The differences between experienced professionals You make it so smooth and easy I thing this is best way I have tow doors and Frame I will do this way
A real carpenter will hang any door in any way needed. These pre hung doors are for building sites full of odd jobbers . Didn’t you see how far away the final shot was, it was so that you didn’t see the massive gaps around the door and how uneven they are
@Tekagi here's your logical explanation for putting it behind the hinges: the screws are color matching to the hinges, looks better than the drywall screws or green decking screws the carpenter pulls out of his truck
Your work seems to be perfect. I've never seen a door installed using so many shims. That's the way you insure that the installation is perfect. This makes so much sense and deserves so much respect. Kudos.
Looks good. Experience tells me that shimming the top may cause problems if there is settling. I always checked for twist in the jambs. Doors were sometimes warped. I wish the multitool had been around when I was trimming.
Here is some pro tips from a finish carpenter, maybe it’s helpful? Once the door is hung and in place remove middle hinge leaf jam side and behind the leaf put in a 3” good screw like a GRK. That way if painters come behind you & remove the door it’s not a problem of your jam flexing/ moving from hanging / rehanging a door causing hinge sag. You can do the top also if you’re hanging a new door in an old jam and it’s solid core. On pre hungs I use a system called ez hang its fast , simple and never had a call back ! In fact I have come back and removed the old wall where the ez hangs were & still perfect After several yrs of a Setting of lots of use ! Use a 15ga ! Not a 16 ga to set jams they were made exactly for that in trim carpentry 🔨 because the are way more beefier and thus increasing sheer strength/ sags ! Do not shim behind your hinge ! Rookie move! Those cedar or composite shims will move and crack behind a hinge ! 3/6” above and below if needed 6” down from top & 8”/12” above bottom of door if shimming ! If you do doors buy a door stud ! Or hv a door hang like the one Gary Katz uses ( see his videos). Hope this helps boys & girls !
I go all 3 screws at each hinge, couple extra minutes but well worth it as it prevents future maintenance at the hinges. Those pre hung frames rent the best material so the longer screws is an added step worth the time.
I just hold the jamb where I want it a air nail it , a shot of expanding spray foam to replace the shims , soon I had the entire crew copying this technique . 👍🇨🇦
Fantastic job!! only thing I would mention is I don’t nail through the doorstop until the end in case i need to adjust it. then I use shorter nails on the stop in case something shifts and I need to adjust it in the future.
We nail the shims plumb to the frame (hinge side). Than place the door and nail that side off. Than shim as you need to on the other side. 2” 1/2 - 3” 16 gauge nails and no screws
you really should put a screw through the hinge atleast man... those 16 gauge nails do jack shit when you have 300 pound people leaning on doors and people love slamming doors
You must of been a high end trim guy,, that’s the way we learned how to hang a door correctly! , the only way I do it , feels solid , and becomes part of the house , all around ,,
Well done ! Got a person at my house to install 20 doors and trim , had to remove all doors and install myself bad installer from major store contractor
Same comment as you casing video. A faster way is out there if you think about it. Been hanging doors with out a level for 25 years. The door will tell you when it level and plumb.
Try installing a long screw behind the hinge. Counter sunk of course. That way when the door is removed for painting it will not affect the door frame when put back together and you won’t have to worry if the put the long screw back. 👍
@hausplans yeah. I like the doors in my house to be shut, so when we replaced them all I tilted some of them ever so slightly so they would swing most of the way shut. Same with a sliding door I have covering the laundry room. It self closes slowly.
As a carpenter of 34 years good work I would worry about longer hinge screw, but in saying that it can't hurt,cut packers rite size no need for trimming later on
take it to the next level...triangulate 3 16d galvanized casing nails around each hinge, 1 on top of hinge, 1 below the hinge and 1 in front of hinge. Eliminate all those finish pin nails, those fasteners will sag and fail as a home settles over time. Complete the other jamb side using 2 16d galvanized casing nails where shims are required. This door nailing style will insure decades of solid door install with no door sagging. Yep its labor intensive and more expensive. I installed my exterior and interior doors in this manner for 30 years and never had a callback. I learned from old school finish carpenters who hated doing things twice and hand pounded everything. Pneumatic tools have changed everything including this lost art of solid nailing. There is always 9 ways to skin a cat, so to each his own, no 1 way is right or wrong.
What’s happens if reveal is off on either side of door but it’s plumb level square? I’m gonna set my 3 doors this Monday and wondering. My first doors. Is that just not possible or have you seen this happen? I’m hoping I can set the three doors fairly quickly
Only two things I would add to this is one check the floor for level and two never nail through your shams nail blow your shams this allows you to do fine-tuning later
Only small issue I see. Generally I open the hinge plate for the 2 1/2 inch anchor screw. Because painter is going to remove your screw from the hingle, wrack your frame and the it's your later problem. Flipping the hingle and countersunk screw under the hinge will remain forever. Takes an additional 2 minutes per door, but I never have to return to a job I did.
For the last 52 years. If the pre hung door did not come with casing on one side, then we install casing first on one side then hang the door nailing the casing first. Then shims then the other side casing. We have never used a level. Only because the ceiling might not be level or the adjacent wall the door hits up against. Same out come with way less work.
I use 2 1/2" finish screws, so easy to adjust the shims and you need way less wood filler. A screw is times stronger than brad nails and will not loosen over time.
my dad makes sure he doesn't nail in the door stopper just incase the door is not closing flush. Also when it's painted the stopper will rub if it's to flush on the hinge side. we always leave a bigger reveal. Humidity will also expand it in the future.
Would you plumb the jamb in a wall that leans out of plumb, or just match the wall lean on one side and then make sure the second side was in the same plane as the first side?
Just nail the casing on the hinge side level it and make sure the reveal is the same nail it to the wall and shim the other side at the hinge shim to make reveal right on nob side case the other side and put long screw in each hinge after the fact so much faster probably put up three to your one
What are your thoughts on putting the longer 2 1/2 inch screw that secures the door to the framing behind the hinge plate, so if any future changes to the door, hinges, etc. are required, there is no need to remove the longer screw?
That’s a good idea especially if a painter or someone is going to be removing the hinge. There’s always a chance they won’t get it back the way you had it.
Make sure floor is level Level on floor shim until level mark shim cut that much off jamb where needed ! 3" Screw behind catch! Nail strike before opening door!
Set screws are awesome. Sometimes your in a pinch and don't have set screws that match the existing screws though, i pop the hinge off and set the set screw behind it then reinstall the hinge nobody knows the difference then.
Put screw behind door hinge, that way if anybody removes the hinges they won’t loosen the frame, just sing it in behind the hinge, throw the hinge on and done
The differences between experienced professionals
You make it so smooth and easy I thing this is best way
I have tow doors and Frame I will do this way
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Great job. It's incredible how many carpenters I've met that struggle with hanging prehung doors.
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A real carpenter will hang any door in any way needed. These pre hung doors are for building sites full of odd jobbers . Didn’t you see how far away the final shot was, it was so that you didn’t see the massive gaps around the door and how uneven they are
Good job .. I hung doors for 15 yrs.
I nailed casing to one side
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The long screws should be behind the hinge. Just in case if painters pull out all the screws the jamb is still set.
Proven yet again that the internet knows best👍
@Tekagi Sorry bud, real finish carpenters put the screw in the jamb mortise. You're wrong.
@Tekagi They are carpenters, not scientists. You think they use actual logic?!
@Tekagialways add a screw behind hinge.
@Tekagi here's your logical explanation for putting it behind the hinges: the screws are color matching to the hinges, looks better than the drywall screws or green decking screws the carpenter pulls out of his truck
Perfect install. You even use color matched screws. Absolutely perfect
You do phenomenal work and I too would love to see how you do casings
Thanks 😊
Your work seems to be perfect. I've never seen a door installed using so many shims. That's the way you insure that the installation is perfect. This makes so much sense and deserves so much respect. Kudos.
In Europe we have better doorframes without nails.
I agree
@Carbon_Knuckles but can't own guns 😂
Looks good. Experience tells me that shimming the top may cause problems if there is settling. I always checked for twist in the jambs. Doors were sometimes warped. I wish the multitool had been around when I was trimming.
Good job bout time someone who knows how to hang a pre-hung door... keeping it simple and fast!! Bet this guy can hang 12 per day!
Skills
Thanks 👍
Finally a carpenter who does as I was taught.
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"as taught" 😂😂😂😂
How bout a Real carpenter that does'nt need visible nails or don't need any nails?
Great job 👏🏻 “literally “ you nailed it 😜 lmao😂😂😂 Y’all have a great day!!!😊 don’t forget the little guy in each video please 🙏👋😃👋
Always good to see casings installed.
Here is some pro tips from a finish carpenter, maybe it’s helpful? Once the door is hung and in place remove middle hinge leaf jam side and behind the leaf put in a 3” good screw like a GRK. That way if painters come behind you & remove the door it’s not a problem of your jam flexing/ moving from hanging / rehanging a door causing hinge sag. You can do the top also if you’re hanging a new door in an old jam and it’s solid core.
On pre hungs I use a system called ez hang its fast , simple and never had a call back ! In fact I have come back and removed the old wall where the ez hangs were & still perfect After several yrs of a Setting of lots of use !
Use a 15ga ! Not a 16 ga to set jams they were made exactly for that in trim carpentry 🔨 because the are way more beefier and thus increasing sheer strength/ sags ! Do not shim behind your hinge ! Rookie move! Those cedar or composite shims will move and crack behind a hinge ! 3/6” above and below if needed 6” down from top & 8”/12” above bottom of door if shimming !
If you do doors buy a door stud ! Or hv a door hang like the one Gary Katz uses ( see his videos).
Hope this helps boys & girls !
I go all 3 screws at each hinge, couple extra minutes but well worth it as it prevents future maintenance at the hinges. Those pre hung frames rent the best material so the longer screws is an added step worth the time.
Great job guys no one ever uses enough shims any more. Can't get lazier than trimming one side and relying on the casing to hold the door in place.
I just hold the jamb where I want it a air nail it , a shot of expanding spray foam to replace the shims , soon I had the entire crew copying this technique . 👍🇨🇦
Not enough shims. Break-in artists just loves the way it is done.
It’s an interior door
@@hausplans take care to make it flimsy on interior doors. I get it. The difference is like closing a Benz door vs Lada door.
@@DonnaF-yi4jxwhat are you even on about.
Someone that knows how to hang a freaking door! Also, love that it's not one of those stupid clamshell doors!
Thanks! By clamshell you mean split jam I assume. I hate those doors as well!
That door is not going no where
Fantastic job!! only thing I would mention is I don’t nail through the doorstop until the end in case i need to adjust it. then I use shorter nails on the stop in case something shifts and I need to adjust it in the future.
xi love to see the casing. I can see you did this before and you brought ideas into my life. I hope to be the handyman I have seen on youtube.
We nail the shims plumb to the frame (hinge side). Than place the door and nail that side off. Than shim as you need to on the other side. 2” 1/2 - 3” 16 gauge nails and no screws
you really should put a screw through the hinge atleast man... those 16 gauge nails do jack shit when you have 300 pound people leaning on doors and people love slamming doors
I'd like to see the trim installed.
It’s posted
Holy crap finally somebody doing it the right way 👏
Thanks
Let’s see that casing install!! Great work!!
Coming soon!
Casing install yes! Great work man!
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Very cool!! This was a nice video and explaination. Now I understand how to fix my error!!😊
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Put that 2 1/2 inch screw behind the hinge next to the top hinge hole, and you're golden.
Best description on how to do this. Thank you for sharing. I’m sharing this
Awesome, thank you!
You must of been a high end trim guy,, that’s the way we learned how to hang a door correctly! , the only way I do it , feels solid , and becomes part of the house , all around ,,
Thanks
The only thing I did differently. I used 3" screws everywhere. Because I used solid core doors and solid Casings. The homes are rentals...
Well done ! Got a person at my house to install 20 doors and trim , had to remove all doors and install myself bad installer from major store contractor
Frustrating
Thank you, almighty algorithm for finally giving me part two in smooth brain mode…
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In Sweden we use adjustable screws in the frame. So you can adjust the space between the door and the frame
That would be nice
First thing you have to do is check the level of the floor in case you have to cut one jamb leg so the header is level.
Thanks for this tip! I love when it’s just the tip…
You are just like your sister…
Never cut a jam leg unless you are installing it on a finished floor
It seems so simple but theres so many apartments where you have to careful not to let go when opening the doors so it doesn’t swing into the wall.
True
Because they're apartments. . .
Production on a mass scale tends to mean rushing and subpar quality
It cause the wall isnt plum .the door will swing open or closed by itself which ever way it leaning
@@SonnieRanno-fl5eb It’s not a hard fix with a bubble level and shims, most rentals though don’t take the time to do these things properly.
Same comment as you casing video.
A faster way is out there if you think about it. Been hanging doors with out a level for 25 years. The door will tell you when it level and plumb.
wiggle saw for the win !! good job !
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Try installing a long screw behind the hinge. Counter sunk of course. That way when the door is removed for painting it will not affect the door frame when put back together and you won’t have to worry if the put the long screw back. 👍
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Holy shims batman, $60 HD door. Get er done! Thats all for solid & expensive doors? 😂 In my own opinion😮
Thanks for using the proper shims
You bet
when i first seen that lil saw, i thought it was the useless thing. then i bought one, i use it everyday now!
Same! 👍
Looking great bruh 👌 😎 💪 👍
My favorite part is the multi tool. Got to use one the other day. Cut like butter
They are an amazing tool
how would someone do this without one?
Is good to learn different ways in case rather be steel frame or wood thanks for sharing
Great video! And I would like to see the casing video👍
Thanks, Coming soon!
I personally like a door that shuts by itself.
That means that jamb is leaning in at the top causing the door in the fall short
@hausplans yeah. I like the doors in my house to be shut, so when we replaced them all I tilted some of them ever so slightly so they would swing most of the way shut.
Same with a sliding door I have covering the laundry room. It self closes slowly.
Just like you are supposed to, good job Pro
Great job! Most so-called carpenters have no idea how to properly hang a door.
Thanks! 👍
Beautiful work guy
Thank you kindly
Would love to see the trim work added. Looks great so far
Thanks 👍
Love this you earned a sub ❤
Thanks so much!
You even started on the hinge side like a pro. I’ve seen so many people screw this up.
Perfect job installation A+
Thanks
I have set thousands of doors 99% of them all have casing on one side that makes installing the door so much easier like 100 times easier
I’ve use trim carpenters to do it that way before as well. It’s whatever you’re comfortable with that works for you.
Nice work bro 😎
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Great tutorial installing a prehung door, I would like to see the casing installed though.
Check out the next video in the series we show that as well
yes yes do the frame too bro,it looks grrrrreat
As a carpenter of 34 years good work I would worry about longer hinge screw, but in saying that it can't hurt,cut packers rite size no need for trimming later on
Smart
Thank you so much for this video
😊👍
Clean work 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks
take it to the next level...triangulate 3 16d galvanized casing nails around each hinge, 1 on top of hinge, 1 below the hinge and 1 in front of hinge. Eliminate all those finish pin nails, those fasteners will sag and fail as a home settles over time. Complete the other jamb side using 2 16d galvanized casing nails where shims are required. This door nailing style will insure decades of solid door install with no door sagging.
Yep its labor intensive and more expensive. I installed my exterior and interior doors in this manner for 30 years and never had a callback.
I learned from old school finish carpenters who hated doing things twice and hand pounded everything. Pneumatic tools have changed everything including this lost art of solid nailing.
There is always 9 ways to skin a cat, so to each his own, no 1 way is right or wrong.
Ohh your such a man . 😂just playing bro you do good work
Thanks 😅
Nice perfectly done
Thanks a lot 😊
What’s happens if reveal is off on either side of door but it’s plumb level square? I’m gonna set my 3 doors this Monday and wondering. My first doors. Is that just not possible or have you seen this happen? I’m hoping I can set the three doors fairly quickly
You are good and did an excellent job.
Thank you very much!
Only two things I would add to this is one check the floor for level and two never nail through your shams nail blow your shams this allows you to do fine-tuning later
Great work keep up videos
Thanks, will do!
Only small issue I see. Generally I open the hinge plate for the 2 1/2 inch anchor screw. Because painter is going to remove your screw from the hingle, wrack your frame and the it's your later problem. Flipping the hingle and countersunk screw under the hinge will remain forever. Takes an additional 2 minutes per door, but I never have to return to a job I did.
For the last 52 years. If the pre hung door did not come with casing on one side, then we install casing first on one side then hang the door nailing the casing first. Then shims then the other side casing. We have never used a level. Only because the ceiling might not be level or the adjacent wall the door hits up against. Same out come with way less work.
I use 2 1/2" finish screws, so easy to adjust the shims and you need way less wood filler. A screw is times stronger than brad nails and will not loosen over time.
That’s not a bad idea
Yes man we want to see it !
You should put long screw like that u should remove all 3 screws put under this way if they have remove hinges or replace door fram stays in intact
That screw in the hinge is so smart.
Painters arch nemesis 😂
Finish nails to install a door that new 👍 nice
Nice work 👍🏻
Thanks ✌️
That's a great job!
Thanks!
Yes with casing sir!
It’s posted
Very good 👍!
Thank you! 👍
my dad makes sure he doesn't nail in the door stopper just incase the door is not closing flush. Also when it's painted the stopper will rub if it's to flush on the hinge side. we always leave a bigger reveal. Humidity will also expand it in the future.
Yes Sir on video of casing installation. Thank you
It’s posted
Would you plumb the jamb in a wall that leans out of plumb, or just match the wall lean on one side and then make sure the second side was in the same plane as the first side?
Nice working
Yes, I want to see the case install
Great job!
Thanks!
Yes casing install👍
It’s posted
Just nail the casing on the hinge side level it and make sure the reveal is the same nail it to the wall and shim the other side at the hinge shim to make reveal right on nob side case the other side and put long screw in each hinge after the fact so much faster probably put up three to your one
Yep sure would like to see the casing
We made a video - it’s posted
Yes would like to see the casing installed
It’s posted
very helpful information
It's fine if you don't live by the river,and if you do hollow core doors aren't going to work
What are your thoughts on putting the longer 2 1/2 inch screw that secures the door to the framing behind the hinge plate, so if any future changes to the door, hinges, etc. are required, there is no need to remove the longer screw?
That’s a good idea especially if a painter or someone is going to be removing the hinge. There’s always a chance they won’t get it back the way you had it.
Make sure floor is level
Level on floor shim until level mark shim cut that much off jamb where needed !
3" Screw behind catch!
Nail strike before opening door!
CASINGS CASINGS CASINGS! You need to finish the install of course. Thanks. Stay safe everyone.
It’s posted
Looks good . Yes . This is how your supposed to do it
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Very good job thanks
Set screws are awesome. Sometimes your in a pinch and don't have set screws that match the existing screws though, i pop the hinge off and set the set screw behind it then reinstall the hinge nobody knows the difference then.
This is possible for the experienced. Much harder for diy to do it this way ?
Put screw behind door hinge, that way if anybody removes the hinges they won’t loosen the frame, just sing it in behind the hinge, throw the hinge on and done
Smart
Thanks Brother, put two split frames in today. Do you like split frames?
I’m not a big fan of slit jambs doors
Me either
Good work
Thanks
You should set the stops separately, after the jams are secured.
What size/type nails in the nail gun are you using to nail the shims? Thanks