I hate how if you chose to let Alfred leave its like a fight, I wish there was a smother ending to that conversation, maybe like a love you goodbye from Bruce, and maybe a scene where Bruce takes Alfred to the airport or something. I don't know, still loved the game tho.
Never was, Batman is easily one of my favorite fictional characters of all time but it was still straight forward, Alfred is the GOAT and I could never give him up, never.
@@Midnight_WeskerAlfred is the goat yes, but until this point there is not Robin, Batman job is not finished, he will never back down if the job is not done
Same way as the Vigilante Joker path. Batman created that version of Joker and empowered him. Another strong reason why giving up Batman felt right for me.
So, his argument is that Batman creates the very people he fights against. But literally everyone in this game aside from Joker and Tiffany were already criminals before they even met Bruce, usually because of his father. Even then, Joker was already involved with Harley and Tiffany jumped on the murder train REALLY fast.
Let's be honest, Gotham did this to it's self, before Batman came along Gotham's entire government (or most of it) was corrupted. The city itself had attracted these criminals. If Batman didn't come along, someone much worse and more dangerous (like The Punisher or Red hood) would have stepped in.
The only two that Bruce was involved in their turn into villainy were Joker and Harvey, and even then it wasn't entirely his fault. Both of them were powder kegs and it was a matter of time before they blew up.
As much as it crushes feelings, the best option is staying Batman, we have seen what happens to the world when Batman no longer exists. And it is always worse then it is with him
Alternate openings: Alfred returns after a Haitus, Something sufficiently terrible happens that Bruce has no choice but to assume the mantle once more.
Nightlock Alfred is wrong in this and he’s acting like a bitch. I easily let him go since he wanted to leave anyways. You can’t beg a grown man to stay by your side. He couldn’t call Bruce family and walk out like that.
@@Bbknuckles dude calm down, he decided to leave because he became worried about Bruce dying, sure you could argue that he's wrong but he's not a bicth
mr voice still a bitch move IMO. walking out of his life and never having contact is just like the person dying. In that moment Bruce was dead to him. Either way it sucks because we’ll never know where the story was going 😫😩😭 unless another studio takes over.
@@Bbknuckles telltale was bought by another studio and they confirmed that there will be a season 3 for these series, we just have to wait for it to come out haha
Is Alfred serious?! After everything they've been through he thinks Bruse is turning into father? Bruce is nothing like him! He kills and Bruce doesn't, Alfred is just being paranoid, besides it's not his fault villains are in town, they all choose be evil, Bruce just tries his best to keep them all from harming people, and he can't always save everyone! Besides Afred can't expect criminals to be the same forever, there was gonna be villains at some point who'd wear a costume and use materials to fight back like Batman uses!
@Fodimus Prime In case you didn't play the game. Bruce had nothing to with Lady Arkham at the start, she attacked him first, foolishly blaming him when its truly Thomas Wayne's fault, she would've attacked him anyway even if he wasn't Batman. Same goes for Penguin, he was gonna attack and become a supervillain too himself anyway if Batman wasn't around. Even if Batman did save Catwoman first he tried to save Harvey too, secondly it was truly Penguins fault for burning Harvey's face and another thing Harvey choose the path to be evil all by himself even if Batman did save him! And even when you tried to be nice to Joker about turning him in, it means Bruce was trying to help him ven if he didn't like it, and Joker choose to be evil and kill those people all by himself, Bruce isn't to blame for that (the only way I'd trylly be Bruce's fault for turning joker evil is that he tells him they not friends anymore, not the deaths though, that's still on Joker) Everyone died because of all these villains who clearly dumb enough to choose to be evil all by themselves, the only thing Batman is the blame is ruinning their plans at the end (and if you tell joker you're never friends with him in episode 4) And Alfred is wrong, Bruce will never get murdered as long as he has allies behind his back who trust each other. Something Thomas, Falcone and Hill didn't have. And Lucius's death was just dumb luck for Riddler.
He doesn't think he is turning into his father but like he says in a dialogue option you can take "Can't you see? You and your father's paths may diverge, but they end in the same place... Face down in an alley, shot in the dark by criminals. I won't witness to that. I won't bury you too". He leaves for the same reason as the Alfred in The Dark Knight Rises.
@Vaiser 185 Lady Arkham, Penguin and two face exist cause of Bruce Wayne Half the reason Joker turns insane is cause of Bruce wayne Alfred is DEAD WRONG. lol Bruce wayne is bigger danger to himself then Batman is in this universe of batman. Lady Arkham and Penguin have NOTHING to do with Batman in this story...They were already created long before batman existed. They had revenge set on the wayne name only. Batman was an Inteference for them hence PROVING alfred wrong that Batman IS 100% NEEDED. Two Face was also created mostly cause of Bruce. think of cheating with Selina. His whole crusade against him in episode 4 attacking his manor. None of that had anything to do with Batman. Now the Joker vigilante path is closest thing to Batman influencing someone. And even There you can still argue that it's mostly Bruce waynes influence too. So what is Alfred point in all of this? Bruce Wayne Will ALWAYS have enemies. Whats stopping criminals from killing him in an Alley as Bruce wayne.
When Alfred mentions that Batman is responsible for creating the villains he fights, I immediately called bullshit. It's like that trial episode from the animated series says, the gimmicks may have been different but the villains still would have been villains all on their own. Because the truth is, it's the villains who created the batman
@@hsd287 Um... no? Batman stopped a bad situation getting even worse. And trust me, most of the times, the villains were planning to do much much worse if Batman hadn't stopped their plans. Because as bad as the result may seem, just imagine if he didn't get involved. What? You think the villains were going to tiptoe around civilians to prevent casualties if Batman hadn't gotten involved? They're called villains for a reason.
@@rojaedavis8367 just beat the first game again. Main two villians vicky and cobblepot. In telltale story doesn't matter they were gonna do much much worse if they had their way. Cobblepot/penguin was a maybe if he found out who batman was, I doubt it. Though Vicky with even revealing yourself was so determined on killing bruce for the sins of the father. Batman may have inspired more criminals to act, but all the root causes came from years of abuse his father, hill, and falcone did. Harvey you can at least prevent his turn to two face but the damage before the events of the game is what drove harvey to become two face after his demons came out.
I picked Batman. But I noticed that some RUclipsrs, when they choose Batman it says ‘Alfred is no longer apart of you story’. It didn’t say that to me. So maybe that means Alfred will come back?
The Wolf Among Us was picked up for a season 2 so there’s a small chance this will come back, hopefully they will because this was telltale at their best
One of the surest way for Alfred to return is for the Justice Leauge to exist in this game. Wasn't that a thing in the cartoon? How Bruce became more hopeful and determined when Superman showed him there was a better way that didn't involve scaring criminals like Batman often did?
Telltale changed almost everything from origins and dynamics but one thing I can’t forgive is how they wrote Alfred. He would never just abandon Bruce like that giving the ultimatum that toxic Exs do
Yeah he has been with Bruce since he was a kid , he's basically his stepdad at this point and there's no way he'd leave Bruce alone knowing that there are people looking around to kill him . Also I read this webcomic that has a pretty decent story on the batman, it's called the batman rise and fall on tapas so far there are only 10 and it takes a while to update, the art isn't all that great but its not that bad so if you have time I suggest you read it and tell me what you think of it
@@masonplays53 I disagree while I don't agree with the outcome of the story they have clearly been planning it since S1 when they made the Wayne's a crime family and had Alfred stay
I remember from the final episode of the Warner bros justice league unlimited Amanda Waller actually tried to recreate Batman but was unsuccessful in her attempts until by sheer fate her plan ended up working. When Terry went to interrogate Waller she explains her reason was as quote “The world needs Batman”.
You do know he's joking right? Would you give up your only family/friend for the greater good? Alfred is important to Bruce, and he does say some truth in that Batman has created these villains.
@@collinisrollininhisgrave7897 Wow dude, take a chill pill. I didn't say he created everyone, but has does his damage as well. It's not always a win-win. There's a cost. But sure, have a good old giggle. Meanwhile, I laugh at you replying to an old comment.
@@DarkBandicoot He debatably created one villain and that was joker, everyone else created him when they chose to be downright evil and dumb for no reason except “I got cheated on and burned on the face”
@@DarkBandicoot The only one he "created" was the Joker, and even he was already with Harley before he got to Bruce, besides having mental problems, everyone else decided to do bad things on their own. All they did was do bad things to the city and kill people, justifying their actions in Thomas Wayne, they caused more harm to the city than Thomas Wayne ever did, ironically if there is a level system in hell they will end up in a worse place than Thomas.
With the Vigilante joker path and Friendship path, I think its better to give up Alfred. He has spent half of his life being a butler and supporter for the waynes, He need his vacation + Waller left gotham and Gordon is still getting his job back or probably got it and need's the bat's help
I said just leave because I didn't want to make it sound like I was fighting Alfred. I wanted him to go- he was old, traumatized, and needed a doctors visit and vacation. Apparently that translated into me not caring and ended up with Alfred being estranged. What the fuck?? Felt like a piece of shit so i come here to pretend that didnt happen.
Why was it so vague about what the outcomes of the choices were I unintentionally told Alfred to leave and I didn't get the final choice between Batman and Alfred and I feel genuine guilt because I would have picked giving up Batman instantly if I realised what the choices meant
Exact same thing happened to me. I immediately got back to the menu when I realized what i had done but it was too late, the game had already autosaved. I am so pissed off...
In the end of it the choice don't matter cuz well 1st RIP TELLTALE. and 2nd If you chose to give up Batman eventually what would happen in S3 if it did take place was that some crazy thing would happen in Gotham which forced Batman to come back to save the city again and by that time Alfred will have gotten past the grief and realized he's being selfish by not letting Bruce save the city. If you choose to stay as Batman they'll prolly have Alfred eventually come back bcuz he'll end up missing Bruce cuz Bruce is basically his son.
Hardest decision for sure. I chose to give up Batman. Couldn't bear to see Bruce go through losing his family all over again. He can after all still save lives through other methods, without sacrificing/losing any chance of a well earned happy life after everything he's done.
Alfred has a point about Batman creating the evil he means to destroy. He was indirectly responsible for Harvey Dent's disfigurement, which accelerated his descent into madness. Bruce is indirectly responsible for Lucius's death and Riddler's assassination. Penguin, Lady Arkham, and especially Vigilante Joker were inspired by Batman's crusade. On the other hand, Penguin and Lady Arkham would have succeeded had Batman not been there to stop them because their main motivation was the cabal of Thomas Wayne, Falcone, and Mayor Hill. Dent would have been attacked and drugged regardless of Batman's presence or lack thereof. By Alfred's own admission, Riddler was a crime lord before Bruce took his first breath of air. Mr. Freeze, Harley Quinn, and Bane's criminal origins have nothing to do with Bruce or Batman, and Joker would have still ended up joining their pact. With this in mind, even though it means giving up Alfred, I think the best option overall is to give up Alfred. Ultimately, the lesson that can be drawn are: play nice with others and don't get too comfortable. The feds are supposed to work with local law enforcement, but Waller decided to supersede Jim Gordon's authority at every turn. Had she told him and Batman that The Pact's goal was to acquire that virus then they would have been significantly more willing to work with her and wouldn't be far less likely to suspect some ulterior end goal. Bruce and Alfred check the puzzle box for obvious death traps (explosives, poisons, etc.). If Bruce had just asked Lucius to check the box at the Batcave after work, or if he insisted that they check it in the lab, then Lucius wouldn't have died. Still, if Batman had checked surveillance the day after Riddler's death then he could confronted Tiffany much earlier. It's a shame that both options would have little merit in the cancelled Season 3 because they both would have been handwaved with a line or two of dialogue. The smart thing to do would be to have specific scenes address these outcomes, really make the player believe that no matter what, Bruce must don the cowl and cape, and use Alfred and Tiffany as a secret difficulty setting: ⚫Alfred + Tiffany = Easy ⚫Alfred/Tiffany = Normal ⚫No Alfred or Tiffany = Hard
- Oz was already a well-known criminal for years when the story started. Thomas was the one who killed his parents and sent him on that path. - Vicki was cooking plans to kill the elite ever since she was a kid. Thomas murdering her parents and the Vales' abuse were responsible for breaking her. - While Bruce had a hand in it, Harvey was always doomed to lose himself to his madness. The COA drugged and disfigured him and his inner demons turned him into Two-Face. - Tiffany would have killed Riddler even without Batman being around. She admits that she wanted to avenge Lucius' death even if she doesn't know Bruce is Batman. - Joker is the exception because of how Bruce influences him, but just like Harvey, he already had a violent temper and was mentally unstable from the start. It was just a matter of time.
Lucius Fox would not have been dead if Agents Avesta and Blake hadn’t interrogated Bruce in his office, which means Bruce would’ve been down there to save Lucius Fox.
Ugh this was a fantastic game but this choice just annoyed me. I felt emotionally manipulated, ngl. For one thing, my playthrough of Batman was hesitant about using John the whole time. Alfred was the one that encouraged it. Same thing re: Tiffany helping out and eventually joining in. Same thing with half the shit he later tried to blame Batman/Bruce for! For another, that bs about Batman being like Thomas Wayne was just low. And honestly the whole damn game he was just being such a whiny ass. If he wasn't whining about his health he was whining about what Batman was doing (half of which he'd encouraged in the previous scene). I mean ffs, Batman's out there trying to save the city while everyone turns against him, and then he's gotta go home and coddle his own butler? GTFO. Honestly I think Telltale was just trying to replicate the emotional charge of The Dark Knight Rises' ending, where Batman "sacrifices" himself and then Bruce retires to Italy w/ Selina. The thing is that ending felt right. It felt *earned.* He'd been through so much already -- started out the movie already half-crippled with old injuries, and then got literally broken in half and thrown into a pit. He barely managed to survive, crawl out, rebuild himself body & soul ... and then still came back to save his city one last time. Meanwhile our Batman in Telltale hasn't even peaked yet. He's still pretty new to the gig. S1, you get the sense he's only started being Batman because the citizens still didn't know what to make of him. S2 is repeatedly stated to be just 1 year later. Plus he'd just taken on a protege, made a new ally of Waller (in my playthrough anyway), reestablished bonds with Gordon, and clinched a romance/partnership with Selina Kyle (who he got released in my playthrough). I mean ffs, dude was on top. There's no sense that he'd already given everything he had to give. For TT to try to force that kind of ending didn't feel like closure or completion; it just felt like a cheap knockoff. It kinda pissed me off and soured me on the whole relationship with Alfred.
me too thats why I chose to give up Alfred he tells us to do one thing then tells us not to, not to mention its too early to give up Batman, its just S2, if i had this choice in season 4 or atleast 3 I wouldve given up batman, not to mention this alfred has been lying to Bruce for years enabling him to be Batman.
@@geralt7050 I hate the Batman universe precisely because of this, if you are consistent and rational everyone hates you. Alfred is always lying to Bruce, but if you do anything about him, you are being cruel. How dare you do this to Batman's father figure? Catwoman is always cheating on Bruce, but everyone comes at you like a lion if you give Selina the ending she deserves. LOL. She cheats on Bruce, when Gordon goes after her, she gets mad at you if you don't warn her. Alfred not only lets her go to the mansion, but he gets mad at you, and says that the house is his too, if you don't invite Selina to the Batcave, she freaks out and attacks you, and Alfred gets even more mad at you, and acts like you're in the wrong.
Being Bruce Wayne is actually more dangerous to himself and the people around him then being Batman in this universe of the story. Alfred can't see that?.......If you really pay attention during both seasons literally almost all his problems and the villians he faced/created were cause of his Bruce Wayne Image and Family name This is the one story where batman actually didn't really create the villians and is even MORE needed then ever here.
He isn't really asking Bruce to give up Batman, he doesn't think Bruce will give up being Batman, and won't sit around to watch him get killed, which is why he already packed his bags to leave.
@@JosephMadder What I don't get is doesn't Alfred see that Bruce Wayne himself already has enemies? Most of the danger he faces in the game is always caused cause of Bruce. Not Batman lol Lady Arkah, Penguin Only exist cause of the Wayne Name. Alfred is delusional and fooling himself if he thinks Bruce is safer as just himself then Being Batman.
@@MistahJay7 yes but becoming Batman makes him even more vulnerable the enemies hate Bruce as well as Batman imagine if they realize they both are the same 😭😭😭
@@MistahJay7 batman would have been long dead without alfred...Don't delude yourself unlike the recent potryals batman is not god....He is flesh and blood...He barely survived bane and knowing gotham villians more stronger and powerful than wayne will def come around as bruce he can fund the GCPD and help gordon to be promoted to commisoner...He can also be an undercover similar to what happened this season ofc nobody can fill batman's role but without alfred batman will be nothing...Alfred raised him brought him up scarificed most of his life for bruce...I know alfred wont keep bruce being batman for long especially when he sees gotham's state without batman....He will def come around, he just needs a break...Alfred is his family and one of batman's code is to honur family....Also its nice to stray away from the canon a bit, its nice to test how it couldve been without the cowl...Its unique and interesting imo
I think Alfred made a lapse of judgement, I think he forgot about Selina. I mean Bruce is rehabilitating her from stealing (well depending on your choices). So I think Batman only create few of his enemies, some are rehabilitated. Not sure for John but depending if you visited him I think it counts?
I choose to gave up on Alfred cause the world needs batman and sooner or later he will go back to be batman cause when the villains are out they will try to reach him and kill him also the day Alfred choose to be Batman’s side check ( helper or whatever you would call him ) he knew there will be consequences and running from them will only make the problems worse Gotham and the whole world needs batman and Thats why I think it’s the best option . ❤️👍🏻
Looks like I’m the only one this choice was easy for, I kept being Batman... I like Alfred but if he wants to walk out I’m not stopping him. I’m a badass and I got lives to save
I always want to go with a lore accurate Batman in the story. Sure, it’s still his early years as the cape crusader, but he still plan three to four steps ahead of everything. So for this ending, I’m staying as Batman, because the city needs him to show people don’t have to live in fear of a city full of crime. Batman is a symbol that inspires hope to fight the injustice. I would try my best to be kind to Alfred and understand his side of things, but by the end of everything, Batman must endure, and answer the call to protect Gotham. Because after everything, he’s a watchful protector, a silent guardian… A Dark Knight…
I don't care what Alfred's reasons are, nothing excuses him of wanting to abandon Bruce after all they've been through together. Especially in this timeline where Bruce can't rely his parents for his moral compass.
I don’t understand. If you choose for Alfred to stay, what does he mean by “maybe just one more night”? One more night of what? If Bruce quits being Batman Alfred will stay one night? Alfred will be okay with Bruce being Batman for one more night. If Alfred means he’ll stay one more night if Bruce quits being Batman, then what’s the point of asking him to stay if he’ll leave the next day?
but you need alfred for help of course he was helping you along the season so there is no way you can give up alfred would you really give up your family?:(
@@yosifgamal3047if Alfred wants to take on vacation let him be that's his choice besides the only thing it matters to me is never give up on Batman which is the stupid decision
I did that as well. If there's ever Season 3, Batman will return either way. I chose Alfred with the expectation that he'd consent to Bruce eventually returning to the suit.
The most realistic option is choosing batman, in the batman comics bruce says it himself his true self is batman, his subconscious doesnt refer to him as bruce, it refers to him as Batman. Plus, these villains that showed up arent even his worst villains, there will be worse in the future, with superpowers and stuff. Gotham and the world will need Batman when they come not Bruce Wayne
I really didn’t like this ending that much mainly because when you choose batman over Alfred it’s just over and there’s not any “ I love you” moments or anything. I feel like it was kind of forced and Alfred would never abandon you or at least not without saying Goodbye or I love you or something like that
I choose to give up Batman "(lie)" for the night so Alfred won't leave 🙂 He's just a sensitive protective old man at his peak emotion at the time.. Later/tommorow he will come back like the usual Alfred... At least that's what I think in that split second decision 🤔
I like to imagine that what the game isn't trying to make it seem like it is just obsession, but rather Alfred just super anxious. The choice you make in this case, can be either let Batman be happy or let Batman help lives.
@@equinox6690 alr so I created Joker but in the end my relationship with Waller was good I cleared Selinas criminal record Avesta is coming to work for me sadly my boy Jim got shot in the knees twice they said he might have to use a cane for the rest of his life I ended off good with basically everybody in the story and oh yeah I took Tiffany under my wing but the final decision I chose to give up Batman hopefully if there’s ever a season 3 I wanna see where this choice take me I also ended off good with Selina
@@wallywestsolos9294 Nice man, I chose to not let John go full on joker and he was a vigilante on mine but I got the same outcome with being on good terms with everyone
What's I find sad if you choose to let Alfred go, are those few seconds of sad acceptance on his face before he leaves. It's like he knew the answer you'd choose but to hear you say it aloud still hurts him.
Alfred is so OOC. Coward. Pure manipulation here in its purest and worst form. So, you don't wanna watch your child die, so you leave? Let him die on his own? Nice. And literally Bruce will die faster on his own without Alfred. Alfred nurses him back to health, tends his injuries, helps with company. Chances something bad happens to Bruce without Alfred not doubled, but tripled, if not more. So good thinking, Alfred, let your child die. I mean, Bruce takes a lot, he could be an asshole. But this thing here is Alfred being egotistical and manipulative.
I think that picking to Give up Batman is the better choice, because 1, If Alfred was never around when Bruce was Batman, Bruce would have died multiple times throughout the series. And 2, I feel like Bruce would become the Arkham Batman, Badass, but practically emotionless. And his identity is bound to get revealed at some point. I feel like giving up Batman will give him a renewed sense of purpose. On my ending, I mentored Tiffany, Lover with Catwomen, (Set her Free), Friends with John, Partners with Gordon, Friends with Waller, and I kept Alfred. I feel like that's the best ending (at least I feel like), for Bruce. He still has the people around him, and has a new purpose in life. The worst ending for me is where you try to bring Tiffany to justice, Enemies with John, (Villain Joker and say "I wish we never met"). Enemies with Selena, Enemies with Waller, enemies with Gordon, and give up Alfred. He most likely will become badass, but practically emotionless, like Arkham night batman. So yeah, personally I think that giving up Batman is better.
Can we all just admit this scene is so heartfelt it’s Bruce making a decision whether to give up being a person who protects Gotham Vs The Person who’s like a father to him
I couldn't obstruct his choice so I chose to let him go without questionning him leaving, the best for him is to leave Gotham. There is no good ending for this. Choosing "then just leave" is the best choice to me. No fight, just goodbye.
@@hsd287 and risk the entire city getting eliminated? I hope you don’t go through a worse event than Bruce and say bullshit like this when you would be the only actual hero in your city
In season 1 when fighting lady Arkham you have a choice to either take off the cowl or not. If you don’t take off the cowl then I think Alfred gets his eye badly damaged while taking it off Bruce loses a part of his ear
I chose Alfred and gave up Batman because Bruce's quest was fueled by trauma of losing his parents and to ensure no other child suffers the same fate but losing his father for that crusade is pointless Batman exists to preserve his parents and but he becomes a reason Bruce loses his real parent hence Alfred is the right choice
I gave up Alfred. I love the old man, but without Batman, Gotham would become significantly worse. and its shown in several other stories where Gotham lost Batman. we also saw in this game crime went down drastically since Batman and the GCPD formed an official alliance. but with how efrective Batman is against crime, giving criminals something to fear, if that goes away, crime would sky rocket once more. probably even worse than before
Bruce Wayne is addicted to chaos. He is a lot like his father in the sense that everyone who gets involved gets hurt. Leaving Batman would be leaving his addiction. Most addictions (alchool, drugs) are used as a form of escapism from your true self, and Batman is an escapism from Bruce Wayne because he hasnt accepted himself, or forgiven himself for his father's crimes or the fact that no one cares about him except Alfred (Selina is a big if). I don't think he can just stop being batman because it is the only way he can think on using his dark energy. I have no doubts that if he wasn't Batman he would most likely follow the path of Cobblepot. Alfred knows this, because Bruce rarely talks about happiness or making people happy, all he does is going on this negative never-ending cycle of punishing criminals, he doesn't kill but he does brings a lot of suffering. He doesn't really care about others as you can see how he manipulates John Doe and creates the Joker. I feel bad for Alfred but leaving him is probably the best decision to make, so he can enjoy the rest of his life.
I always got the feeling Selina was a dialogue line away from stabbing me in the back when i told her she’s just a thief and a criminal she definitely proved me right joining waller like nothing I never really liked cat woman
@@MORGames117 Joining waller? Are you dumb or joking? She was collared and slave of the agencey. Tf game were you playing....Catwoman had My Batmans back in the end
Poor brucie boi, everyone,repeating everyone in name of teaching lesson,breaks the heart of Bruce,in this case,it was Alfred,in dark knight trilogy it was both Rachel and alfred,why,from an outsider point of view,whatever you think is right,but when thought by the side of Bruce, everything seems right,one of the saddest character ever let it be in game or a movie it is always bruce
Batman Telltale Season 3 Theory 1. New Villains: Court of Owls 2. The Court of Owls took Vicki Vale (Lady Arkham) from the catacombs and resurrected her into becoming a Talon 3. Joker will return to either help Bruce or fight against him. Joker will learn how his past life was connected to the Court of Owls' activities. 4. Thomas Wayne was the Court of Owls' leader. Mayor Hill and Carmine Falcone were both high ranking members within the Court. 5. Alfred was aware of Thomas Wayne's crimes. However, he did not know that Thomas was part of the Court of Owls. 6. Batman and Tiffany will make an uneasy alliance with the Joker, Penguin, and Vicki Vale to take down the Court of Owls. 7. Penguin will learn that his father defected and tried to fight the Court. However, Penguin's father was murdered by a Talon who made it look like a suicide.
The Batman I grew up to knew would make the right choice no matter what and in the incarnation I see no difference. The Batman is valiant and a sympathetic of necessary good
Giving up batman is a good choice yu know what I mean like...if there will be s3 then Bruce forcefully need to become batman again And please don't tell me that giving up batman is not a good choice cauz alfred is joking 😉😂
Alfred has a point about Batman creating the evil he wants gone. Joker who he created at Ace Chemicals Injustice Superman whom he wasn't there for when he lost everything. Penguin whom the Wayne family destroyed
I hate how if you chose to let Alfred leave its like a fight, I wish there was a smother ending to that conversation, maybe like a love you goodbye from Bruce, and maybe a scene where Bruce takes Alfred to the airport or something. I don't know, still loved the game tho.
I accidentally pressed this option and I regret everything...
I really wish Bruce didn't have to say goodbye to alfred at all
@Mung Seng Awng Zatau how are they a hater
Exactly
@Mung Seng Awng Zatau poo poo
This choice crushed my feelings.
I've been sitting here for 10 minutes deciding what to do 😪
SavagePotato04 Stay with Alfred. The city needs a hero. That hero can be Bruce Wayne. But Bruce needs Alfred.
@@tentrilliconlp7748 too late. 😞
SavagePotato04 Now I'm sad too (I chose the same thing and regret it)
@@tentrilliconlp7748 well, there's no Gotham without a batman.
If you really are someone who always loved Batman, then this is easily the most difficult question in the game.
I was pissed and hurt and I'm not the biggest batman fan but I loved Bruce and Alfred and I got upset
Never was, Batman is easily one of my favorite fictional characters of all time but it was still straight forward, Alfred is the GOAT and I could never give him up, never.
Truly. You understand why both Batman and Alfred are so important
Not true. There is no real choice. There is only one thing to do. Give up Batman.
@@Midnight_WeskerAlfred is the goat yes, but until this point there is not Robin, Batman job is not finished, he will never back down if the job is not done
In the Joker Villain path, a lot of people have lost faith in Batman, so there's more reason to give up Batman.
Actually the only one who has lost faith in him is Gordon in that path
Same way as the Vigilante Joker path. Batman created that version of Joker and empowered him. Another strong reason why giving up Batman felt right for me.
Well that depends on your choices in previous episodes.
But still it's just not a good enough reason to give up the protector of Bruce's city...
Everyone believed in batman except Alfred the most imortant person to give up on him in my ending.
So, his argument is that Batman creates the very people he fights against. But literally everyone in this game aside from Joker and Tiffany were already criminals before they even met Bruce, usually because of his father. Even then, Joker was already involved with Harley and Tiffany jumped on the murder train REALLY fast.
PREACH PREACH PREACH
Like wtf Alfred smoking. Bruce Wayne is the one in Danger. Not fucking Batman
Let's be honest, Gotham did this to it's self, before Batman came along Gotham's entire government (or most of it) was corrupted. The city itself had attracted these criminals. If Batman didn't come along, someone much worse and more dangerous (like The Punisher or Red hood) would have stepped in.
This is why the convo they had in the dark knight rises works more compared to this game.
We’ve also seen how dangerous Gotham is without Batman in this game.
The only two that Bruce was involved in their turn into villainy were Joker and Harvey, and even then it wasn't entirely his fault. Both of them were powder kegs and it was a matter of time before they blew up.
As much as it crushes feelings, the best option is staying Batman, we have seen what happens to the world when Batman no longer exists. And it is always worse then it is with him
Alternate openings: Alfred returns after a Haitus, Something sufficiently terrible happens that Bruce has no choice but to assume the mantle once more.
Nightlock Alfred is wrong in this and he’s acting like a bitch. I easily let him go since he wanted to leave anyways. You can’t beg a grown man to stay by your side. He couldn’t call Bruce family and walk out like that.
@@Bbknuckles dude calm down, he decided to leave because he became worried about Bruce dying, sure you could argue that he's wrong but he's not a bicth
mr voice still a bitch move IMO. walking out of his life and never having contact is just like the person dying. In that moment Bruce was dead to him. Either way it sucks because we’ll never know where the story was going 😫😩😭 unless another studio takes over.
@@Bbknuckles telltale was bought by another studio and they confirmed that there will be a season 3 for these series, we just have to wait for it to come out haha
Is Alfred serious?! After everything they've been through he thinks Bruse is turning into father? Bruce is nothing like him! He kills and Bruce doesn't, Alfred is just being paranoid, besides it's not his fault villains are in town, they all choose be evil, Bruce just tries his best to keep them all from harming people, and he can't always save everyone! Besides Afred can't expect criminals to be the same forever, there was gonna be villains at some point who'd wear a costume and use materials to fight back like Batman uses!
Skyfaller3D right. I found it weird he just changed at the end
I chose to be Batman, the thrill was just to much fun.
@Fodimus Prime In case you didn't play the game.
Bruce had nothing to with Lady Arkham at the start, she attacked him first, foolishly blaming him when its truly Thomas Wayne's fault, she would've attacked him anyway even if he wasn't Batman.
Same goes for Penguin, he was gonna attack and become a supervillain too himself anyway if Batman wasn't around.
Even if Batman did save Catwoman first he tried to save Harvey too, secondly it was truly Penguins fault for burning Harvey's face and another thing Harvey choose the path to be evil all by himself even if Batman did save him!
And even when you tried to be nice to Joker about turning him in, it means Bruce was trying to help him ven if he didn't like it, and Joker choose to be evil and kill those people all by himself, Bruce isn't to blame for that (the only way I'd trylly be Bruce's fault for turning joker evil is that he tells him they not friends anymore, not the deaths though, that's still on Joker)
Everyone died because of all these villains who clearly dumb enough to choose to be evil all by themselves, the only thing Batman is the blame is ruinning their plans at the end (and if you tell joker you're never friends with him in episode 4)
And Alfred is wrong, Bruce will never get murdered as long as he has allies behind his back who trust each other. Something Thomas, Falcone and Hill didn't have. And Lucius's death was just dumb luck for Riddler.
He doesn't think he is turning into his father but like he says in a dialogue option you can take "Can't you see? You and your father's paths may diverge, but they end in the same place... Face down in an alley, shot in the dark by criminals. I won't witness to that. I won't bury you too". He leaves for the same reason as the Alfred in The Dark Knight Rises.
@Vaiser 185 Lady Arkham, Penguin and two face exist cause of Bruce Wayne
Half the reason Joker turns insane is cause of Bruce wayne
Alfred is DEAD WRONG. lol Bruce wayne is bigger danger to himself then Batman is in this universe of batman. Lady Arkham and Penguin have NOTHING to do with Batman in this story...They were already created long before batman existed. They had revenge set on the wayne name only. Batman was an Inteference for them hence PROVING alfred wrong that Batman IS 100% NEEDED. Two Face was also created mostly cause of Bruce. think of cheating with Selina. His whole crusade against him in episode 4 attacking his manor. None of that had anything to do with Batman.
Now the Joker vigilante path is closest thing to Batman influencing someone. And even There you can still argue that it's mostly Bruce waynes influence too.
So what is Alfred point in all of this? Bruce Wayne Will ALWAYS have enemies. Whats stopping criminals from killing him in an Alley as Bruce wayne.
That choice left my mouth open wide and heart broken
When Alfred mentions that Batman is responsible for creating the villains he fights, I immediately called bullshit. It's like that trial episode from the animated series says, the gimmicks may have been different but the villains still would have been villains all on their own. Because the truth is, it's the villains who created the batman
Exactly, I don’t blame Bruce at all, the villains choose to be evil all on their own not matter how nice you try to be nice to them.
In the TaleTell universe batman didn't create ANY of his enemies. The only one he debately created was Joker and even then that's debatable
He didnt create them but he made it worse with his fighting his own turned against him
@@hsd287 Um... no? Batman stopped a bad situation getting even worse. And trust me, most of the times, the villains were planning to do much much worse if Batman hadn't stopped their plans. Because as bad as the result may seem, just imagine if he didn't get involved. What? You think the villains were going to tiptoe around civilians to prevent casualties if Batman hadn't gotten involved? They're called villains for a reason.
@@rojaedavis8367 just beat the first game again. Main two villians vicky and cobblepot. In telltale story doesn't matter they were gonna do much much worse if they had their way. Cobblepot/penguin was a maybe if he found out who batman was, I doubt it. Though Vicky with even revealing yourself was so determined on killing bruce for the sins of the father. Batman may have inspired more criminals to act, but all the root causes came from years of abuse his father, hill, and falcone did. Harvey you can at least prevent his turn to two face but the damage before the events of the game is what drove harvey to become two face after his demons came out.
I picked Batman. But I noticed that some RUclipsrs, when they choose Batman it says ‘Alfred is no longer apart of you story’. It didn’t say that to me. So maybe that means Alfred will come back?
If you choose Batman in the Villain ending, it will say 'Alfred is no longer apart of you story’.
sorry to say but due to telltales dead so he aint gonna be part of any story at all
cool but i prefer the telltale style of batman sad that they died
@@JohnLegmore Yeah, sad. I read online that both Telltale Batman games were not successful commercially.
The Wolf Among Us was picked up for a season 2 so there’s a small chance this will come back, hopefully they will because this was telltale at their best
7:02 alfred stays
8:05 Bruce stays batman
It's liteary a pick your piosan
@@haidydeschamps4097 work on your spelling dumbass
@@danielngo1998 don't be a dick bro
@@danielngo1998 didn't know a spelling mistake instantly makes someone a dumbass
6:48 I choose to give up Alfred
I think 🤔 if you make batman give up for a little bit maybe if the things goes down in gotham alfred will....
One of the surest way for Alfred to return is for the Justice Leauge to exist in this game. Wasn't that a thing in the cartoon? How Bruce became more hopeful and determined when Superman showed him there was a better way that didn't involve scaring criminals like Batman often did?
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Superman is a pussy bro, don't compare him to Batman lmao.
@@TRxh98 how
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Superman literally has demi-god tier powers. He just doesn't need tricks, he's already scary af
@@TRxh98 superman haters are so cringe
Telltale changed almost everything from origins and dynamics but one thing I can’t forgive is how they wrote Alfred. He would never just abandon Bruce like that giving the ultimatum that toxic Exs do
agreed. Alfred would never.
It was unforgivable
Ikkk it feels like they just wanted some like "very hard choice" and for that they just rushed the idea and didn't really think it's writing through
Yeah he has been with Bruce since he was a kid , he's basically his stepdad at this point and there's no way he'd leave Bruce alone knowing that there are people looking around to kill him .
Also I read this webcomic that has a pretty decent story on the batman, it's called the batman rise and fall on tapas so far there are only 10 and it takes a while to update, the art isn't all that great but its not that bad so if you have time I suggest you read it and tell me what you think of it
@@masonplays53 I disagree while I don't agree with the outcome of the story they have clearly been planning it since S1 when they made the Wayne's a crime family and had Alfred stay
I remember from the final episode of the Warner bros justice league unlimited Amanda Waller actually tried to recreate Batman but was unsuccessful in her attempts until by sheer fate her plan ended up working.
When Terry went to interrogate Waller she explains her reason was as quote
“The world needs Batman”.
Yesss I remember this too
The epilogue she was so calm and collected. She and Batman are both forces to be reckoned with
I love that episode man!
Would I give up being a superhero just for one more night with my best friend,father figure, hmm I’ll see
You do know he's joking right? Would you give up your only family/friend for the greater good? Alfred is important to Bruce, and he does say some truth in that Batman has created these villains.
@@collinisrollininhisgrave7897 Wow dude, take a chill pill. I didn't say he created everyone, but has does his damage as well. It's not always a win-win. There's a cost. But sure, have a good old giggle. Meanwhile, I laugh at you replying to an old comment.
@@DarkBandicoot He debatably created one villain and that was joker, everyone else created him when they chose to be downright evil and dumb for no reason except “I got cheated on and burned on the face”
@@DarkBandicoot The only one he "created" was the Joker, and even he was already with Harley before he got to Bruce, besides having mental problems, everyone else decided to do bad things on their own.
All they did was do bad things to the city and kill people, justifying their actions in Thomas Wayne, they caused more harm to the city than Thomas Wayne ever did, ironically if there is a level system in hell they will end up in a worse place than Thomas.
With the Vigilante joker path and Friendship path, I think its better to give up Alfred. He has spent half of his life being a butler and supporter for the waynes, He need his vacation + Waller left gotham and Gordon is still getting his job back or probably got it and need's the bat's help
Maybe but Gotham could also use a break from Batman so y not stay with him
I said just leave because I didn't want to make it sound like I was fighting Alfred. I wanted him to go- he was old, traumatized, and needed a doctors visit and vacation. Apparently that translated into me not caring and ended up with Alfred being estranged. What the fuck?? Felt like a piece of shit so i come here to pretend that didnt happen.
rookie 1978 Excatly! That is exactly what I thought
Exactly what happen to me lol
This is exactly me
I guess the 5% is just people like us
Obviously who abandons their father figure like that? And choose to fight against criminals alone?
Why was it so vague about what the outcomes of the choices were I unintentionally told Alfred to leave and I didn't get the final choice between Batman and Alfred and I feel genuine guilt because I would have picked giving up Batman instantly if I realised what the choices meant
That’s why I’m here
@@AmbientView3000 why don't you just replay the chapter
Exact same thing happened to me. I immediately got back to the menu when I realized what i had done but it was too late, the game had already autosaved. I am so pissed off...
This moment from the Telltale Series is reflected to that last argument between Bruce and Alfred in TDKR from Nolanverse.
In the end of it the choice don't matter cuz well 1st RIP TELLTALE. and 2nd If you chose to give up Batman eventually what would happen in S3 if it did take place was that some crazy thing would happen in Gotham which forced Batman to come back to save the city again and by that time Alfred will have gotten past the grief and realized he's being selfish by not letting Bruce save the city. If you choose to stay as Batman they'll prolly have Alfred eventually come back bcuz he'll end up missing Bruce cuz Bruce is basically his son.
I hate just how at the end we didn't see Batman and Catwoman for one last time
Girls: boys never make hard decisions
Boys:
7:57
im a girl too homie
Hardest decision for sure. I chose to give up Batman. Couldn't bear to see Bruce go through losing his family all over again. He can after all still save lives through other methods, without sacrificing/losing any chance of a well earned happy life after everything he's done.
Alfred has a point about Batman creating the evil he means to destroy. He was indirectly responsible for Harvey Dent's disfigurement, which accelerated his descent into madness. Bruce is indirectly responsible for Lucius's death and Riddler's assassination. Penguin, Lady Arkham, and especially Vigilante Joker were inspired by Batman's crusade.
On the other hand, Penguin and Lady Arkham would have succeeded had Batman not been there to stop them because their main motivation was the cabal of Thomas Wayne, Falcone, and Mayor Hill. Dent would have been attacked and drugged regardless of Batman's presence or lack thereof. By Alfred's own admission, Riddler was a crime lord before Bruce took his first breath of air. Mr. Freeze, Harley Quinn, and Bane's criminal origins have nothing to do with Bruce or Batman, and Joker would have still ended up joining their pact. With this in mind, even though it means giving up Alfred, I think the best option overall is to give up Alfred.
Ultimately, the lesson that can be drawn are: play nice with others and don't get too comfortable. The feds are supposed to work with local law enforcement, but Waller decided to supersede Jim Gordon's authority at every turn. Had she told him and Batman that The Pact's goal was to acquire that virus then they would have been significantly more willing to work with her and wouldn't be far less likely to suspect some ulterior end goal. Bruce and Alfred check the puzzle box for obvious death traps (explosives, poisons, etc.). If Bruce had just asked Lucius to check the box at the Batcave after work, or if he insisted that they check it in the lab, then Lucius wouldn't have died. Still, if Batman had checked surveillance the day after Riddler's death then he could confronted Tiffany much earlier.
It's a shame that both options would have little merit in the cancelled Season 3 because they both would have been handwaved with a line or two of dialogue. The smart thing to do would be to have specific scenes address these outcomes, really make the player believe that no matter what, Bruce must don the cowl and cape, and use Alfred and Tiffany as a secret difficulty setting:
⚫Alfred + Tiffany = Easy
⚫Alfred/Tiffany = Normal
⚫No Alfred or Tiffany = Hard
- Oz was already a well-known criminal for years when the story started. Thomas was the one who killed his parents and sent him on that path.
- Vicki was cooking plans to kill the elite ever since she was a kid. Thomas murdering her parents and the Vales' abuse were responsible for breaking her.
- While Bruce had a hand in it, Harvey was always doomed to lose himself to his madness. The COA drugged and disfigured him and his inner demons turned him into Two-Face.
- Tiffany would have killed Riddler even without Batman being around. She admits that she wanted to avenge Lucius' death even if she doesn't know Bruce is Batman.
- Joker is the exception because of how Bruce influences him, but just like Harvey, he already had a violent temper and was mentally unstable from the start. It was just a matter of time.
Lucius Fox would not have been dead if Agents Avesta and Blake hadn’t interrogated Bruce in his office, which means Bruce would’ve been down there to save Lucius Fox.
“The hardest choices requires the strongest wills”
~thanos
Who do i give up batman who protects Gotham or give up alfred the person who raised him and was his fatherly figure
Giving up on batman is basically giving up on Gordon and the whole entire city of Gotham or just give up one butler
But it’s alfred ☹️
Alfred isn’t Bruce butler, he is his father.
@@Poopybutt_2320 but he tried to abandon us cause we were trying to help this near hopelessly crime ridden city
@@Poopybutt_2320 a father should stand by his son and support him but just guide him
@@nameynamename3758 you don’t understand Alfred reasoning at all
Give up Gotham or give up the only good parent who’s been there for you in the darkest times since day one
Give up Gotham
Gotham obviously he can't survive without Alfred
Gotham's never done anything good for him.
Fk Gothan Alfred for life
Ugh this was a fantastic game but this choice just annoyed me. I felt emotionally manipulated, ngl. For one thing, my playthrough of Batman was hesitant about using John the whole time. Alfred was the one that encouraged it. Same thing re: Tiffany helping out and eventually joining in. Same thing with half the shit he later tried to blame Batman/Bruce for! For another, that bs about Batman being like Thomas Wayne was just low. And honestly the whole damn game he was just being such a whiny ass. If he wasn't whining about his health he was whining about what Batman was doing (half of which he'd encouraged in the previous scene). I mean ffs, Batman's out there trying to save the city while everyone turns against him, and then he's gotta go home and coddle his own butler? GTFO.
Honestly I think Telltale was just trying to replicate the emotional charge of The Dark Knight Rises' ending, where Batman "sacrifices" himself and then Bruce retires to Italy w/ Selina. The thing is that ending felt right. It felt *earned.* He'd been through so much already -- started out the movie already half-crippled with old injuries, and then got literally broken in half and thrown into a pit. He barely managed to survive, crawl out, rebuild himself body & soul ... and then still came back to save his city one last time. Meanwhile our Batman in Telltale hasn't even peaked yet. He's still pretty new to the gig. S1, you get the sense he's only started being Batman because the citizens still didn't know what to make of him. S2 is repeatedly stated to be just 1 year later. Plus he'd just taken on a protege, made a new ally of Waller (in my playthrough anyway), reestablished bonds with Gordon, and clinched a romance/partnership with Selina Kyle (who he got released in my playthrough). I mean ffs, dude was on top. There's no sense that he'd already given everything he had to give. For TT to try to force that kind of ending didn't feel like closure or completion; it just felt like a cheap knockoff. It kinda pissed me off and soured me on the whole relationship with Alfred.
me too thats why I chose to give up Alfred he tells us to do one thing then tells us not to, not to mention its too early to give up Batman, its just S2, if i had this choice in season 4 or atleast 3 I wouldve given up batman, not to mention this alfred has been lying to Bruce for years enabling him to be Batman.
@@geralt7050 I hate the Batman universe precisely because of this, if you are consistent and rational everyone hates you.
Alfred is always lying to Bruce, but if you do anything about him, you are being cruel. How dare you do this to Batman's father figure?
Catwoman is always cheating on Bruce, but everyone comes at you like a lion if you give Selina the ending she deserves.
LOL. She cheats on Bruce, when Gordon goes after her, she gets mad at you if you don't warn her. Alfred not only lets her go to the mansion, but he gets mad at you, and says that the house is his too, if you don't invite Selina to the Batcave, she freaks out and attacks you, and Alfred gets even more mad at you, and acts like you're in the wrong.
Personally, Batman didn't create the villians they all created themselves of who they are..
well if Alfred said just one night then that means Batman is gone for 1 night
*Big brain mode activated.*
I thought he meant that Alfred would stay for 1 more night
No, he can be Batman for one more night is what Alfred meant,
Wow so he traded one night for lifetime of no Batman? That's rough 😭
Being Bruce Wayne is actually more dangerous to himself and the people around him then being Batman in this universe of the story.
Alfred can't see that?.......If you really pay attention during both seasons literally almost all his problems and the villians he faced/created were cause of his Bruce Wayne Image and Family name
This is the one story where batman actually didn't really create the villians and is even MORE needed then ever here.
Alfred is saying that Bruce is a Mask and Batman and his crusuade is the one making these choice
I love Alfred but asking Bruce to give up Batman it's just a horrible thing all aroun staying as Batman can do more good than one Butler can
He isn't really asking Bruce to give up Batman, he doesn't think Bruce will give up being Batman, and won't sit around to watch him get killed, which is why he already packed his bags to leave.
@@JosephMadder What I don't get is doesn't Alfred see that Bruce Wayne himself already has enemies? Most of the danger he faces in the game is always caused cause of Bruce. Not Batman lol Lady Arkah, Penguin
Only exist cause of the Wayne Name. Alfred is delusional and fooling himself if he thinks Bruce is safer as just himself then Being Batman.
@@MistahJay7 yes but becoming Batman makes him even more vulnerable the enemies hate Bruce as well as Batman imagine if they realize they both are the same 😭😭😭
@@MistahJay7 batman would have been long dead without alfred...Don't delude yourself unlike the recent potryals batman is not god....He is flesh and blood...He barely survived bane and knowing gotham villians more stronger and powerful than wayne will def come around as bruce he can fund the GCPD and help gordon to be promoted to commisoner...He can also be an undercover similar to what happened this season ofc nobody can fill batman's role but without alfred batman will be nothing...Alfred raised him brought him up scarificed most of his life for bruce...I know alfred wont keep bruce being batman for long especially when he sees gotham's state without batman....He will def come around, he just needs a break...Alfred is his family and one of batman's code is to honur family....Also its nice to stray away from the canon a bit, its nice to test how it couldve been without the cowl...Its unique and interesting imo
I think Alfred made a lapse of judgement, I think he forgot about Selina. I mean Bruce is rehabilitating her from stealing (well depending on your choices). So I think Batman only create few of his enemies, some are rehabilitated. Not sure for John but depending if you visited him I think it counts?
I choose to gave up on Alfred cause the world needs batman and sooner or later he will go back to be batman cause when the villains are out they will try to reach him and kill him also the day Alfred choose to be Batman’s side check ( helper or whatever you would call him ) he knew there will be consequences and running from them will only make the problems worse Gotham and the whole world needs batman and Thats why I think it’s the best option . ❤️👍🏻
He had enough of it he knows Bruce would die one day
Looks like I’m the only one this choice was easy for, I kept being Batman... I like Alfred but if he wants to walk out I’m not stopping him. I’m a badass and I got lives to save
I chose Batman… And I don’t regret it
🦇
I always want to go with a lore accurate Batman in the story.
Sure, it’s still his early years as the cape crusader, but he still plan three to four steps ahead of everything.
So for this ending, I’m staying as Batman, because the city needs him to show people don’t have to live in fear of a city full of crime. Batman is a symbol that inspires hope to fight the injustice. I would try my best to be kind to Alfred and understand his side of things, but by the end of everything, Batman must endure, and answer the call to protect Gotham.
Because after everything, he’s a watchful protector, a silent guardian… A Dark Knight…
Basically what we got to do is buy wolf among us season 2 and order for season 3 of Batman telltale to happen
I don't care what Alfred's reasons are, nothing excuses him of wanting to abandon Bruce after all they've been through together. Especially in this timeline where Bruce can't rely his parents for his moral compass.
I don’t understand. If you choose for Alfred to stay, what does he mean by “maybe just one more night”? One more night of what? If Bruce quits being Batman Alfred will stay one night? Alfred will be okay with Bruce being Batman for one more night. If Alfred means he’ll stay one more night if Bruce quits being Batman, then what’s the point of asking him to stay if he’ll leave the next day?
Garbage opinion.
Never give up on Batman cuz Gotham will fall and there's no one who can stop villains
no theres robins lol
but you need alfred for help of course he was helping you along the season so there is no way you can give up alfred would you really give up your family?:(
@@el_tamez100 robin existed because of Batman
@@lamontjenkins6611 ik
@@yosifgamal3047if Alfred wants to take on vacation let him be that's his choice besides the only thing it matters to me is never give up on Batman which is the stupid decision
I chose to leave Batman behind but I also told Tiffany I would be her mentor so I really wanna see how it works out in season 3
🤣🤣 same
I choose Alfred but i think Bruce will return as Batman, when he sees a major threat, he will be back to his batcave.
I did that as well. If there's ever Season 3, Batman will return either way. I chose Alfred with the expectation that he'd consent to Bruce eventually returning to the suit.
Or maybe someone kills Alfred dark route I know but we don’t know why will happen
The most realistic option is choosing batman, in the batman comics bruce says it himself his true self is batman, his subconscious doesnt refer to him as bruce, it refers to him as Batman. Plus, these villains that showed up arent even his worst villains, there will be worse in the future, with superpowers and stuff. Gotham and the world will need Batman when they come not Bruce Wayne
Thanks for uploading this scene
I really didn’t like this ending that much mainly because when you choose batman over Alfred it’s just over and there’s not any “ I love you” moments or anything. I feel like it was kind of forced and Alfred would never abandon you or at least not without saying Goodbye or I love you or something like that
idk why but alfred's voice is so smooth and just makes me sleepy
If you made bad choices, and it hurt relationships, giving up Batman is the best way to go.
Alfred would never do this
true
I choose to give up Batman "(lie)" for the night so Alfred won't leave 🙂
He's just a sensitive protective old man at his peak emotion at the time..
Later/tommorow he will come back like the usual Alfred...
At least that's what I think in that split second decision 🤔
Nope he was serious about Bruce dying in the future
Sad that we will never get to see what becomes of this
I like to imagine that what the game isn't trying to make it seem like it is just obsession, but rather Alfred just super anxious.
The choice you make in this case, can be either let Batman be happy or let Batman help lives.
youre so right for this. thats how i thought about it my first playthrough and while it made my decision harder im glad i chose the one i did
Man, I hate this I’m a person who gets sad when there’s a really good game or film that I really like and then ends and BOI, I WANT SEASON 3 😭😭😭
Ik I’m late but some have been saying they’re gonna have s3 man I hope so I think I really got a good ending I think
Hopefully one day
@@wallywestsolos9294 what ending did you get
@@equinox6690 alr so I created Joker but in the end my relationship with Waller was good I cleared Selinas criminal record Avesta is coming to work for me sadly my boy Jim got shot in the knees twice they said he might have to use a cane for the rest of his life I ended off good with basically everybody in the story and oh yeah I took Tiffany under my wing but the final decision I chose to give up Batman hopefully if there’s ever a season 3 I wanna see where this choice take me I also ended off good with Selina
@@wallywestsolos9294 Nice man, I chose to not let John go full on joker and he was a vigilante on mine but I got the same outcome with being on good terms with everyone
We aint leaving family.
There is no Batman without Alfred
YESSS
Except there is seeing as he dies after years of Bruce’s training either way
WHERE'S ROBIN???
Poor Bruce it's such a difficult choice it's either his father or himself 😭❤
Id sadly have to let Afred go for his wellbeing besides Bruce isnt alone he has Selina, Tiffanny and Iman Avesta as Friends and companions
What's I find sad if you choose to let Alfred go, are those few seconds of sad acceptance on his face before he leaves. It's like he knew the answer you'd choose but to hear you say it aloud still hurts him.
Alfred is so OOC. Coward. Pure manipulation here in its purest and worst form. So, you don't wanna watch your child die, so you leave? Let him die on his own? Nice. And literally Bruce will die faster on his own without Alfred. Alfred nurses him back to health, tends his injuries, helps with company. Chances something bad happens to Bruce without Alfred not doubled, but tripled, if not more. So good thinking, Alfred, let your child die.
I mean, Bruce takes a lot, he could be an asshole. But this thing here is Alfred being egotistical and manipulative.
I think that picking to Give up Batman is the better choice, because 1, If Alfred was never around when Bruce was Batman, Bruce would have died multiple times throughout the series. And 2, I feel like Bruce would become the Arkham Batman, Badass, but practically emotionless. And his identity is bound to get revealed at some point. I feel like giving up Batman will give him a renewed sense of purpose. On my ending, I mentored Tiffany, Lover with Catwomen, (Set her Free), Friends with John, Partners with Gordon, Friends with Waller, and I kept Alfred. I feel like that's the best ending (at least I feel like), for Bruce. He still has the people around him, and has a new purpose in life. The worst ending for me is where you try to bring Tiffany to justice, Enemies with John, (Villain Joker and say "I wish we never met"). Enemies with Selena, Enemies with Waller, enemies with Gordon, and give up Alfred. He most likely will become badass, but practically emotionless, like Arkham night batman. So yeah, personally I think that giving up Batman is better.
I finished the game twice but i still keep forgetting this bit
Alfred truly is a coward
Can we all just admit this scene is so heartfelt it’s Bruce making a decision whether to give up being a person who protects Gotham Vs The Person who’s like a father to him
I didn't realise letting him leave didn't let me say goodbye so how I regret it
Best Father Channel EVER!!!
i just couldn’t bring myself to let alfred go
I couldn't obstruct his choice so I chose to let him go without questionning him leaving, the best for him is to leave Gotham. There is no good ending for this. Choosing "then just leave" is the best choice to me. No fight, just goodbye.
Does he get pissed when you choose that option? I just wondered
@@MORGames117 Well he's not pissed, but he is very surprised. He expects you to try and stop him from leaving.
@@gabgame300 he is, In the end it says Alfred feels estranged from you.
Nope the best choice is staying with him enough of playing the damn hero let someone else do it now
@@hsd287 and risk the entire city getting eliminated? I hope you don’t go through a worse event than Bruce and say bullshit like this when you would be the only actual hero in your city
Omg he had an eye patch! WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY ALFRED!?!
In season 1 when fighting lady Arkham you have a choice to either take off the cowl or not. If you don’t take off the cowl then I think Alfred gets his eye badly damaged while taking it off Bruce loses a part of his ear
I saved my ear that’s what I did 😈
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@@jluck1399 The only logical option.
Batman > Everything Else.
Bruce can’t ever give up being batman, dark knight returns and batman beyond and kingdom come proved that.
maaan this is either abandonment issues, abandonment issues or making Bruce salty af
I chose Alfred and gave up Batman because Bruce's quest was fueled by trauma of losing his parents and to ensure no other child suffers the same fate but losing his father for that crusade is pointless Batman exists to preserve his parents and but he becomes a reason Bruce loses his real parent hence Alfred is the right choice
I gave up Alfred. I love the old man, but without Batman, Gotham would become significantly worse. and its shown in several other stories where Gotham lost Batman. we also saw in this game crime went down drastically since Batman and the GCPD formed an official alliance. but with how efrective Batman is against crime, giving criminals something to fear, if that goes away, crime would sky rocket once more. probably even worse than before
I hate how they wrote Alfred in this one
Giving up batman its the right decision.
i choose Batman all day!!! you cant expect a man to be loyal to others if he cant be loyal to himself
I love this conversation it’s so deep.
Bruce Wayne is addicted to chaos. He is a lot like his father in the sense that everyone who gets involved gets hurt. Leaving Batman would be leaving his addiction. Most addictions (alchool, drugs) are used as a form of escapism from your true self, and Batman is an escapism from Bruce Wayne because he hasnt accepted himself, or forgiven himself for his father's crimes or the fact that no one cares about him except Alfred (Selina is a big if). I don't think he can just stop being batman because it is the only way he can think on using his dark energy. I have no doubts that if he wasn't Batman he would most likely follow the path of Cobblepot.
Alfred knows this, because Bruce rarely talks about happiness or making people happy, all he does is going on this negative never-ending cycle of punishing criminals, he doesn't kill but he does brings a lot of suffering. He doesn't really care about others as you can see how he manipulates John Doe and creates the Joker. I feel bad for Alfred but leaving him is probably the best decision to make, so he can enjoy the rest of his life.
I don't think so, look, the real enemy of batman is the script, doesn't matter what he do, EVER going wrong, Except for save the city, obviuosly
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I always got the feeling Selina was a dialogue line away from stabbing me in the back when i told her she’s just a thief and a criminal she definitely proved me right joining waller like nothing I never really liked cat woman
MOR Games Waller has the collar on her though
@@MORGames117 Joining waller? Are you dumb or joking?
She was collared and slave of the agencey. Tf game were you playing....Catwoman had My Batmans back in the end
Poor brucie boi, everyone,repeating everyone in name of teaching lesson,breaks the heart of Bruce,in this case,it was Alfred,in dark knight trilogy it was both Rachel and alfred,why,from an outsider point of view,whatever you think is right,but when thought by the side of Bruce, everything seems right,one of the saddest character ever let it be in game or a movie it is always bruce
To this day i still wonder why is Alfred is always royal to the wayne family??
I chose Alfred but it makes more narrative sense to choose Batman instead imo
Bs, Alfred would never leave Bruce and neither would Bruce ever give up being Batman
Alfred was basically the only thing Batman had for a father...I would have chosen to give up Batman.
I don't know what to fucking do! 😢
We NEED season 3
Batman Telltale Season 3 Theory
1. New Villains: Court of Owls
2. The Court of Owls took Vicki Vale (Lady Arkham) from the catacombs and resurrected her into becoming a Talon
3. Joker will return to either help Bruce or fight against him. Joker will learn how his past life was connected to the Court of Owls' activities.
4. Thomas Wayne was the Court of Owls' leader. Mayor Hill and Carmine Falcone were both high ranking members within the Court.
5. Alfred was aware of Thomas Wayne's crimes. However, he did not know that Thomas was part of the Court of Owls.
6. Batman and Tiffany will make an uneasy alliance with the Joker, Penguin, and Vicki Vale to take down the Court of Owls.
7. Penguin will learn that his father defected and tried to fight the Court. However, Penguin's father was murdered by a Talon who made it look like a suicide.
I cried when alfred left
I didn't know what to do
The Batman I grew up to knew would make the right choice no matter what and in the incarnation I see no difference. The Batman is valiant and a sympathetic of necessary good
Giving up batman is a good choice yu know what I mean like...if there will be s3 then Bruce forcefully need to become batman again
And please don't tell me that giving up batman is not a good choice cauz alfred is joking 😉😂
Daamn you know both choices are good to me.
Alfred has a point about Batman creating the evil he wants gone.
Joker who he created at Ace Chemicals
Injustice Superman whom he wasn't there for when he lost everything.
Penguin whom the Wayne family destroyed
I did a mistake and i don't want to go through this again just so i get get good with alfred
If Telltale never got shut down and still making the games (mainly this one): would Alfred eventually come back and continue helping Bruce?
If I had a choice between my morals, dreams, aspirations or family, I'd always chose family.
this one is hard, depends of each individual and their situation. everyone would pick differently
Only for your family to say they’ll stay for one more night only
@@jluck1399 He meant that Bruce can be Batman for one more night.
Alfred was a hypocritical coward. I will never forget his deception in the first game. What a shitty story this all was.
I hate ultimatums.
I don't want alfred to go though :(
I don't know finally what is better choice... I Enjoyed the game !
I chose to leave Alfred here because Batman seems to have permeated our body, now a part of us.
I pressed just leave by accident ahhh no
Remembering what happen to Batman without Alfred in dark Knight rises, i definitely choose give up batman.