Simon Jordan & Danny Murphy DEBATE If Moises Caicedo's Fee Is An EXCUSE For His Confidence Issues 👀
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- talkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy debate if Chelsea's Moises Caicedeo's confidence struggles are linked to his fee.
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If Marguire and Grealish are £80M and £100M, Caicedo can also proudly claim his price tag
One of those has won everything on the pitch after his transfer…
How? They were both more proven than him when they signed, maguire was a good cb at Leicester for a few seasons and graelish was great for 3 seasons before he went to city, tbh none of them warranted the fee but caicedo deserved that price tag the least
@@TP-pq9xx Nacho has won 6 UCLs with Madrid..Is he the greatest defender of all time? 🤡
@@TP-pq9xx Nacho has won 6 UCLs with Madrid..is he the greatest defender of all time?? 💀
@@eL--RaL Nacho won most of his trophies on the bench. You missed “on the pitch”? It’s only one sentence to read.
I'm a West Ham fan and saw Caceido absolutely eat Rice for breakfast. He's a very talented player.
How many players are actually worth their transfer fee? Very few.
All of Newcastles recent signings sans Tonali...
None bro. No footballer is "worth" 100 million pounds
Good too see Simon back🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
I’m missing Matterface and Crook already😂😂😂
He got comfortable and an understanding to being one of the best midfielders in the league the last half or third of the season. Looking forward to him building upon that.
He was our best player end of last season
‘End’
Lmao
It's true. The narrative around him just tells you how clueless pundits are
He was passing the ball to the opponent at the end of the season
End of season, hahaha, pressure off playing teams already thinking of the Beach.
But the real question is did the Premier league help Man Utd cheat to avoid PSR issues?? 🤔
Utd have money coming out of their ears. I think they're pretty safe in that regard. I'm a Liverpool supporter & I don't mind utd spending huge amounts, because they earn it. It's the citeh & chelski's of this world, who cheat I have a problem with.
@@matthewjamison So much money coming out of their ears that they need 25x allowances to abide by PSR than others.
@anon-zk6iz Utd can balance the books for FFP in a heart beat. By selling players or Stock. The Premier League will know this. So they've gave them warnings to fix their finances within a short time period. I despise them. If I thought they were cheating, I'd be raging.
@@matthewjamison Still does not justify it. Should be same rules for everyone.
@anon-zk6iz You're right dude. After looking into a bit more there, I'm not one bit happy about this.
Lord Elite Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Ask Mudryk if its the transfer fee or the club.
😂😂😂😂😂
They're both right. Fee should not be an excuse because at the end of the day you were worth that fee because of the way you play, so just keep playing the way you play. However, the larger the fee, the more scrutiny you're under and every little mistake that might've been overlooked, is now is maginified.
Most premier league players fees are inflated. Mount went for 60m… Alvarez is going for nearly 90…… you could pretty much half most transfer fees to find the fair value.
He's a perfect example of PL teams paying ridiculous prices for average players.
Ecuadorian here, have seen him play a lot. Hes a good player, works hard, can make a pass. Great tackler.
But hes nowhere near his price tag. Unfair to him
Ecuadorian here, he's useless.
He is plain average, slow and often caught off-positioning. Against Real, he tried to make challenges, not all were great.
He is probably cheaper than Gallagher
@@octville😂
The price tag is not his fault. Inflated, yes, but part of the price is that he was 21, and you’ve conceivably got 12-13 seasons out of him. He will be asked to steal the ball and distribute it fast. Sounds simple but it’s a critical role. He has every chance of being the best midfielder in the league at doing that.
@@AliHussain-fz7pd I like to think I am visionary. I never wanted him when the first bid was made, then came the bidding war.
I saw him at Brighton and it didn’t impress me a bit. The media was doing a great con job hyping his role. Other than making tackles, he is plain average. I watched him play like a schoolboy during Copa America. And my reservation is right so far. He gave away the ball so often that he became the 12th player for the opposing side. My first job if i own the club is to sell him at any price.
Talksport without Simon is nothing imo
This is the perfect encapsulation of this country right now. You have 2 minutes of an ex England international explain what it's like to deal with the pressure of being a footballer playing for one of the biggest clubs in the country and why Caicedo may be having problems doing it and then a guy who sold mobile phones for a living gets to spend 5 minutes explaining why he's wrong.
It's a joke.
Club and price tag all contribute to pressure. There is a compound effect.
Agree with Simon apart from one point. It massivily differs on what state the team / club is in when you join. If you are surrounded by good pros / owner / board, chances are you will overcome . If you are chucked in alone / young / inexperianced your chances become so much smaller. Not all top clubs are well run
Explains Anthony 😂
I agree with Danny here
Simon always spot on
Seems to me this is an example of what Danny Murphy was talking about, big price tags and social media adding pressure to a player, Murphy giving a more sympathetic view, and Simon Jordan giving a harsher opinion, and it's there for the world to see, any struggling player under the circumstances of cost and spotlight listening to Simon might have their struggle extended, mental toughness is required from the players, but it's not as easy as flicking a switch.
I think Caciedo for instance has had his settling in time, and better should be expected of him from now on, the same can be said of Antony, I feel he's got more to prove than Caciedo.
Difference between excuses and explanation.
I am seen a lot of people complain about Caicedo again. Last season towards the end, every Chelsea fan was raving about how good he was and how he’s price tag is justified. Now all of sudden, people got amnesia and are complaining again when the season has not even started. And once the season starts again and he starts playing like he did the second half of last season, i am sure these same individuals will change their minds again. The hypocrisy with some fans lol
I don't remember there being a time where I've ever heard a Chelsea fan say they thought they were getting there moneys worth. He improved a bit from how awful he started. But no one was saying, yeah he was worth the fee.
@@NvrMindm3well I’m a Chelsea fan and I only missed 2 games all season & MC was the 2nd best CDM the business end of the season. He had a spotlight and poor start so the narrative stuck from people who didn’t watch him every game! Same can be said for Nico Jackson
@@rayjaffer7050 no he wasn't. Wasn't even top 5... Plus you weren't saying this at the time...
Caicedo (and Fernandez) problems are that the over inflated transfer fees by Chelsea combined with our own fans in social media creating incredible pressure for very young players. The pressure at Brighton is nothing in compare and allowed him to be relatively free and on the pitch playing open more risky passing when at Chelsea every pass is a critical pass.
‘Be careful what you wish for’ 😂 irooooons
The fee IS relevant.
Even going back as far as Andy Cole, the money paid for him at the time was insane.
He didn't settle for quite a few months and then even the last game of the season against West Ham, he was a major target for
the media after Miclosco had the game of his LIFE.
AT LASTthe real crew is back!!!!
Agree with Danny that the fee has an impact but also agree with Simon that it shouldn’t be used as an excuse.
So you mean price over ability
@@lloydkhambule no, both play a part in how you judge a footballer. Fairly or not, it’s the way it is. If someone costs the club I support 100mill, I’m going to expect/hope for more from them than someone who’s cost significantly less. Do you not agree?
Good to have Jim and Simon. I was getting sick of those other guys.
as a brighton fan he went to chelsea because of more wages and a bigger signing fee.Liverpool offered 100 mill but chelsea wet 115 mill
False
He literally explained why he rejected Liverpool
Caicedo is an incredible player give him two seasons these pundits’ statements will be a joke
Even in a far worse side, the second half of the season, Caicedo was an arguably better player than Rice, only difference was that when Partey or Jorginho came in, he had licence to go forward more and get g/a, compared with Caicedo that had to sit back more and support back line cos defence was leaking goals. Argue amongst yourselves, but that is just the reality of it.
Reality, he says 😂
What, because you said it? 😂
On no planet is he a better player than Rice 😂
Who exactly did chel$ki play in those final few games that you can note as a big win. Bonus points if you can also tell me what Moises did exactly that was so instrumental in said win…
delusion of the highest order
He actually said it was the size of the club as well because expectations are different when he was at Brighton so he could’ve played with less criticism n more confidence but here at Chelsea who is a big club de pressure is bigger and the expectations are higher don’t come here saying like he’s saying he didn’t play well because of de transfer fee alone
Danny is too thoughtful and sincere for Talksport.
Is anybody really worth their price tag? What was paid for him was not his fault. Lots of players are set up to under perform from the start because of their price tag.
History is littered with players from all sports who couldn't handle the pressure of The Big Deal
"if Maguire was free he wouldn't have faced that much scrutiny"... he WOULD! He's been awful for the majority of his time at United. The only difference is that his weak willed managers wouldn't have felt compelled to continually select him ahead of better players. Record transfers are always seen as a hindrance by the media, when in reality it gives shite players a free pass to make as many mistakes as they want and still get selected because the club paid so much money on them that they stick with them rather than write off the lemon they just blew the budget on.
Gawd. Clearly the issue is the club and the dynamic within. After the way they finished last campaign, Chelsea should be in consideration for the top four, considered as a contender for all the domestic trophies. Instead, they are a bloody mess and the shite has all been created by the club's decision makers.
He was confident enough to play one club iff another...
Excuse me? He’s one of the best midfielders in the league since Jan
I mean city paid 100m for grealish 🤷🏾♂️
two things can be true at the same time.
Stats-wise who was better than caicedo last season
Declan Rice has the English media on his side he does the bare minimum and the English media tells us he’s world class. We saw at the Euros he’s not close to being world class. He’s average at best.
What you have smoke?
@@kennievy6864 Rice only shows up against mid table premier league teams like Man United, Chelsea, and Tottenham. He was no where to be found in any of the champions league games or the Euros but Arsenal and some England fans wants him
to be world class so much that they won’t criticize him. Sounes and Kane all called him an average midfielder and all Arsenal fans and some English fans got butt hurt. He got found out in the Euros didn’t even complete a pass in the finals against Spain
Danny ' ill say whatever i think simon is thinking so he agrees with me ' Murphy
Simon "it does and it doesn't" Jordan
43 mil for Salah 😂
Caicedo was nervous from the get go....Mr Caicedo whether you are 5 Naira or 6billion dollars ...whiles you are in chelsea forget the price tag and stop these excuses....these are excuses and from what I am taking you need to be excluded from Pens in a very important game....cos this tour nervousness is exceedingly poor
Harry “do you know who I am” Maguire was just arrogant of his price tag and over rated himself. Now look at him. Maybe if he carried the weight of the price tag he would have kicked on. As for Grealish, I think he should have stayed a big fish in a smaller pond but to be fair you have to be a world class player to shine in that City team. Too early to put Caicedo down, Liverpool saw something in him or they wouldn’t have put up £100+ million. I thought he looked pretty good towards the end of the season.
Anyone who watched Chelsea knows that Caciedo was balling out last season. He was very very good toward the end of the season.
These excuses were never made for United's player
Laughs in Declan Rice
Didn't effect Rice hit the ground running and had a great season for Arsenal that is what the difference us between good and class
Did you watch Rice in the Euros? I'd rather Caicedo because I know he can do what Rice cannot.
@@josephajibowo-wp2rw who looked good at the euros who has ever looked good under southgate...... chelsea have average players they paid well over the odds for and drove the price up bidding against them self
No coverage on Man U cheating PSR?
Because this channel licks the premier Leagues arses! They are part of the agenda
These debates are getting ridiculous because if he went to Chelsea for 10 million, you wouldn’t be having this conversation. Of course the transfer fee is relevant for Caicedo.
Thank god you guys are back 🙏
But yet united offer 35 for Branthwaite 😂😂😂😂.
Doesn't matter how much Chelsea spend on players or go over psr they will just sell club owned buildings to themselves to balance and yet Mr Masters does nothing about it ..
Will it be the same if Evertons possible new owners came in and sold the old ground site to themselves for an alarming price ..
No is the answer
Chelsea's owners are a disgrace and will never be as good as Abromavich
@user-me6ld9fo3t RA was a brilliant owner because he spent big money... That said, he hired Mourinho twice within 10 years and only Mourinho successfully built teams that could win multiple league titles.
Look at all of RA's non-Mourinho signings, and only four stand out: Dave, Kante, Hazard and Courtois.
This shows that despite money, hiring Mourinho was the best money RA ever spent.
@@ExtrovertedFullback RA Was a brilliant owner because he was also a supporter and a huge football fan not the incompetent yank corporation we have now.
@norwoodboy6048 Roman became* a fan after buying the club... It's public knowledge he didn't know who Chelsea were and was going to buy Spurs before learning Chelsea were in the Champions League and Spurs weren't.
Chelsea weren't even in a title race during RA's last five seasons in charge... The new owners are only beginning their third season, and missed out on CL football because Pochettino's Chelsea dropped 11 points at home to the bottom seven Premier League sides.
RA hired Grant to replace Mourinho, he hired Scolari, he hired AVB, he hired Lampard... RA wasted big money on Shevchenko, Torres, Lukaku... RA sanctioned the sale of better youngsters than Gallagher/Mount, namely Salah and KDB.
Emotion is good...but revisionist history is no good.
@@ExtrovertedFullback You also forget to mention the 5 Premier leagues, 5 FA Cups, 3 League cups, 2 Europa Leagues cups, 2 Community Shields, 1 club world cup, 1 UEFA Super club and of course 2 Champion League cups.
Your history is part correct but facts do not have feelings and to ignore them to suit your narrative is also no good.
@norwoodboy6048 I am not ignoring the trophies...that would be like you ignoring facts.
Chelsea won five league titles - Mourinho built the spine of those teams.
FA Cups? Mourinho built the spine of those teams.
League Cups? Mourinho again.
Champions League? Mourinho built the spine of the 2012 team.
Everything from 2017/18 onwards had little Mourinho influence, and that is Chelsea when Chelsea became a cup team... Even this Clearlake squad made two semi-finals and one final.
Still talking about Caicedo🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ how about Rice, Grealish, Maguire, 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ have they justified their price tags? Maybe because they’re local lads🤷🏾♂️.
maybe because rice has justified his price tag? trying to bring race into everything
What about Rice please do share your opinion.
What the f**k are you talking about. Maguire has been the most talked about player in relation to his price tag for the last few years. He has been criticised, booed, stripped of his captaincy, put on the transfer list, talked about in a Ghanian Parliament as a diss. He has been the most criticised player that I can remember. People have only been talking Caicedo very recently.
Rice and Grealish too have been discussed more heavily. You don't know what your talking about.
@@unbiasgaming8523when I raised my opinion I didn’t insult anyone or swore at anyone, so please, thank you. If you know what you are talking about, fair enough, that’s your opinion and I will respect that.
@@lloydkhambule is he worth the money he was bought for?
Liverpool fans: Did someone say Caicedo???
Rent free😂😂
aint worth half of it like enzo ...better than enzo tho
D id not see much of Murphy at the Euros , did he get frozen out for a female celebrity TV presenter or was he on the bench for England waiting for Southgate to squeeze him on for the last few minutes..🤣
Rice is not better than Caicedo
I think if you have a big price tag you need a big ego. Chelsea liverpool both willing to spend over 100m. Go in their knowing your boss, pretend till its natural 😂
Rice is not a better player than Moises. Time will prove this. But Danny you are right, he is not English.
Who boycott liverpool for money ,tell hm to ask the Ukraine messi discounted from temu the same question they both are teammates
He needs better coaches
The fact is, the kid isn’t very good and that’s because he didn’t give himself time to actually learn and grow at Brighton. These young players are so in a rush these days to join big clubs that they forget that they’re really poor footballers. Shame.
Usual waffle from Simon blaming players.
Declain Rice is just avarage player
Is this constructive to criticize Caicedo at the beginning of the season ? Or you need a topic to keep the audience entertained. Caicedo did have a great season at the end.
Why you criticize him maybe because he is not British . Criticize the British players too about their confidence . Let’s talk about Rashford ,grealish or the worst player macguire. They are British so you are careful with what you say . English media always making their own player look as if they are the best players . Premier league is OVERRATED .
Jordan trying to talk without sounding like Jonathan woss is hilarious
He is just an average player who Brighton used at right back towards the end of his time there (that show how dispensable he was in their midfield).
Zero knowledge
You don’t watch football
Load of BS the dude is an average player with most n great season under a good couch in a sh**t team. Rice performed every game for Arsenal. Price has nothing to do with abilities on the pitch.
Chelsea did Liverpool a massive favor by overspending for him. All Reds fans thank you.😂
knew he didnt have it when he choose money over success so stuff him hes made his bed stay in it
I heard he's on alot less at Chelsea than Liverpool offered plus what success did he miss out on only a Mickey mouse cup..
@@tonym1424CL this season ? Wise up !
REESE JAMES IS A OVER HYPE PLAYER
Your poor use of Caps, Poor Grammar, Punctuation and spelling really makes any comment worthless.
Enzo, Caicedo... overrated south American players.
Weak excuse for a weak player.
I have to admit, modern players have loads of excuses for not meeting the standards. From mental health to price tags. Spoiled
Vini absolutely rap3d Cheese James yesterday 😂 I'm sure he'll fake an injury to cool down the shame 😂
Why are you talking about Viniscus Jr? Nothing to do with the video
Because he likes to troll. Every comment @@user-me6ld9fo3t
@eL--RaL The fact you edited the word means you know it's inappropriate and unnecessary, but you just had to get it out of your system, eh?
Whatever age you are, you have some growing up to do... Banter deserves better.
@@ExtrovertedFullback I'm sure you heart wanted to jump out of your chest everytime Vini got the ball 😂😂
Did we watch the same game lol
Liverpool dodged a bullet with that one. Got bossed by teenagers with little or no experience in the League Cup Final.
Caicedo second half of the season has been far better than he put in the first + in the cup final he played 120mins on a yellow after starting many games in a row
@@4.ann.ymany games? Chelsea weren't Europe. They were mostly playing one game a week.
@@4.ann.y you're telling me a 120 million pound player should be bossed by a bunch of kids in a massive game because he'd played a few games and was on a yellow? Chelski fan I presume!?
@@JR-sj1jz Not really because by that point we had the fa cup the pl and carabao cup all to handle not saying are schedule was THAT packed but it wasnt one game a week
@@mattinterweb + 120 mins straight of football and yh im not saying he's the second coming of casemiro or vidal he was disappointing but not a flop
He's absolutely atrocious😂
Finally people with brain cells on the channel again