The Rise of 20-Hour Long Flights

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  • Опубликовано: 10 дек 2018
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    Select footage courtesy the AP Archive
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    Cathay Pacific 777 landing shot courtesy PDX Aviation
    a350 landing shot courtesy ZurichAirportSpotter
    UPS footage courtesy UPS
    Singapore Airlines a350 footage courtesy Amsterdam Airport Schiphol and Aviateur European Plane Spotted
    Virgin Atlantic a340 footage courtesy Runway Fun
    Qantas 787 footage courtesy Aviation Insider

Комментарии • 3,7 тыс.

  • @Wendoverproductions
    @Wendoverproductions  5 лет назад +1077

    As I mentioned at the end, I also did a video on the longest duration commercial flight in the world on my other channel, Half as Interesting--a little collaboration with myself. Check that video out here: ruclips.net/video/EDeJKQSyGXI/видео.html

    • @dnlass460
      @dnlass460 5 лет назад +11

      Wendover Productions spacex will make all these flights obsolete!!!!!!

    • @shravan2010
      @shravan2010 5 лет назад +6

      Where is Delhi to San Francisco Air India service ?

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 5 лет назад +4

      June 2017 I was flying back from Thailand on Qatar Airways with a connecting flight in Doha, Qatar. This was right after several other countries closed their airspace to Qatar Airways due to allegations of Qatar’s government supporting terrorism (some say it was Russian manipulation seeding distrust). Of course, this forced our flight WAY out of the usual path and it ended up being longer than the longest commercial route that previously existed. We landed at JFK in New York as planned originally but, rather than restrict them from US airspace, they had imposed restrictions that made the flight even more difficult to bear: No laptops, phones, tablets, handheld electronics, etc were allowed on the flight. My New Nintendo 3DS XL was stolen in Thailand but my 3-month-old Nintendo Switch had to stay in the cargo hold. :( Luckily, their planes are posh and were well equipped for entertainment no matter what seats you have. I feel they were the best airline for this to possibly happen to from a passenger’s perspective. :)

    • @comedyman4896
      @comedyman4896 5 лет назад +7

      Should've been 'the takeoff of 20 hour-long flights'

    • @DeFlekkie
      @DeFlekkie 5 лет назад +4

      Are you planning on making a video about the evolution of air travel in regard to climate change?
      Is the industry going to take a hit because of increased concerns about emissions? And is there a technological advancement ready to answer those concerns?

  • @onemileperhour
    @onemileperhour 5 лет назад +4075

    Can't wait for non stop Newark to Newark flights

    • @Maserati7200
      @Maserati7200 5 лет назад +261

      @MosoGaming/Vlogs it's called paying $17 for waiting at a packed penn station not knowing what platform your train is on til 2 mins before the train leaves, and being trampled by the crowd fighting for a seat

    • @aylyi-huh9355
      @aylyi-huh9355 5 лет назад +21

      @@Maserati7200 +1

    • @MrMilanoLau
      @MrMilanoLau 5 лет назад +15

      A cab can do it better

    • @modrak
      @modrak 5 лет назад +33

      Maserati7200 *flashbacks intensify*

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer 5 лет назад +17

      Has to be west bound in the evening and east bound in the morning :)

  • @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs
    @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs 5 лет назад +4936

    You know it's gonna be a good Wendover video if it has any mention of planes in the title.

    • @yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571
      @yungsteaksauceakalilwasher6571 5 лет назад +15

      The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs woah ur here

    • @JaySliZe
      @JaySliZe 5 лет назад +5

      The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs why have I seen you in so many videos now

    • @jameswilliams1398
      @jameswilliams1398 5 лет назад +12

      The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs you mean, every video?

    • @MattPin
      @MattPin 5 лет назад +4

      lol

    • @Firebolt193
      @Firebolt193 5 лет назад +1

      Iron Armenian is slowly replacing Justin Y as being the guy in every comments section

  • @jerrygundecker743
    @jerrygundecker743 4 года назад +1328

    Do you know what happens to your luggage once you check it in at the desk?
    Neither does British Airways.

    • @mylovesongs2429
      @mylovesongs2429 4 года назад +201

      I like what comedian Gallagher said one time. He said something like "i went to the United Airlines terminal, and said 'i want this piece of luggage to go to New York City, and this other piece of luggage to go to Denver.' The lady at the counter said 'sorry. We can't do that.' I said 'bullshit! You did it yesterday!'"

    • @RL-ue4dz
      @RL-ue4dz 4 года назад +7

      @@mylovesongs2429 hilarious 😂

    • @brazeiar9672
      @brazeiar9672 4 года назад +18

      British airways are pretty good. It's Ryanair you want to worry about.

    • @MrPijus123
      @MrPijus123 3 года назад +43

      @@brazeiar9672 Ryanair taught me just how much stuff I can fit in a carry on bag

    • @Dan-zc7ut
      @Dan-zc7ut 3 года назад +74

      MrPijus123 once Ryanair told me my bag was 0.2 kg over the limit, so I took out my lunch from my bag and ate it right there, in front of them, they promptly apologised and just told me to get on the plane because they were running late, so I didn’t, I kept on eating slowly and made the flight late by 15 minutes.

  • @AngryGingerHorse
    @AngryGingerHorse 4 года назад +1336

    Americans and Europeans: "I flew 12+ hours in economy once, never again!"
    Me, from NZ *cries in 13 hours just to reach Singapore for the next flight*

    • @nehaha_17
      @nehaha_17 4 года назад +19

      SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

    • @annabellem7953
      @annabellem7953 4 года назад +65

      I´m from Europe and I would love to fly longer than 12 hours, but I´m crazy for planes and love flying :D

    • @PapaphobiaPictures
      @PapaphobiaPictures 4 года назад +54

      I dont think Europeans or Americans understand the pain

    • @starchy101
      @starchy101 4 года назад +61

      Tbh I feel so sorry for new Zealanders, everything is so far for y'all

    • @johnharkin5278
      @johnharkin5278 4 года назад +4

      Ive flown LHR to AKL via Changi

  • @durianhead
    @durianhead 5 лет назад +2555

    the rise of approximately 12min long wendover productions videos

    • @jeroenjansen2709
      @jeroenjansen2709 5 лет назад +7

      Happy to see Airbus A350 is the winner

    • @sasshole8121
      @sasshole8121 5 лет назад +10

      What? The Airbust A350 won the 12 min long Wendover Production video? @@jeroenjansen2709

    • @benjaminmcintosh857
      @benjaminmcintosh857 5 лет назад +12

      I'd watch a whole doco

    • @aandwdabest
      @aandwdabest 5 лет назад

      durianhead the rise of approximately 10 minutes long RUclips videos of any kind, in a nutshells

    • @aandwdabest
      @aandwdabest 5 лет назад +1

      Jeroen Jansen Airbus a350 won, but let’s wait and see Boeing 777X

  • @tripel9505
    @tripel9505 5 лет назад +3313

    Imagine being on a plane for 19 hours with your destination being Newark...

    • @FeatheryBird
      @FeatheryBird 5 лет назад +74

      RIMSHOT

    • @StaticImage
      @StaticImage 5 лет назад +13

      *HAHA*

    • @Sol1taireTV
      @Sol1taireTV 5 лет назад +27

      LOL! GREAT COMMENT

    • @james-p
      @james-p 5 лет назад +85

      I've been to Newark. I'd probably shoot myself.

    • @anthonyeaton9049
      @anthonyeaton9049 5 лет назад +39

      This is basically the modern-day, transcontinental version of Fiorello La Guardia's outburst at Newark Airport. (Look up how LaGuardia Airport came to be; it's an exceedingly New York story.) And I love it.

  • @virtualpedestrian3271
    @virtualpedestrian3271 5 лет назад +2528

    You: Sitting for 20 hour without moving
    Blood clot: *it's free real estate*

    • @memegod4433
      @memegod4433 5 лет назад +25

      Oh mi gawd

    • @trash_warden6190
      @trash_warden6190 5 лет назад +166

      You: sitting for 20 hours
      Blood flow: Am I a joke to you?

    • @avada0
      @avada0 5 лет назад +90

      @ThisKid
      They should put bunk beds in these flights. Same amount of people, only lying instead of sitting.

    • @adfure017
      @adfure017 4 года назад +56

      I did the Doha - auckland quite recently and that shit feels in your legs when you finally walk off

    • @Jeremylovy
      @Jeremylovy 4 года назад +32

      Fuck me I did Doha to O'Hare 14 1/2 hours and I was about to lose my shit. Fuck an extra 5 1/2 hours.

  • @moumous87
    @moumous87 4 года назад +482

    “Until north became south”... that’s the start of an epic adventure

    • @ppphhhoooeee
      @ppphhhoooeee 2 года назад +1

      360th like

    • @tonychan8558
      @tonychan8558 2 года назад +2

      Or a trigger for Flat-Earthers! hahahahaha

  • @andersonklein3587
    @andersonklein3587 4 года назад +567

    "Some question whether trouble times are ahead for the industry"
    Yup, isn't it a mad world how you can plan years in advanced, down to the dollar of your fuel cost, and then 2020 happens.

    • @Blex_040
      @Blex_040 Год назад +9

      And then, after you dealt with the difficulties of a worldwide pandemic, almost 2 years later, putin happens...

    • @aditsaini5094
      @aditsaini5094 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@Blex_040and then inflate

    • @EdVonPelt
      @EdVonPelt 7 месяцев назад

      @@aditsaini5094 The aviaton industry is not seeing the crisis. Airbus and Boeing have years of orders backlogged.

  • @JustAnotherGamer014
    @JustAnotherGamer014 5 лет назад +371

    Wendover Productions and Aviation. RUclips’s best love story

  • @prestonage
    @prestonage 2 года назад +145

    2021 update: Quantas does run the non-stop Sydney-London flight and it's flight time is an estimated 23 hours and 20 minutes.

    • @alexiatrani786
      @alexiatrani786 11 месяцев назад +7

      Perth to Rome also runs and is only 16 hours (considering Sydney to Dubai is 14.5) so its huge win

    • @extremelyboiledpotato
      @extremelyboiledpotato 8 месяцев назад

      Qantas does not fly SYD-LHR non-stop yet, but they do fly SYD-LHR with a stop in SIN

  • @GlobalWarmingSkeptic
    @GlobalWarmingSkeptic 4 года назад +912

    "Because people are more sensitive to time than boxes."
    *Amazon Prime has entered the chat*

    • @5star976
      @5star976 4 года назад +10

      GWS 😂😂😂

    • @giveme30dollars
      @giveme30dollars 4 года назад +17

      Now I'm imagining boxes sitting in a passenger seat in an airplane. Thanks

    • @chrisding1976
      @chrisding1976 4 года назад

      William 💀💀💀💀

    • @elijaha773
      @elijaha773 4 года назад

      But what about FedEx overnight delivery?

    • @ppphhhoooeee
      @ppphhhoooeee 2 года назад +1

      680th like

  • @bruh9600
    @bruh9600 4 года назад +310

    2015: cheap oil
    2019: cheap oil
    *coronavirus has entered the chat*
    2020: cheap as a barbie doll that has been tortured

    • @bxcsf9408
      @bxcsf9408 3 года назад +1

      yee

    • @RottingFarmsTV
      @RottingFarmsTV 3 года назад +19

      >airline buys oil
      >Businessman runs over to give them money

    • @phineas7423
      @phineas7423 3 года назад +5

      This video was oddly predictive

    • @rayyansaleh8178
      @rayyansaleh8178 3 года назад

      just been on a $40 dollar delta flight from jfk to mia 😃

    • @fortcrafterbossbehold9027
      @fortcrafterbossbehold9027 2 года назад +2

      Then 2021 with idiotic environmentalism on the loom: pricey oil

  • @kingsofserbiangameplay1623
    @kingsofserbiangameplay1623 5 лет назад +916

    Did you say *Plane?*

    • @DomokosLajos
      @DomokosLajos 5 лет назад +8

      Airbus A380 - 1000
      25.000 Km
      1200 Passenger
      20 hours 20 minutes

    • @KnowNot_Name
      @KnowNot_Name 5 лет назад

      Whispers*
      Did someone say Houston?

    • @snay71
      @snay71 5 лет назад

      so?

    • @willtheprodigy3819
      @willtheprodigy3819 5 лет назад

      Remember when this comment was funny? I don't.

    • @gabe7509
      @gabe7509 5 лет назад

      WillTheProdigy sex 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @DLoza100
    @DLoza100 4 года назад +106

    This feels like a documentary from a long forgotten past of what could've been.

  • @moptim
    @moptim 5 лет назад +244

    This would be horror in economy class.. Just imagine flying this in business class though, I know I would be drunk out of my mind at touchdown

    • @partypoet2012
      @partypoet2012 4 года назад +2

      we need more guys like you when the English invented some sort of prop job they could actually fly across the ocean but by the time they got it to Market all the other airlines had jet engines you could have made a killing in England pitching your advice

    • @bearcubdaycare
      @bearcubdaycare 2 года назад

      A colleague found one of Singapore's ultra long flights tough enough in premium economy.

    • @squeaksquawk4255
      @squeaksquawk4255 Год назад

      @@partypoet2012 Are you reffering to the Bristol Brabazon?

    • @planefan082
      @planefan082 Год назад

      Nah I love ultra-long economy flights

    • @Anon48657
      @Anon48657 Год назад +1

      Some of those flights don’t offer economy class

  • @brunicorn
    @brunicorn 5 лет назад +356

    The rise of neck pillow sales

  • @aaronworsnop
    @aaronworsnop 5 лет назад +512

    7:46 I’m glad you said Kiwi not New Zealandian

    • @RRoxas65
      @RRoxas65 5 лет назад +12

      What? Hahaha!

    • @acchaladka
      @acchaladka 5 лет назад +10

      * New Zed-lian is cool too though.

    • @Prodigious1One
      @Prodigious1One 4 года назад +20

      I say, "New Zealander". LOL.

    • @edsr164
      @edsr164 4 года назад +4

      So was I

    • @jediael9906
      @jediael9906 4 года назад +9

      I mean you're all fake so it doesn't matter

  • @ndv135
    @ndv135 5 лет назад +46

    10:55 I thought that was a picture till the guy walked out of the door.

  • @kerbonaut2059
    @kerbonaut2059 5 лет назад +240

    >uses fuel to carry fuel
    The burden of the Rocket Equation

    • @noonehere4332
      @noonehere4332 4 года назад +17

      Dabbing Kerbonaut Kerbal players know that pain

    • @jazzerson7087
      @jazzerson7087 4 года назад +5

      Hopefully laser propulsion will come into fruition soon enough on both, worry about fuel and amount of weight needed to store fuel will become a thing of the past!

    • @volka2199
      @volka2199 4 года назад +5

      Just slap some SRBs on and you are good. No need for all these fancy calculations and SSTOs.

    • @KandiKlover
      @KandiKlover 3 года назад +2

      At least until you go nuclear.

    • @seraphina985
      @seraphina985 3 года назад +5

      @@jazzerson7087 Laser propulsion is less than ideal inside an atmosphere, the reason for this is the same reason why you see the whole sky lit up during the day and not just a white-hot circle of intense light where the sun is. That being that the atmosphere scatters light passing through it though this is much much worse at lower altitudes where the air is thicker. This would require a much larger sail to pick up enough of the beam but this also increases the thrust needed exponentially as the sail also massively increases air drag which leads to a catch 22. Perhaps it could work with a hybrid scramjet to get the plane up high into the stratosphere before unfurling the sail so a satellite can push it but I am not sure and don't feel like doing the math right now.

  • @jordynchan5103
    @jordynchan5103 5 лет назад +320

    "Until north became south..." Take that, flat-earthers!

    • @boudewijnb
      @boudewijnb 5 лет назад +5

      Jess Chan this would work on that stupid flat earth model too

    • @rafaelalodio5116
      @rafaelalodio5116 5 лет назад +33

      Flat earthers don't really care with facts, nor common sense.

    • @KD-ns1hn
      @KD-ns1hn 5 лет назад +2

      @@boudewijnb uhh how exactly?

    • @benjaminodinakaHOODKIZK
      @benjaminodinakaHOODKIZK 5 лет назад

      BoudewijnB 😂😂😂

    • @SarahScratches
      @SarahScratches 5 лет назад +13

      @@KD-ns1hn Flat-earthers believe that the arctic is in the center of a flat disk-shaped world. So flying over the arctic is no problem.
      Antarctica would be more of a problem in their view.

  • @Eudomac99
    @Eudomac99 5 лет назад +436

    Imagine sitting next to Wendover productions on the Singapore to Newark flight.

    • @SajidKhan-sk1jj
      @SajidKhan-sk1jj 5 лет назад +2

      Ok imagine

    • @CockatooDude
      @CockatooDude 5 лет назад +44

      Best 20 hours ever.

    • @victorang928
      @victorang928 5 лет назад +1

      Fast talker yeah?

    • @Robert-yf1kn
      @Robert-yf1kn 5 лет назад +7

      Imagine if you were sitting there and you had to go to the bathroom to take a shit and on the way to the bathroom you shit in your pants.

    • @joncalon190
      @joncalon190 5 лет назад +6

      @@Robert-yf1kn Can you imagine how uncomfortable you would be if you were one of those types of people who would never use a public bathroom on a 20hr flight? Like seriously, how could you hold it for more than 22+ hours? (factoring in that you can't use an airport washroom either...)

  • @alex2143
    @alex2143 4 года назад +48

    I absolutely love the idea of Emirates etc of using a hub and spike network type of architecture in this way. A single stop isn’t all that terrible, and in order to connect one European city to all of the other cities in its network and vice versa, it only needs one additional flight.

  • @rationalpi6755
    @rationalpi6755 4 года назад +34

    I love how this channel always lists the references unlike many other channels, they make up a lot of facts

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 5 лет назад +239

    Boxes have feelings too!

  • @noname89636
    @noname89636 5 лет назад +28

    I like long, non-stop flights because you don't have to worry about a connecting flight being canceled or delayed. Once you are on your flight you are going to your destination and I like the peace of mind in knowing that.

  • @Dcc357
    @Dcc357 4 года назад +151

    My tailbone would be the only cushion left after just 5 hours.

    • @jack_leinen
      @jack_leinen 4 года назад +7

      Dcc357 mine would be the last cushion after an hour and a half

    • @volka2199
      @volka2199 4 года назад +5

      I thought you wrote Taliban for a second...

    • @raahimhadi4905
      @raahimhadi4905 4 года назад +1

      @@volka2199 bruh..

  • @ejfour15
    @ejfour15 4 года назад +17

    Me: How many airplane and aviation videos will you make?
    Wendover: Yes

  • @stevep5408
    @stevep5408 5 лет назад +76

    Anything nonstop is just a reduction is crap that can go wrong. A lot less chance of lost luggage, delays to make you miss your connecting flight, having to haul your butt through another airport, extra tickets. Just so many reasons to want to avoid hassles.

    • @Zakirbhai786
      @Zakirbhai786 5 лет назад +4

      Steve P exactly

    • @Nebs1
      @Nebs1 5 лет назад +4

      Plus the most dangerous part of flying is takeoff and then landing. Cruising is pretty safe.

  • @XSpImmaLion
    @XSpImmaLion 5 лет назад +136

    I am just thankful that I live in a day an age when someone in brazilian middle class (me and family), could afford to fly twice so far over their lifetimes to the other side of the planet (Japan). This took a decade of savings, and both our routes had flyover stops (first one was Toronto and then via Pacific, the second was in Qatar via Atlantic), but if you think about it, just amazing that it's even possible. We're talking about almost literally, the other side of the planet. Parts of Brazil are the closest to being perfect antipodes of parts of Japan.
    Comparing to how my grandparents and grand grand parents migrated less than 100 years ago from Japan to Brazil, boarding ships that took almost a couple of months to traverse the same distance.... like 50 somethings days to less than 2 including waiting times in the flyover destinations. How the crap. In a single lifetime.
    It also seems that we're reaching peak optimization there. The interests have shifted to making flight cheaper rather than faster, so this is kind of a glorious moment to be alive in history. xD
    Man, it's mindblowing... perhaps someday in the distant future we can travel directly through tunnels bore straight through the planet, or some sort of teleportation device, but until then, I'm not exactly expecting another huge leap in prices going down and speeds going up in such a short period of time...

    • @julosx
      @julosx 5 лет назад +3

      Ironically, a Boeing 707-323C disappeared once during a cargo flight between Tokyo Narita and Rio de Janeiro, in 1979. It just vanished (Varig flight 967). Even worse, for its captain, Gilberto Araujo Da Silva, it was his second near or death in plane driving : he had his first air crash only 6 years before in another 707 that sent ad patres 134 souls.
      Of his last crash, nothing and no-one have ever been found.

    • @charlesferdinand422
      @charlesferdinand422 5 лет назад +7

      Fuck Brazil.

    • @kentokyo
      @kentokyo 5 лет назад +9

      I agree with you completely.
      The world is getting smaller but the earth is still huge.
      I hope one day, there is a non-stop flight connects Tokyo and San Paulo !

    • @kimlau4285
      @kimlau4285 5 лет назад +7

      Mean to say... but your grandparent made a bad decision to immigrant to Brazil. You will become much richer if you were born and raised in Japan. Moreover, spending a decade of saving just to travel to Japan doesn't worth it at all....

    • @LordArioh
      @LordArioh 5 лет назад

      it takes me less than a salary to fly to Japan for a month every year. especially the flight being the cheapest part. EU.

  • @healthdios
    @healthdios 4 года назад +70

    We all miss Concorde: under 3 hours across the Atlantic.....that sounds so last century.

    • @wojciechmuras553
      @wojciechmuras553 2 года назад

      But with its range, any longer route required a ton of refueling stops.

    • @nathanoher4865
      @nathanoher4865 2 года назад

      @@wojciechmuras553 If it were not for the p*ssy US overland supersonic flight ban, much of these concerns would disappear.
      It is simply natural for an industry to evolve as it progresses. The market would demand better service and as such, technology would advance to the point that many problems are eventually solved.
      Imagine if we had companies competing for supersonic aircraft today that are efficient, clean, and comfortable. Elongated Muskrat himself has hypothesized that the US domestic market could have been far more profitable had flights of range 1000-1500 miles been replaced at least in part with supersonic flights.
      If by “last century” you mean normal, I completely agree

    • @henryzhang3961
      @henryzhang3961 2 года назад

      @@nathanoher4865 I heard an argument for the overland ban that really stuck with me; the boom will be audible to tens of thousands, but the plane only carries 100 people; it will be disrupting everyone for the benefit of the richer passengers that can afford it.
      (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_sonic_boom_tests) people apparently aren't affected much by it anyway, but there may be some property damage

    • @nathanoher4865
      @nathanoher4865 2 года назад

      @@henryzhang3961 NASA is developing technology that weakens aircraft sonic booms. These technologies could have been developed earlier had industry been allowed to progress.
      The flights Musk was referring to included cargo. Amazon is, indeed, available to and used by everyone.
      Meanwhile, the fuel inefficiency problem would have been worked on in the same way that subsonic passenger planes are becoming more efficient.

    • @compassioncampaigner728
      @compassioncampaigner728 2 года назад

      Do I recall debris on the runway was the reason for the only Concorde crash? Not the plane's fault?

  • @May-zs7rf
    @May-zs7rf 5 лет назад +9

    It amazes me every time how your channel manages to get me interested in topics like transport economics, when they are about as far from my usual interests as they could be. Thank You and keep up the good work!

  • @liamtahaney713
    @liamtahaney713 5 лет назад +69

    La to Sydney is the longest flight I've been on it was nuts. Can't imagine another 5 hours

    • @ellaturkiewicz333
      @ellaturkiewicz333 4 года назад +3

      Liam Tahaney did brisbane to LA last year myself, absolutely insane

    • @vishalgiraddi5357
      @vishalgiraddi5357 4 года назад +7

      Ask someone who did doha to Auckland....✋✋
      Went nuts sitting for 16 and half hours

    • @usa5893
      @usa5893 Год назад

      Mine wasn’t a flight, but a drive, I drove 18 hours from Bentonville, AR and to Denver, CL.

  • @niceyolk7380
    @niceyolk7380 5 лет назад +828

    Imagine sitting in an economy seat for 20 hours.. LOL

    • @StaticImage
      @StaticImage 5 лет назад +161

      Cyanide pills aren't even included in the price

    • @dijoxx
      @dijoxx 5 лет назад +97

      It can be heaven or hell. Totally depends on the airline.

    • @JarodPlaysGames
      @JarodPlaysGames 5 лет назад +65

      Singapore Airlines only offers premium economy and up on this route

    • @MrRobcher
      @MrRobcher 5 лет назад +14

      Imagine if you are even tall and need leg space to sleep,you practically don't sleep or you take sleeping pills

    • @Tony_P
      @Tony_P 5 лет назад +74

      A380 economy is as good as it gets , generous legroom , seats are comfy and a decent entertainment system. Thats my experience on Qantas and Emirates 16 hour flights

  • @jasongravanis5171
    @jasongravanis5171 5 лет назад +1

    This is one of my favourite videos you've done. Very comprehensive and concise explanation!

  • @stetoomar581
    @stetoomar581 5 лет назад

    Very good job @Wendover! Your videos are super well structured and you could clearly see the amount of good work and passion you guys put in there. I'm looking forward to the next one already!

  • @raiyan3348
    @raiyan3348 5 лет назад +45

    *The only good Wendover Production Videos are the ones with planes in them* - Abraham Lincoln

  • @rigor.m9422
    @rigor.m9422 5 лет назад +32

    Plane related wendover is what keeps me alive

  • @taketimeout2share
    @taketimeout2share 5 лет назад +10

    This video has genuinely educated me. Thank you. I didn't realize that it is cheaper, fuel wise, to stop along the route beyond a certain distance.

  • @deu8894
    @deu8894 5 лет назад +1

    I always enjoy watching videos on this channel. Looking forward to more videos. Keep up the good work

  • @theCodyReeder
    @theCodyReeder 5 лет назад +1998

    Ah straight lines indicating travel over a curved surface. I wonder how long before some flat earther uses this as evidence the earth is actually flat.

    • @declannewton2556
      @declannewton2556 5 лет назад +182

      You can't argue with flat earthers.
      They somehow manage to take contradictory evidence and spin it such in a way it makes them seem correct in their own minds.

    • @SpJrD
      @SpJrD 5 лет назад +24

      Cody'sLab here’s homework for you, if Australia is close to Chile, then how come no “functional” flights for this route? If you search Qantas there’s a flight. However, it’s not functional, all Australia to Chile flights MUST fly to LA and such then head to Chile, this highly support flat earth as Australia and Chile are in opposite to each other in flat earth model.

    • @InfiniteRhombus
      @InfiniteRhombus 5 лет назад +67

      they do, they also use the horizon as evidence that the earth is flat because the curvature of the earth is too great to actually see, which is also fucking stupid.

    • @naturalgamerplaynaturaly
      @naturalgamerplaynaturaly 5 лет назад +2

      super

    • @euphony5552
      @euphony5552 5 лет назад +17

      J It is proven that New Zealand is next to Australia, you can get there in an hour from Melbourne, and air New Zealand has direct flights to it. So no there are functional flights across the pacific.

  • @jarodmorris611
    @jarodmorris611 5 лет назад +23

    My flight instructor now flies for FedEx. He said people are far more concerned with getting their package to arrive on time rather than their mother in law to arrive on time

  • @TheHolyEmerald
    @TheHolyEmerald 4 года назад +55

    We need straight flights from Miami to India or at least China/Japan/Australia/somewhere in East Asia. This is the third most populated state in the USA and there's still only just 3 flights that fly directly from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to Asia. Funny.

    • @ZK-APA
      @ZK-APA 4 года назад +12

      The Holy Emerald the thing with USA-India flights is that since the Middle East airports are so well connected to the bulk of Indian airports that it’s more practical to fly via any middle Eastern airline than India-USA (as only delhi and Mumbai makes sense for any flight to come from USA)

    • @AJ-lh4fp
      @AJ-lh4fp 3 года назад +2

      ZK-APA true but there are already many flights directly from the US to India: San Francisco, New York (including EWR), Chicago, DC, etc. So makes sense to add a direct flight to another city or 2- one in Florida or Texas would be nice

    • @coconutboy8198
      @coconutboy8198 2 года назад

      india has a much lower demand compared to other asian countries for example singapore or china.

  • @Delight101ful
    @Delight101ful 5 лет назад +5

    Every Wendover video about planes makes me want to hop on the next flight out of Los Angeles and see the world.

  • @EJ_Tech
    @EJ_Tech 5 лет назад +196

    A fun fact about the Philippine Airlines' Manila to New York flight:
    Originally that route was served by a 777-300ER with a fuel stop at Vancouver. With the arrival of PAL's order of A350 just this September, that route can now be a completely non-stop service.

    • @spongebobtentacles5393
      @spongebobtentacles5393 5 лет назад +4

      Salamat

    • @peesinyourass
      @peesinyourass 5 лет назад

      But it thoughr that 777 have better range than a350s

    • @kazedcat
      @kazedcat 5 лет назад +7

      @@peesinyourass Well as the video explain the reason is economics. Having a stop over is cheaper. New fuel efficient planes make the economics of non stop flights work.

    • @EJ_Tech
      @EJ_Tech 5 лет назад +35

      777-300ER range: 13,650 km
      A350-900 range: 15,000 km
      MNL to JFK: 13,673 km
      and expect many Filipinos to maximize their baggage allowance with "pasalubong."

    • @leftatedsa
      @leftatedsa 5 лет назад +4

      Bravo Philippine Airlines.

  • @juanpabloramirez1838
    @juanpabloramirez1838 5 лет назад +68

    Yay airplane productions is back.

  • @gingeraroundtheworld9079
    @gingeraroundtheworld9079 5 лет назад

    Super informative video! And what a voice over, not a single blink. Interesting to know some behind the scene things about fuel consumption and load factors on these routes.

  • @ReineDz
    @ReineDz 4 года назад +1

    I really appreciate the work done on this video !

  • @turbojake3457
    @turbojake3457 5 лет назад +165

    Phew I was getting worried we haven’t had a plane vid in 2 months

  • @Robm024
    @Robm024 5 лет назад +126

    finally another planes video

    • @joshuajoe1419
      @joshuajoe1419 5 лет назад +1

      Robert go to half as interesting
      The made a couple recently

  • @coscorrodrift
    @coscorrodrift 5 лет назад

    yo, your videos are always dope like this but i just wanna mention how cool the graphics are, with the foot notes, the lines, the rotating globe... I don't know if it's difficult to do or if it's just two clicks but it looks amazing. And the transition with the 3 noses of budget airlines planes was really cool.

  • @carlhuck7721
    @carlhuck7721 4 года назад +28

    20 hours in coach? JUST SHOOT ME.

  • @thejesuschrist
    @thejesuschrist 5 лет назад +930

    I'd rather sit in economy class for 20 hours, than a donkey for 20 minutes.

    • @RenTheGreat
      @RenTheGreat 5 лет назад +192

      This is a verified jesus lol

    • @sunjamin99
      @sunjamin99 5 лет назад +20

      Is your brother Satan?

    • @eman21_gg76
      @eman21_gg76 5 лет назад +19

      Sup jesus

    • @Admiral_Jezza
      @Admiral_Jezza 5 лет назад +61

      @@RenTheGreat Yep, RUclips verified that he's the actual Jesus.

    • @cowboycat88
      @cowboycat88 5 лет назад +37

      How is Jesus commenting on every video loooool the lord's power is real

  • @BobMcCoy
    @BobMcCoy 5 лет назад +244

    *_Concorde wants to know your location_*

    • @roadrunner6224
      @roadrunner6224 5 лет назад +6

      _Bob McCoy probably not as many people didn’t even want to cram themselves into that tin can on regular bases for a 3 hour flight let alone 9-10 hours

    • @elopeous3285
      @elopeous3285 5 лет назад +9

      Concorde wanted to know your location

    • @Samlee-kz5dk
      @Samlee-kz5dk 5 лет назад +3

      Peter Zwegert that was for price reasons. Only the rich could afford to.

    • @brianxavier8873
      @brianxavier8873 5 лет назад +1

      Lisa Guerrero would confront that concorde

    • @roadrunner6224
      @roadrunner6224 5 лет назад +4

      SaltySteve no it wasn’t there was simply no demand for this type of plane, business travelers prefer to simply spend a night on the plane in much more luxury than to commute more than 6 hours a day in tin can.

  • @frans97
    @frans97 3 года назад +12

    ME: I’ve finally finished planning the itineraries for my 2020 flights.
    Virus: I’m about to end this man’s vacation.

  • @jaydenstrickland9162
    @jaydenstrickland9162 5 лет назад

    Well put together video. Was very impressed by the research put forth into this video.

  • @karlp8484
    @karlp8484 5 лет назад +8

    I think the main reasons why very long non-stop flights are heavily subscribed is that with a two hour layover (typical) it's actually more exhausting because you have to sit or wander around in a terminal. And all the hassle of unboarding and reboarding. Not everyone has lounge access. If the flight basically has BC or PE only (like Singapore) that's a great option.

  • @rayanaltowayan9558
    @rayanaltowayan9558 5 лет назад +298

    *B747 and A380 has left the chat*

  • @thirdofthefourth8738
    @thirdofthefourth8738 3 года назад +3

    I can just sense the excitement in Wendover whenever he flies anywhere. I can imagine he'll know more than most!

  • @lillycham
    @lillycham 5 лет назад +21

    Omg 21hours flight time....i think I've just suffered a panic attack 😂

  • @hazridge
    @hazridge 5 лет назад +830

    Grammar error in the title. "20 Hour-Long Flights" implies there are 20 flights that are each 1 hour long. "20-hour long flights" is what it should say.

    • @markusnl
      @markusnl 5 лет назад +86

      Or 20-Hour-Long Flights?

    • @ChromeColossus
      @ChromeColossus 5 лет назад +18

      Intentionally Left Blank, You are correct.

    • @daryx.langdale
      @daryx.langdale 5 лет назад +18

      I'd be interested in a Wendover video about that topic also.

    • @hazridge
      @hazridge 5 лет назад +10

      @@markusnl I think '20-hour-long flights' is ambiguous

    • @nichts5713
      @nichts5713 5 лет назад +13

      who cares about gramar.

  • @steeltrap3800
    @steeltrap3800 5 лет назад +32

    I live in Aus and I used Cathay for the last 3 trips to EU. Premium economy, which isn't cheap, but still much less than Qantas (which admittedly many say is one of the best PE available) and even Singapore's versions.
    I did BA once, and never again. They were dreadful.
    Unless you're going to London, Qantas really isn't the best option IMO. Even if you are, they are significantly more expensive unless you can get a special rate booking a year or more in advance.
    As for the Perth direct flight, for the vast majority of Aussies Perth itself is 5+ hours to reach, more once you add travel to the airport etc. No reason to do that flight from the East coast, and I'm surprised to see the load rate is as high as you said.
    Interesting stuff.

    • @FrozenDung
      @FrozenDung 2 года назад +1

      I am flying from London Gatwick to Auckland in August, so excited!
      Doha to Auckland sounds like a killer though as that's what I'm going on.
      BA > Doha - Qatar Airways > Auckland

  • @kickbiker7920
    @kickbiker7920 4 года назад

    A very engrossing clip. Worth a sub on this alone. Thank you for posting!

  • @ptuxermann
    @ptuxermann 5 лет назад +45

    Brilliant!

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 5 лет назад +46

    Recently did a trip from Sydney to Istanbul, uncomfortable, but incredible feats of technology

    • @sharnistevens1428
      @sharnistevens1428 5 лет назад +7

      I think these long flights are relatively common for Australians these days. Pop a sleeping tablet and have a sleep, 20 hours feels like a deep 4 hour sleep :)

    • @buraksimsek7264
      @buraksimsek7264 5 лет назад +1

      There is no non-stop flight between Australie and Turkey yet so it doesnt count.

    • @vincesvv
      @vincesvv 5 лет назад +1

      @@buraksimsek7264 ewa

    • @vilitspiipol
      @vilitspiipol 5 лет назад

      @@buraksimsek7264 he didn't say that he flew straight to Istanbul

    • @buraksimsek7264
      @buraksimsek7264 5 лет назад

      @@vilitspiipol I know he didnt, but what he says is random as there is no such flight on that route.

  • @IHATESOOMUCH
    @IHATESOOMUCH 5 лет назад +30

    2:25 The Newark to Singapore flight is actually served six times per week not daily.

    • @KasabianFan44
      @KasabianFan44 4 года назад +5

      So basically daily except Sundays lol

  • @JajaRojas
    @JajaRojas 2 года назад +1

    Living in HK for so long, long haul flights were all I knew, from Kai Tak to Chek Lap Kok, it was all Cathay's L-1011's or 777s. The first regional flight I took was when I was going to a small town in the US, and I loved those Biscoffs Delta served on their E-140s.

  • @Cruelaid
    @Cruelaid 5 лет назад +126

    Can you give those 20hr flights a Doug score?

  • @akhilmaverick96
    @akhilmaverick96 5 лет назад +116

    Just imagine having to sit in economy class in one of these 20 hour flights. This will definitely cause many health risks for passengers and crew members.

    • @seanviper99
      @seanviper99 5 лет назад +1

      What about 14 hour flights like from Sydney to dubai

    • @jessica87au
      @jessica87au 5 лет назад +60

      Redline600 every bloody flight out of Australia is like 14 hours.

    • @wotan20
      @wotan20 5 лет назад +27

      Well Akhil, there are two sets of crew in those flights, as well as a dedicated crew compartment, where they can lay down for a few hours between shifts, so I'm not worrying about them, particularly because they are for the most part young and fit. However passengers are a different story, and that is the point I agree with you. I would be reluctant to let board aging passengers to such a long flight, particularly on economy. The chance to develop potentially lethal or blood-clot induced heart attack, is way too high. I half-joked on another venue, that if I were an airline, I would insist on passengers passing a mandatory medical check-up over a certain age, before I'd let those on board.

    • @asteve4914
      @asteve4914 5 лет назад +8

      jessica87au - cry me a river; I live in New Zealand!! :p

    • @seanviper99
      @seanviper99 5 лет назад

      @@asteve4914 so how long is your flight out of Australia

  • @tirthp1735
    @tirthp1735 5 лет назад +13

    Non-stop from US to North Korea would be the ultimate achievement. :)

  • @tommalfoy8539
    @tommalfoy8539 5 лет назад

    Wow the way you narrate this video is truly incredible! So easy to digest

  • @timclarke105
    @timclarke105 4 года назад +1

    First class information delivered in an articulate and interesting narrative that is easy to comprehend.

  • @ToxicMrSmith
    @ToxicMrSmith 5 лет назад +7

    Just in case you didn't know.
    QANTAS Is Queensland And Northern Territory Air Service.

    • @jconrad8585
      @jconrad8585 4 года назад

      Thanks. I always wondered what the name meant.

    • @mylovesongs2429
      @mylovesongs2429 4 года назад

      Wow! I will sleep better tonight!

  • @Jamie-eh9ud
    @Jamie-eh9ud 5 лет назад

    Great video! thank you for the information±

  • @GB-um8ge
    @GB-um8ge 5 лет назад

    Excellent and accurate presentation!

  • @richcharlesmond
    @richcharlesmond 5 лет назад +21

    This is crazy because I’m flying from Perth to London literally tomorrow.

    • @MsMinoula
      @MsMinoula 5 лет назад +9

      Tell us how it was.

    • @jenda386
      @jenda386 5 лет назад

      Yes, please.

    • @matthewsmith8727
      @matthewsmith8727 5 лет назад +2

      I flew to Perth from London, and hated the flight we upgraded on the way home and it was still horrible

    • @IoOLOoOfficial
      @IoOLOoOfficial 5 лет назад

      @@matthewsmith8727 Not enough sheilas on board eh Matt?

    • @matthewsmith8727
      @matthewsmith8727 5 лет назад +2

      Lian Peled rude staff horrible food just an all round miserable flight

  • @jacksonholbrook7042
    @jacksonholbrook7042 5 лет назад +22

    As an Australian, the issue with the Perth to London one shot flight, is that most travelers live on the east coast, not the west coast, and more often then not you have to either fly to Perth the night before, and fly out the next morning, or fly in in the morning, and not fly out untill that night. So untill we get straight shot's from Melbourne/Sydney it's still a bad system

    • @ashleymalamute
      @ashleymalamute 5 лет назад +2

      QF9 starts in Melbourne, so you can board the flight in Melbourne and it's only a 3 hour transit in Perth.
      Qantas also connects it's other flights from the main capitals to dovetail with the Perth departure.
      The same is true coming home on Qf10

    • @Bra1nSicK
      @Bra1nSicK 5 лет назад +4

      I was thinking the same. Why would Australians choose to do one layover with 4hr and 18hr flight and just not do the layover in Doha or Dubai and make the two flights almost even 10-11hr flights

    • @alexo.1388
      @alexo.1388 5 лет назад

      @eraserhead Exactly. Connecting flights to Sydney are inefficient. It's almost as if these people think they're the center of the world.

  • @RatioPlease
    @RatioPlease 17 дней назад

    Your videos are so engaging, i use them to fall asleep.. while listening to them i lose focus about anything else, hence i fall asleep easily.

  • @sking2173
    @sking2173 5 лет назад +3

    I enjoy this "new" nonstop trend. Every time you stop, it creates a possibility of some form of delay. The less stops, the better .....

  • @funny-video-YouTube-channel
    @funny-video-YouTube-channel 5 лет назад +168

    *Wonderful for travel, if we can afford.*
    Would be fun, if the budget flights would include a 1 day stop-over with a nice bed, instead of flying for 16-30 hours without sleep. Some very smart Chinese airlines do that for very long flights with a stopover in China. Let's see if the others will do it too.

    • @ashleymalamute
      @ashleymalamute 5 лет назад +10

      The midway point on the great circle between Sydney and London is Chongqing. There's no reason why they couldn't have a few hundred cheap rooms or sleeping pods to allow the cattle to rest between the two 10 or so hour flights.

    • @jamessteerforth6027
      @jamessteerforth6027 5 лет назад +13

      @@ashleymalamute Why not spend an extra $100 if they offer you a couple of meals and a tour on a one night stopover? I often wish I could spend a day or so in the countries I pass through. A night in Beijing, the Great Wall and Forbidden City would be a great 24 hour stopover.

    • @mimi-hu4yc
      @mimi-hu4yc 5 лет назад

      yeah they do, but I've just "done that", but checked out 5min later, because I'd rather sleep at the airport than that hotel with only chinese speaking staff and absolutely no plan when they would shuttle you back to the airport or if there's be even one at the time you need. Wasted 3h of my Shanghai overlay, never again.

    • @sampai64
      @sampai64 5 лет назад

      That would be nice 😊

    • @VineFynn
      @VineFynn 5 лет назад +2

      Doesn't sound like a budget flight.

  • @james-p
    @james-p 5 лет назад +40

    At this point (20 hours), I think we're running into the limits of human endurance. The machines can do it, but our bodies hurt.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 4 года назад +6

      *The rise of luxury passenger planes*

    • @rafaelrp07
      @rafaelrp07 4 года назад +10

      We're close to an era where you could cross the globe under a full day period but people still complaining. Our grandfathers were happy enough not dying in a world war or expecting to avoid a nuclear war back then...

    • @JoelJames2
      @JoelJames2 4 года назад

      @@rafaelrp07 And they were approaching an age where things could be electrically powered, and they didn't have to break their backs working on a farm. Your point?

  • @SuperFatcat8
    @SuperFatcat8 5 лет назад

    Love the aviation videos! Keep them coming!

  • @RalfSiegesmund
    @RalfSiegesmund 4 года назад +1

    stimulating and insightful as always.

  • @MQHNATYTC8262
    @MQHNATYTC8262 5 лет назад +5

    5:01 Hey! My *box* complained about the 12-hour-flight!

  • @double4345
    @double4345 5 лет назад +59

    Here’s the plane video . We knew it was comin

  • @Alcatraz-zn4zp
    @Alcatraz-zn4zp 3 года назад +2

    I've almost flown that long. Did Singapore to Los Angeles at the start of 2019 and it there was some headwind, flight ended up lasting 18 hours

  • @aviatormuhammadumair3082
    @aviatormuhammadumair3082 5 лет назад

    your videos are awesome keep up the good work.

  • @damianmatras8568
    @damianmatras8568 5 лет назад +5

    I love Wendover Productions. Your videos are so neatly shown, and easy to visualise. Great sources of information for aero-engineers.

  • @franug
    @franug 5 лет назад +8

    We’re super happy about this development here in Chile. It will always take us forever to get anywhere, so being able to go to Dubai or London in one flight instead of two or three as it used to be is GREAT. I hope we get similar flights to other Asian hubs soon (Narita or HK!). I’ve been flying 12+ hours flights since a teenager so going up to 20 is not much

  • @markleon411
    @markleon411 5 лет назад

    Great video. I have just been looking into taking the Perth to London flight. Wish it was from Sydney. It's another 3 hour domestic flight to Perth.

  • @ymoot
    @ymoot 4 года назад +1

    I love how this video has footage from my home town airport CGN at 6:57

  • @jefsiv
    @jefsiv 5 лет назад +133

    How about this 6,000 miles, non-stop in-country flight?? Takes around 14 hours.
    St. Petersburg ➡️ Vladivostok

    • @JinHuangHello
      @JinHuangHello 5 лет назад +30

      And how will that cost if we drive our fuel-efficient Toyota Corolla?

    • @OninDynamics
      @OninDynamics 5 лет назад +3

      Jin Huang 2 cents

    • @valeriavagapova
      @valeriavagapova 5 лет назад +6

      @No Idol About a week, overnight train to Moscow first and then 6-7 days on another train to Vladivostok

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 5 лет назад +5

      My step brother's Ex-wife took that flight fairly regularly. Her family live on Sakhalin, literally about as far from St. Petersburg as you can get while still being in Russia.

    • @tritran696
      @tritran696 5 лет назад +5

      Kaliningrad to Vladivostok should be an even further domestic flight.

  • @NearCry91
    @NearCry91 5 лет назад +4

    11:16 Nice shot of Newark Liberty International Airport. (Took me way too long to find out what airport it was.)

  • @okidoke4822
    @okidoke4822 4 года назад +1

    At 52, I've done quite a bit of travelling, with my last trip just recently to Thailand, an 8hr trip each way from Melbourne, Australia. Being so far away from a few other destinations that I'd still like to see, I won't be travelling any more via plane until I can afford Business Class at the least because I can't sleep sitting up and my back and knees just ache too much. Once I scored big time flying with Emirates back from Dubai where I had a row of four seats to myself to lie down on, but such things are rare.

  • @lanjian45
    @lanjian45 5 лет назад

    Great video, very informative

  • @davidliu2243
    @davidliu2243 5 лет назад +9

    The moment he said " It uses fuel to carry fuel"
    *Mind blown*

  • @509734
    @509734 5 лет назад +58

    Australia: dangerous as hell wildlife and takes 21 hours to go anywhere else

    • @turbotroll8605
      @turbotroll8605 4 года назад

      Yep, kangaroos in the back yard and crocodiles in the streets. But the real killer in Oz is drop-bears

    • @afc9447
      @afc9447 4 года назад +1

      Nothing more dangerous than Humans.

    • @Brick-Life
      @Brick-Life 4 года назад

      not really i fly China Southern melbourne to Guangzhou every year and its only 9.30 hours

  • @lncognito_Mode
    @lncognito_Mode 8 месяцев назад

    Hey man, great video, super interesting topic! I was wondering when or if you have started audio books to listen on a plane! Thanks.

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 5 лет назад

    Excellent info.