crappy sound no matter what amp or plugin you use. There are no shortcuts here.
Three minutes in and you still have not approached the point of the title of the video
im getting alot of noise once i add distortion through the amp sim, i have emg s 81 and 85 on an ltd-1000. why? its a 1500$ guitar ....
Add a noise gate
So I got an Ad before this video, it was about 2 hungry children and a man not wanting to give them money to eat... And I thought jeah ok this is real. But then I saw the title and it was supposed to be funny smh... And now I'm like well... If this is family friendly advertising I am going to fucking PORNHUB TO UPLOAD MY SHIT.
D.I sounds like D.I to me😂
Misleading title, no red line in the presented content and the end result sounds like a generic high-gain ampsim tone. No secret needed to achieve anything similar. Oh, and maybe think about showing the guitar sound in combination with the rest of the instruments. That’s what mixing is all about. Disappointing video, I’m sorry.
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Too convoluted and you keep losing track of where you are. You are not very good at this and I'd give up if I were you. 12 mins plus is more than any mortal can handle of your disjointed crap. Sorry if this offends you but it's the truth.