War Thunder WITH the BIGGER MAPS, can we see the MiG-25 in the FUTURE of the game?
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- A quick talk about how with the bigger maps and the meta changing aircraft like the MiG-25 could come to the game!
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I cant wrap my head around the fact that this dude can climb that high without getting locked from everything on the opposite team AND actually get these long range kills...
@Lewis Bush bro he has to he the luckiest player in the game this strategy of climbing like that isn't a viable 100 percent strategy that will work every time he's gonna get spotted obviously but sometimes people are just lazy
I just got off a game in were I only got 2 kills, but it was in my 29 in BVR, literally using the tactics I learn from watching Growling Sidewinder chanel. Once I launched my fox 1 from 10.000Meters I cranked the airplane to the gimble limit of my radar and I got 2 F14's that also had launched on me. It felt so good it almost doesnt make sense. If this is the future of air RB, its going to be a fun one.
is it bad i dont care for bvr
@@sekutard5157 No, but it is where WT is heading, I mean the whole chist about the gen 4 and 5 planes is BVR
@@ale69420 yeah i mean warthunder has had dogfighting as the main fight for so long. so getting a whole new meta is fun. also same dcs RUclipsrs help.
@@ale69420 i cant wait til theres even better aircraft with even bigger maps, i am enjoying this so much I wouldn't mind 150 km maps. 45 minute matches? lets go. nah fr this is fun tho
@@ale69420 you’re right, won’t be for a little while though
Man, WT will get akward when proper hypersonic missiles come.
uhh the some of the fastest missiles made are already in the game they actually only get slower from here on out.
@@yujinhikita5611 The AIM-54 is the only kind-off hypersonic missile we have, but there are some that are faster still like the R-37.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 the R27ER is aswell hypersonic. Everything above mach 5 is hypersonic
@@janwucherer3628 Ah right, I forgot.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 The AIM-54 is a lot slower than DCS's AIM-54 and even then ive heard people say the DCS AIM-54 is still too slow
Proposal:
MiG-25P: rank VII premium, BR 11.7, interceptor airspawn(low altitude, directly above runway), 4x R-40R/T, or 2x R-40+4x R-60, RP-25 radar with no look down capability(120 km range, 50-70 km track range vs fighters), 60x countermeasures
MiG-25PD: BR 12.3, tech tree, rank VIII, interceptor airspawn, starts with 2x R-40T, can unlock 4x R-60/R-60M on outer hard points/additional R-40T/R-40R/RD/TD, Sapfir 25 pulse Doppler radar(same range and track range as RP-25), TP-26Sh IRST(25 km lock on at low altitude, 50 km+ at high altitude)
Reasoning: the MiG-25P may or may not end up carrying the R-60 in game, so it's better to make it a premium to be safe, however the MiG-25PD definitely carried the improved R-40 versions and the R-60M, so it wouldn't suffer too bad being a tech tree aircraft, in addition to having a look-down capable radar
Like what makes you think that any top tier fighter needs airspawn?
@@Morfeusz1895 the fact that the MiG-25 had an airframe of mostly steel and not great acceleration, so to get into intercept position it may need it.
On the other hand, the airspawn probably won't be needed until more strategic bombers are added, as the MiG-25 and Tornado F.3's intended targets
at first they should add Yak-28P, su-15 and supersonic bombers like b-58 hustler Tu-22 etc. Then should add low yield nukes for this bombers with a bomb drop limit of at least 6 km altitude.
People think the Tornado turns bad, just wait until the MIG25 shows up.
Pretty amusing that the same people moaning about the Tornado are the ones hyped for the MiG-25... it'll make the F.3 look like a Spitfire.
@PhoenixSc yep, and the R40s that thing carried are even worse maneuvering than the AIM54. The 25 is going to get the F104 treatment. It's going to be such a high BR it will get stomped or such a low BR that it won't be very effective but it can't get caught by anything. I reckon between 10-11.0 is where it will sit.
MiG-25 SU-27 and F-15 will be next I think, maybe even the B-52
lmao
No not su 27 and f 15 theyre too advanced! Maybe MiG 25 and Su 24 and F 111!
@@Em_Youl it is possible for the early variants of those jets there all early 4gen jets
@@Em_Youl theyre not adding the f15c and later su-27 models off the bat
@@Em_Youl dude the F-15 is the foxbats counter.....
Mig31 with KH58 anti radiation missiles to give it a point and more meta useable
MIG 25 wouldnt be very meta IMO, it flies to space, accelerates to mach 2.7, hit's a map border, causing it to lose all its speed, now needing to start over again and having already been spotted trying to dive as a Mach 4 capable missile approaches its location👁👁
Cracked out f104
Woul be fun, mach 3 bomb with Mig-25.
@Lucas Gaiofatto you can't drop bombs from a plane anywhere near Mach 3.
@@InterstellarTaco planes like the f 104 that have the tail above the fuselage dont have a drop speed limit
@ELITE-xn3sh yeah sure. But there is no plane that is dropping bombs anywhere near Mach 3.
I hopw they add MiG 25! They would have to put the max altitude of the maps to 40 000 meters! Because the max altitude a MiG 25 was able to reach 35 000 meters as far as I know!
Altitude maximum increase is needed anyway
Mat, when game conditions shift to BVR at least a micron: MIG 25!!!!
tf you mean it shifted to bvr since the addition of the Tomcat
Really wonder what will Gaijin introduce to counter the foxbat. Would be superb to fly it in top tier sim, but NATO might need something to counter it (F-14 with its phoenixes, perhaps?)
there's already an f-14 though?
i dont think you need a direct counter, the amraams would be enough or even sparrows
an f-15a
F-15 is the MiG-25s counter they scared the west so bad they jumped 2 tech generations ahead of the USSR
@@krukpl1228 Yeah, there is already. I was in fact pondering what aircraft they could've introduced to somehow counter the Foxbat. Idk, F-14 might be good enough. As for AIM-120s, I think the game's not quite ready for those.
If you wanted to do a fair demonstration showing a gun-less BVR jet you’d have chosen the F-104S ASA with the Aspide missiles and I don’t need to tell anyone how bad the F-104S ASA is even before the Apex Predator update
What graphics are u using? filmic?
i do also hope we see the Mig-25 and Mig-31 in the not too distant future they are aircraft i would love to see alongside the rest of the century series fighters the 102 and the 106, i so badly want the Su-24 and F-111 in game as well i would also like to see some more bombers and some of the light attack trainer aircraft like the MB series, the super tacano, the pucara and the amx international amx. im very interested to see what they replace the R2Y2s with maybe japan could get the T-4 or something, IL-40 would be nice same with IL-20, the IL-54 blowlamp would be cool as well as the Su-11 and Su-15 interceptor version ahhhhhh theres so many to list
I’m awaiting the SU27 for USSR and China, and the F-15 for US and Isreal. Or would that still be a far future thing?
The mig25 takes a long time to reach supersonic and had to get high. It’s not gonna work. Early Mig31 yes.
We have the tornado ADV tho haha the mig climbs better and even tho the radar is worse on the range with "only" 100km's the missiles would be better than the supertemp, so we can have and It would be competitive but only the bigger maps, people tend to overhate the foxbat while we have far worse aircraft in game haha
@@matawg the mig25 cannot turn. it takes a long ass time to take off and needs a long runway. its a big heavy jet. it can only come if it's a fake arcade version. the tornado as crap as it is, is more suited for the game. Do you have any idea how trash the mig25 radar is irl? how much it weighs? lol its missiles will never be on par with supertemps. the R40s are horrible missiles. They will be much worse than aim54s, less maneuverable far less accurate. The Foxbat is a terrible jet that even the Soviet Union rushed to replace and sweep under the rug. I want it to come too, but it's going to be straight garbage.
Give the Tornado F3 and F16 AMRAAM, then if they eventually add Typhoon give that ASRAAM
I guess you want to give AMRAAMs only to chinese one F-16, as only that one could carry them, right?
And I also guess we will need to add R-77 as an alternative for soviet side then.
Think they will add the mig 31 and then the mig 25 will be an event vehicle
It would be dead on arrival just like the tornado adv
Sukhoi 27 and F-15 Eagle
A mach 3.5 high altitude interceptor idk
Say the f15 comes will it be right after the Tom cat in the tree?
After the F4J
@@CODJoma the f4j?
No it’s after the f-4E because that is the line for the heavier Air Force fighters
It would not come after the TomCat because that line is for navy aircraft and the f-15 is air force
@@godofchicken3749 bro I didn’t grind the F4E line at all
2:22 wtf is that red thing
use to think i was looking my mind. i've seen red and blue flashes in his videos and it always confused me
@@jg14gerhard_bar it’s a bug that he has with his drivers. He already mentioned it in a earlier video
Can the ajs 37 come soon it would be so cool. Also fix swedish radar
Why just one engine?
@matawg do you know if the SU27S had thrust vectoring?
It didn’t
I think only the Su-27M (prototype only), Su-27K/Su-33, Su-30SM and Su-35S. But definitely not the Su-27S/P
Why did the sky turn red at minute 2:20?
Weird bug that happens with the driver of amd for some reason, every patch its like that for a while hahaha
@@matawg I didnt notice such a bug with my superior 15 fps integrated graphics🥵😎
i say add teh mig25 and f14b at the same time
F-14B isn't a good enough upgrade, we need the F-14D with the -14B as an event vehicle
It feels illegal to be this early
Do all Versions of MiG 25 have no board cannon?
Yep all
Unfortunately (for players) no. USSR had the specific task of protecting a large airspace (the longest border in the world) from very peaceful NATO (mostly U.S.) aircraft. To block it with ground radars, even with the current level of technology, is a very difficult task, especially when one considers that most of these radars must stand in the Arctic Circle. That is why the Soviet aviation received a number of aircraft that had no analogues in the world at all, and non-Soviet machines of this class stopped developing in the late 50s, with the emergence of intercontinental ballistic missiles. We are talking about high-altitude long-range interceptors. In the USSR, work on this class of aircraft continued because the U.S. had long-range reconnaissance aircraft (U-2 and SR-71), and guns were not needed against them, but it was necessary to get the maximum performance at weight savings. Therefore most of the machines in this class did not have course armament. I personally like the Tu-128, but it certainly will not be in the game ever.
Hi mat
MiG-25 will be strong, because it can outrun most missiles. Phoenix wasnt that strong, look up ka-bot channel regarding some info, it mentions phoenix not sure if in mig-25 videos.
It could fit at 10.3 probably... its not much different than seeing an f104 at 8.7
Any idea about USA getting any Heli near future ? possibly a better hellfire ?
Maybe AH64E later on. Or SH60
we need better hellfires, the russians out range us by like 2.5 miles, apaches ingamae cant touch ka50s and its bs
Maybe the comanche but IDK.
@@gaiofattos2 it won’t solve anything ! people keep asking for comanche and A-111 but in reality those are useless jn game !
Give us AH-64E with Direct fire hellfire and NLOS missile
or AV-8B ii ( better avionic , better CAS capability)
they have some of the earliest hellfires, they need better ones like the L and R
No more migs the U.S needs more speed to compete at this point, warthunder is becoming unbalance with German and Russian speed
Wdym? US currently has in practice the faster aircraft in game, the F-104. Nothing is as untouchable as the F-104
@@LewisB3217 yea, exactly like the MiG-25 will be. Fast with bad armament
Mig 25 is late …… probably the most significant USSR jet historically speaking …….. no good excuse for it’s absence !
Maps still too small for those kind of aircrafts with hypersonic missiles...
we already have hypersonic missile(s)
@@bobbylolp Cant remember none above mach5 in WT maybe the R27ER but still cant remember... im talking about things more like Fox 3 hypersonic,fox 1 the ER is dangerous but not hard to dodge...such as a R33 tho i cant remember if it was hypersonic
EDIT:yeah we badly have hypersonic missiles...just the Magics 530D mach 5.0 and the R27ER mach 5.8...still a hypersonic fox 3 damn would be just too much for those maps...
they could have added it this patch it would have just sucked
Ngl the MiG-25 would be DoA
2:21 wtf was that
mig 25 no longer makes sense to introduce, Yak 141 practical the same
Tbh at some point I could think of a Interceptor update with the Mig 25 or 31 and the Interceptor version of the SR 71
The real question is, can the f-15 come?
It most likely will by the end of the year
@@pepsi2061 Or in the September patch. At this time, too, there are often big innovations.
As it is tradition, Gaijin will add a Russian vehicle with BVR capabilities or strong mid range a2a combat and remove or not add the weapon that would bring balance, and instead will give the evolved form of such META weapon to US air tree.
Naa, maps would need to be way bigger. And as it stands, people can't fly the current aircraft properly. That thing would turn like a whale and really only be good at high an ultra high alt. Unless they plan on making maps bigger mig25 would be pointless
US mains will literally explode if USSR gets anything else before them lol. Lolol
I wouldn't expect the mig25 I would expect the su27 and f15 bro your speculating again lol it wouldn't make sense for another lackluster fighter they will want to shine and really draw the crowd out and they will do it with the r73 and su27 and f15 or even russia getting a new multirole fighter for CAS so I'm not sure about those planes but I wouldn't ever expect the mig25 it's just a step backwards in the game not forwards its way older than the yak141 so why would they go backwards? And release a plane that is 15 years older? Pointless the yaks first flight was in 1987 and the mig25 is way older were talking 1960s so you honestly believe after getting the f16 and mig29 then the yak141 it's an obvious trend of them breaking into every nation with 4th gen aircraft and eventually who knows maybe even 5th gen but within two years you shouldn't expect a mig25 I would expect a f15,su27,mirage4000, hawker Sidley for britian,mig31,Mitsubishi f2,f/a18 hornet. Those are the planes you should be expecting bro what your mentioning I'm sorry doesn't make sense
10:21
Mig25 would be garbage in war thunder , its thrust to weight ratio is horrible and it can't maneuver
Yes cause russia needs more bs
That play style just doesn't sound fun.
BvR isnt fun at all. Top tier will die
Yes it is fun, if you dont like it then play low tiers.
Go play ace combat or cold war era jets, if you have an ounce of what modern jet combat looks like go watch some dcs
The mig 25 Just can fly straight its even worse than the Tornado bot in ruZZian warthunter it will BE OP af of course
Mig 31*