ARC PANEL DISCUSSION ｜ Jordan Peterson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, John Anderson, Os Guinness
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- "Western Civilisation is a cut flower, and cut flowers die... but we have the remnants, the symbols of Western heritage, and their seeds. All we have to do, those of us who inherited it, is to go and see them, grow them, nurture them, water them".
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00:00 - 2:09 Introduction & Os Guinness: The Nature of Narrative
2:10 - 8:04 Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Adopting a Civilisation
8:05 - 12:12 John Anderson: Why do we have a sense of lostness?
12:13 - 27:14 How should we interpret the discourse of Power and Oppression?
27:14 - 35:09 Our Relationship to the Transcendent Good
35:10 - 44:02 John Anderson: The danger of making government God
44:03 - 49:29 Ayaan’s closing remarks
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A panel discussion with Jordan Peterson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, John Anderson, and Os Guinness on identifying the problem of cultural decay as well as the way forwards.
ARC RESEARCH: The Alliance for Responsible Citizenship has also published several research papers that accompanied the 2023 Conference. If you’d like to go deeper into the ideas from the conference, please read our research papers here: www.arc-research.org/research...
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a research fellow at Hoover Institution, founder of the AHA Foundation, and host of The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast. Born in Somalia, Ayaan became a member of the Dutch parliament before moving to the USA.
The Hon John Anderson AC FTSE is a former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. He now serves in a broad variety of civic and community pursuits and hosts Australia's pre-eminent politico-cultural video podcast.
Find out more about John's ideas in the accompanying ARC Research paper: www.arc-research.org/research...
Os Guinness is an author and social critic. He holds a DPhil from Oxford University, has been a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and was the lead drafter of The Global Charter of Freedom of Conscience and Religion.
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Ayaan. She is someone I truly admire. Great debate with great minds with real values. Values I support. Thank you.
If your into Secular Humanism and Globalisation
Ps we don’t hold ourselves to our own values we are rank hypocrites
Ayaan is a wonderful example of bravery and intellect.
Bless all of you for such a wonderful discussion. Os Guinness has shaped my thinking more than any other living thinker. Jordan Peterson is becoming a close second. John Anderson is a wonderful human being who hosts a variety of people on his show and gets their voices heard. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a delightful woman with an excellent mind and her closing sentence was perfectly timed. Thank you all for the discussion.
Tremendous panel. Thinking like this will save our civilization.
We certainly hope so!
Are you serious? your super fast belief in what someone preaches to you is why we are in this insane situation to begin with.
Belief without investigation becomes indoctrination
genuine cringe.
@@catharperfect7036Care to suggest an alternative or are you of the view that things are going well in the West?
@@Gorbyrev If you think Jordan Peterson is going to save the world then you need to be on anti-psychotics.
Conversations like this give me hope these days. We need to attend to our heritage properly. Thank you, honourable gentleman and excellent lady, for this conversation. Thank you to everyone who made this event possible. God bless the lot of you.
Diversity is not always our strength.
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Well put!
People who use that slogan, never apply it to people who disagree with them.
True with few exceptions. @@peterwebb8732
To the point of the OP, it is what unites us that gives us our greatest strength. Diversity doesn't do that for us. In moderate amounts it is probably healthy, if there's no diversity we're in trouble, if there is too much diversity we have trouble.
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As a young woman, I consider Ayaan a heroine of mine. I wish she had far more publicity, I wish people gave her the great respect she deserves.
Wow. Ayaan, I always knew you were brave, but this was on a superhero boss level. Amazing.
lovely work John. Im Aussie and follow Mr J Peterson. Now I follow you after listing to you during ARC
One of the most compelling and riveting panel discussions I've ever seen. The knowledge, and wisdom of the panel and their ability to communicate their views on the horrors of history and how that rides into our current times (on a different horse) coupled with their strength to fight against it (Truth to Power) as Oz puts it.
Great Discussion. Thank You for showing such Intellectual Leadership & Bravery.
Thank God for these few
What a treat...great interview 👍🏻👏🏻 John is a national treasure 🤩
Brilliant. I'm a massive Dr Jordan Peterson fan and he's even inspiring me to compose music, as well as having a bit of fun generating some "fan art" featuring this great Canadian psychologist, author and public intellectual. John Anderson comes across so well, an articulate, intelligent man who talks common sense, how Aussies always used to be. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a woman of great courage and many have followed her for a long time now. Os Guinness has impressed me on Dr Peterson's Exodus Bible study series. Loved Ayaan's comment about the cut flower at the end. I despair at our future when I see the numbers coming out to support Hamas and spouting vile anti-Semitism. A recent survey indicated that 81% of British Muslims say they feel Muslim first and British second. In France, however, with its over 8% Muslim population, only 46% say they feel Muslim first and French second. I personally like the way the French system bans the wearing of burkas, hijabs etc. Here in the UK, one local council was recently wasting tax payer's money on a statue which celebrates the wearing of the hijab. I can imagine about how the non-Muslims in that area might feel about this statue, and I daresay there are some Muslim women who are not all that happy about having to cover up all the time. People forget that if you cover up for religious reasons, you will not be able to get enough Vitamin D3 in your system from exposure to sunlight. Britain is not a sunny place for much of the year and one top oncologist has stated that he thinks most of Britain's chronic health problems have their origins in Vitamin D3 deficiency. I take it in high strength doses myself and recommend this to all British people.
47:31 "Now, I can say I am proudly of Judeochristian religion." - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Hallelujah 🙏🏾✝🕎
Good to see Ayaan again; love from the Netherlands!
This has been unbelievably enlightening, What a panel!
In a recent interview with Piers Morgan, Dr. Peterson talked a bit about the impetus behind the formation of ARC, and our necessary courage as well as faith in ourselves to be able to handle anything which comes our way. "Bring it on," he said. "We can handle it." Looking back at all that mankind has accomplished, he's not wrong.
This is so awesome 🙏🏻 Thanks be to God.
Ayaan 💪.....bless you.
Agreed. One of my heroines.
@@OscarLimaMike Mine too.
Can John Anderson become the Prime Minister of Australia?
Theory:-Sure,if he got back into a political party,became it's leader and wins an election.
Reality:- No.
He was deputy PM back in the late 90s and early 2000s
He recently tried to get back in but his own party refused his pre-selection. They don't want him.
I wish❤
HISTORY, HISTORY, HISTORY!
Why is this not taught in schools today.
This particular panel discussion, I believe, is what the ARC wisdom ship is all about. This should be their opening discussion, middle discussion (so after hearing individual speakers, midway thru, you get pulled back to what ARC is about😂)…and the concluding statement…. THIS panel discussion! It was brilliant, 4 wise thinkers for western civilization, told in a way everyone can follow, JP did a wonderful job keeping the discussion on a laser beam course of what , I think, are the talking points for ARC. Onward and Upward ARC!❤❤❤ (These 4 wise speakers are ALL seasoned captains on the ARC!!)
Sounded just as good on second listen. Thank you.
Thank you so much John for being on this panel. Watch John's full keynote speech from the ARC Conference here. Definitely not one to miss, particularly for all you Aussies: ruclips.net/video/1zMwfgBCqxc/видео.html
I only discovered him today, but I couldn’t move the mouse fast enough toward the subscribe icon. There’s hope left!
Wonderful discussion.
When Antisemitic hate speech, literally calling “for the extermination of Jews” is what passes for a friday sermon. Openly avowed, unchecked and applauded; we have already lost our culture.
For all those who haven't seen or subscribe to the alliance for Responsible citizens check it out. A great start to ARC..... Thankyou Jordan Peterson and all the others involved in bringing this alliance to the world. This (ARC) is what we desperately need. Genuine facts and leadership. Now it is up to us, the public, to do our part. Spread the word, help grow the "Alliance for Responsible Citizenship", and do YOUR part to help bring about a better more positive world for all of humanity. Put an end to the distopian vision offered by the elites of Davos and the WEF gang. Bring individual Freedom and responsibility back to the forefront of a free and prosperous society. Thankyou.
Thank you so very much for this interview ❤
Freedom is to be honest to once self know yourself from where you come from and what is your mission and where you are heading to and what will happen after you leave this life. Nothing is taken for granted every move to do every word you say make no mistake you gonna be hold accountable about it. You got to have a meaning for this life.
Western Political Philosophies Summarised
Left Wing Progressive - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing traditional/religious taboos.
Right Wing Conservative - Maximize freedom & equality by preserving individual rights.
Libertarian - Maximize freedom & equality by severely limiting government.
Communist - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing private property.
Socialist - Maximize freedom & equality by redistributing wealth.
Nationalist - Maximize freedom & equality by prioritizing national/ethnic/racial interests to the exclusion of others.
Anarchist - Maximize freedom & equality by abolishing government.
Transhumanist - Maximize freedom & equality by using technology to re-engineer humanity.
Ultimately, how different are these philosophies? They all believe in the same ends but propose differing means to those ends.
Western political debate never transcends this very limited discourse revolving around how to maximize freedom and equality.
True alternatives are never in the equation.
Right on the spot Ayaan. I, also wasn’t born bred in western came to Australia by marriage and for almost 54 years Australia and may I say America Commonwealth and Canada that, brought me up very well and respectable responsible Christian wife mum grandmother great-grandmother.
That woman makes me proud to be female
Young woman unfortunately are more familiar with the Cardi B's and Lizzo's of today.
I can see the friendship and mutual respect between John and Jordan. It warms my heart.
All my love to you. A new paradigm for the West is needed.
Excellent discussion!
Thank you ma’am. I will endeavor to care/protect such seeds. Thank you, gentlemen. ❤
I can't believe how John just brings up these quotes from our past leaders and presents such a strong case for goodness in leadership. The fact this man has not been Prime Minister is an indictment on our political system. Cometh the hour, cometh the man??
Imagine John and Jacinta in leadership together!!! We would flourish morally again.
FYI many are deleting/unsubscribing to RUclips due to Censorship. Locals & Rumble are excellent 👌
I'm glad that we voted "No thank you" but I'm equally glad that we brought Indigenous issues to the front and center of our discussions. Nothing can sway me and those who understand to abandon the principals of 'Magna-Carta', no matter the weight of compassion to the contrary argument. The very freedom discussed here is the freedom for all that my ancestors died for, died for their fellow man, for the guy next to you in the trench.
Great discussion. A discussion that needs to be taken to every nook and cranny of the democratic world. Lots of important points pointed out by each member. My main takeaway was that I should be seen as a Christian not because of my faith, but because of my behaviour. Another is that we should not compare faith, but how each faith contributes to the whole world and society to make it better.
Thomas Sowell’s “Conflect Of Visions”. The constrained vs unconstrained vision of human beings
Dr Jordan Peterson thanks for this great minds of precious life experience and bringing a candle to the light of civilization
Insightful and inspiring
Wonderful opening comment/observations by John Anderson.
For those who are “Babylon 5” fans, the two superior races to Man each ask a Philosophical question in dealing with Man:
What do you Want.
Who are You.
This is of course the crux of the meaning of life, and is most readily answered through Religion.
Christianity answers: I am made in the Image and Likeness of God and am His Child - that is Who I am, and as like Him, I was created to love God, be Holy as my father is, and to be with Him in Heaven- forever. That is What I want.
Both these concepts or Truths are Noble and worthwhile. Both these concepts or Truths were the basis of Western Civilization, and both concepts or Truths are now being undermined or denied.
I would add that we are called to live our lives in submission to God and behave towards him and others in accordance with Christ's teaching.
Thinking , action needed, or we are all lost.
John Anderson should still be in our Parliament he has so much to he lp our country
Truth, Justice, Peace in that order. You need trurh for justice, and both of them for peace. God gives us a choice to admit guilt, ask for forgiveness, and receive forgiveness. God is the source of all Power, but we choose the our actions or better reactions in the moments.
You are a marvelous group of people!! Thank you all for your work!❤
Truth does not create value, it illuminates value.
What a panel
The most dreadful thing happening associated with "individualism" in my experience is how the church is being wielded to make it selfish and even unChristian, which it most certainly isn't. But try convincing some congregations, some pastors, of that. People today are the fruit of that failure of education to teach kids the substrates of civilized thought. Also, "human nature does not change" is ABSOLUTELY central to the conservative position. It's why Christianity so comports with conservatism in politics. It's the Christian position. That said, it's been astonishing to me to see how many liberal writers of scripts for movies and TV somehow know this is the right perspective - the film Serenity comes to mind, actors like Viggo Mortensen playing Aragorn but not believing the principles delivered with such conviction - yet don't see what they're saying while telling stories we relate to precisely because this rings true. Also, Anderson pointing out the problem/question for the secularist "How do you actually find a genuine basis for the respect on an equal basis for all citizens even when you disagree with them" - this is how we know we're in a state primed for Hamas-style barbarism: we're seeing progressives in the streets who would boldly and immediately say "you don't." They don't want equal rights. It IS a civilization moment.
Os Guinness! Now you've got my attention.
There'll be more coming!
Probably the most brave lady in the world.
7:20 "That is the story that is not told" Correct. The education system simply refuses to teach history and values, and compare 'stories'.
The age old debate between Aristotle and Plato - the world as it is versus the world one believes one can make if one just has control of all the variables.
Well said John.
Old sport , at least you haven't stoped trying to open your mind and as aside others along your journey. The classical Greeks would be happy with your contribution to make it better.
Brilliant #johnandrews!!!!!!!!!👏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻🙋🏻♀️🇦🇺
JP feels a bit watered down when in larger groups. By himself gives the BEST lectures. Very deep thinker- few can keep up.
Too bad Umberto Eco passed, he would do.
The most compelling question in every human's life is "why was I born?" The culture that answers that with the greatest depth and clarity is the only version worth valuing. Nature can't do eternal life. Not for planets, stars, galaxies or universes so it's a pretty big question. A better after death experience is a gossamer thin and counter-productive response. Nature has produced an intelligent, imaginative and creative entity that is also drawn to courage, resilience, self-improvement and sociability. Hence putting in the effort behind leaving a mark, joining the shoulders of giants, is what needs to become the purpose of every emerging mind. Not the under-achievement, substance abuse and criminality all societies to date seem unable to avoid.
Can’t agree enough and that is a powerful sentiment. Power greed and corruption is the causalities to inequality and tyranny
@@anthonyaubreyadolphus6753 Cheers.
Humans already have both Democracy and Adam Smith's unregulated market 'capitalism' and they continue to refuse to adopt these systems in full. In principle these two are the same thing: one for trading influence (rendered as policy), the other for distributing wealth.
OTOH Safety (in a hostile universe, on a planet not designed with us in mind) weighs heavily on our thinking. But all we can be is the most powerful version of ourselves in a permanent state of competition with reality. Guarded cooperation is our secret weapon.
ps: Ditto Science and Art.
Wonderful discussion. Many responses I could make but just this one. John Anderson's point about making government god (approx min 35) is precisely what the EU has done by adopting Beethoven's Ode to joy from his 9th Symphony as its anthem. In Schiller's words and Beethoven's music mankind is united under God. In the EU the brotherhood of mankind is united under the European Commission, a wholly unelected body that has sole power in the EU to initiate legislation.
Contrast gives clarity.
I work in live production and it drives me absolutely crazy that ARC managed to get this group of impressive minds on the same stage but yet they get absolutely horrible audio from the production team. What a brutal letdown.
Truth matters. In the end it is the bedrock of a free country. Lies have consequences. Chaos ensues. And sometimes heavy financial penalties.""
That is one flamboyant jacket!
I liked JP’s point here about the DOUBLE meaning of Exodus. Not only must me (almost daily)leave whole civilizations behind, but we must (over and over)reevaluate and recommit to a better, more inspired harmony with God/Nature. “Personal responsibility” is incredibly important, YES, but shouldn’t be used to entirely excuse pernicious mechanisms of elite corruption and hoarding.
God is the spirit of every living creature so to serve God is to serve each other and ourselves.
I’m previously unfamiliar with Os Guinness. Very impressive as are the other guests although the discussion here didn’t flow awfully well.
but a cut plant can also grow roots , if it placed in the right soil and moisture. So there is hope
Ayaan Hirsi... a great woman
Great discussion
And the lady is 100% correct in her views !
yeah, not really
I love Ali.
supermarkets have become militarised zones , you walk in and the first thing you see is half a dozen security guards , you never see the managers or supervisors anymore , just a totally unpleasant experience. a sign of the times.
Great to hear this debate. John Anderson proud of your words here. Re the yes/no Australian decision- how wonderful it would be if Israel/Palestine was not split but the peoples of all origin and religion living there agreed it was better to be ONE together - working for a greater good with a healthy education and work ethic and morality- not brutal and not barbaric.
I applaud all on the panel and JP. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Freedom is not to do what you like it is the freedom to do what you ought 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤️❤️
Love Ali
When is the last time a new human trait/characteristic, either positive or negative, was discovered or identified?
About the same time the three basic colors, red, yellow and blue from which all others are derived, were created.
Lots of truth here.
What a remarkable discussion. May the Judaeo Christian roots of our culture be found strong. May they bud and grow.
Scintillatingly wise discussion because the panelists were either Christian or quasi-Christian, and therefore wise, or nearly wise. The essence of what they are saying is that it matters what you think of God. And that is where it falls short of being a truly wise discussion. Because the most important question of all is, 'What does God think of you?'
Her quote on Dawkins is very interesting, there are problems with it but I understand very much what she means. Extending those thoughts: you can think upon what you hate so much that it becomes you.
I'm an atheist and the talk about religion & being responsible to a higher power was ruffling my feathers - but Ayaan's mention of Richard Dawkins (my hero) acting like a Christian, talking like a Christian therefore he IS a Christian struck me right between the eyes. So true, we Westerners have grown up with the bible truths, the Christianised bits anyway, and believing or not believing that an actual physical God exists becomes irrelevant - it's those truths that are important!
1 i don't think we are ready to really fight back
2 i am afraid it is too late (birthrates and in contrast to us, they take their religion very seriously)
We understand why you might feel that way, but we really believe decline is not inevitable. That was the whole point of ARC, we have been fed a hopeless it's-too-late story for far too long. There is still a way upwards and onwards. Take heart.
If we cannot self-correct our understanding without resorting to religion and mythical "higher powers", then we are in serious trouble. Not that we should not accept those human-concocted aspects that propose a tolerant approach to our fellow travelers, but demanding concomitant belief in the supernaturalist "trimmings" has caused enormous strife throughout history. Demanding faith in the absence of evidence is the first step in an inculcated disconnect between facts and logic.
I think the problems we experience as human beings are not due to a belief in a higher power/ Creator but the simple fact that we are all flawed and inherently selfish people
Religion provides a foundation of values, purpose and community in a way that government never could. And regardless of faith or beliefs, those 3 things are needed for everyone to grow up in a healthy way. Well, except for any fundamentalism, which tends to prey on those that don't have those 3 things.
Well said, thank you.
Religion helped build western civilisation in the first place. Sure, by the 17th century came the enlightment, where reason took over from religious power. But religion still plays a role in giving people a stable cutlure to live by.
@@brain1fluff Religion is just another institution and ultimately a political one with rituals.
The values didn't come from the religion they came from the culture.
I love you all
People who call out everything is power will not debate
We did not lose our culture. We foolishly gave it away.
The strong fight the strong to see who can harness the meek to the plough
J,P. has an unusual jacket.
Is it possible JBP can simplify his questions
With God, anything is possible.
They are in Australia UK, and every western’s christian based nations.
Made in image of God , respects life
Actually, if you look at 20th century history, it was the middle east and Palestine in particular, which was disturbed by the west, which imposed the creation of Israel onto that region, without consultation or agreement of the people who were living in Palestine
They have been displaced from their own homes and it still continues
Oh those seeds. As the KGB would say: Seed our weeds, they will grow.
She chose empowerment over victimhood. Hope over despair. And truth over evil deception.
How does god exist in each of us, is perhaps the question? Because being true and truthful is what the highest level is, isn’t it?
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I can associate with what John had to say (and agree; education must be recovered), but the rest was a little to abstract for me, given the glaringly definable attacks on the west; "beating about the bush".
fantastic! congratulations!
It be great if the sound engineer wasn't deaf .So difficult to listen with the feedback on Jordan's mic
John Anderson looks like Steve Martin...